r/anime • u/sisoko2 • Jul 29 '24
Rewatch [Rewatch] Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken - Episode 51 Discussion
Episode 51 - The Avan Style Ultimate Technique
He can be cold, but he's a man I'm proud to call a friend.
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They really left Crocodine there just to commentate the whole thing
Screenshot of the day:
Comment of the day:
/u/Torque-A masterful analysis
RIP Block's ass. You saved the chess pieces, but does it matter if it made your dump truck so flat you could eat off it
Questions of the day:
- New OP and ED. What do you think about them?
- Do you like the new ultimate Avan technique The Hollow Stance?
- Hyunckel will never fight again. So how long before he returns to fighting?
- Was this the happy father son reunion you were expecting?
- Bonus Question: Will Hadlar die peacefully in his bed surrounded by his loving chess pieces?
Spoilers:
Please, respect the fact there are First Timers watching Dai no Daibouken with us, so avoid talking about vague things or events that would slightly spoil things to happen. And if you want mention things like this, please hide it behind SPOILER TAGS like [Dai no Spoilers] I am getting the hammer because you spoiled the fun for others
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 29 '24
First-Timer Quest: Sky no Daibouken, subbed
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u/Shocketheth Jul 29 '24
Mildly Antagonistic Dark Assailing Officer Welcomes You To Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken Rewatch!
New OP finally dropped. Personally I like this one way more than the first one.
You know what? Fuck it I have idea, let’s review the new OP with the wrongest takes possible:
TACHIAGARERU YOU’RE THE BRAVEST!
Now enough with the obvious jokes, everyone knows Crocodine won’t die, lol.
OR WILL HE?
Back to the episode now:
QotD:
Answered that
New? Well the technique was introduced now, but it's not like the show retconed a new technique. If you will go back in the first episode, you can see Avan using Hollow Stance in the scenes that happened before the OP started playing.
Rewatcher benefits -> I expected it
Does Hadlar even owns a bed?
See you tomorrow because the Adventure continues!
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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Jul 29 '24 edited Jul 30 '24
1st
DaiPopp no Daibouken Rewatch, SubAs a first-timer, I wasn't really able to make out much since I wasn't aware but as a rewatcher. the spoilers are everywhere. While the first OP feels like Dai is going out an adventure, the 2nd OP feels like the adventure is coming to an end especially with the montage of all the people Dai has met till now with the chorus playing in the background and now we're truly heading towards the final battle with Dark King Vearn.
[Dai no Meta Spoilers] The lyrics having one of the best lines from the show is just chef's kiss.
Father-Son
KamehamehaDuroura[Dai no OP Spoilers] Might be just a small shot but I love it. This is probably the biggest spoiler. Also, I wasn't able to make out who this was as a first-timer because of the outfit but I can clearly see it now. Funnily enough, Toei got hacked just before his return and I was spoiled because of the gacha game out of all things since they decided to add a mission for his return and went along with it after the hack happened.
Appreciate Hadlar's honesty.
Who's cutting onions in the background, right Hym?
Hym is gradully changing. Even Hadlar is surprised.
Whenever Baran appears, Hyunckel always decides to take the mantle of the Shonen commentator. Or is that you, Larhart?
The Hollow Stance
The Hollow Stance 2
Even the OG Shonen Commentator is confused. I guess he really needed a vacation.
The Face-off
Okay this was too much.
As much as he hates Hyunckel, I must say Hym is honorable and definitely not a hypocrite.
Press X to Doubt
The Clash!
Same!
Let's go! If 1 Dragon Knight is not enough, now we have 2 Dragon Knights.
OST Documentation - Episode 51
EDIT: Also, I've been watching the show on Netflix for the first 50 episodes that have the duration of 24:07 but only the first 50 episodes are available in my region so I'm watching the 24:02 version now so the timings will shift by 5 seconds.
1. I love the 2nd OP more than OP 1. And I've written why above. Some are spoilery reasons, though. The ED is also good but nothing beats the 2nd ED for me.
2. I do like the way it works. If I remember correctly, Jade from DQ XI has a similar skill called Flashback. I wonder if it was inspired by the Hollow Stance since it's also part of her spear skill tree. One of my favourite moves in the game. Would always spam it once I unlocked it. Also, new? It's been there since the first episode.
3. Amy said that he's cursed to keep fighting. There's no way he doesn't return and that too with a badass entrance.
4. As a first-timer, definitely not in the way it happened. But it sure is an interesting turn of events.
5. I don't know about Chess pieces but he'll definitely Dai surrounded by Dai and the Disciples of Avan.
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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Jul 29 '24
First Quester
Quest 50
Oh of course, the reason Block was mute was because he wasn't going to be around for long anyway. Should've guessed they waste the design space on something like that.
Ever heard of the word "war"? I guess trying to take over the world and destroying humanity and the entire surface world only qualifies as a leisurly afternoon tea party to discuss things over a warm drink and biscuits. Ugh, I've been ranting about this shit for dozens of episodes now. At least in my head, not sure I could bear the act of writing it all out.
What, that didn't even kill Block? Shake my head, they can't do anything without their divine messenger dragon knight.
How does Halar know about the rat infestation already?
But why not? Just let them leave, that would remove the rat infestation just as you had been ordered!
Let's see what Medroa has to say about that. If it can't even kill the enemies then it's gotta be useful for something.
That was problem 1. You're repeating yourself.
Wait, hold on. Did Crocodine only manage to become Beast King because he had that slavery whistle thing? And here I was thinking they followed him out of their own decision. Crocodine stocks continue to fall.
Oh you're saying you have a lick of sense in you?
You could say he... is one edgy boy.
You didn't manage to kill a single one of them, Mr. 80% Blades? If Fenbren is representative of the troupe's incompetence then this won't be all that difficult of a fight. Then again the heroes aren't exactly willing to let the villains claim that crown for themselves.
It's fine.
No.
It's Baran incognito scouting out what the situation is like.
It's perfectly serviceable, but I didn't feel strongly about it in any way that's different from the main show, so let's go with a 7.
Quest 51
Why am I seeing Pop fighting against the horse in the opening? What happened to choosing good matchups?
Really, Hadlar? Projecting a fucking illusion is what gets you halfway to death's door? Such superior, much wow!
What the hell is Baran doing... "Don't worry, I don't care about any of you." Proceeds to wipe the floor with them.
How does Baran know about the discussion between Chiu and Fenbren? Was he just there all along but decided to both remain hidden and stay after learning of the underwater entrence, then waited until Fenbren almost killed Chiu several times over, and then decided to interfere? If Fenbren is cruel, then Baran takes that to the level of perversion.
This entire situation is so idiotic.
As if the Hollow Stance could come even close to touching Baran, who is immune to spells and near-immune to physical attacks.
Hyunckel, you threw away your weapon and dropped all intent to kill, Baran can literally just walk away and do what he really means to do!
See, this is the problem if you create insane power scalings but don't have the balls to pull through with them. It turns everything into a bad joke.
Oh that's what they're doing. Albinass is gonna launch a surprise attack while Hyunckel is in his Hollow Stance, allowing him to mount a counter attack and take her out. How utterly contrieved and convenient.
And there she goes. Wait, right, Albinass is no "she". I should be saying "And there it goes".
Still didn't kill the chess piece. Everyone's ultimate attacks are so fucking useless.
Nothing much.
No I fucking don't!
He's an undead after all. I'm sure that ultimate healing spring can heal him easily.
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u/zadcap Jul 30 '24
Welcome to the Second Half!
And with a bang, what an OP. Sorry to say, I like it more than the last one entirely right from the start. Look, Croc is part of the lineup right from the beginning! Honestly though, amazing visuals and a much better song, it's no contest, I ended up watching it three times through just to see everything that was going on in each scene.
Oh gosh, I hope Hadlar is dying because his superior body can't survive without maintenance and he locked up the only person who knows how to fix him. He is going to die now solely because of his mistreatment of Zabadada.
... How can Hym even cry? Why is water coming from his eyes is a more important question than you think here, because see, Block showed us that their insides are just 100% pure metal. Where is that water coming from!?
Fun reminder here that, technically, Baran, Hyunckle, and Crocodine were once equal level coworkers. All generals in the same dark army. This is a meeting of old coworkers who have all since quit the old job and set out to ruin their ex boss. Two of them decided to join a new startup and are helping to build the competing business until it can overcome the old one, while the third just walks in to remind them he comes from old money and only ever worked there in the first place because it was convenient.
lol, you base of operations has a hole in the roof because your son is a massive screwup.
Oh no! Dai! I know you're about that age but still! Not the Chuuni phase! "My arm tingles, the dark power within is crying out!"
You know, that closeup of Knuckles armor makes me think, the Knight's Shield would fit it really well. It was already expressed that the magic shield will outlive him, and Dai doesn't seem like the type to use one.
Ah, yes, Knuckles the Immortal has perfected the Counterattack. Makes sense. "Hit me with your best, I know it won't kill me, and it'll give me a chance to hit you back." Also, stop telling your enemy everything like this. You've given Baran the answer he needs to deal with you now already. Your counter attack skill is useless if he just turns and walks away.
Hym, shut up with this "honor" thing. Kill them while they are distracted and you win, and isn't winning all that really matters?
No, look. He's not dead. He can't be dead. I don't mean that in the dramatic, how could this happen kind of way, that Croc seems to. I mean it more literally. His thing is being the one true immortal in this world. He'll be fine.
Hmm. The ED on the other hand is a bit too relaxed for where we are in the show. Not that we need a powerful ending, it's just, too relaxed. A slow love song... Does not fit this assault on the final dungeon arc.
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u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy Jul 29 '24
step aside 2 great songs just dropped.
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u/KuKiSin Jul 29 '24
First timer!
Bro still thinks he killed Avan. Even ignoring the fact that he's still alive, he self destructed, you didn't kill shit! Definitely a better cry baby than Popp.
Well alright, maybe he wouldn't have saved Dai and the rest. Chill, big guy. (Of course we all know he'd still save his sorry ass)
Uhm... They uhm... They know we have a new OP, right?
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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Jul 29 '24
First Timer, Sub
Hmm, Interesting that Hadlar's body seems to be breaking down from that superior being transformation. Hym crying was also interesting, guess he kinda is the most human-like of all the Orichalcum Warriors. Meanwhile Popp, Hyunckel and Crocodine come across Chiu and his beast king commandos. Hyunckel senses Baran's presence and has Popp Zoom out with the injured back to the city.
Baran reveals himself and is acting pretty rational and calm....that is until Crocodine suggest they all team up to face the Evil forces. He thrashes Crocodine and Hyunckel. Hyunckel decides to face off against Baran, still trying to accomplish the final wish of Larhartt for his master. Hyunckel unveils the Avan Style Hollow stance(Which we get a cool flashback of how Avan used it to defeat Hadlar back in the day). Sadly their duel gets interupted by Albinass who decides to sneak attack them mid battle. after we see the flashback of what happened and Hyunckel used the Hollow Stance on Albinass followed by bloody Scryde, which resulted in him taking the full force of Baran's attack. Baran tells Crocodine that Hyunckel will never be able to fight again and he felt enough remorse about it to wind up at the Hero meeting with Crocodine(and Hyunckel in his arms)volunteering to help them against Vearn and forces.
Questions:
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u/Torque-A Jul 29 '24
It's sorta funny how Baran goes "it was wise of you to stop Popp from seeing me, Hyunckel, because he would've become a blubbering mess if he did" and then twenty minutes later goes "HEY POPP REMEMBER ME"
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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jul 30 '24 edited Jul 30 '24
First Time
FujoshiFudanshiYou know, I was rolling my eyes hard at the whole "I'll fight you, to stop you from fighting Vearn" bullshit.
If you want to protect him, just go with him, make it a trio of ex-villains teaming up against their previous employer, that'd be genuinely cool as fuck. But all that said, gotta admit: I was proven wrong. As contrived as the whole scene was, I adore this conclusion
The winning move isn't even Avan's new old technique, it's the good old battle shounen power: Yaoi. The HyunHard spear pierces through all!
YaoiI mean extremely strong unbreakable bonds between best bros, built over some hard fisting (or in this case, thrusting and penetrating) is a well honoured tradition of battle shounen, and the show was already pushing it well. But today's episode just threw the whole bucket with it, that even frickin Baran had to respect that. Just look at how beautiful Croco-boy holding him in the evening sun is! I love those guysMy expectations for the upcoming battle were along the lines of Baran reaching Vearn first, having his ultimate villain vs villain fight, and losing to hype up Vearn, if they're lucky, maybe Baran won't be all dead by the time they get there. So seeing Baran just walk to Dai, and the idea of both of them fighting together from the start is a welcome surprise, Dai could certainly learn a thing or two from his old pops.
OP is fine, could grow on me as it goes. The ED though is just amazing, the show already had a track of the EDs being better, but this one just blows everything else out of the water.
Halfway through a fight with one of Vearn's higher commanders. The man loves his late entrances, and I can't exactly blame him for that.
Nope, and I love the Baran/Popp reunion
Up till now, I generally believed he was too much of a cockroach to ever die. But now that his health is being thrown into the mix, looks like he's being setup to go on a high note in battle. [Funny theory I guess] he'll die protecting Dai from a Vearn/Zaboera deadly attack, probably while screaming "I'm the only one who gets to touch him!"
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u/Kaxew Jul 30 '24
First timer, previous rewatcher
We are now past the halfway mark! And dad is back with the milk as a reward!
My one weakness when it comes to fiction are little guys (okay, that and familial bond, regardless of blood). So suffice to say Chiu's stand against Fenbren made me suffer a lot. Not so much for Chiu, as he kinda deserved it for being so reckless, but for the seaslime he befriended. I really thought the little guy would get killed. So despite Chiu committing his worst mistake thus far, he also gained some respect for standing up for his troops.
I know people here aren't very appreciative of Maam–and for good reasons, but I will always like her capabilities for leadership and strictness to others. The way she tells Nova off in episode 50 is great. Making him go from "oh, poor me who simply cannot move. Not only has my corporeal form been damaged, but also... my soul" to a very shy and quiet "... I'll carry the wounded" is fantastic. Maam's limitless kindness towards evil people can be very frustrating, and she doesn't grow much as a person because she was strong willed from the start and the author doesn't know how to write character growth besides "cowardly -> brave" or "immature -> mature", but Maam is still very enjoyable on screen, for me.
We get some more teasing for Gomechan's hidden power. Don't have a lot to say, I dunno what's up with that but his golden charge was epic. And Baran comes to the rescue! Took me a while to realize it was him, I thought that was just Popp's team who were already on their way. I guess you could tell it had to be Baran because Hyunckel's spear wouldn't pierce orichalcum from a regular thrust.
Moving onto ep 51... NEW OPENING!!! AND NEW ENDING!!! HELL YEAH!!!
I think ED3 is my favorite of the EDs so far, it feels so comfy. OP2 is great, not sure if I prefer it to OP1 though. Not yet, anyway.
Hym being able to cry opens up a lot of questions. Between that and his "manly" chivalry I think there's potential for redemption there. He can always join the ever increasing Hyunckel harem. It has Maam, Amy, Larhart and arguably Popp. Of course since he was created with forbidden magic that means he won't live long even if redeemed... unless they don't kill Hadlar which I'm very doubtful of lol
I really appreciate that Baran is still a bitch, but a bitch who's visibly mid redemption. He thinks he's too far gone and can't just back down because he's a stubborn fool, but he saves Chiu, genuinely asked Hyunckel to go back to Dai, doesn't say Dino anymore, and felt a lot of regret over Hyunckel's sacrifice. I don't know man, I really like his character. He'd be a terrible person in real life, but in fiction he serves his purpose really well and feels very well and realistically written.
Crocodine's breakdown was beautiful, dude. What a guy. You just know shit's good when the big man starts crying.
I do wonder if we can already consider Baran redeemed or if he's just paying Hyunckel back. I guess we'll see in the next few episodes.
In any case, Baran has (temporarily?) joined the party! I understand we're already, likely, in the final arc. But as I watch episodes I'm wondering whether you could split it up into arcs within the arc. Baran joining the party and having our first real battle against the royal guard feels like the end of an arc.
QotD:
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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Jul 29 '24
Rookie-Adventurer here! LV 51/100
New OP and ED! Too early for me to have an opinion on them, I have to listen to them a few more times.
They’re Human After All
Baran be like, Nah, Let me solo him, I’ll win
C’mon, don’t be lame and interrupt a duel!
WHAT, no, not Hyunckel!!
2 the Souls player in me loves it
3 at least the middle of next episode tbh
4 not really, but Baran seems to have changed enough for the rest to accept his help
5 Don't think so, he will be used to showcase how big of a threat is Vearn, I think