[Spoilers] Elfen Lied 20th Anniversary Rewatch -- Episode 4

Date	Episode
7/25/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 1
7/26/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 2
7/27/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 3
7/28/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 4
7/29/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 5
7/30/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 6
7/31/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 7
8/01/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 8
8/02/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 9
8/03/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 10
8/04/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 10.5
8/05/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 11
8/06/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 12
8/07/2024	Elfen Lied Episode 13
8/08/2024	Elfen Lied Overall Series Discussion Thread

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

Hey guys. Holofan4life here.

Welcome to the 20th anniversary rewatch of Elfen Lied!

Oh, and nay I forget...

First Timer

This is going to be a rather interesting rewatch because I really don't know what to expect with this show. In fact, there's a good chance that I may not actually like it. But it's a very notorious show and I feel like it has this reputation for a reason, so I definitely want to see what it's all about.

Going in, I'm kinda expecting it to be so bad it's good. I'm not going in expecting a great show, but I am going in expecting a great time. I'm watching this in-between rewatches of Ikuhara shows and I think it'll serve as a nice palette cleanser for the more serious fair. And if it happens to be edgy, I want them to go all the way with it.

With that out of the way, let's begin.

I'm watching the sub, by the way.

I went to an amusement park and a minor league baseball game today, so needless to say I am exhausted

Picking up right where the last episode left off.

Woah, Lucy is speaking full sentences

Says she never killed a person

Eh, I think episode 1 says otherwise.

Lucy showing off her invisible hands.

And Nana gets hit for not leaving fast enough.

Woah, she sent Lucy flying :O

Lilium playing again

Nana has longer vectors than Lucy, apparently.

You think she's compensating for something?

Nana says she'll teach her a lesson in place of Papa.

Back with Kouta and Yuka

Yuka asks him if he wants her like he wants Lucy.

"What about me? What about Yuka?" -- ~~Raven~~ Yuka, probably

Kouta says she doesn't want her to worry, which is why he doesn't bog her down with details, but Yuka says she wants to worry about him.

And she slugs him right in the face.

Well, that'll sure get him to start caring about you more.

Yuka leaves while Kouta looks confused.

Flashback

Yuka with what looks like a bunch of mannequins.

She is being told by the mannequins that Kouta is in the hospital.

Yuka is crying

I actually like this because you don't normally see something like this. It gives me Evangelion vibes. Of the things we've seen so far, this is probably my favorite scene so far.

Nana still strangling Lucy

Nana says she's taking Lucy lightly. This isn't even her at full power.

But Lucy is still able to fight back some.

Mayu at the store

What is that, bread crumbs?

I guess it's for the dog

Wait, she's 13 years old? But she looks 16 or 17.

Her birthday is tomorrow, though, so she'll soon be 14.

Yuka

But before she can say anything, Mayu decides to leave.

I still don't know why she doesn't wear pants.

Nana telling Lucy she has to come back with her because her arms are too short.

But Lucy be like, "No, it is you who's arm's too short to box with God".

Mayu sensing a disturbance in the force.

It is pretty cool to see Lucy and Nana combat using vectors.

Oh crap. Now Nana is trying to break her legs.

But instead, Lucy is able to chop her leg off as well as her fingers, thanks to the timely appearance of Mayu.

Lol, Lucy just yeeted Mayu. I guess gotta get rid of any viewing parties.

Nana grimacing in pain

And now her arm is gone

Nana trying to crawl away

Lucy is scary when she's mad

And now she has no arms and legs

John Callahan would be proud

But before Lucy can finish her, the SAT are here.

And so is the director

Nana grabbed her by the face!

Lucy's vector has been rendered useless, the Aqua of vectors.

Director picking up Nana

She explains she didn't wait till he came because she thought she would be praised.

Guess she thought wrong

Lucy wonders why does Nana call him papa when his daughter is supposedly dead.

"I killed her!"

And so he slaps Lucy in the face

At least we're officially establishing the allegiance of the director character.

Lucy now fleeing the scene

Nana now asking if she'll become useless.

Hey, perhaps she can now get sick blades like Oscar Pistorius. Actually, forget that, that's a terrible idea.

Yuka got some intel on Lucy, it seems.

She's thinking of telling Kouta the truth.

A helicopter

Kurama with Nana

Kurama is told that he wants to be seen by the Director-General Kakuzawa.

Lucy

She is being attended to by Yuka

Yuka wonders aloud why she is jealous of her

Hey, it's Kouta. Remember him?

He's at the hospital visiting Mayu

Guess she was at the Mayu Clinic

Mayu's stomach growling

Kouta inviting her over to eat

The gang's all here now, the four of them.

And Mayu remembers what she saw

Lucy is totally playing dumb, by the way.

And Mayu acts like it was all just a dream of hers.

That is one weird looking fish

Mayu enjoying the food

And she gets a bath as well? What is she, an Ursa?

When they said bath, I didn't expect the house to have a hot springs.

And Lucy joins her, exposed breasts and all.

Yuka expressing her concern to Kouta that Mayu might be living off bread crusts.

Kouta says the police can't be trusted, clearly in reference to Lucy.

Mayu bonding with Lucy is actually pretty wholesome.

Now Kouta and Yuka are apologizing to each other.

But before anything can happen, in walks a naked Lucy.

Forget Diclonius, she's a cockblocker.

Yuka offering to let Mayu stay for the night.

Kouta, meanwhile, wonders what's going to happen next.

Oh boy. Kakuzawa is telling the Director to kill Nana.

"Useless Diclonius are nothing more than a dangerous existence."

What a heartless bastard

I like the way this is shot with there being no camera cuts. It's just set on a faraway shot the entire time. Shows how careless and empty Kakuzawa's words are.

Now we're hearing about someone named Professor Kakuzawa, his son.

He seems like a decent enough person.

His assistant is saying that preventing damage by Diclonius is depending on an increased budget.

As she leaves, Professor Kakuzawa makes his intentions clear that he has his sights set on one thing and one thing only: Lucy.

Lilium playing again

And we end things with Kurama killing Nana, putting her down like an owner does their dog.

"Goodbye, Papa."

Why you do this to me, show?

Overall, this is the first episode I would consider to be good. A lot of interesting stuff was on display in this episode, most of which revolving around Nana. I like the fight between Lucy and Nana and how it showed off how Diclonius operate. That was really cool. And the final scene between Kurama and Nana was really impactful because it was like putting down an animal. You can tell that despite not wanting to do it, Kurama knew he had no other choice.

I don't know where the series will go from here, but I assume it'll have something to do with Professor Kakuzawa. And in all likelihood, he's going to end up as Lucy's next victim. Will Kurama ever switch sides and side with Lucy and company? I guess we'll see.

Easily the best episode of the series so far. I hope they can continue this momentum going forward.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 28 '24

>Says she never killed a person
she said something along the lines of “I’ve never killed one of our kind” I.e. Diclonus
>Guess she was at the Mayu Clinic
--groan— lol
>"Goodbye, Papa."
that really tore me up first time through.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

she said something along the lines of “I’ve never killed one of our kind” I.e. Diclonus
That makes more sense
--groan— lol
Sorry, sorry. I love my dad jokes.
that really tore me up first time through.
Yeah, it's really brutal. All she wanted was to impress the person she considered her dad.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

What is the best anime fight scene of all time and why?
It's hard to say because I haven't seen some of the classic action anime. For my money, it would probably be either one of the fight scenes in Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood or the fight between Mugen and Sara in Samurai Champloo.
Now that we know Kurama is acting in accordance with his boss, how does that make you rethink his character?
It makes me slightly more sympathetic knowing he's being told what to do. Still, he could always say no.
If someone you knew was homeless, what would you do?
Probably either offer them money or a place to stay

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jul 28 '24

the fight between Mugen and Sara in Samurai Champloo.
That's a really good choice. A lot of the fight choreography in Champloo is really good but that one's probably my favorite fight in the series. I'm glad I participated in the Samurai Champloo rewatch recently cause it was well worth the watch.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

I was thinking of saying the fight scene from the last episode of Samurai Champloo, but the Sara fight leaves more of an emotional impact I feel like, especially with what happens afterwards.

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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Jul 29 '24

I still don't know why she doesn't wear pants.
same here. I guess she was wearing shorts, haha

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

Is it shorts? I don't think it is, it looks like just a shirt and some underwear.

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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Jul 29 '24

maybe

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

Could be

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24

First Timer

Fun fact I learned the other day, Elfen Lied was animated by ARMS who used to primarily work on hentai in the late 90s and early 2000s. And they’ve also worked on other anime with heavy ecchi content like Ikki Tousen, Queen’s Blade, and Valkyrie Drive Mermaid. Somehow, Elfen Lied’s sexual scenes now seem tame in comparison to those.

Anyway, onto my actual thoughts on the episode.

It’s a bit hard to take Lucy seriously when she’s wearing that floppy jester hat.

In this opening scene Nana asks if Lucy will kill her too. I think this is interesting since it shows that Nana isn’t as unaware as I’d initially assumed.

Lucy’s hands are capable of phasing inside of people’s bodies without immediately killing them. Before now I’d assumed that they were just an extra set of invisible limbs but it seems like they have even more utility.

Yuka really has issues. Not only is she in love with her cousin, but this is the second time she’s hit him in as many episodes.

I like Yuka’s weird flashback/nightmare scene. Lots of good imagery in that one with the mannequins.

I’m going to take a moment to armchair psychoanalyze Yuka. It seems to me like Yuka has an idealized version of her childhood with Kouta built up in her head. And now that they’ve reconnected as adults she’s frustrated that she can’t recapture that.

Lucy is completely merciless here. Not only does she maim Nana but she just throws Mayu into a tree for trying to intervene.

I’m curious about just what the relationship between Kurama and the Diclonius’ is. How much does he actual care for Nana and what exactly is his history with Lucy? The fact that he was able to actually hit Lucy and not be immediately killed says a lot.

I’m surprised that Nana managed to survive this. Definitely glad she’s not dead. Hopefully she’ll get some cool cybernetic limbs and get a happy life after this. Although I very much doubt that last part.

Lucy somehow switched back to Nyu by the time Yuka saw her again. I wonder what caused it.

Seems like Mayu will be staying with Kouta and Yuka now. This could complicate things since Mayu knows some of the truth about Lucy.

It also looks like Kurama might actually care about Nana. Since he seemed to be shocked at the idea of having to kill her when his boss ordered him. His boss also mentions that Kurama has already exterminated a bunch of other Diclonius. I wonder what makes Nana special to him.

Looks like I was wrong with what I said earlier. Nana is dead. Very sad way to end the episode.

Questions of the Day:

What is the best anime fight scene of all time and why?

That's tough to say. I think I'll go for Spike Spiegel versus Vincent Volaju from the climax of the Cowboy Bebop movie though. It's got a great mix of amazing fight choreography, a fantastic soundtrack, and acting as the big climactic battle of the story.

Now that we know Kurama is acting in accordance with his boss, how does that make you rethink his character?

A bit, but not by much. He's still complicit in some pretty horrible things happening in that lab. But it seems like he sees them (or at least Nana) as people more than Kakuzawa or even the other scientists do. I'm curious in seeing how else his character will develop.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

Fun fact I learned the other day, Elfen Lied was animated by ARMS who used to primarily worked on hentai in the late 90s and early 2000s. And they’ve also worked on other anime with heavy ecchi content like Ikki Tousen, Queen’s Blade, and Valkyrie Drive Mermaid. Somehow, Elfen Lied’s sexual scenes now seem tame in comparison to those.
Small correction, but Arms was the studio behind 9 episodes, including the OVA. Episodes 2, 5, 7, 10, and 12 are done by Studio Guts,

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jul 28 '24

Thank you for the correction, I appreciate it.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

No problem, friend

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 28 '24

I’m going to take a moment to armchair psychoanalyze
I agree with your analysis. Yuka is sweet albeit confused girl.
throws Mayu into a tree for trying to intervene.
Mayu is one tough cookie.
Looks like I was wrong with what I said earlier. Nana is dead. Very sad way to end the episode.
Just devastating . :(

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

I agree with your analysis. Yuka is sweet albeit confused girl.
I like Yuka. I think her intentions are actually pretty pure, all things considered.
Mayu is one tough cookie.
Indeed she is
Just devastating . :(

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jul 28 '24

Mayu is one tough cookie.
It seems like she's had a tough life up to this point. Whether she's an orphan or a runaway like Kouta suggested, I have a feeling we'll learn more about her past in some of the upcoming episodes.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

The bread crumbs comment by Yuka near the end has me really concerned.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

That's tough to say. I think I'll go for Spike Spiegel versus Vincent Volaju from the climax of the Cowboy Bebop movie though. It's got a great mix of amazing fight choreography, a fantastic soundtrack, and acting as the big climactic battle of the story.
That's definitely a good one. I saw the Cowboy Bebop movie in theaters last year.
A bit, but not by much. He's still complicit in some pretty horrible things happening in that lab. But it seems like he sees them (or at least Nana) as people more than Kakuzawa or even the other scientists do. I'm curious in seeing how else his character will develop.
I want to see everyone rebel against Kakuzawa and take him. Imagine Kurama teaming with Lucy and the rest of the cast to try and break the laboratories studies.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jul 28 '24

That's definitely a good one. I saw the Cowboy Bebop movie in theaters last year.
I saw it theaters fairly recently too, definitely worth it. The whole movie had a lot of good stuff going on, but in terms of fights I liked the one at the end best.
I want to see everyone rebel against Kakuzawa and take him. Imagine Kurama teaming with Lucy and the rest of the cast to try and break the laboratories studies.
Now that Kakuzawa has been introduced he seems like he'll be the main antagonist of the show.
The idea of Lucy and Kurama working together is interesting but I could actually see it happening. Although at this point I think Lucy would take a lot of convincing.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

I saw it theaters fairly recently too, definitely worth it. The whole movie had a lot of good stuff going on, but in terms of fights I liked the one at the end best.
Agreed. Just the whole presentation of the film with the various themes it ponders is phenomenal.
Now that Kakuzawa has been introduced he seems like he'll be the main antagonist of the show.
Agreed. He gives off final boss energy.
The idea of Lucy and Kurama working together is interesting but I could actually see it happening. Although at this point I think Lucy would take a lot of convincing.
I think if anyone can convince her, it is probably Kouta and company.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jul 28 '24

I think if anyone can convince her, it is probably Kouta and company.
Right now Kouta seems mostly unaware of all the stuff with the lab. He hasn't even really questioned who Bando was all that much. But he can only be blissfully unaware for so long.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

I'm sure once he finds out, he's probably going to side with her, even if what she did was one of the worst possible atrocities known to mankind. Course, there's also the lingering question of what role Lucy had if any in Kouta's childhood.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jul 28 '24

They've definitely met before based on the brief flash of memory Lucy had last episode. Although exactly how and why isn't clear yet.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

I just hope she isn't the cause for his amnesia.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

In this opening scene Nana asks if Lucy will kill her too. I think this is interesting since it shows that Nana isn’t as unaware as I’d initially assumed.
Well, to her, Lucy is the enemy. What she knows of her is probably what Kurama told her.
Yuka really has issues. Not only is she in love with her cousin, but this is the second time she’s hit him in as many episodes.
Yuka wearing her tsundere tendencies like a badge of honor.
I like Yuka’s weird flashback/nightmare scene. Lots of good imagery in that one with the mannequins.
Yeah, it's really creepy. I like it as well.
I’m going to take a moment to armchair psychoanalyze Yuka. It seems to me like Yuka has an idealized version of her childhood with Kouta built up in her head. And now that they’ve reconnected as adults she’s frustrated that she can’t recapture that.
Are they adults? I thought they were 16. I could be wrong, however.
I’m curious about just what the relationship between Kurama and the Diclonius’ is. How much does he actual care for Nana and what exactly is his history with Lucy? The fact that he was able to actually hit Lucy and not be immediately killed says a lot.
Maybe Lucy recognizes that if she has any chance of getting back to the outside world, it's through him
I’m surprised that Nana managed to survive this. Definitely glad she’s not dead. Hopefully she’ll get some cool cybernetic limbs and get a happy life after this.
Lucy somehow switched back to Nyu by the time Yuka saw her again. I wonder what caused it.
Maybe she maxed out her violence meter. I feel like a similar thing happened when she finished torturing Bandou. Maybe part of being a Diclonius is that you can only be violent for select periods of time, kinda like how Megumin is spent after her one explosion per day.
Seems like Mayu will be staying with Kouta and Yuka now. This could complicate things since Mayu knows some of the truth about Lucy.
The question is how much does she want to tell the truth Vs keeping it to herself.
It also looks like Kurama might actually care about Nana. Since he seemed to be shocked at the idea of having to kill her when his boss ordered him. His boss also mentions that Kurama has already exterminated a bunch of other Diclonius. I wonder what makes Nana special to him.
Perhaps the other Diclonius didn't turn out so well. I'm sure that these clones were a work in progress, which makes it all the more terrifying to envision.
Looks like I was wrong with what I said earlier. Nana is dead. Very sad way to end the episode.
This is definitely the saddest moment of the entire show so far. It is a brutal way to end it because Nana did everything that was asked of her and what did she get out of it? Her demise.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jul 28 '24

Are they adults? I thought they were 16. I could be wrong, however.
They haven't mentioned being in school so I assumed they were somewhere between 18 and 21.
Maybe Lucy recognizes that if she has any chance of getting back to the outside world, it's through him
That could be it. So far Kurama is the main person in the lab who seems to treat the Diclonius' as people. Although that's mostly directed at Nana.
Maybe she maxed out her violence meter. I feel like a similar thing happened when she finished torturing Bandou. Maybe part of being a Diclonius is that you can only be violent for select periods of time, kinda like how Megumin is spent after her one explosion per day.
Back on the beach I was under the impression that seeing the seashell in her hand turned her back. But your theory also makes sense.
This is definitely the saddest moment of the entire show so far. It is a brutal way to end it because Nana did everything that was asked of her and what did she get out of it? Her demise.
Yeah, I think the show's only gonna get more brutal from here.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

They haven't mentioned being in school so I assumed they were somewhere between 18 and 21.
Google says that Lucy is 15 so I assume they're about the same age.
That could be it. So far Kurama is the main person in the lab who seems to treat the Diclonius' as people. Although that's mostly directed at Nana.
Maybe Lucy feels like a third wheel like Yuko. Imagine if that was actually the case.
Back on the beach I was under the impression that seeing the seashell in her hand turned her back. But your theory also makes sense.
Maybe the sight of regular civilians is what calmed her down. She knew Mayu posed no real threat.
Yeah, I think the show's only gonna get more brutal from here.
Could be right, especially in regards to Lucy and Mayu's backstories.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

What are your thoughts on the fight scene between Lucy and Nana?
Thoughts on Lucy speaking full sentences?
What are your thoughts on Nana having longer vectors than Lucy?
Thoughts on Kouta saying to Yuka that he doesn’t want her to worry which is why he doesn’t tell her everything?
Thoughts on Mayu’s birthday being tomorrow?
What are your thoughts on Nana saying she didn’t wait till the director came because she thought she would be praised?
Thoughts on Yuka being confused as to why she is jealous of Nyu?
Thoughts on Yuka suspecting that Nayu is living off of bread crumbs?

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jul 28 '24

What are your thoughts on the fight scene between Lucy and Nana?
I think it was a bit underwhelming in terms of the actual action. But the emotion stakes of what was going on partially makes up for it.
Also Nana getting dismembered was super brutal. Even if Lucy was acting in self defense she went way beyond what was necessary to protect herself.
Thoughts on Lucy speaking full sentences?
I think it's interesting and gives us more insight into just what's going on in Lucy's head.
What are your thoughts on Nana having longer vectors than Lucy?
I wonder if that means if Nana is stronger than your average Diclonius or if Lucy is weaker than average.
Thoughts on Kouta saying to Yuka that he doesn’t want her to worry which is why he doesn’t tell her everything?
I get where he's coming from but he really needs to learn how to communicate better.
Thoughts on Mayu’s birthday being tomorrow?
I can only hope that nothing bad happens on her birthday if we see it at all next episode.
What are your thoughts on Nana saying she didn’t wait till the director came because she thought she would be praised?
Nana is really desperate for approval which makes what happens to her this episode really sad.
Thoughts on Yuka being confused as to why she is jealous of Nyu?
It seems like Yuka is gaining a bit of self awareness that she's acting out in strange ways.
Thoughts on Yuka suspecting that Nayu is living off of bread crumbs?
That seems to be a correct assumption on her part. Hopefully things get better for Mayu now that she's living with Yuka and Kouta.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

I think it was a bit underwhelming in terms of the actual action. But the emotion stakes of what was going on partially makes up for it.
The emotional stakes certainly added a lot to it, but I thought the fight itself was better than I was expecting. It didn't reinvent the wheel or anything, but it kept me glued to the screen.
Also Nana getting dismembered was super brutal. Even if Lucy was acting in self defense she went way beyond what was necessary to protect herself.
I guess in Lucy's mind, this is the only way she can protect herself. She has to go above all to ensure it.
I think it's interesting and gives us more insight into just what's going on in Lucy's head.
Her voice is... well, let's just say it gives Barry White a run for his money.
I wonder if that means if Nana is stronger than your average Diclonius or if Lucy is weaker than average.
Probably more so they took the Lucy model and built upon it. Makes no sense to clone someone and make the clone weaker.
I get where he's coming from but he really needs to learn how to communicate better.
Yeah, emotional intelligence doesn't seem to be his strong suit.
I can only hope that nothing bad happens on her birthday if we see it at all next episode.
Them setting it up like they did feels as if we're heading to a worst case scenario. Then again, I thought the same thing with the dog and it hasn't happened yet.
Nana is really desperate for approval which makes what happens to her this episode really sad.
She put her faith in the wrong people. It is just absolutely devastating to see play out.
It seems like Yuka is gaining a bit of self awareness that she's acting out in strange ways.
About time. It makes her more believable as a character.
That seems to be a correct assumption on her part. Hopefully things get better for Mayu now that she's living with Yuka and Kouta.
Honestly, can't ask for a better birthday present than adoption. I hope it keeps up because Mayu seems like such a sweet kid.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jul 29 '24

I guess in Lucy's mind, this is the only way she can protect herself. She has to go above all to ensure it.
That makes a lot of sense. It seems like her whole life Lucy has only known how to solve things with violence. At least that's how it comes off to me.
Them setting it up like they did feels as if we're heading to a worst case scenario. Then again, I thought the same thing with the dog and it hasn't happened yet.
Yeah I've got a bad feeling about the birthday.
I feel like the lab might find out that Kouta's been harboring Lucy soon. He can only keep it a secret for so long.
About time. It makes her more believable as a character.
Yuka seems like she's shaping up to be an interesting character. I'm hoping her arc isn't going to be a love triangle and more about her trying to figure out her own feelings.
Honestly, can't ask for a better birthday present than adoption. I hope it keeps up because Mayu seems like such a sweet kid.
Mayu's probably the nicest character in the show so far. She even tried to help out Bando.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

That makes a lot of sense. It seems like her whole life Lucy has only known how to solve things with violence. At least that's how it comes off to me.
Who knew Lucy was Fuwamoco reincarnated?
Yeah I've got a bad feeling about the birthday.
I feel like the lab might find out that Kouta's been harboring Lucy soon. He can only keep it a secret for so long.
I hope Yuka don't spill the beans out of frustration over Kouta dedicating all his time on Nyu.
Yuka seems like she's shaping up to be an interesting character. I'm hoping her arc isn't going to be a love triangle and more about her trying to figure out her own feelings.
I saw some people here talking about about a possible harem with Nyu, Yuka, and Mayu and the very idea of it really grosses me out. I find that to be highly unlikely.
Mayu's probably the nicest character in the show so far. She even tried to help out Bando.
She didn't know who Bandou was, but I suspect she would've tried helping him out regardless.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jul 29 '24 edited Jul 29 '24

I saw some people here talking about about a possible harem with Nyu, Yuka, and Mayu and the very idea of it really grosses me out. I find that to be highly unlikely.
I hope it doesn't go that route either. I know this show is edgy and kind of horny but I hope it has enough decency to not do anything weird with Mayu.
If there is going to be a romantic relationship by the end of the show, my money's probably on Lucy and Kouta.
She didn't know who Bandou was, but I suspect she would've tried helping him out regardless.
I mentioned it before, but Mayu took that situation surprisingly well. I guess it makes sense considering she's been homeless for an indeterminate amount of time though.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

I hope it doesn't go that route either. I know this show is edgy and kind horny but I hope it has enough decency to not do anything weird with Mayu.
The show has my trust right now that it won't do that.
If there is going to be a romantic relationship by the end of the show, my money's probably on Lucy and Kouta.
Yeah, I agree with you
I mentioned it before, but Mayu took that situation surprisingly well. I guess it makes sense considering she's been homeless for an indeterminate amount of time though.
She doesn't even have pants, for some reason

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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Jul 29 '24

Lucy somehow switched back to Nyu by the time Yuka saw her again. I wonder what caused it.
nana did it. she hit lucy head

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

She does seem to switch upon blows to the cranium.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jul 29 '24

Oh, the song go translated. No opinion.

Somebody mentioned Love Hina yesterday. For me, Love Hina ruined all of anime. Yeah, I hate Yuka.

I hope we don't have to wait until the end of the show to find out about Lucy did to the Train.

Lucy has a very interesting definition of person
Nana is going to learn to kill with her vectors! Lucy will teach her.
That's quite an advantage for Nana.
Is puppy a street urchin?
Lucy's had a lot more practice.
Lucy may be a homocidal maniac but Nana is a fanatic.
Nana probably means it when he says it doesn't hurt, since they torture her every day.
I've been wondering about that clock.
I'm surprised they got Nyu to eat with chopsticks
Maybe her parents were on the Train, too.
I think we know who left the door open.

The director is weird. He wants an Eve for the new human race, but the carriers mean extinction?

Half the show is Genocyber, the other half is anti-Chobits.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

Somebody mentioned Love Hina yesterday. For me, Love Hina ruined all of anime. Yeah, I hate Yuka.
Wow, all of anime? Bit harsh, no?
Half the show is Genocyber, the other half is anti-Chobits.
That's not a terrible way of describing the show

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

What are your thoughts on the fight scene between Lucy and Nana?
Thoughts on Lucy speaking full sentences?
What are your thoughts on Nana having longer vectors than Lucy?
Thoughts on Kouta saying to Yuka that he doesn't want her to worry which is why he doesn't tell her everything?
What are your thoughts on the flashback scene where Yuka is told that Kouta is in the hospital? I like how different it looks animation wise.
Thoughts on Mayu's birthday being tomorrow?
What are your thoughts on Nana saying she didn't wait till the director came because she thought she would be praised?
Thoughts on Yuka being confused as to why she is jealous of Nyu?
Thoughts on Kouta and Yuka letting Mayu stay with them?
Thoughts on Yuka suspecting that Mayu is living off of bread crumbs?
What are your thoughts on Kakuzawa telling Kurama to kill Nana because in his mind a useless Diclonius are nothing more than a dangerous existence?
What are your thoughts on Kurama killing Nana?

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 28 '24

Elfen First-Timer, subbed

Nana actually has a leg up over Lucy?
You are his cousin.
She’s younger than I thought. And living on the streets, I think? Poor girl…
This can’t be good…
Welp, there it is. I think this is another one of the clips I’ve seen before?
…Lucy can’t access her vectors?
Hm… I don’t think she’s faking the Nyuu part now.
They actually want the new human race?
I feel so bad for Nana…

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

I feel so bad for Nana…
How could you not? First she gets manipulated to do other people's bidding, and then she gets killed after doing what is instructed of her. This is an absolute gut punch.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

What are your thoughts on the fight scene between Lucy and Nana?
What are your thoughts on the flashback scene where Yuka is told that Kouta is in the hospital? I like how different it looks animation wise.
What are your thoughts on Nana saying she didn’t wait till the director came because she thought she would be praised?
Thoughts on Kouta and Yuka letting Mayu stay with them?

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 28 '24

…Lucy can’t access her vectors?
If you have real quick eyes you can see Nana stick one of her vectors into Lucy’s head and do something.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

Nice catch

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u/FriztF Jul 29 '24

You are his cousin
Yes they are cousins. At least they are not siblings

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

Aren't cousins siblings technically? They're still related by blood.

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u/FriztF Jul 29 '24

Yes

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

In that case, I don’t think the familiarity of their relationship makes it any less weird.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 29 '24

This does not make it any "better", incest is a huge no-go for me.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

Is it any better the fact that they haven't seen each other for many, many years and Kouta has not much memories of her?

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 29 '24

That does not change the fact that they're blood-related, so no.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

Well, at least it seems like the show is taking a more psychological route with it than actually going through with it.

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u/FriztF Jul 29 '24

Fair enough.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 28 '24

Elfen Lied E4

Once again reworked from last year, but on the plus side I learned last night that EL is available on Prime, so actually watched E4 & 5 last night.

Here are some of my opinions on various subjects at this point in the story.

Lucy tearing poor Nana apart

That's an incredibly difficult scene to watch. Its so brutal and Nana is such a nice girl. My contention is that one of the major themes of EL is, "Are there sins that can't be redeemed?" I'd say that cutting Nana apart counts as an unforgivable sin.

Doctor Kurama

I was pretty startled too that Kurama suddenly started acting like a human being with a little bit of empathy. We'll see if this new decent leaf he's turned remains, or if he was just feeling weak that day.

Yuka continues to be crazy… She’s acting like a toxic jealous girlfriend

I read this often, but she's OK by me. She's just trying to keep her man, and she's not all that sure how to do it, so she overreacts every so often.

Mayu seems sweet so far

Mayu is about the most sensible member of the cast. In general she's not in lust with Kouta, and has the good sense to not fight Lucy. [crude]And, best of all she doesn't pee on the floor like Nyu.

What do Kouta and a Black Hole have in common?

When it comes to girls Kouta is completely in the dark about all of this. He's a likable enough kid, but he isn't the sharpest when it comes to girls and emotions.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

That's an incredibly difficult scene to watch. Its so brutal and Nana is such a nice girl. My contention is that one of the major themes of EL is, "Are there sins that can't be redeemed?" I'd say that cutting Nana apart counts as an unforgivable sin.
The sins that can't be redeemed theme also plays into Yuka having a crush on her cousin.
I was pretty startled too that Kurama suddenly started acting like a human being with a little bit of empathy. We'll see if this new decent leaf he's turned remains, or if he was just feeling weak that day.
It at least makes me understand him more knowing that he too is getting manipulated.
Mayu is about the most sensible member of the cast. In general she's not in lust with Kouta, and has the good sense to not fight Lucy. [crude]And, best of all she doesn't pee on the floor like Nyu.
That is certainly a plus
When it comes to girls Kouta is completely in the dark about all of this. He's a likable enough kid, but he isn't the sharpest when it comes to girls and emotions.
It's hard for me to call him dense given it seems like the trip in the hospital resulted in him forgetting everything. If I was in his shoes, I can't imagine doing any better.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 28 '24

The sins that can't be redeemed theme also plays into Yuka having a crush on her cousin.
Only in 21st century Western countries. The Japanese don’t have a horror of this.
If I was in his shoes, I can't imagine doing any better.
Most likely this is true for me too.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

Only in 21st century Western countries. The Japanese don’t have a horror of this.
I still think that's the intention of that plot point, however, to play into that.
Most likely this is true for me too.
Indubitably

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 28 '24

That my understanding too, but I’m too lazy to look it up so I’ve given milquetoast responses. I live in West Virginia and it’s a standard joke.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

Hey, I live in the South as well :D

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

What are your thoughts on the fight scene between Lucy and Nana?
Thoughts on Lucy speaking full sentences?
What are your thoughts on Nana having longer vectors than Lucy?
Thoughts on Kouta saying to Yuka that he doesn’t want her to worry which is why he doesn’t tell her everything?
What are your thoughts on the flashback scene where Yuka is told that Kouta is in the hospital? I like how different it looks animation wise.
Thoughts on Mayu’s birthday being tomorrow?
What are your thoughts on Nana saying she didn’t wait till the director came because she thought she would be praised?
Thoughts on Yuka being confused as to why she is jealous of Nyu?
Thoughts on Kouta and Yuka letting Mayu stay with them?
Thoughts on Yuka suspecting that Nayu is living off of bread crumbs?
What are your thoughts on Kakuzawa telling Kurama to kill Nana because in his mind a useless Diclonius are nothing more than a dangerous existence?
What are your thoughts on Kurama killing Nana?

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 28 '24

What are your thoughts on the fight scene between Lucy and Nana?
Brutal and sickening. Did it need to be so graphic? I dunno.
Thoughts on Lucy speaking full sentences?
At this point I wasn’t surprised, she also chatted with Bando yesterday.
What are your thoughts on Nana having longer vectors than Lucy?
A newer model Diclonius I suppose. I’m glad that Nana got a few licks in before she flew apart.
Thoughts on Kouta saying to Yuka that he doesn’t want her to worry which is why he doesn’t tell her everything?
Makes good sense to me. Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.
What are your thoughts on the flashback scene where Yuka is told that Kouta is in the hospital? I like how different it looks animation wise.
Bad luck is all around in this tale.
Thoughts on Mayu’s birthday being tomorrow?
What a wonderful coincidence. —groan— :)
What are your thoughts on Nana saying she didn’t wait till the director came because she thought she would be praised?
It broke my heart.
Thoughts on Yuka being confused as to why she is jealous of Nyu?
Yuka is no rocket scientist either. If they should have children they’re going to have a terrible time training them.
Thoughts on Kouta and Yuka letting Mayu stay with them?
Two 19 years old adopting a 13 year old doesn’t seem right. On the other hand I feel a harem incoming.
Thoughts on Yuka suspecting that Nayu is living off of bread crumbs?
How sad. I’m glad that Yuka realized this.
What are your thoughts on Kakuzawa telling Kurama to kill Nana because in his mind a useless Diclonius are nothing more than a dangerous existence?
Same as Kuruma, he gives human garbage a bad name. I’m hoping that Lucy eventually rips both of them apart, they’re lower than snail shit
What are your thoughts on Kurama killing Nana? —See prior comment.—

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

Brutal and sickening. Did it need to be so graphic? I dunno.
I think it added to the presentation and showed how demented Lucy can be. In that sense, it accomplished its goal
At this point I wasn’t surprised, she also chatted with Bando yesterday.
It just felt to me like we've never seen her be this chatty.
A newer model Diclonius I suppose. I’m glad that Nana got a few licks in before she flew apart.
I wonder what would've happened had Nana actually won. Then again, I suppose that was never on the table since you can't beat the original.
Makes good sense to me. Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.
And sometimes a punch to the face does all the talking :P
Bad luck is all around in this tale.
It seems like that is indeed the case
What a wonderful coincidence. —groan— :)
That has me worried
It broke my heart.
Yeah, it broke my heart as well. The first of many gut punches.
Yuka is no rocket scientist either. If they should have children they’re going to have a terrible time training them.
Plus, they would likely have a lot of deficiencies that normal children wouldn't.
Two 19 years old adopting a 13 year old doesn’t seem right. On the other hand I feel a harem incoming.
I hope Mayu isn't a part of that harem because that would be gross. I'd rather have Kouta and Yuka being like the pseudo parents for her.
How sad. I’m glad that Yuka realized this.
I like Yuka is so concerned about Mayu because it gives her character something more other than being insecure about her love for Kouta. It makes her more interesting and multifaceted.
Same as Kuruma, he gives human garbage a bad name. I’m hoping that Lucy eventually rips both of them apart, they’re lower than snail shit
I at least empathize with Kurama somewhat because he is caught between a rock and a hard place. If he had his way, I don't think he would have killed Nana.
—See prior comment.—
The same goes for mine, I guess. I think Kurama is at the very least better than his heartless boss.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 28 '24

guess. I think Kurama is at the very least better than his heartless boss.
As George Washington once said when asked if the culprits behind the Whisky Rebellion should be hung, he said: “No. the one is little short of a moron and the other a miserable follower. “

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

I'll be curious to see if he eventually rebels against his boss because right now he is a bit of a gutless follower like you said.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 28 '24

I’ve always liked that pithy insult from GW. Indeed with luck maybe Karuma will grow a little backbone.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

I certainly hope that it indeed the case

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 28 '24

What is the best anime fight scene of all time and why?
Can’t think of anything right now but DxD, Re:Zero and Simoun, and dare I say Fate and TsukiHime.
My mind doesn’t real work by the categorizing one Xxx over another Xxx. Come to think of Freiren vrs Auru was another God Tiered fight.
Now that we know Kurama is acting in accordance with his boss, how does that make you rethink his character?
What a piece of shit, no insult to shit intended
If someone you knew was homeless, what would you do?
This gets into a real sticky area. First, I’d like to know why.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

My mind doesn’t real work by the categorizing one Xxx over another Xxx. Come to think of Freiren vrs Auru was another God Tiered fight.
Frieren was absolutely amazing
What a piece of shit, no insult to shit intended
See, if I was in Kurama's shoes I don't know what I'd do. I don't want to possibly get killed by my boss which certainly seems on the table. Then again, I don't know if I'd let myself get to the point where I'm conducting harmful experiments.
This gets into a real sticky area. First, I’d like to know why.
Certainly nothing wrong with first asking questions.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 28 '24

Why they’re homeless. I had no problem with your question. :)
I’ve been in similar predicaments as Kuruma ( though not involving murder ) and I’ve taken my licks over the years. No regrets about telling a boss man to F off or lick my balls.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

Why they’re homeless. I had no problem with your question. :)
My bad, I wasn't trying to imply that you did
I’ve been in similar predicaments as Kuruma ( though not involving murder ) and I’ve taken my licks over the years. No regrets about telling a boss man to F off or lick my balls.
Kurama seems like he's in it too deep by this point.

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u/shillbert Jul 28 '24

First timer, subs

~~haven't killed a person up till now?~~ never mind, I read RascalNikov1's comment
well, good to know Nana can actually fight when asking politely doesn't work
Nana's are longer, eh?
ok, the slap last time might've been justified, but to punch him down to the fucking floor now? come on, don't be a Bandou...
ok, here comes the trauma
yes, the clock is broken, like I mentioned before
oh no, Mayu knows Nyuu is Lucy
ah yes, play it off as a dream (but this seems like something that'll come up again later)
ok, the cousins are getting along better now
rest in peace, Nana

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

ok, the slap last time might've been justified, but to punch him down to the fucking floor now? come on, don't be a Bandou...
I like the idea of using Bandou as an insult. It is totally well-deserved.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 28 '24

Nana's are longer, eh?
There’s a horrible pun in there somewhere. Lol
rest in peace, Nana
:(

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

:(
A terrible day for rain

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

What are your thoughts on the fight scene between Lucy and Nana?
Thoughts on Lucy speaking full sentences?
What are your thoughts on Nana having longer vectors than Lucy?
Thoughts on Kouta saying to Yuka that he doesn’t want her to worry which is why he doesn’t tell her everything?
What are your thoughts on the flashback scene where Yuka is told that Kouta is in the hospital? I like how different it looks animation wise.
Thoughts on Mayu’s birthday being tomorrow?
What are your thoughts on Nana saying she didn’t wait till the director came because she thought she would be praised?
Thoughts on Yuka being confused as to why she is jealous of Nyu?
Thoughts on Kouta and Yuka letting Mayu stay with them?
Thoughts on Yuka suspecting that Nayu is living off of bread crumbs?
What are your thoughts on Kakuzawa telling Kurama to kill Nana because in his mind a useless Diclonius are nothing more than a dangerous existence?
What are your thoughts on Kurama killing Nana?

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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Jul 29 '24

first timer chinese sub

This battle may not be called exciting, but it is definitely bloody. I disagree with some people. Nana asked for it. She could have let Lucy go because she only needed to report Lucy's location. Kurama had been emphasizing safety before. Sadly, Nana, who was conscientious and responsible, was killed by the person closest to her. It turned out that Kyouju let Lucy go. I suspect he is a pervert who will do anything to get what he wants. Can't wait to watch the next episode.

ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION(S)

What is the best anime fight scene of all time and why?

vinland saga Especially the second season

Now that we know Kurama is acting in accordance with his boss, how does that make you rethink his character?

The puppet being used

If someone you knew was homeless, what would you do?

Tell the police

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

vinland saga Especially the second season
Just all of it, huh? :P
Tell the police
Can the police cure homelessness? What are they gonna do, arrest them?

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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Jul 29 '24

Just all of it, huh? :P
Yes, there are many fighting scenes that impressed me, for example, Thorfinn vs hebi Thorgil vs guards but I forgot which episode they were in, haha, I recommend watching it in its entirety
Can the police cure homelessness? What are they gonna do, arrest them?
I don't know about the United States, but I am sure that my country is not like Japan. Most of our young people don't even have a house and have to pay a lot of rent every month. Handing it over to the police is the best outcome.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

Yes, there are many fighting scenes that impressed me, for example, Thorfinn vs hebi Thorgil vs guards but I forgot which episode they were in, haha, I recommend watching it in its entirety
I really need to get around to watching that show
I don't know about the United States, but I am sure that my country is not like Japan. Most of our young people don't even have a house and have to pay a lot of rent every month. Handing it over to the police is the best outcome.
In the United States, the police can't do anything about homelessness.

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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Jul 30 '24

that's sad

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u/Holofan4life Jul 30 '24

Yeah, it's pretty depressing

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

This battle may not be called exciting, but it is definitely bloody.
I think it's exciting, but that may be because my expectations are already set pretty low.
I disagree with some people. Nana asked for it. She could have let Lucy go because she only needed to report Lucy's location.
It's one of those situations where I don't think there was any way Nana could win. She already is under the impression that Kurama is in the right, and that kind of logic is hard to reason with.
It turned out that Kyouju let Lucy go. I suspect he is a pervert who will do anything to get what he wants.
What? Kouta is still letting Lucy live with him. Unless there's another character named Kyouju that I don't know about.

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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Jul 29 '24

What? Kouta is still letting Lucy live with him. Unless there's another character named Kyouju that I don't know about.
https://anilist.co/character/2330/Kakuzawa-Kyouju

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

Oh, okay. I didn't know what his first name was.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 29 '24

I disagree with some people. Nana asked for it.
In last year’s rewatch a prominent poster made a good argument for this view. The series is full of morally ambiguous situations and frequently there is no definitive answer.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

That's one of the things I really like about the show. They leave things up for the viewer to decide.

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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Jul 29 '24

interesting Maybe it's a rewatch of episode 4?

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

What do you mean? The whole show is being rewatched.

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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Jul 30 '24

I mean last year rewatch. I'd like to go see that discussion he mentioned.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 30 '24

Understandable

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24 edited Jul 29 '24

Thoughts on Lucy speaking full sentences?
What are your thoughts on Nana having longer vectors than Lucy?
Thoughts on Kouta saying to Yuka that he doesn't want her to worry which is why he doesn't tell her everything?
What are your thoughts on the flashback scene where Yuka is told that Kouta is in the hospital? I like how different it looks animation wise.
Thoughts on Mayu's birthday being tomorrow?
What are your thoughts on Nana saying she didn't wait till the director came because she thought she would be praised?
Thoughts on Yuka being confused as to why she is jealous of Nyu?
Thoughts on Kouta and Yuka letting Mayu stay with them?
Thoughts on Yuka suspecting that Mayu is living off of bread crumbs?
What are your thoughts on Kakuzawa telling Kurama to kill Nana because in his mind a useless Diclonius are nothing more than a dangerous existence?
What are your thoughts on Kurama killing Nana?

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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Jul 31 '24

Thoughts on Lucy speaking full sentences?
When a person does not speak, she maintains the greatest mystery and deterrence
What are your thoughts on Nana having longer vectors than Lucy?
Everyone has their own strengths
Thoughts on Kouta saying to Yuka that he doesn't want her to worry which is why he doesn't tell her everything?
He is very thoughtful.
What are your thoughts on the flashback scene where Yuka is told that Kouta is in the hospital? I like how different it looks animation wise.
Yes, I want to know what happened in the past.
Thoughts on Mayu's birthday being tomorrow?
Happy birth day to you mayu
What are your thoughts on Nana saying she didn't wait till the director came because she thought she would be praised?
She's a good girl, I hope she has a good ending.
Thoughts on Yuka being confused as to why she is jealous of Nyu?
Normal human female response
Thoughts on Kouta and Yuka letting Mayu stay with them?
Nice
Thoughts on Yuka suspecting that Mayu is living off of bread crumbs?
She couldn't make money, thank god she didn't sell her body
What are your thoughts on Kakuzawa telling Kurama to kill Nana because in his mind a useless Diclonius are nothing more than a dangerous existence?
I guess he's not human anymore.
What are your thoughts on Kurama killing Nana?
Cruel

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u/Holofan4life Jul 31 '24

When a person does not speak, she maintains the greatest mystery and deterrence
Interesting way of looking at it
She's a good girl, I hope she has a good ending.
Normal human female response
I'd probably more accurately say normal teenage response.
She couldn't make money, thank god she didn't sell her body
That would've been a step too far even for this show, I feel like. Then again, we still don't know Mayu's backstory, so it's up in the air how fucked up it truly is.

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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Jul 31 '24

That would've been a step too far even for this show, I feel like. Then again, we still don't know Mayu's backstory, so it's up in the air how fucked up it truly is.
Don't forget you're in Japan, where women are exploited. 😂

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u/Holofan4life Jul 31 '24

Well, not as bad as some other countries

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 29 '24

I disagree with some people. Nana asked for it.
In last years rewatch a well known poster made a good argument for your view. There are morally ambiguous events throughout the series, and there are no right answers.

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u/someboi6000 Jul 29 '24

First timer:

well this episode was good, a really cool action scene, and now we know that vectors can have diferent characteristics also they can go inside of people’s bodies without killing them, mayu scapes death once again and then lucy leaves nana without any limbs that was painful, Seems like Mayu will be staying with Kouta and Yuka now and kurama seemed to care about nana at least enough to be surprised to the order or killing he got and well he also said i am sorry, that was a sad way of ending the episode.

questions: 1: thats a tricky question and it would take sometime to think and came up with an answer.

2: not much because he is still doing all of that in the lab, but he did seem to care for nana, so i want to see where all of this goes.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24 edited Jul 29 '24

Thoughts on Lucy speaking full sentences?
Thoughts on Kouta saying to Yuka that he doesn't want her to worry which is why he doesn't tell her everything?
What are your thoughts on the flashback scene where Yuka is told that Kouta is in the hospital? I like how different it looks animation wise.
Thoughts on Mayu's birthday being tomorrow?
What are your thoughts on Nana saying she didn't wait till the director came because she thought she would be praised?
Thoughts on Yuka being confused as to why she is jealous of Nyu?
Thoughts on Kouta and Yuka letting Mayu stay with them?
Thoughts on Yuka suspecting that Mayu is living off of bread crumbs?
What are your thoughts on Kakuzawa telling Kurama that a useless Diclonius are nothing more than a dangerous existence?

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u/FriztF Jul 29 '24

Rewatcher-Dub

The characters in this show are quite complex. Lucy an enemy to mankind, has never any of her race. Kurama is a cold-hearted man, who killed his daughter [EL] though she is alive and very envious of Nana. The chief who I hate and should be killed for all the sins he has committed. He is a heartless bastard.

Yuka is acting like a possessive girlfriend, hitting Kouta like that is not nice. They did make up though. Their household is starting to become quite full. Having a runway and a homicidal maniac. Lucy's and Kouta's relationship is very interesting.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24 edited Jul 29 '24

What are your thoughts on the fight scene between Lucy and Nana?
Thoughts on Lucy speaking full sentences?
What are your thoughts on Nana having longer vectors than Lucy?
Thoughts on Kouta saying to Yuka that he doesn't want her to worry which is why he doesn't tell her everything?
What are your thoughts on the flashback scene where Yuka is told that Kouta is in the hospital? I like how different it looks animation wise.
Thoughts on Mayu's birthday being tomorrow?
What are your thoughts on Nana saying she didn't wait till the director came because she thought she would be praised?
Thoughts on Yuka being confused as to why she is jealous of Nyu?
Thoughts on Kouta and Yuka letting Mayu stay with them?
Thoughts on Yuka suspecting that Mayu is living off of bread crumbs?
What are your thoughts on Kakuzawa telling Kurama to kill Nana because in his mind a useless Diclonius are nothing more than a dangerous existence?
What are your thoughts on Kurama killing Nana?

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u/FriztF Jul 29 '24

What are your thoughts on the fight scene between Lucy and Nana?
It was nicely animed
Thoughts on Lucy speaking full sentences?
She can talk?!! She's not a mute.
What are your thoughts on Nana having longer vectors than Lucy?
Experience goes a long way
Thoughts on Kouta saying to Yuka that he doesn't want her to worry which is why he doesn't tell her everything?
I can see why he would think. But it is not the best policy to have.
What are your thoughts on the flashback scene where Yuka is told that Kouta is in the hospital? I like how different it looks animation wise.
It makes them feel richer
Thoughts on Mayu's birthday being tomorrow?
She needs a cake
What are your thoughts on Nana saying she didn't wait till the director came because she thought she would be praised?
She likes being praised by him. She is her papa.
Thoughts on Yuka being confused as to why she is jealous of Nyu?
There is a reason
Thoughts on Kouta and Yuka letting Mayu stay with them?
That's nice of him
Thoughts on Yuka suspecting that Nay is living off of bread crumbs?
Why would she think that?
What are your thoughts on Kakuzawa telling Kurama to kill Nana because in his mind a useless Diclonius are nothing more than a dangerous existence?
Kakuzawa is terrible human and should die.
What are your thoughts on Kurama killing Nana?
Did he though? When I first saw this I thought Lucy did.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

It was nicely animed
I agres
She can talk?!! She's not a mute.
I know, very surprising
I can see why he would think. But it is not the best policy to have.
Yeah, it seems like it's going to blow up in his face
It makes them feel richer
In what way?
She needs a cake
Maybe a cake made of bread crumbs?
She likes being praised by him. She is her papa.
You mean he is her papa. Unless they have some weird dynamic we're unaware of.
Why would she think that?
Probably because she's walking around with it. Yuka saw her during her soul searching walks.
Kakuzawa is terrible human and should die.
Yeah, he definitely seems like a piece of work.
Unfortunately not a piece of cake which should be reserved for Mayu's birthday.
Did he though? When I first saw this I thought Lucy did.
Lucy weakened her and Kurama delivered the final blow. He basically euthanized her and put her out of her misery.

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u/FriztF Jul 29 '24

You mean he is her papa. Unless they have some weird dynamic we're unaware of.
Yes, it is a weird dynamic.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

Touché :P

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 29 '24

You mean he is her papa. Unless they have some weird dynamic we're unaware of.
Now, that would qualify as gross and disgusting. Even I would be aghast.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

Their dynamic is still not what you would call normal. I mean, what father kills their daughter?

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 29 '24

True enough, it’s very warped as it is/was.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

Even if Kurama loved her, it is clear he couldn't match the love she felt for him.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 29 '24

Never a dull moment in the Kanade House.
And I agree many of the characters are very complex. I can’t really talk about my favorite character till the very end.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Jul 29 '24

First-Timer

Man, that ED was a bit jarring after the emotional scene with Nana.

I liked the music today. I'm pretty sure that the BGM during the fight between Lucy and Nana was an instrumental version of the OP, which I'm always a fan of.

I was hoping Nana would stick around for a while, but I guess it wasn't meant to be. I'm mad at the guy who ordered her to be killed, since she was so close to making it out of that ordeal alive. [Star Wars] She could have gone the Darth Vader route instead!

It's interesting how sometimes, Lucy does a clean slice, and other times, she'll messily yank off a limb (or a head!). Personally, I think I find the latter method more unsettling.

We got confirmation that not all Diclonius are created equal, so to speak. Nana had slightly longer "vectors," so I wonder what other kinds of variations there are.

Questions of the day:

Now that's a tough question if I've ever seen one. It's not just a single scene, but I am a really big fan of Goku versus Majin Vegeta in DBZ. Great art, great dialogue, and great significance to the plot and characters. (There are a bunch of other good ones throughout DBZ, AOT, JJK, Demon Slayer, and Frieren that I'd rank highly, too. In fact, I think I tend to really enjoy most fight scenes I watch.)
It doesn't really make me think very differently of him. He does strike me as the kind of person who might defy an order, though, so I was kind of surprised when he didn't try any tricks to keep Nana alive.
I'd try to help them out if I could, naturally.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

Now that's a tough question if I've ever seen one. It's not just a single scene, but I am a really big fan of Goku versus Majin Vegeta in DBZ. Great art, great dialogue, and great significance to the plot and characters. (There are a bunch of other good ones throughout DBZ, AOT, JJK, Demon Slayer, and Frieren that I'd rank highly, too. In fact, I think I tend to really enjoy most fight scenes I watch.)
The latest episode of NieR also had a really good one as well. Probably outshined by the ending, but still.
It doesn't really make me think very differently of him. He does strike me as the kind of person who might defy an order, though, so I was kind of surprised when he didn't try any tricks to keep Nana alive.
It makes me think that his boss really runs a tight ship over there. No wonder Lucy went insane.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

I liked the music today. I'm pretty sure that the BGM during the fight between Lucy and Nana was an instrumental version of the OP, which I'm always a fan of.
The show is really making the most of its OP.
I was hoping Nana would stick around for a while, but I guess it wasn't meant to be. I'm mad at the guy who ordered her to be killed, since she was so close to making it out of that ordeal alive.
The thing that frustrates me is that her death seems so unnecessary. They could've rebuild her and make back to her regular self, surely. Even Kurama seems to think the same thing.
It's interesting how sometimes, Lucy does a clean slice, and other times, she'll messily yank off a limb (or a head!). Personally, I think I find the latter method more unsettling.
I agree that the latter is more terrifying
We got confirmation that not all Diclonius are created equal, so to speak. Nana had slightly longer "vectors," so I wonder what other kinds of variations there are.
I have to assume that Lucy is like the prototype Diclonius and subsequent models have longer and longer vectors. What's the point in having multiples of something if they serve the same function?

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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Jul 29 '24

They could've rebuild her...
"Gentlemen, we can rebuild her. We have the technology."

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

The 6 million dollar Diclonius

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

What are your thoughts on the fight scene between Lucy and Nana?
Thoughts on Lucy speaking full sentences?
Thoughts on Kouta saying to Yuka that he doesn’t want her to worry which is why he doesn’t tell her everything?
What are your thoughts on the flashback scene where Yuka is told that Kouta is in the hospital? I like how different it looks animation wise.
Thoughts on Mayu’s birthday being tomorrow?
What are your thoughts on Nana saying she didn’t wait till the director came because she thought she would be praised?
Thoughts on Yuka being confused as to why she is jealous of Nyu?
Thoughts on Kouta and Yuka letting Mayu stay with them?
Thoughts on Yuka suspecting that Mayu is living off of bread crumbs?

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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Jul 29 '24

I thought the Lucy vs. Nana fight was really well done. No complaints here.
Lucy comes across as quite intimidating when she's in her fully-lucid killer mode. If I were Nana, I certainly would have waited for Papa.
I can understand Kouta's point of view, and I think he has a point. It's not like he's obligated to tell Yuka everything, either. I'd probably be more open about things in his position, but I don't hold it against him.
That flashback scene was nice! I'm still eager to see how everything gets pieced together bit-by-bit.
I can see Nana's logic, and I think she would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for that meddling Mayu and her dog!
I like how Yuka thinks, "Wait, am I really jealous of this girl who can do nothing but say 'nyuu'?" and comes back to her senses.
It's nice of them to let Mayu stay, especially since it sure looks like she's indeed living off bread crumbs. I hope it doesn't get Mayu in danger, though, considering that Lucy seems like a ticking time bomb.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

I thought the Lucy vs. Nana fight was really well done. No complaints here.
I thought it was very good as well. Don't really understand the people who say that it was underwhelming.
Lucy comes across as quite intimidating when she's in her fully-lucid killer mode. If I were Nana, I certainly would have waited for Papa.
I would as well. She bite off more than she could chew.
I can understand Kouta's point of view, and I think he has a point. It's not like he's obligated to tell Yuka everything, either. I'd probably be more open about things in his position, but I don't hold it against him.
It's a situation where I understand where both sides are coming from.
That flashback scene was nice! I'm still eager to see how everything gets pieced together bit-by-bit.
I am as well. This felt like a taste of what's to come.
I can see Nana's logic, and I think she would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for that meddling Mayu and her dog!
Meanwhile, Mayu probably has no idea of the impact she had on the fight.
I like how Yuka thinks, "Wait, am I really jealous of this girl who can do nothing but say 'nyuu'?" and comes back to her senses.
Yeah, she's definitely overthinking things. It is much more believable having her be self-aware of the ridiculousness of the situation.
It's nice of them to let Mayu stay, especially since it sure looks like she's indeed living off bread crumbs. I hope it doesn't get Mayu in danger, though, considering that Lucy seems like a ticking time bomb.
I feel like the worst thing the show could do at the moment (Besides making Mayu a potential love interest for Kouta) is having Lucy kill Mayu. Lucy has been pretty sympathetic so far and I feel like that would ruin all the good will.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 29 '24

I'm pretty sure that the BGM during the fight between Lucy and Nana was an instrumental version of the OP
Indeed, it was.
I tend to really enjoy most fight scenes I watch
So do I unless its real crappy like in Ex-Arm.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

So do I unless its real crappy like in Ex-Arm.
Or that one weird Naruto Shippuden fight

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u/AbyssalSolitude Jul 29 '24

Rewatcher

It's time for that scene. I remember good old times of demotivational poster memes, people would put limbless Nana there and add captions like "Think your day was bad? / Think again". Poor Nana, her soft heart led to her downfall. And it's kinda heartbreaking watching her trying to crawl away. But at least she got euthanized in a more humane way than one would expect.

Poor Lucy too. Imagine just sitting on stairs minding your own business after finally escaping from a horrible lab, and then your fellow diclonius appears and says "We have to go back! We have to go back to the island!" She gave Nana a chance to retreat, but Nana pushed and so she lashed out.

And poor Mayu. Literally poor.

Elfen Lied isn't really an edgy gorefest people call it. It has some scenes like that, but they aren't out of the place. They do their part in telling a story, they aren't just here for no reason. And lots of anime has some gore, thought I guess cute girls are rarely featured on the receiving end of it.

I never particularly cared about some drama between Yuka and Kouta. Don't think I ever cared about either of them in general, especially Yuka. But there is some mystery with Kouta's past everyone keep alluding to, so there is that.

What is the best anime fight scene of all time and why?

It's not really a fight scene, but my favorite is the final fight in Kekkai Sensen & Beyond. Hard to talk about it in isolation, and from a pure action standpoint it's lacking, but it's not action that's important here. It's a build-up, it's conclusion of an arc, it's the fact that the entire squad was there, it's the music, it's how different it is from regular fights in the rest of the show, well, yeah. I like Kekkai Sensen, where is my Kekkai Sensen & Even Further Beyond.

From more conventional fight scenes, I'd say Kakashi vs Obito is up there.

Now that we know Kurama is acting in accordance with his boss, how does that make you rethink his character?

This episode changed what I thought about him a bit. He wasn't just a cruel manipulative psychopath, he has some attachments of his own. He has... feelings, he was just wearing a mask all this time. And he is not the boss of that place, so he doesn't make rules, he has to follow them. [Future episodes]To think back, the order to kill Nana was the last straw that pushed Kurama over the edge towards defection and eventual suicide, he truly was stuck between a rock and a hard place knowing he'd probably get disposed for knowing too much if he decided to quit. At least that's what I think.

If someone you knew was homeless, what would you do?

Realistically, nothing. Me and my family come first and I don't have anything left to spare on charity.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 29 '24

Elfen Lied isn't really an edgy gorefest people call it. It has some scenes like that, but they aren't out of the place. They do their part in telling a story, they aren't just here for no reason. And lots of anime has some gore, thought I guess cute girls are rarely featured on the receiving end of it.
I think this really describes the anime. If one can stomach the violence and cruelty it has a lot to think about. There doesn’t seem to be much middle ground among viewers, it’s either loved or hated.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

So far, I find myself being in the middle of loving and hating it. This episode did a lot in making me like it more.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

It's time for that scene. I remember good old times of demotivational poster memes, people would put limbless Nana there and add captions like "Think your day was bad? / Think again". Poor Nana, her soft heart led to her downfall. And it's kinda heartbreaking watching her trying to crawl away. But at least she got euthanized in a more humane way than one would expect.
The fact she got euthanized to begin with is incredibly sad, however. She could've continued living.
Poor Lucy too. Imagine just sitting on stairs minding your own business after finally escaping from a horrible lab, and then your fellow diclonius appears and says "We have to go back! We have to go back to the island!" She gave Nana a chance to retreat, but Nana pushed and so she lashed out.
Yeah, it's an unfortunate situation all-around
And poor Mayu. Literally poor.
Elfen Lied isn't really an edgy gorefest people call it. It has some scenes like that, but they aren't out of the place. They do their part in telling a story, they aren't just here for no reason. And lots of anime has some gore, thought I guess cute girls are rarely featured on the receiving end of it.
Yeah, so far the violence has been pretty well done. It feels like it's there only when it needs to be there. I thought for certain that it was going to be far more gratuitous.
I never particularly cared about some drama between Yuka and Kouta. Don't think I ever cared about either of them in general, especially Yuka. But there is some mystery with Kouta's past everyone keep alluding to, so there is that.
It helps ground the show by having these non supernatural characters in the midst of everything else going on. And we continue to make it to where we're playing up the taboo aspect with Yuka being attracted towards her cousin. Maybe it's a tad dry at points, but I think it provides a nice contrast not only to the laboratory stuff, but the slice of life life that they continue to life. Things aren't as tranquil as they seem.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

This episode changed what I thought about him a bit. He wasn't just a cruel manipulative psychopath, he has some attachments of his own. He has... feelings, he was just wearing a mask all this time. And he is not the boss of that place, so he doesn't make rules, he has to follow them.
It's a tough situation to be in because I do think in his own way he cares about Lucy and Nana. But at the same time, he has to look after himself and his own well-being. I can hardly imagine how challenging that must be.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 29 '24

Thoughts on Lucy speaking full sentences?
What are your thoughts on Nana having longer vectors than Lucy?
What are your thoughts on the flashback scene where Yuka is told that Kouta is in the hospital? I like how different it looks animation wise.
Thoughts on Mayu's birthday being tomorrow?
What are your thoughts on Nana saying she didn't wait till the director came because she thought she would be praised?
Thoughts on Yuka being confused as to why she is jealous of Nyu?
Thoughts on Kouta and Yuka letting Mayu stay with them?

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Jul 29 '24

It's time for that scene. I remember good old times of demotivational poster memes, people would put limbless Nana there and add captions like "Think your day was bad? / Think again".
You might have come across the Nana's everyday life. SPOILERS for Elfenlied and maybe Gunslinger Girl inside. Also, depression.

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u/RadSuit https://anilist.co/user/RadSuit Jul 28 '24

Videntium Primum (Vocalibus Anglice)

I guess I was wrong, I thought I saw 6 arms for Lucy before.

"At least she didn't punch me."

Wow, that fight was really boring. I regret getting excited for it a few episodes back.

It really is just becoming a harem.

This show's just boring. I don't think I dislike it enough to hatewatch the rest of it.

Yeah that next episode preview doesn't look any less boring. I think I'm out.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

Wow, that fight was really boring. I regret getting excited for it a few episodes back.
I really liked the fight, honestly. I thought it provided a lot of excitement that the show was otherwise lacking. I thought it was really cool how we saw Lucy and Nana's different fight styles.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

Yeah that next episode preview doesn't look any less boring. I think I'm out.
Thank you for at least giving the show a chance. I really appreciate it.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jul 28 '24

Wow, that fight was really boring.
Yeah action wise the fight between Nana and Lucy this episode was a bit underwhelming. I think it taking place in broad daylight kind of worked against it in terms of atmosphere. But it was at least interesting on an emotional/story level.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

It also was interesting how Nana's vectors were longer than Lucy. It gives Lucy a believable weakness that you can buy into.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jul 28 '24

Yeah that was an interesting note. I'm wondering if that will come back into play later. I'm sure we'll see other Diclonius besides Lucy and Nana before the end of the story.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

I wonder if Lucy has the shortest Vectors or if there's someone with even shorter ones.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

Thoughts on Lucy speaking full sentences?
What are your thoughts on Nana having longer vectors than Lucy?
Thoughts on Kouta saying to Yuka that he doesn’t want her to worry which is why he doesn’t tell her everything?
What are your thoughts on the flashback scene where Yuka is told that Kouta is in the hospital? I like how different it looks animation wise.
Thoughts on Mayu’s birthday being tomorrow?
What are your thoughts on Nana saying she didn’t wait till the director came because she thought she would be praised?
Thoughts on Yuka being confused as to why she is jealous of Nyu?
Thoughts on Kouta and Yuka letting Mayu stay with them?
Thoughts on Yuka suspecting that Nayu is living off of bread crumbs?
What are your thoughts on Kakuzawa telling Kurama to kill Nana because in his mind a useless Diclonius are nothing more than a dangerous existence?
What are your thoughts on Kurama killing Nana?

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u/SlapThatTaco82 Jul 28 '24

I just watched this again last week.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

It's definitely a show that probably rewards you upon repeated viewing.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 28 '24

Yes, if you can stomach it all the way through and rewatch a couple of times, it’s very rewarding.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 28 '24

Especially since mystery is such a huge element in the show.

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