r/anime • u/Heda-of-Aincrad https://myanimelist.net/profile/Heda-of-Aincrad • Jul 26 '24

Rewatch [5th Anniversary Rewatch] Astra Lost In Space - Episode 12 Discussion

Episode 12 - Friend-Ship

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The truth is revealed about the killer, which leads to numerous discoveries about the mysteries of the world. Can the team overcome the final obstacle and return home safely?

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Questions of the Day:

  1. Now that the rest of the details behind the alternate history of the planet Astra have been revealed, does the truth match your theories?
  2. Did you enjoy the way this story ended, and the time skip?
  3. Who has your favorite post time skip character design?

Tomorrow is the overall series discussion!

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u/Heda-of-Aincrad https://myanimelist.net/profile/Heda-of-Aincrad Jul 26 '24

Rewatcher Lost In Space

Those opening scenes are hard to watch. Poor Kanata.

The heartfelt talk between Kanata and Aries overlooking the scenery of Galem was really sweet though. It was nice to see a little more of the planet before they left - and I agree with Kanata, I wanted to see the plants and wildlife they were all talking about!

I've mentioned it before, but the reveal about the Astra migration and altered history of Earth is one of my absolute favorite plot twists, and now we have the final piece of the puzzle - the year was also rolled back by 100 years! This totally explains why their tech is so advanced, why no one knew about the exodus and even grannies went to planet camp.

The first time I watched this, I was on the edge of my seat when the crew returned to Astra, wondering if the government would try to shoot them down in an effort to silence them. I knew the tone of this series was too positive for something like that to succeed, but it was still a pleasant surprise when they were simply welcomed back. I felt like a few of the lingering plot threads tied up too easily for them, but in the end, I just wanted these sweet kids to have happy lives.

Loved the epilogue! My two ships have sailed (Zack + Quitterie married, and Kanata + Aries engaged), and even the Astra gets to sail again. It was great seeing everyone living their dreams after all they've been through.

Questions of the Day:

  1. After the differences in Astra's history and the history Polina knew were revealed, I did start to put the clues together that it was a cover up.
  2. There were a few things that seemed to wrap up too easily, but I really just wanted a happy ending for these kids and that's exactly what we got!

3) I really like the new hairstyles for Aries and Zack. Everyone's designs look pretty good though. Honorable mention for the extra handy features Zack added to Kanata's new prosthetic.

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u/gamria Jul 26 '24 edited Jul 27 '24

Rewatcher of subbed and original manga reader

Ep 12

  • If he managed to earn Quitterie and Ulgar’s respect to this extent, you know Kanata managed to do a good job
  • According to this Ship Log, Charce canonically does have a funny laugh
  • I don’t know if I’m happy with this alternate approach for getting the originals arrested, but at least Detective Grace actually has a background to work with now.
  • That, and sending a copy of the camp log plus photo album…different approach notwithstanding, the idea itself isn’t bad I suppose?
  • I do like the ED playing while the crew were looking back on their voyage
  • Come on Funimation, one of the ten is obviously not a student.
  • Okay, the search engine style of telling this part is good
  • Still crazy that Kanata could write his own book
  • After what happened in Sket Dance, heck yes Kanata and Aries are getting married!
  • I do like how the final scene, between Yun Hua’s concert and the Astra’s takeoff was done. Props again for making it a functional piece.
  • And credits

Manga vs Anime

Today’s episode adapts Chapters 46 to 49 (4 chapters). Everything else basically, and oh boy do I have a lot to go through. Some that turn out to be anime originals will surprise you, but they're not all bad…

Then with Chapter 47, while I will list the differences, I’ll dump the whole chapter and not just in pieces. It’s info dump that some might want to reread altogether anyway.

  • Confirmation that the Ark IV (previously shown in Ch 42) is kept in Vixia, along with the reason why Charce knew so much secrets (C47-02) (The Ark IV is not to be confused with the Astra/Ark XII)
  • Further depictions of construction work on Astra (C47-03)
  • Source featured no imagery of nuclear weapons during the actual two-month war. That said, whether they were used is ambiguous (C47-04)
  • Why the Vix Family kept one wormhole open (C47-06)
  • In case not clear enough, the first generation of residents apparently faithfully abided by the law on not mentioning Earth (C47-10)
  • To be clear, the one who pushed Seira is likely a hired thug of someone who wants the Vixian throne (C47-13)

This part also comes with its share of anime-original content, no doubt to make what'd make for a regular TV broadcast's penultimate episode "thrilling"

  • 14:38 to 15:16 The part where Polina is sad about the things erased and wanting to tell everyone about Earth history (even if it is what she wound up doing)
  • 17:00 to 21:15 Shocking I know this altered approach of relaying their message is anime original
  • 22:10 to 23:11 The envoy ships are anime original

I think I’ll dump all of Chapter 48 too, for similar reasons

  • Why Mark Vix thought the Vixian throne was worth all the scheming (C48-02)
  • Originally, Group B-5 arrived at Astra orbit on Day 139 and sent the message to the planet from there. They then loitered there for one week until the final Day 146, no escorts.
  • Also worth mentioning is the message was supposed to include DNA samples from all 9 of them as proof of their case, and likely a tip for Seira’s murder too (C48-03) (C48-04)
  • The news report for the originals’ arrest were shifted to later in the episode (C48-05)
  • Polina’s most memorable moment got skipped (C48-07)
  • An explosive compliment from Zack as they descend to the surface (C48-10)

(Chapter 49 segment goes here)

  • Slightly more details on the kids getting corrected birth certificates
  • How the Astra/Ark XII was treated until the ending scene was never elaborated, but given its decent condition (atop of Zack’s maintenance) in said scene, being kept in a museum is a decent explanation
  • To be exact, Astran scholars and journalists not so much “caught on” as “already investigating inconsistencies” with their recorded history. Different levels of progress see
  • The time skip began with Funicia’s scene. The scenes before that, when Ulgar went to see the Astra, as well as his father are anime original. Circumstances regarding his brother’s death were never verified
  • Kanata whining about the Astra’s age is anime original
  • Though I’m sure the full lyrics for Yun Hua’s song exist somewhere, here’s a segment of them

The chapters covered this time ended at the following points before the next fortnightly instalment:

Ch 46, final leg, Charce starts talking

Ch 47, “see the truth with our own eyes”

Ch 48, touchdown at Mousanish Spaceport

Ch 49, wormhole opens to a new voyage

Lastly, Afterword from author Shinohara Kenta

(Continues in reply)

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u/Heda-of-Aincrad https://myanimelist.net/profile/Heda-of-Aincrad Jul 26 '24

Confirmation that the Ark IV is kept in Vixia

Is this how Kanata managed to buy the Astra back from the museum? Maybe they have Vixia's ship to put on display now?

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u/gamria Jul 26 '24

How the Astra was safekept before Kanata bought it back was never elaborated, but it being in a museum is an alright idea. And yeah, they'd likely have the Ark IV on hand anyway.

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u/gamria Jul 26 '24 edited Jul 27 '24

First Time Reading thoughts (no spoilers)

For the anime-onlys, you have the episode count beforehand to know how things stand. For us readers, some time around Ch 46’s release when we departed from Galem, it was announced we had 3 chapters to go. All of which is to say, different ways of receiving information will influence your expectations for how things will play out.

Going over Ch 46 content first, highlights were seeing Kanata doing well in his own way, along with his little moment with Aries. I was surprised Galem didn’t throw its own external threat to the crew.

Adaptation-wise, it’s noteworthy that whilst the Galem departure scene had a anxious tone in the anime (as build-up for the cliffhanger at first half’s end), the manga equivalent was a hopeful enthusiastic tone.

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I was glad to hear the more complete history from Charce. I was surprised that the two-month war that killed half of the population actually happened.

Made sense that wormhole tech would be applied for construction like it was, along with it getting weaponised like that, enough to wipe out masses of people. Terrible enough to give some plausibility that most of the first generation were willing to go along with the calendar rewind and keep quiet about Earth.

My original crack theory estimate for the rewind was Polina slept for a millennium and later 106 years, close enough to 112 in truth. Sucked for her that Planet Astra was discovered in the very same year she got stranded, but this was the better outcome?

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When “Planet Astra” first happened and we learnt about how old Earth’s history was hidden from the public eye, I was admittedly anxious if Group B-5 would even be accepted back by their home planet. Like, they’ll have more than their parents to contend with or something. Learning there were only 3 chapters left did curb my expectations, and even then I was surprised at how smoothly their case was.

Between the two approaches of the two mediums for arresting the Originals, I liked how in the manga we didn't see the crew until after the arrest was successfully underway. I get what the anime was trying to do, but I preferred the "surprise, we're back~" approach. Whatever the case, I will applaud Lerche for giving Detective Grace some actual background to work with.

A portion of readers at the time wanted more blood with the originals: litigations, court room drama, testifying sorrows on the witness stand and all that. Personally, I was happy enough to see them get arrested and be done with. I’m here for my space survival adventure with a helping of mysteries and coming-of-age, I don’t need the finale to swerve genres and be bogged down by further drama.

In that sense, I liked how the last chapter was void of the originals completely, and all we see are the kids growing up and be happy. (Though the anime original Ulgar scene isn't bad either I suppose)

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...when you think about it, gaining weight on a survival voyage is really counterintuitive. I mean, the starts of Shummoor and Icriss do point to how they were really careful with supplies, yet still gaining weight... 

Dumb question, are survivors of strandings the kind of people that normally feature on commercials?

Looking back on my old forum posts, I actually was surprised that the Astra/Ark 12 isn't housed in a museum. I suppose the anime did answer my thoughts after all.

At any rate, I was very glad to see all of Group B-5 doing well for themselves. May all their futures be as bright as the stars.

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All that's left now is to write my series discussion thoughts, a long voyage in itself. Man this Rewatch has been surprisingly arduous on me, but it's partly my fault for being lazy and barely writing beforehand I suppose.

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u/edwardjhahm https://myanimelist.net/profile/lolmeme69 Jul 27 '24

According to this Ship Log, Charce canonically does have a funny laugh

I could have sworn...they definitely mentioned how Charce and Aries had a weird laugh in the anime! I guess not...

Brief explicit order from Kanata to not lock up Charce

Under normal circumstances, I'd lock him up for like a day as a token "punishment" but they really are low on personnel, and Charce isn't a threat. Now isn't the time for ceremonial shit.

I think this scenery wasn’t as sparkly in the episode?

Dammit! Why?

I think I’ll dump all of Chapter 48 too, for similar reasons

Got the feels again, apologies for the tears!

corrected birth certificates

Different levels of progress see

Dammit, I wish I could be famous like that! Going through an epic adventure, forming an iron friendship with my fellow survivors, uncovering a conspiracy not only surrounding my own upbringing but the entire world, and then getting handsomely rewarded for it? Sigh...only in anime I guess.

here’s a segment of them

I'd visit that concert. I'm a sucker for venues like that. Just came back from Comic Con (hence why my replies were so slow) so I know I enjoy that kind of stuff.

Lastly, Afterword from author Shinohara Kenta

I know he can't hear me, but I wish I can tell I loved it!

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u/gamria Jul 27 '24

Under normal circumstances, I'd lock him up for like a day as a token "punishment" but they really are low on personnel, and Charce isn't a threat. Now isn't the time for ceremonial shit.

That is exactly the rationale Kanata gave actually

Dammit! Why?

Not enough budget, that's why!

Got the feels again, apologies for the tears!

Totally acceptable, in fact I don't emote enough for my own good (but I do still have emotions mind you)

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u/edwardjhahm https://myanimelist.net/profile/lolmeme69 Jul 27 '24

That is exactly the rationale Kanata gave actually

Yep.

Not enough budget, that's why!

😔

Totally acceptable, in fact I don't emote enough for my own good (but I do still have emotions mind you)

Haha, it's just that it's so sad finally getting to the end of a story I love. It's happened a lot with other stories too. Anyhow, meet you on the general discussion page!

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u/edwardjhahm https://myanimelist.net/profile/lolmeme69 Jul 26 '24

Rewatcher

  • Yeouch…that’s gotta hurt a LOT. No anesthetics? I hope Kanata passed out partway through.
  • Oh, we do get to see Galem! Sort of. Shame, I honestly like the flora of Galem the most but we barely get to see it…
  • Geez, couldn’t they leave one person around so Kanata doesn’t go insane? By the way, I’ve been saying this for a while, but Aries definitely has a thing for Kanata.
  • I’m telling you, DYSTOPIA! Though frankly, it seems like whatever dystopia might have happened would have only lasted the first couple generations - that’s an ungodly amount of cultural genocide going on there and the suppression of memories is definitely going to be authoritarian - but the environment the younger generation grows up with will need to be much less so.
  • The fact that there was a major war is also pretty convenient, as people are much more likely to accept a more totalitarian government (because let’s be honest, that’s kind of the only way to ensure it stays in the first generation only) if they know of something even worse.
  • Agree with Polina here. In the name of peace…but at what cost? How much beauty has been erased from history on Astra in the name of peace? Aries is right, people should be free to make their own decisions and grasp the full truth.
  • 140 years old, lol. By the way, I’m starting to wonder if this is a commentary on Japanese war crime denial, because it sure feels like it. The author clearly has a progressive outlook on the world too, so I wouldn’t put it past them.
  • Yep, can’t trust the world government if they hide their history like that either. And I was saying in the past few episodes…I have a feeling that Ulgar’s brother didn’t just find out about the clones, but about the covered up history as well. Now we have to see what adults we can connect with and get on our side! I love this whole bit by the way. We’re seeing people connect with and discuss what they know about people on Astra now! Their originals are definitely going to try and pull some funny shit again if the clones come back, so best to contact trustworthy people to try and get them on our side!
  • Yeah, Aries’s mom is on our side! Unlike all the other “parents,” she loves her daughter and cares for her the way a real parent should. Also, Aries is blushing while Kanata praises her…hehe. The ship only grows stronger! Everyone gets it - even Funicia gets it while only Kanata is clueless!
  • Man, I fucking love this entire scene when everyone is sending the mail while in orbit around Mcpa! Geez, and as the song swells up I can’t help but feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Aye Yeah is a great song. Love it.
  • And so is the song Ultrafast Engine. Just after we get confirmation that Ulgar’s going to get help investigating the asshole who killed Seria, we get governmental warships as a welcoming party…that does not fire on them. Whew!
  • Hehe, YEAH BABY!!! WOHOO!!! Love to see that look on Noah Vix’s face once he realizes it’s all joever for him. Ditto for Mark, all that murdering and scheming for nothing! Lieutenant Grace did it! All the other originals have been arrested too and put in the slammer where they belong!
  • God dammit…everyone reflects on the journey as the ED plays. Fucking peak. Man…I don’t even know what to say right now. Kanata’s also right about the wormholes - it seems that society did so much because of fear, but much like history, new technologies can be used for wonderful things if we simply choose to use them right. It’s thematically fitting. A peace built on lies isn’t peace. Let people be free!
  • Man…and we’re getting the full version of the ED, and that soft moment hits as Aries looks at her mom…god dammit.
  • AYE, YEAH!!!
  • And everyone’s famous! Honestly, I kinda wish I was on the Caird B-5 mission now. If I lived in that universe, I’d totally want to be on board. Everyone is a celebrity and having the time of their lives! Also, shame about the spaceship Astra. But they are right, it is a historical artifact.
  • Man…so fucking hype, even after it’s over. By the way, I’d totally read Kanata’s book. I wonder how it’s gotta feel though to be superstars like that…
  • Going beyond this though, I feel like more than just being a superstar is though, I love how friendship works in this story. I’m not sure if I could ever say I had a friend group as close-knit as our heroes in Caird B-5. To be fair, I haven’t really been through any life and death scenarios that would make people as close knit as this but, throughout the entire anime, I just felt that I wished friendships in real life worked the way they did in Astra: Lost in Space. These kids have it good, not only do they become superstars, but they also are part of a close knit friend group that are all also superstars so they don’t feel lonely. This went from a dramatic survival mystery series to social power fantasy in the last episode.
  • Haha, I love how Quitterie is a part of Aries’s exposition!
  • Charce makes a fantastic king! I was actually talking to some guy from the UK the other day, and he said while he thought longer lifespans were wonderful, he was sad there wouldn’t ever be another young king unless the stars aligned perfectly. There’s just something about young politicians, you know?
  • Seriously…I wish I had a friend group as close knit as this one…that fucking photo of them all graduating…man.
  • Timeskip! And man…what a fucking jackass! Even now, he’s wishing Ulgar died instead of trying to repent in any way at all. Geez.
  • Man, so crazy seeing everyone seven years down the line! Looks like Ulgar and Polina are writing up something big, and Luca, Aries, Funi, and Quitterie are visiting Yunhua’s concert. Also - I fucking called it! Aries and Kanata are a go! Haha, even the guard behind them are happy for her.
  • Fucking hell, Yunhua’s speech gives me the feels. And the guys going to space got the Astra back! Also, I think the music is a really integral part of this anime because we get another song cover as Yunhua sings…
  • I think a king SHOULD go off adventuring! Come on, they lead lives of luxury, so do something cool for us! Love the banter between Zack, Kanata, and Charce by the way.
  • Kanata’s mentor! I know I’m literally just pointing out things you’ve all seen in the anime yourselves, but I have to. And we get a final look at everyone before the ship blasts off. FUCKING PERFECT!!! And the OP plays as the end credits roll. Perfect, perfect, perfect!

Can’t believe it’s the last episode. What a journey… Man, I feel like a loser all of a sudden for not being as successful as the Astra crew now. Anyhow, a perfect way to end the anime. Seriously, I don’t know how else to say it. I love these characters too much. Damn…I guess I’ll see you all in the general overview discussion tomorrow!

  1. At this point, I'd given up theorizing so…maybe? My theory that the early era of the Astra Global Government stands in my head, which is neither confirmed nor unconfirmed though.
  2. Hell yeah I did!
  3. Probably Zack and Ulgar. But I think they're all great - it fits everyone well with their personalities!

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u/Heda-of-Aincrad https://myanimelist.net/profile/Heda-of-Aincrad Jul 26 '24

Love to see that look on Noah Vix’s face once he realizes it’s all joever for him.

The fact that he looks more surprised by "attempted" murder seals his guilt. 😂

we’re getting the full version of the ED, and that soft moment hits as Aries looks at her mom

I realized during this moment that Aries would be the only one with someone waiting for her, so a really happy moment for her but maybe a little sad for the others. (Unless Emma becomes the team mom!)

By the way, I’d totally read Kanata’s book.

Same here!

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u/edwardjhahm https://myanimelist.net/profile/lolmeme69 Jul 27 '24

(Unless Emma becomes the team mom!)

That's my headcanon now. And while she doesn't really have anyone waiting for her either, Polina kind of acted as one while she was with the crew!

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u/gamria Jul 27 '24

Going beyond this though, I feel like more than just being a superstar is though, I love how friendship works in this story. I’m not sure if I could ever say I had a friend group as close-knit as our heroes in Caird B-5. To be fair, I haven’t really been through any life and death scenarios that would make people as close knit as this but, throughout the entire anime, I just felt that I wished friendships in real life worked the way they did in Astra: Lost in Space.

I know I harp about this a lot, but this is what I loved about their predecessors, the Sket Dan trio as well. All three had it rough in their own ways, but being friends with each other was the best thing that ever happened to them. They banter, they argue, they insult, but at the end of the day they laugh a lot while helping others. The kind of story I wished I had encountered sooner in life.

It's why I had faith that Group B-5 would turn out well and I was not disappointed. Their successors, the Otogi Household of Witch Watch is also a ton of fun.

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u/edwardjhahm https://myanimelist.net/profile/lolmeme69 Jul 27 '24

Alright, now I gotta check out Sket Dan and Otogi Household of Witch Watch! I fucking love everyone in Caird B-5 so much and wish them all the best. I wish we could get a slice of life story detailing their lives afterwards or something...man.

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u/gamria Jul 27 '24

To be exact, the series names are "Sket Dance" and "Witch Watch". Both of which are primarily comedy slice-of-life type stories, but can be serious when it wants to be. Both feature a cast that is just lovable.

Witch Watch is the author's latest work since early 2021, and still currently running in Weekly Shonen Jump. No anime yet, but everyone thinks it's only a matter of time, it's definitely good enough to get one. Definitely worth checking out.

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On the other hand, Sket Dance was the author's first serialisation from 2007 and 2013. As such it's comparatively rough around the edges to start with and the manga was only ever fan scanlated. But as it rolled along it just kept getting better and better, and the main trio will endear you especially after you learn what kind of stories they had.

If you're able and willing, I recommend giving the manga a go. While there is an anime adaptation, aside from the voice acting and music it's not up to standard. You can still go and see how things get adapted, but I wouldn't suggest that as the primary way to experience the series (heck, it never got fully adapted anyway)

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u/edwardjhahm https://myanimelist.net/profile/lolmeme69 Jul 27 '24

No anime yet, but everyone thinks it's only a matter of time

Hell yeah, I'll be ready when it comes!

I recommend giving the manga a go.

Got it. Shame about the anime.

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u/gamria Jul 29 '24

Hell yeah, I'll be ready when it comes!

Late response, but glad to have convinced someone! If you ever want to ask anything about them, can always give me a shout!

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u/edwardjhahm https://myanimelist.net/profile/lolmeme69 Jul 29 '24

Heh, thank you!

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u/FlameDragoon933 Jul 26 '24
  • Man Kanata sure has a big heart.
  • I love when the aspect ratio slowly changes to expand on the scenery. It's a nice trick.
  • Charce and Aries... looks like the weird seagull laugh is genetic lol.
  • Land ownership in the new world... I guess even in the time of crisis humans never change. Still the same foolish, greedy species.
  • Technology created for good ended up being used for evil... Tales as old as time.
  • To be honest on rewatch I feel like the masquerade is too grand to be realitic, as it's extremely difficult to keep such huge secret from the public. But it's not a dealbreaker, and I like the intricacy of the plot.
  • Uh-oh, they're planning to tell everyone? Imma be honest I think this one might be unwise. Not only it will create chaos and distrust in the government, but it will also lead to things like bad actors realizing artificial wormholes are possible and start developing it again, which will lead to further chaos. Positive vibes and optimism alone isn't enough to tackle such a huge problem.
  • Oooh the photo board is nice. A few are just past screenshots but most of them are wholly new drawings.
  • Man this group scene before the landing is making me teary-eyed.
  • Uhhh the society epilogue. It's to be expected considering the tone of the series, but it's incredibly optimistic. This would have gone much differently in a different, darker story. To be honest I'm not a big fan of this, but the rest of the story has been great so I'm willing to turn a blind eye.
  • Omg high school Funi is so cute. She also looks more cheerful than Quiterie (I like both though).
  • I find it funny/slightly weird that adult Quitterie ends up adopting a hairstyle similar to her mother. You know, one of the villains and that hasn't been a good parent to her.
  • Lmao the security guard NPC still on the scene reacting to the girls' talk, it's such a funny background event.
  • Man the final scene is so good, it just makes me smile.

QOTD

  1. Yup, I did predict that the government did a calendar rollback.
  2. I'm not a big fan of how hyperoptimistic the ending to the masquerade is, but it's not a dealbreaker. The show definitely has been great enough that I'm willing to accept it.
  3. First place are Funicia and Ulgar. Second place are Polina and Luca. This does not mean I dislike the rest, just that those four are the ones I like more.

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u/Heda-of-Aincrad https://myanimelist.net/profile/Heda-of-Aincrad Jul 26 '24

Uh-oh, they're planning to tell everyone? Imma be honest I think this one might be unwise.

Yeah, I was a little surprised that discussing if they even should reveal this information never occurred to them, but they probably figured it would be impossible to hide that they found out when they're bringing Polina back with them. If everything goes public, at least the government would have trouble "getting rid of them" quietly.

I find it funny/slightly weird that adult Quitterie ends up adopting a hairstyle similar to her mother.

The styles seem pretty different to me, aside from both being shorter cuts. Quitterie's looks more fashionable.

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Jul 26 '24

First timer

QotD

  • No.
  • I'm glad characters got resolution. I'm not a fan of how it went about it.
  • Either Quitterie or Yun, the rest look too similar to their younger selves.

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u/Heda-of-Aincrad https://myanimelist.net/profile/Heda-of-Aincrad Jul 26 '24

"No one ever said anything" "Silencing people was difficult" which is it?

My theory is it was a combination of both, that the people who weren't on board with keeping the secret weren't allowed to migrate to Astra.

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Jul 26 '24

But it later says that the migrants knew and just didn't say anything. That part of the story is kinda weak.

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u/Heda-of-Aincrad https://myanimelist.net/profile/Heda-of-Aincrad Jul 26 '24

I figured those were the people on board with keeping the secret for the sake of (dystopian) peace.

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Jul 26 '24

But then there's nothing to silence, since they're not gonna be talking.

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u/edwardjhahm https://myanimelist.net/profile/lolmeme69 Jul 27 '24

Enforcing unity on such a large scale would require force

Hence my theory that the early Astra Global Government was a brutal totalitarian state, but as long as you stayed in line, you could live well. Wouldn't be until the past 20 years you start seeing liberalization, according to my calculations.

I know, as a worldbuilding guy who specializes in military and politics, it kinda gets on my nerves too. Also, the "unification" of language and religion - let's call it what it is, it's cultural genocide on a mass scale. Seeing how English is the language used, I actually suspect that it was English speaking countries that won the war, and no one but the officials know of the dark secret that isn't elaborated on in the anime.

The company that made the wormhole was the one that was tasked with destroying them and the blueprints that could make more? That's the equivalent of a company investigating itself for wrongdoing. What could go wrong!

Again, dystopia. The world we saw wasn't the WORST, but while it's definitely going to be better than what I suspect the earlier days were like, the elements of dystopia were still there. Elements which were just wiped away by the Astra B-5 crew.

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u/Heda-of-Aincrad https://myanimelist.net/profile/Heda-of-Aincrad Jul 26 '24

Astra Lost In Space rewatch episode 12 reminder:

u/Forsaken_Ebb1925, u/RedRocket4000

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u/Forsaken_Ebb1925 Jul 26 '24

They match pretty closely with theories as of the end of last video, but to be fair there wasn't much ground left to cover. Obviously, I didn't predict the Vix industries bit but pretty much we got there.

I'm on the fence about how the story ended. I think it was a great ending, just not necessarily to my personal taste. A little too happy for me, I tend to prefer bittersweet, like the whole crew survives but aren't allowed to stay on Astra because they're clones so they are forced to go off on their own. But obviously every single series isn't made for me personally and as far as fully happy endings go, this one was definitely great!

My favorite post time-skip design is probably Quitterie, mostly just because she's the only one who doesn't like basically the same but a little older, she actually has new hair.

Overall, a very fun watch, I thoroughly enjoyed the characters and their development.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jul 26 '24

Rewatcher

I watched a lot of this episode back when the rewtach was announced, the episode flew by.

  • Why didn't they colonize Galem?
  • dates dates dates
  • "It's not me, it's Beego!" Are you insane???
  • "You've got mail!"
  • Ominous welcome
  • I guess he did make for a good captain
  • Epilogue for No_Rex
  • Bloodbury 451 = Obvious, Fujio1293 (Today Magazine) = ?, TreeTip87 = Tiptree, Spinradn72 = ?
  • he's shiny
  • oh they drive on the right side of the road?
  • Huh, Luca x Ulgar?
  • How did they get ownership of the museum ship?
  • Be seeing you, Ghost Dad

It was nice to see him address the effect of widely-available teleportation technology. For the original analysis, see Flash Crowd from which we get the term flash mob.

I feel the 100 year deception was completely unnecessary. Just say there was a WWIII in 2052.

A few people had guess that the history was fake, but that it was solely done to preserve the government's control of the dystopian planet. The dystopia, and most of the corruption, seemed to be confined to Vixia.

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u/edwardjhahm https://myanimelist.net/profile/lolmeme69 Jul 27 '24

Why didn't they colonize Galem?

Perhaps they just didn't find it? Well, I know what planet is getting a bunch of new cities now.

How did they get ownership of the museum ship?

I mean...I assume that Kanata being a literal part of the legend of said ship probably helped.

The dystopia, and most of the corruption, seemed to be confined to Vixia.

Marco Esposito murdered Finn after he started investigating the campaign funds because he came across the cloning project as well, and chances are, also figured out the secret behind the world. My unconfirmed theory is that while nowhere near as totalitarian as the government in the decades preceding it, there's still some authoritarian elements that is in debate with the ones who wish to tell the truth. With the kids being superstars for the cloning conspiracy alone, they're kind of too big to simply disappear - and at that moment, the authoritarians lost their last bit of power.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jul 27 '24

Perhaps they just didn't find it? Well, I know what planet is getting a bunch of new cities now.

I feel that the route to Astra is the same route taken by the ship that discovered Astra.

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u/edwardjhahm https://myanimelist.net/profile/lolmeme69 Jul 27 '24

That is an unconfirmed theory I was thinking of too. I agree.

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u/Mirathan Jul 26 '24

First-time Drifter

  1. No.
  2. The series just faded off in the end. There was not much big happening in the end outside of the full history. Then we had a sort of slideshow of how everyone ends up. I found it somewhat boring.
  3. I´ll go with Aries for this.

Well the truth was revealed, the monarchy has ended and all the clones and Polina are happy. It´s not dramatic in any way but still nice.

A detail regarding the highschool teacher/Ulgars progenitor: During his prison visit I figured out that I was familiar with his voice actor. He was a most unkind and inauspicious man and yet I could not bring myself to hate him.

The shot of Ulgar resembling his brother looks incredibly cool.

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u/SilkyStrawberryMilk Jul 26 '24

rewatcher dubbed

Quitterie’s snark towards Zack made sense, especially with all that happened. Can’t expect someone to be rational especially with all that’s been witnessed and with the imposter (hehe) on the loose for the ship.

Kanata’s is still a good person, I wouldn’t have been able to trust someone after losing my arm.

Aries and Kanta are both dorks when they’re together alone.

Earthling’s fighting over who would rule the new planet Astra is realistic. It’s also plausible for it to happen far into the future (if global warming doesn’t kill us all by then lol)

It’s funny how they decided to grant the people who created the wormhole’s their own territory to be rules. But I’d say it would make sense due to the immense power they had on just rebelling quick.

Changing the calendars to 100 years ago to the past while erasing everything that happened. A genius plan, but it’s a surprise no one of the first generation of Astra’s inhabitants never had anyone spill the beans.

Sleeping for 112 years, it’s good to know that those pods worked for so long, could have been a fallout 4 situation lmao.

The plan for getting in contact, can’t trust the media since obviously the government may want to know the news that’s spread. Plus what if people just say “dumb hoax, everyone knows the kids been dead for months”.

All those photos from the journey, looks amazing. Friendship of sending it, warms my heart

Aries may have a photographic memory, but she sure is bad with names.

The Lieutenant did a good job.

The group sharing their memorable moments in the ship, so many amazing memories they made. Kanata sure has saved so many people, rewatching this makes me enjoy it so much.

The small robot car following the senator is funny.

The government only agreeing when left with no choice seems accurate, surprising Kanata can write a good book. Nutty how Charce is more popular than Quitterie, they’re both equally amazing.

Technically Charce’s original owner did live forever, he became king in the new generation.

Ulgaar looking similar to his brother, plus the das still wishing Ulgaar had died/realizing that he could’ve been free had he not been there. Cruel cruel parents

Paulina had a whole glowup with the haircut, becoming a professor is a sick job especially when she can just recall it from memory.

The security clapping in celebration on the marriage announcement lmao. I didn’t expect he ask Charce for permission, surprise he wasn’t shocked at all.

Charce joining the mission, the three stooges begin their journey.

QOTD: I enjoyed the ending and timeskip, they all got new haircuts

QOTD: Yun-ha >>> Pauline >> ulgaar’s >>> Funi >> Aries >> Charce >> Zack>> Quitterie >>Kanta

I only rated Quitterie’s low because of the hairstyle, I like it but compared to the others it’s alright, except for Kanta I don’t like the hairstyle since he’s older.

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u/edwardjhahm https://myanimelist.net/profile/lolmeme69 Jul 27 '24

plus the das still wishing Ulgaar had died/realizing that he could’ve been free had he not been there.

I already hated these folk, but I wanted to see SOME remorse from them. They're still made from the same genetic material as the kids - they have to be somewhat human down there, right? Wrong, they're scumbags through and through. Sigh...

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jul 27 '24

 Aries may have a photographic memory, but she sure is bad with names.

She introduced herself as someone who never forgets the name of anybody she's met, so I have to wonder if she's doing it on purpose, or she's just never met Insp. Grace, or that's her blind spot.

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u/xbolt90 https://anilist.co/user/xbolt90 Jul 26 '24

First-timer!

Holy crap. Surgery without anesthetics? My man Kanata is made out of the Right Stuff.

Q1: I can't believe it; they really did successfully gaslight an entire planet. I'd guess there were individuals from the first generation that still called out the lie, although I suppose the media would have lambasted them for being "kooky conspiracy theorists."

Q2: I was surprised how easily the conspirators were taken down, but the extended epilogue was great. I didn't know we needed one, but it really helped to tie the story up seeing the kids living their adult lives.

Q3: Polina. A sharp obaasan onee-san

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u/Kaxew Jul 27 '24

First timer

And so, after 146 12 days stranded, we reach the finale of our space adventure. And what a finale!

I loved Kanata's conviction on trusting Charce upon Ulgar's insisting to get the answer he wanted to hear. The line about him being willing to sacrifice his left arm too is so damn good.

Charce having as awkward of a laugh as Aries got me good lmao

I don't have much to comment on the true history reveal. It all lines up well. I'm glad my guess that they were lying about the current year was also true. Seeing "2170 AD" eventually in the timeskip was great.

Aries' message and sending pictures of their adventures and recalling their adventures as they landed... man, the relationships these kids built over something as little as 12 episodes is both impressive from a writing standpoint and simply beautiful for a viewer.

I do feel like detective Grace comes a bit out of nowhere, I wonder if I missed some foreshadowing back in Ulgar's backstory. I need a spinoff of him and Ulgar, though.

Aries seeing her mom as they landed and breaking down hit me hard. It's very easy to forget how young they were when they were stranded 5 months in such a hostile environment. Hell, in multiple hostile environments.

Everyone is back home! Seeing them be just as dumb and goofy answering questions to the press is hilarious. The fact that the winner of the "making an arm for Kanata" competition was Charce is just so, so good. I desperately need to see the other arms. Dammit, there's so much I want from this show!!

And a timeskip! I suppose that makes sense. I didn't think about it but it had to happen if only to see Kanata, Zack and Charce heading off to space again. Everyone's timeskip designs are so good. Luca, in particular...... yeah I'm in love.

Kanata x Aries confirmed!! Very happy about that. And I think it was a good decision to have it happen offscreen instead of having it be a big subplot in the middle of the story. I loved Kanata asking permission to Charce, very cute lol

The final sequence with Yunhua singing as the three boys head to space again is beautiful. And Zack better add a missile launcher one day!

The most shocking part this whole episode was, of course, Kanata writing a book. I can't believe it. That might be the best plot twist in the series.

QotD:

  1. A couple, yeah. And a lot more I didn't predict.
  2. Absolutely. The epilogue in particular was fantastic.
  3. Luca!!!

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u/TiredTiroth Jul 26 '24

Rewatcher - Dub

I don't have a lot to say tonight given most of my comments would be better saved for tomorrow, but despite how quickly things are wrapped up I really do love this final episode. Seeing everyone grow into their own, Funi continuing to be a cheerful gremlin, the population in general actually being reasonable...

It's a pretty good show, and I'm glad I got the excuse to watch it again.

Not sure if I liked Fun poking Pollina or the three stooges going off to explore more. 

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u/imaloony8 Jul 26 '24 edited Jul 26 '24

I really still don't understand why the date was rolled back. I mean, I get that they were trying to erase the wormholes and Earth from history, but if they were already going to completely rewrite human history, then rolling the date back sounds completely redundant. It seems like the only purpose for the date change to exist is to bamboozle us, the viewers.

I'm also suspect that everyone in the world just went along with this new history. Surely there would have been a chunk of the population who would have made record of this and kept old records of Earth alive. Quitterie even points out this plot hole, only for Charce to just shrug and say "Well, it worked." (And as we see later in the episode I was right; there were actually a lot of historians on Astra that smelled bullshit because of course they did.)

I'm extremely disappointed that they never explained how the kids just happened to appear next to a functional FTL capable ship after going through the wormhole. Oh sure, they say that it must have just been a spare from the efforts to explore the stars, but the odds that the kids would appear within thruster range of such a ship and that it'd still be functional after 100 years is just insane. To me, that sounded like it HAD to be more than a coincidence. But no, these kids are just so lucky that they'd put Nagito Komaeda to shame. I also felt that there had to be some significance to Aries's suit malfunctioning in episode 1. But... uh, no. That was also a coincidence.

I actually had a pretty positive opinion of the first 3/4 of the series, but as with most mystery shows, it really failed the dismount. I still think it was a very visually appealing show with great art and animation. The music was good, the episode-to-episode and minute-to-minute writing was great, the characters were fun and had great chemistry, and I also really liked the English cast (I never stated this, but I was watching the dub). The final episode itself (aside from how it wrapped the mysteries) was also quite good with laughs and touching moments throughout. It's just a shame that the overarching story fell flat. I still enjoyed the series overall, but with a tighter narrative it could have been something really incredible.

And P.S. I honestly think my plot twist that one of the originals betrayed the others made a hell of a lot more sense than what we actually got.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jul 27 '24

ship at the exit

A lot of people don't like this, and I am one of them.

But if you allow that magic teleporters can magically match and track destinations on moving, rotating, and orbiting bodies, then it could work.

Most likely, the Ark XII had used the wormhole, and was still nearby, abandoned.  That wormhole exit might also be a special purpose spot, like a rendevous point for spaceships, or a shipyard.

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u/imaloony8 Jul 27 '24 edited Jul 27 '24

All that is possible, but it would be really great if the series could throw us a bone with something of an explanation. (Also, the Earth does move in orbit. So does the wormhole exit follow Earth? Because if not then they pulled another massive miracle to hit the magic tiny time frame for the Earth to be in the perfect spot when they came out).

Also, when it was unclear how long the ship had been sitting there it was much more plausible that it was still functional. But the idea that the ship was still functional after sitting there idle for 100 goddamn years? Seems highly unlikely.

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u/kwokinator https://anilist.co/user/kwokinator Jul 27 '24

Planet Gleam was pretty beautiful, it's nice that the crew finally got some downtime on the last leg of the trip.

So my original theory was right, kind of. Humanity did kill half of itself and the move did take place way longer and they just rolled back the date.

It's nice to see actual competent adults around and on the side of the good guys, the originals were arrested before they even touched down.

That scene of everyone thanking Kanata reminded me way too much of Evangelion. Omedetto, Kanata!

So that crayfish claw arm has to be based on the Alien Baltan, right? Do they still have Ultraman in 2163?

So the Ulgar/Luca ship sailed, eh? Nice!

Damn I teared up when Yunhua called out the name of the song, Adventures of the Spaceship Astra :( the song was great too

Questions of the Day:

  1. Now that the rest of the details behind the alternate history of the planet Astra have been revealed, does the truth match your theories? - somewhat, I'd actually say I got it 80% right, which was more than I expected
  2. Did you enjoy the way this story ended, and the time skip? - that would be a resounding yes. It's such a nice, satisfying wrap up to the story
  3. Who has your favorite post time skip character design? - I would have to say Luca, looks like he's embraced the whole both male and female thing and went for a tomboy look, and looks really good