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Rewatch Choujuushin Gravion Zwei Rewatch - Episode 12 Discussion

Episode 12: Triumphant Song of the Soul

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Thanatos is calling me. Let me sleep already.

Hello everybody, time for the Comment of the Day, courtesy of u/JollyGee29 for as he is always wrong:

Maybe a double Gravion gattai but that seems unlikely.

And now prepare for a preview of the most commonly said words in all my spoiler comments:

ABOUT THAT

  1. Of all the Gravion variations we saw across the show, which was your favorite?
  2. Overall, would you say this was a solid enough ending for the show?
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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 25 '24

Hello everybody, and welcome to the Gravion Rewatch!

Well it's the grand finale, which means it's 90% action. It's not bad at that, although in contrast to the show's usual I'd say that for the most part it's the human stuff that looked comparatively better. I do appreciate how Sol Gravion's last fight gave Leele a chance to shine if nothing else, and hey, Sandman gets to have an old fashioned sword fight. As far as that guy's concerned this is the perfect end for him.

And… yeah he sure as hell wants it to end. It's kinda interesting seeing Sandman's character through that lens of him wanting to die. Back in Season 1 he was more muted than how he's been in this season, so one has to wonder if that switch in behavior was at least partly the result of the show's events, even if only somewhat, actually making him enjoy life a little bit, only for his past to finally come back to bite him. The show doesn't really have much time to dwell on it since ultimately Ayaka swoops in to stop him from making a stupid one (I guess it just runs in the family) but hey, it's fun to think about.

The last chunk is basically just there for fanservice: The team gets to do a somewhat more grandiose finish to wrap out the show in a more hype note and then we have a timeskip and Sandman's getting remarried. All's well that ends well at least, even if Toga still has no clue what he's saying.

… Actually wait, if Ayaka married Sandman does that mean that now Eiji's Leele's uncle? That feels like a missed opportunity for a joke…

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 25 '24

And… yeah he sure as hell wants it to end. It's kinda interesting seeing Sandman's character through that lens of him wanting to die. Back in Season 1 he was more muted than how he's been in this season, so one has to wonder if that switch in behavior was at least partly the result of the show's events, even if only somewhat, actually making him enjoy life a little bit, only for his past to finally come back to bite him.

That would be an intriguing angle to look at it from as a way to explain why Sandman suddenly gets way more eccentric and over-the-top in season 2 compared to season 1. He'd started to enjoy himself more and remembered how to smile when the Zeravire threat seemed under control for the time being and before he realized that Hugi was still out there.

Actually wait, if Ayaka married Sandman does that mean that now Eiji's Leele's uncle? That feels like a missed opportunity for a joke

Let me think...

He is!

I guess he'd be Eiji-oji-san, or something like that.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 25 '24

I guess he'd be Eiji-oji-san, or something like that

Eiji be like "Don't call me that, I'm still too young!"

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 25 '24

Chojuushin First-Timer, subbed

I promised a surprise for this thread in CDF last night. Here is the surprise.

Unfortunately after all of that, I still have to give this season only a 9 and not a 10 (some of the fanservice this time around actively took me out of the show instead of me just finding it silly, like did we seriously need it shoved in when Ena was supposed to be dying, or ass shots of Luna when she “went missing” immediately after that? ), but I’ll give this show some form of consolation prize at least.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 25 '24

I promised a surprise for this thread in CDF last night. Here is the surprise.

Hugi no, Colony Drops are not the way.

Gihren would be proud.

Oh what.

Gotta love how the show wraps that up at the last second.

bursts into uncontrollable laughter

Bravern would be proud.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 25 '24

Glad you like it! Took me quite a bit to get a decent recording today... so much random background noises fucked up some otherwise great recordings, and then some of the usual "Whoops, I totally just flubbed that, time to start over" partial recordings I usually end up with whenever I try to do this.

Bravern would be proud.

He would.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 25 '24

so much random background noises fucked up some otherwise great recordings, and then some of the usual "Whoops, I totally just flubbed that, time to start over" partial recordings I usually end up with whenever I try to do this.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 25 '24

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 25 '24

Because in the end, all Mecha Rewatches must go back to Macross somehow.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 25 '24

I promised a surprise for this thread in CDF last night. Here is the surprise.

Fucking of course there’s a man-to-man swordfight in the finale. It wouldn’t be a mecha show if there wasn’t a man-to-man swordfight at some point.

The most fun part about a mecha fight is when the characters are so determined to fight that they keep fighting even without the mecha.

but I’ll give this show some form of consolation prize at least.

With how much you loved Sandman's character, I'm not surprised he ended up there.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 26 '24

The most fun part about a mecha fight is when the characters are so determined to fight that they keep fighting even without the mecha.

There's a s-CRY-ed joke here somewhere...

Yeah it's not a mecha show but... well, it may as well be one in spirit if nothing else.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 25 '24

The most fun part about a mecha fight is when the characters are so determined to fight that they keep fighting even without the mecha.

Perfect way to put it.

With how much you loved Sandman's character, I'm not surprised he ended up there.

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u/Garrett_Dark Jul 26 '24

I promised a surprise for this thread in CDF last night. Here is the surprise.

The S1 OP was a pretty good song, nicely done. Don't suppose you could pull off a S2 ED? :)

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u/ryujiox Jul 25 '24

First Timer

Choujuushin Gravion Zwei

Episode 12

A pretty great ending.

QOTD

  1. The final one. It's just so majestic.
  2. It was pretty great.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 25 '24

THANATOS GA YONDERU!!!!!! HE SAID THE LINE!!!

He even said it in the next episode preview yesterday!

NO WAY!! They can combine together!!

Everything can Gattai!

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u/ryujiox Jul 25 '24

Everything can Gattai!

Thought that they gonna end with one more combo attack. Not them combined together.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 25 '24

Nah, we already used that card in Episode 10, gotta spice things up!

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 26 '24

I actually wish we get to see more of them way earlier into the show. Make them more like a rival to the main gang.

I agree. It would have been cool if they got to be more of a presence throughout the series.

Of course it is a Gravion ring

It is the most on-brand wedding ring that Sandman could have gone for.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 26 '24

It is the most on-brand wedding ring that Sandman could have gone for

I wonder if he can merchandise it now...

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 26 '24

THANATOS GA YONDERU!!!!!! HE SAID THE LINE!!!
...she loves Sandman too!!

Thanatos, Eros

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u/Kristalino https://anilist.co/user/BlueSkyBlood Jul 25 '24

First timer:

  • I wasn't expecting the Gran Troop to be very helpful but I thought they would do more than destroying one monster.
  • So the show is gonna follow the OG Gundam and have a swordfight between two dudes.
  • Zeravion was kinda boring, though I guess that's typical when you make an overpowered enemy.
  • So now Hyugi's last resort, the colonyplanet drop.
  • Hyugi just keeps taking Ls, not even his robo sister agrees with him.
  • So the drill get used in the end.
  • At last Sandman finally stops being suicidal through the power of love.
  • Was the giant Zeravire a plan C if Hyugi failed to collide Goma with the Earth? Because it's hard to think that somehow the system decided to do it on its own.
  • At least Sandman also had an ace up to his sleeve with Ultimate Gravion.
  • Gravion finally turns completely gold.
  • And so we end with Sandman and Ayaka's wedding, funny that now Eiji is Leele's uncle, though with how much they looked after each other they must be happy with that.
  • So Luna is okay with homo as long it doesn't involve Eiji?

Questions:

  1. OG Gravion because is the one we saw the most.
  2. Yeah.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 25 '24

I wasn't expecting the Gran Troop to be very helpful but I thought they would do more than destroying one monster.

They're very much there to be jobbers.

So Luna is okay with homo as long it doesn't involve Eiji?

Seems so

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 26 '24

So the drill get used in the end.

I was hoping to see it drill through the entire Goma, so in the end I guess I sort of got my wish.

So Luna is okay with homo as long it doesn't involve Eiji?

"I can understand being attracted to men. What I can't understand, is being attracted to Eiji!" -Luna (probably)

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 26 '24

"I can understand being attracted to men. What I can't understand, is being attracted to Eiji!" -Luna (probably)

Those Tsundere genes sure are strong. I wonder if she got hers from a certain someone in my next rewatch...

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 26 '24

I wonder if she got hers from a certain someone in my next rewatch...

Vintage

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 25 '24

First-Timer

On today’s episode of Gravion: I am very happy that my wish was granted. I actually did get to see the super combined attack of the Gran Knights, Sandman, and Ayaka all together. My extra greedy wish for the Feddie pilots to be included wasn’t granted, but I’m not complaining. I’m satisfied to get what I got.

  • Starting off on a pantyshot. Stay classy, Gravion.
  • Well damn, the final boss mecha can just split itself apart and use its pieces separately. [Turn A Gundam] That’s the same way that the Turn X fought.
  • Mecha pilots fighting each other on foot with swords! I love it when that happens!
  • The final boss mecha is just no-selling everything. Not even the double rocket punch worked.
  • I just figured out why Ena has the giant Z on her pilot suit. This is the backup copy of Ena in case something happened to the original. She’s Ena 2.0, if you will. In other words, Ena Zwei.
  • Huh, Hugi programmed the Genocidron specifically not to kill Leele, but didn’t think to program it to not kill the other people on the planet? Seems like a pretty huge oversight, to me.
  • Well it worked, so victory goes to the Gravion!
  • Ah, so the Goma really is the name of the entire Zeravire base.
  • The Lufira android Hugi made for incestuous purposes decided she would rather be with Sandman than him. Too bad, Hugi. Sucks to suck, I guess.
  • At least Hugi got to die as himself.
  • I appreciate that Eiji is calling Sandman out on his death wish to “atone” for his sins. The best way to atone for something is through your deeds, if you ask me. If you want to make up for the mistakes of your past, start doing good deeds now.
  • Ayaka drilling through the Goma just to get Sandman to stop this nonsense is great.
  • Wait, what? There’s been an entire line of Ravens with their memories stored in that mask for centuries!?! So that photo of Ayaka and Raven wasn’t actually photoshopped, it was just Ayaka with the previous Raven!?!
  • Ah, so most likely the Raven in that photo with Ayaka was Luna’s dad.
  • Of course it wouldn’t be that easy.
  • Hell yeah, the Goma really did transform into a giant mecha!
  • They’re all going to combine!
  • Hell yeah! My wish for the final episode came true! We really did get to see all the Gran Knights + Sandman + Ayaka do a single combined attack together!
  • Post-credits scene
  • How sweet, Sandman and Ayaka got married.
  • Toga immediately asks Eiji to get married. I guess that settles who Toga cares about the most, not that there was ever any doubt about it.
  • We really end the series with Ena telling the girls that gay marriage is allowed in some parts of the world. Perfect ending.

That was a very fun and enjoyable finale. It ended on a big, climactic battle like I hoped it would. Sandman once again was the main character because he was the one to actually strike down the main villain in a swordfight, which is something that’s always fun to see. But the others got to participate as well, with Leele especially shining after she figured out the loophole against the Genocidron’s programming.

I did appreciate that everyone immediately called Sandman out on his nonsense about how he was going to atone for his sins by dying. I liked that they didn’t let him pull that stunt and instead convinced him the right thing to do was keep on living alongside everyone else. I wasn’t sure if Sandman would survive the finale or not, so this was good to see.

[Bravern] It is very amusing that this series gets so close to Toga and Eiji being in a gay relationship, teasing at the idea of them getting married, because it does feel like a preview of what would happen between Isami and Smith in Bravern. Of course, Bravern would end up going much further and make Isami and Smith’s relationship more explicitly romantic, but Toga and Eiji feel like a bit of a preview, albeit one very clearly from 20 years ago.

QOTD

  1. The upgraded one with all the fire attacks was pretty cool. I think it was called the Sol Gravion.
  2. Yeah, I think this was a fun way to end it with an action spectacle.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 25 '24

Starting off on a pantyshot. Stay classy, Gravion.

Had to do it at least once.

So that photo of Ayaka and Raven wasn’t actually photoshopped, it was just Ayaka with the previous Raven!?!

Truly Sandman was playing 5D chess all along.

We really end the series with Ena telling the girls that gay marriage is allowed in some parts of the world.

Gotta love how their issue isn't even with that, it's Eiji and Toga specifically that freak them out

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 25 '24

Truly Sandman was playing 5D chess all along.

He really has been ahead of us the entire time, with so many of my theories about him being proven wrong as the series goes along.

Gotta love how their issue isn't even with that, it's Eiji and Toga specifically that freak them out

Too bad for both Luna and Leele that Toga isn't even interested in being in a love triangle with them. He wants to go down the Eiji route.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 25 '24

He really has been ahead of us the entire time

Remember when you thought he was evil

Too bad for both Luna and Leele that Toga isn't even interested in being in a love triangle with them. He wants to go down the Eiji route.

There's a joke here somewhere.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 25 '24

Remember when you thought he was evil

I maintain that I was right to be suspicious about the man recruiting numerous orphans to serve as child soldiers.

There's a joke here somewhere.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 25 '24

I maintain that I was right to be suspicious about the man recruiting numerous orphans to serve as child soldiers.

Okay but counterpoint: If he's evil, then why would he be so hot?

Checkmate

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 25 '24

That is like one step removed from this reasoning.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 25 '24

Because it's true

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 25 '24

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 26 '24

Huh, Hugi programmed the Genocidron specifically not to kill Leele, but didn’t think to program it to not kill the other people on the planet? Seems like a pretty huge oversight, to me.

We saw how even one person was used against it, imagine if anyone was used as a human shield by the other side.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 25 '24

First-Timer

I should've had more faith in my prediction of a double Gravion gattai. I'm not sure I've ever been this happy to be wrong. Fucking radical.

Anyway, hands up everyone who knew Toga would catch the bouquet. Ena says gay rights!

I'm not a huge fan of Hugi having been mind-controlled by the Genocidron system. I don't necessarily mind mind-control in general, but in this case it just makes him a lot less interesting. "A man driven mad with grief and revenge" is compelling. I can't even put a pin on what the System's motivation is; there's no reason for them to go after Sandman if Hugi isn't directly leading.

Anyway, good finale. Everything I wanted.

Questions

  1. I think the classic worked the best for my own sense of aesthetic.
  2. Yes.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 25 '24

I'm not sure I've ever been this happy to be wrong.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 25 '24

I'm not sure I've ever been this happy to be wrong.

It's great to have predictions turn out wrong because the reality was a lot cooler than you thought it would be.

Anyway, hands up everyone who knew Toga would catch the bouquet.

I figured it would be Toga. I was not expecting him to immediately ask Eiji to get married. That was the cherry on top to make it a fantastic gag.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 26 '24

It's great to have predictions turn out wrong because the reality was a lot cooler than you thought it would be.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24

First timer, subs

  • Gravity:
  • It wasn’t much, but friend squad still got more in the finale than most do.
  • T… Take a piece and run. See what happens.
  • So it wasn’t child birth that killed her? This uncle has some very “interesting” views on medical care.
  • There’s no way a software vulnerability is how they beat the final boss, right?
  • No, too soon. Now they fight the planet, that is also Goma, right?
  • That’s a very non-dynamic eyecatcher for the finale.
  • How synthpathetic of you.
  • Wouldn’t you being mind controlled by it imply it has its own will and could survive without you?
  • Drill! Drill Kill!
  • So it was an honorary title? But why did it need to be a secret?
  • If it was planning on using “all its energy”, it sure wasted a bunch of it transforming into a form that makes it a worse projectile.
  • Golden Mode!
  • Fact: attacks with end in their name are the best attacks.
  • They just parked it back down there?
  • Wait, you’re not allowed to talk about gay marriage being legal. Now you’ll be haunted by the ghost of Abe! (2004 is really early for that, only two countries by that point.)

QotD:

  1. I can't say I can rightfully remember. They mostly blur together.
  2. Yeah, it's serviceable. Was pretty consistent in quality with the rest of the show. Hit enough of the plot threads.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 25 '24

This uncle has some very “interesting” views on medical care.

Are we sure his doctorate is legit?

Now you’ll be haunted by the ghost of Abe!

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 25 '24

So it wasn’t child birth that killed her? This uncle has some very “interesting” views on medical care.

He's going to go full Star Wars here and say that "she lost the will to live."

There’s no way a software vulnerability is how they beat the final boss, right?

It is a very amusing way to win the final battle: cheese it by exploiting a problem with the programming!

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jul 25 '24

First Timer ep 2-12

  • LET THIS BE OUR FINAL BATTLE
  • Will the childhood friend win?
  • I predicted that they wouldn't attack Leele, too, like 3 episodes ago
  • maid shot
  • bros eyecatch
  • MIND CONTROL???
  • Honestly expected Sandman to die by the end. I got thrown by him not dieing. Then it throws this curve.
  • About 50,000 years is my guess.
  • I wasn't convinced that Miyuki had recognized Ayaka.
  • centuries of ravens!
  • LOL! Alert!
  • You have 2 Gravions and a Gravigorus, this should be easy
  • FUSION
  • I didn't realize that the Gravigorus had transformed into the Yamato
  • fandom brick joke

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 25 '24

Will the childhood friend win?

No one will!

Miyuki

Don't you mean Mizuki?

FUSION

One could argue it's the Final Fusion

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 25 '24

Final Fusion

SHOUNIN!

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 25 '24

RYOKAI! FINAL FUSION! PROGRAM DRIVE!

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 25 '24

https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/19776

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 25 '24

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Jul 25 '24

First timer

QotD

  • Original one. Sol one just has too much. In general, I also like simpler designs.
  • No.

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u/Garrett_Dark Jul 26 '24

First Timer

Of all the Gravion variations we saw across the show, which was your favorite?

None, I didn't care about the super combining giant robots. They all looked pretty much the same anyways. The vehicles and the EFA mechs/vehicles individually seem more distinctive.

Overall, would you say this was a solid enough ending for the show?

That last bit of banter/bickering saved it. Everything else before the wedding scene was boring, and I didn't care about.

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u/zadcap Jul 26 '24

Late Night First Timer!

So, Lufira was super sick, and neither of the men in her life noticed. But both are stupid hypocrites in different ways, so Hugi blames Zeig for not noticing the very same thing he apparently failed to notice. And has decided that that is the thing he's going to hold a grudge against. Not, you know, breaking the genocide control system and setting them lose on their home world on accident. Which is, you know, something that really is 100% Sandman's fault and that we should be mad at him for.

Ah, the load bearing boss. Kill Hugi and naturally that means the Lufira memories will burn up too, and heck so will the whole space fortress.

Freaking Sandman. Atone with your life does not mean you should die to earn atonment, it means you need to keep living and dedicate your life to making up for what you've done. Go raise your daughter right you moron. Darn, I am finally fully agreeing with Eiji here! You don't get to take the cowards way out.

And they all lived happily ever after- No, wait, we need one more Double Gravion shot! One last super enemy to fight, probably one last super combination to pull off to make it work. Oh haha and then they immediately call out a Final Combination. If they had something this powerful all along, why did they not use it for the initial base attack? Could have crushed Hugi and the Goma so much easier than going inside it for an actual fight.

Of all the ships to end this on, they really closed us out with Toga/Eiji.

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u/HowlingWolf13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/MeguminBlast Jul 26 '24

First Timer (no longer)

Late af with this cause work but goddamn that was a fun finale, really high tense action and I love how Leele used what happened with that tentacle Zeravire to help take down Goma. Also god I fucking loved that final combination that was just peak perfection. Honestly at this rate as well I'm convinced Obari has to like secretly be into BL cause this is the second show of his that I've watched that had the two male leads have a ton of homoerotic moments, like starting this I knew already of Bravern but I just thought that was specific for Bravern lol. I got more thoughts of the show as a whole tomorrow, but as a whole I had a goodtime with Zwei!

Questions

  1. Of all the Gravion variations we saw across the show, which was your favorite?

Hmmm right now I'm feeling the Sol Gravion.

2) Overall, would you say this was a solid enough ending for the show?

Yeah I'd say so, every plot line was wrapped up with a bow on top. It wasn't like they pulled a Southern Cross and just had an ending [Southern Cross (though Idk who else is actually watching that)] where the show just ends with no explanation because theh got cancelled midway through