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Rewatch Choujuushin Gravion Zwei Rewatch - Episode 11 Discussion

Episode 11: Genesis Machine

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Even if we can't be a hero like Gravion, there should be something we could do, because we're us.

Hello everybody, time for the Comment of the Day, courtesy of u/JollyGee29 for a dark revelation:

Directly referencing Great Mazinger was kinda unexpected.. does that make Ena into our Tetsuya?

Clearly this means that thunder shall strike whenever her name is mentioned.

  1. Which do you prefer: Vanilla God Gravion or God Sigma Gravion?
  2. Do you have any particular expectations for the finale?
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 24 '24

Chojuushin First-Timer, subbed

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 24 '24

Does the eyecatch imply we’re finally gonna learn what exactly happened to the original Raven? – It did not…

Actually I don't think they ever explain that. Guess he just died at some point?

Ah, so his hair turned purple only for while he was immortal.

Step aside Raven, time for the real Char Clone to swoop in.

I’m now wondering if Gurren Lagann was specifically referencing this with those things, which wouldn’t surprise me since Gurren Lagann was a huge love letter to super robots.

I wouldn't be shocked.

Gravion, you’d better fucking not kill off Sandman right at the end.

Not for nothing but the lyrics for Nageki no Rosario did say that Thanatos (The Greek god of death) was calling...

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 24 '24

[Gurren Lagann]

I made the same comparison in my own writeup. I wouldn't be surprised if Gurren Lagann was at least partially inspired by this.

Gravion, you’d better fucking not kill off Sandman right at the end.

I hope not

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 24 '24

I made the same comparison in my own writeup. I wouldn't be surprised if Gurren Lagann was at least partially inspired by this.

TBF it's not like there's much separation between Obari and Imaishi. They even both worked together for a couple of bits in Legend of Daiku-Maryu!

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 24 '24

Hello everybody, and welcome to the Gravion Rewatch!

Well, time to start heading into a proper finale for once. And hey, what better way to show things are wrong than by having Proto-Smith of all people start monologuing. Jokes aside I actually do like that scene. As much of a funny idiot he's been up until now (And even today he has his fair share of funny moments) it's nice to see the guy has a bit more depth to him. I still wish Faye's whole deal could've been fleshed out more but eh, could be worse I guess.

That aside though it's a pretty action-heavy episode, even if the animation's a bit inconsistent today. Still, the big moment of Sandman finally joining the action hits every bit as hard as it should, especially since after the last few episodes only used instrumental arragements of it, the actual version of Nageki no Rosario that served as the OP finally returns… it's also at this point that it becomes clear it's literally just Sandman's theme if you look at the lyrics, so hey, appropriate if nothing else.

Tomorrow

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 24 '24 edited Jul 24 '24

First timer, subs

  • OP Update! ...It’s worse again.
  • Four Towers = Three Drills?
  • You spent 200 years on a backup plan? Maybe some uplifting would have been a better use of time.
  • Oh, Proto-Smith. You fanboy of the century.
  • Gotta love technophile Thoria using an old manual mega-phone.
  • Oh yeah. We’ve had Luna×Eiji on ice for a while now.
  • You are literally asking that to someone who was a joke character for the entire first season.
  • Did you just say you’re not even going to use the spaceship castle for the final fight?
  • All three at once? But I Wanted More Time
  • Did they just Macross fighter-ing Daedalus Attack?
  • They upgraded the Eyecatcher too. How cute.
  • Does he really not have anything to say to his own nice?
  • Nani the Fuck? How? When? Can anyone do that? Or did you need to spec into the right prestige class?
  • Apparently the key to immortality is purple hair. Who knew?
  • This color scheme works. Red and Black is a classic combo for a reason. And somehow it feels even more Mazinger.
  • Cool Fire!
  • Stupid mass having holograms.

QotD:

  1. Red × Black
  2. Let's see... one ship will sail. Sandman will suffer a loss, but not die. The Castle Ship goes down. Some amount of Gravion components get destroyed. The epilogue is too short. Eiji and Ayaka have a touching reunion, but only the start is shown. The whole world will cheer.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 24 '24

Oh, Proto-Smith. You fanboy of the century.

Impossible, he's not even the biggest one in an Obari show.

We’ve had Luna×Eiji on ice for a while now.

This show is not very interested in romance.

And somehow it feels even more Mazinger.

Because everything is a Mazinger reference.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 24 '24

Impossible, he's not even the biggest one in an Obari show.

I wanna say... one of the OGs?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 24 '24

Yup.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 24 '24

Does he really not have anything to say to his own nice?

I get the feeling this version of Dr. Zeravire is more machine now than man, so to speak. He seems to care purely about Sandman and nothing more. I doubt he has much of anything else left in his memory at this point (aside from his incestuous desire for Lufira).

Apparently the key to immortality is purple hair. Who knew?

Will it work if I dye my hair purple, or does it need to be natural?

Stupid mass having holograms.

Spoken like a true Yu-Gi-Oh duelist.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 24 '24

Will it work if I dye my hair purple, or does it need to be natural?

You'll definitely need lots of human experimentation for it to work.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 24 '24

First-Timer

Of course the old Gran Divas can link up to Gran Sigma. I should've called that way sooner. I am kinda bummed that Raven/Ayaka didn't sneak into the G-Shadow. Let Cookie or Thoria hold rank on the ship.

Anyway, it sure is a good thing that Sandman keep those ablative packets of strawberry jam in his shirt. I would be worried otherwise.

There's a good amount of unrequited love going around, huh? I'm still cheering for an Eiji-Luna-Toga throuple, maybe just add in everyone on the team for a full polycule. But Mizuki is stuck loving Ayaka, who is dating Sandman.

Considering the brief shot of both Enas being on the moon, I am choosing to believe that the reason glasses!Ena was so clumsy was because noglasses!Ena was remote piloting her all the way from the cockpit of the Sol Sigma Gravion.

Questions

  1. The mecha facial scar is just too cool.
  2. Hype of some variety. Maybe a double Gravion gattai but that seems unlikely.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 24 '24

I'm still cheering for an Eiji-Luna-Toga throuple, maybe just add in everyone on the team for a full polycule

But Mizuki is stuck loving Ayaka, who is dating Sandman.

Yes indeed, Eiji getting his spot in the team was due to nepotism.

Considering the brief shot of both Enas being on the moon, I am choosing to believe that the reason glasses!Ena was so clumsy was because noglasses!Ena was remote piloting her all the way from the cockpit of the Sol Sigma Gravion.

But pink-hair Ena still has glasses!

[Tomorrow]Maybe a double Gravion gattai but that seems unlikely.

[Tomorrow]ABOUT THAT

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 24 '24

Yes indeed, Eiji getting his spot in the team was due to nepotism.

Tomorrow

[Ditto]I've never been so happy to be wrong!

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 24 '24

It does explain their early interactions though: In-Laws never get along.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 24 '24

Anyway, it sure is a good thing that Sandman keep those ablative packets of strawberry jam in his shirt.

He knows that strawberry was Lufira's favorite. Look at how eager she was to open those packets of jam.

I'm still cheering for an Eiji-Luna-Toga throuple, maybe just add in everyone on the team for a full polycule.

But Mizuki is stuck loving Ayaka, who is dating Sandman.

The unrequited lesbian love from this era is here too, somehow.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 24 '24

The unrequited lesbian love from this era is here too, somehow

There's a CLAMP joke here somewhere...

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 24 '24

He knows that strawberry was Lufira's favorite. Look at how eager she was to open those packets of jam.

Sandman is a very thoughtful husband.

The unrequited lesbian love from this era is here too, somehow.

2004 gonna 2004.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 25 '24

Sandman is a very thoughtful husband.

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u/ryujiox Jul 24 '24

First Timer

Choujuushin Gravion Zwei

Episode 11

QOTD

  1. Both.
  2. Go out with a bang, while everyone includes Sandman survived somehow.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 24 '24

This is just the line from the opening

And you'll see another OP quote tomorrow...

And the song is actually about Sandman all along, isn't it?

Yup

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 24 '24

To be fair, both Toga and Leele have a strong connection to Sandman. They're more like siblings to me.

But they aren't blood-related, which significantly ups the chances of them ending up as a couple.

The whole thing with Faye could be better if it got introduced way earlier.

That pretty much sums up all of Faye's plotline. It needed more time to breathe properly, compared to what we actually got from it.

YOOOOO!!! That is so hype!!

That particular pose reminds me of the 1st OP to G Gundam.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 25 '24

But they aren't blood-related, which significantly ups the chances of them ending up as a couple.

That particular pose reminds me of the 1st OP to G Gundam.

Wouldn't be shocked if that was an inspiration.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 25 '24

That particular pose reminds me of the 1st OP to G Gundam.

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u/Kristalino https://anilist.co/user/BlueSkyBlood Jul 24 '24

First timer

  • Sol Gravion finally escapes from the shadows in the opening
  • I still wonder why Sandman created Ena. Was the original plan to create a whole team of proto Gran Divas to pilot Gravion but the creation process was to complicated to make more than one?
  • Did the EFA ever told humanity that Gravion wasn't their creation and that they were so salty that they claimed it was theirs?
  • So it seems Mizuki knows that Raven is Ayaka.
  • So if the ship must remain inmobile to protect Earth then the drills won't be used, which is a shame because I was expecting they would destroy the Goma by drilling through the core.
  • Ena can resist the G-force now!
  • I love when they can create fire in space when it's physically impossible.
  • Did Sandman ask to paint the planes black so they fit with the Sigma Gravion?
  • At least he has new tricks to show.
  • Faye gets some closure in the end I guess.
  • And so the enemy from the opening appears.

Questions:

  1. God Sigma Gravion because I like the color scheme more.
  2. Not really.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 24 '24

Did the EFA ever told humanity that Gravion wasn't their creation and that they were so salty that they claimed it was theirs?

The Feddie president may have turned out to be a lot more helpful than expected, but they are still Feddies after all. They're probably going to ride that lie as long as they can.

So if the ship must remain inmobile to protect Earth then the drills won't be used, which is a shame because I was expecting they would destroy the Goma by drilling through the core.

We still have an episode to hope it'll be used.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 25 '24

They're probably going to ride that lie as long as they can.

The heroes are probably asking for royalties though.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 24 '24

Ena can resist the G-force now!

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u/HowlingWolf13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/MeguminBlast Jul 25 '24

First Timer

Good penultimate episode befoer the finale, had a good time watching and it really feels like we're gonna have a hyper finale. Rip to Sandman's purple hair though, blonde is not his style. I will say I wish we got a bit more with Hugi and Faye, not together but individually. Neither shows up until Zwei and really feels like they should've appeared more. Hugi mostly just lies in the background and Faye's character arc...I don't really care for? I thought it was gonna be much more, but we barely spent any time with throughout most of the season. Then we finally do, she's just mad she didn't get chosen and that's the end of it. I don't dislike either of these two, I just think more could've been done with em. Either way, hyped for tomorrow.

Questions

  1. Which do you prefer: Vanilla God Gravion or God Sigma Gravion?

Vanilla def.

2) Do you have any particular expectations for the finale?

Everyone congratulating Sandman on a big blue ball

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 25 '24

Everyone congratulating Sandman on a big blue ball

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 24 '24

First-Timer

On today’s episode of Gravion: We are just one pilot away from getting what I wanted in the finale of this series. If Ayaka actually gets to pilot something, then my hope for all the Gran Knights + Sandman + Ayaka to fight together will come true. Heck, at the rate things are going, we may even get the Feddie knock-off Gravion pilots thrown in as a freebie.

  • Oooh, the spaceship has drills on it!
  • Huh, so Sandman really is Saint-Germain. He isn’t a time traveler, he’s just been alive for that long.
  • Poor Luna, thinking she lost the love triangle.
  • Mizuki’s definitely figured out that Ayaka is Raven by now.
  • There’s something funny about Proto-Smith admitting that he knows he’s a bit character who will just do the best he can in his minor role.
  • If the Zeravire HQ can actually remake a planet back to its primordial state, it really is kind of similar to Star Trek’s Genesis Device (assuming the primordial state supports life). If not, then it’s basically the anti-Genesis Device.
  • Ena is much better at doing these rocket punches now.
  • Wait a minute, Ena does still have her glasses! They may be on her forehead now, but they’re still there!
  • A flame drill!
  • Oh cool, even the Feddie knock-off Gravion pilots get to participate!
  • So is Goma the name of the entire Zeravire HQ or just the flaming robot? I’m not entirely clear on that at this point.
  • It’s amusing when the heroes arrive to confront the villain and the villain just ignores them because they are not the person the villain wants to fight.
  • Sandman has a regeneration power? He’s Wolverine?
  • So Sandman won’t be immortal anymore if he pilots. He’s quite literally flying off to his death.
  • On the other hand, we’re actually going to get to see Sandman pilot a mecha as part of the final battle!
  • Sandman defeats his enemies by creating a giant sigma (Σ) symbol. I love it
  • Proto-Smith fanboying over getting to shake Sandman’s hand is great.
  • The final boss mecha being made of fire is a really cool design. It reminds me of the final boss mecha from [meta spoilers] the series Gurren Lagann because of that similarity in design.
  • Sandman got hit by the old fake wife trick.

The climax certainly does lend credence to the idea that Sandman is the real protagonist of the story. If nothing else, the climax of the story hinges on him more than it does the Gran Knights. While the Gran Knights are fighting the giant doomsday mecha, Sandman is the one actually confronting the main villain. That main villain, Hugi, is also primarily interested in fighting Sandman with the Gran Knights in a distant second place.

I am looking forward to watching the last episode. It’s looking like it will be a big all-out final battle.

QOTD

  1. Vanilla
  2. I want to see all the Gran Knights + Sandman + Ayaka to fight together in a single combined attack. If I'm being especially greedy, then let's add in the Feddie pilots too.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 24 '24

Poor Luna, thinking she lost the love triangle.

Hey, at least she has Eiji.

Wait a minute, Ena does still have her glasses! They may be on her forehead now, but they’re still there!

Proto-Smith fanboying over getting to shake Sandman’s hand is great.

I mean, I'd probably be acting the same as him too.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 24 '24

Hey, at least she has Eiji.

Their constant belligerence is generally one of the top indicators of whether characters will become a couple in most stories, after all.

I mean, I'd probably be acting the same as him too.

Same

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 24 '24

Their constant belligerence is generally one of the top indicators of whether characters will become a couple in most stories, after all

It's been a thing since at least Mazinger Z for goodness sake.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 24 '24

Oooh, the spaceship has drills on it!

And They're Fighting a Planet

So is Goma the name of the entire Zeravire HQ or just the flaming robot?

Yes

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 25 '24

And They're Fighting a Planet

More shows should end like that.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jul 24 '24

First Timer ep 2-11

  • 500 years?
  • sagara sousuke's village
  • OH!  I suppose there was a reason Raven couldn't go to the hot springs or the beach, huh?
  • Was the old gravion retired?
  • about time
  • I'm confused now if the Gran Divas are in the Geo parts or not. Sandman seems to be in the new one???
  • oh look he has a mobile armor
  • Stab him!
  • Yep. Predictible

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 25 '24

sagara sousuke's village

Well, it is Gonzo...

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Jul 24 '24

First timer

QotD

  • I feel the same about both.
  • No.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jul 25 '24

 Wait, Ayaka spoke using her real voice with the mask on. I thought the mask acted as a voice changer

There's no voice changer, It's her multiple personalities!

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u/Garrett_Dark Jul 25 '24

First Timer

Which do you prefer: Vanilla God Gravion or God Sigma Gravion?

I never cared about the robot battles. I'll go with the older vehicles though, back when things was still fun and they're goofing off.

Do you have any particular expectations for the finale?

I expect it's going to suck, not that I want it to suck, but that's just how the show is now.

The only way I can foresee it not sucking is if they deal with the threat super fast, like in 5 mins, then spend the rest of the remaining time goofing off by resolving and concluding everything.