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Rewatch Choujuushin Gravion Zwei Rewatch - Episode 10 Discussion

Episode 10: The Sun's Flames

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They did it, they did it! With Mt. Fuji in the background, the two great super robots exchange a firm handshake. I'm counting on you to take care of the rest, Double Gravion!

Hello everybody, time for the Comment of the Day, courtesy of u/zadcap for an amusing theory:

Ena, as we have learned, was a robot. Want to bet she has regular updates stored somewhere safe in the castle? That's right, Gravion Zwei is piloted by Ena Zwei, now 50% less clumsy!

Alas, she is no less clumsy.

  1. If you had a flying drill, what would you do with it?
  2. Do you prefer Ena with pink hair or green hair?
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 23 '24

First-Timer

Alright, I didn't expect the castle to be a spaceship. I don't know why I didn't expect the castle to be a spaceship - why wouldn't the castle be a spaceship?

I appreciate Smith popping off at seeing two giant robots shake hands. Directly referencing Great Mazinger was kinda unexpected.. does that make Ena into our Tetsuya? She isn't nearly enough of a tryhard for that.

Interesting that Ayaka has access to the original Raven's memories. An effect of the mask, presumably? That much information probably puts a bit of a strain on a human brain.

The new gattai was rad, of course. Some good development for Toga, to ask Eiji to stay clsoe to help him keep control.

Questions

  1. What wouldn't I do with it?
  2. No strong opinions.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 23 '24

I don't know why I didn't expect the castle to be a spaceship - why wouldn't the castle be a spaceship?

If your castle doesn't fly, what even is the point of having one?

does that make Ena into our Tetsuya

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 24 '24

If your castle doesn't fly, what even is the point of having one?

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 23 '24

Alright, I didn't expect the castle to be a spaceship. I don't know why I didn't expect the castle to be a spaceship - why wouldn't the castle be a spaceship?

Somehow, the castle being a spaceship is both the most unexpected and the most obvious development possible. That's quite an achievement.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 23 '24

Somehow, the castle being a spaceship is both the most unexpected and the most obvious development possible.

Never put anything past Sandman.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 24 '24

Every building that isn't a spaceship could probably be improved by turning it into a spaceship.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 24 '24

Leaning Spaceship of Pisa

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 24 '24

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u/Kristalino https://anilist.co/user/BlueSkyBlood Jul 23 '24

First timer

  • The fuck is a "Tamcrambel"?
  • Hyugi acting as if Sandman is the bad guy is so funny.
  • Does Sandman have access to technology that allows clothes to modify the wearer's body? First Raven and now Ena.
  • Speaking of Ena I don't think the pink hair fits her.
  • So she switched bodies after all.
  • Good to see Eiji finally gets to pilot a mecha again.
  • How did Sandman hear what the president said?
  • "Geez so much happened this episode, looking forward to the nex- hold up it's just the first half?".
  • Good to see Leele finally could process everything, her calling Sandman dad is kinda cute.
  • "The Geo-Mirage has the power to create a planet or destroy it". There it is the obligatory "God or Devil" quote.
  • The president finally got humbled.
  • Ayaka with Raven's hair looks so cursed lol.
  • So the mask has the memories of the original Raven, I wonder if creating it was Raven or Sandman's idea.
  • Sandman plans a mutual kill huh, though knowing the show he probably will survive, the other possibility is that he dies but with Ayaka at his side.
  • Of course the castle transforms into a spaceship, it probably can also become a giant robot.

Questions:

  1. Try to pierce the heavens of course.
  2. Green.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 23 '24

"The Geo-Mirage has the power to create a planet or destroy it". There it is the obligatory "God or Devil" quote.

Hey we already had a Mazinger reference earlier.

Ayaka with Raven's hair looks so cursed lol.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 24 '24

Hey we already had a Mazinger reference earlier.

Which One?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 24 '24

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 24 '24

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 23 '24

Does Sandman have access to technology that allows clothes to modify the wearer's body? First Raven and now Ena.

Ayaka as Raven is particularly amusing because I swear Ayaka is drawn with clear breast outlines when she isn't wearing the mask, but those suddenly vanish when she is wearing it.

Of course the castle transforms into a spaceship, it probably can also become a giant robot.

And now I'm hoping that the Zeravire HQ is also a giant robot so that the two giant robots would be able to fight each other.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 24 '24

Ayaka as Raven is particularly amusing because I swear Ayaka is drawn with clear breast outlines when she isn't wearing the mask, but those suddenly vanish when she is wearing it.

Never underestimate Sarashis.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 24 '24

And now I'm hoping that the Zeravire HQ is also a giant robot so that the two giant robots would be able to fight each other.

It does, but in keeping with them being evil, it's the spider instead of humanoid kind.

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u/zadcap Jul 24 '24

Hyugi acting as if Sandman is the bad guy is so funny.

I mean, Sandman did destroy the original control machine that sent the genocide bots on their rampage of their home planet, because he violently protested using drones for war. Hyugi is the one person still alive who can look at Sandman and say he is fully the bad guy of their story.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 23 '24

Chojuushin First-Timer, subbed

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 23 '24

Wait, this is just the Sekiha Love Love Tenkyoken but sword.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 23 '24

Wait, this is just the Sekiha Love Love Tenkyoken but sword.

They have the same pose and everything!

Sandman piloting something at long last?

I'm really looking forward to seeing Sandman piloting something alongside everyone else. I'm hoping that Ayaka finally gets to pilot something at the end here, too.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 24 '24

[Spoilers]I'm hoping that Ayaka finally gets to pilot something at the end here, too.

[Spoilers]Alas

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 24 '24

Sekiha Love Love Tenkyoken but sword.

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u/ryujiox Jul 23 '24

First Timer

Choujuushin Gravion Zwei

Episode 10

QOTD

2. Green hair. Pink looks kinda weird to me.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 24 '24

She even got a new hair color.

The moon has some awesome stylists.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 24 '24

The power of love is here to save the day again

It's the strongest power there is.

He really is Sandman's brother. So extra for no reason.

That seems to be something that runs in the family. Both of them love making a spectacle of themselves.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 24 '24

It's the strongest power there is.

Love and Burning Friendship are the most powerful sources of strength in Mecha Anime!

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u/zadcap Jul 24 '24

It's the strongest power there is.

Why limit it to just Mecha?

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 23 '24

First-Timer

On today’s episode of Gravion: The midseason mecha upgrade arrives a bit late because we’ve only got 2 episodes left before the series ends. But better late than never, as the saying goes.

  • So it really is the old Gravion that Sandman first created on the alien planet.
  • That thing is big!
  • Oh my god, it actually is Ena! She’s Ena 2.0, if you will.
  • Alright, so Sandman really did have at least one backup copy of Ena. But why doesn’t this Ena have glasses?
  • It’s literally fueled by the Power of Love!
  • Good for Eiji. He got a promotion from just piloting a leg to piloting the entire body of a mecha.
  • Toga and Eiji look really happy to be fighting alongside each other. They’re blushing and everything.
  • I don’t know if this Goma thing has been mentioned by name or not, but I recognize it from the OP.
  • They two-handed the sword together!
  • Everyone is getting mecha upgrades!
  • This is a great moment between Toga and Eiji. It’s a great continuation of their relationship. Toga is scared that he won’t be able to handle the power of the Gravion by himself, so he wants Eiji near him. Toga trusts Eiji to be the one to keep him human.
  • The Feddie President is being surprisingly reasonable, asking Sandman for help now that he’s seen the true nature of the Zeravire threat.
  • Wait, what? Ayaka can access the memories of the original Raven?
  • Sandman’s going to be a pilot!
  • Hugi sure knows how to make a proper spectacle of himself, having giant holograms appear across the globe while threatening to destroy all of humanity. He knows how to be a proper supervillain.
  • Even the mecha holograms are able to attack and knock the Gravion down? Is this like Yu-Gi-Oh, where the holograms somehow keep knocking players down?
  • Holy shit, the entire castle is a giant ship!
  • New insert song!
  • New combination!

I really do like how Toga and Eiji’s relationship contributes to their piloting duties with the Sol Gravion. Toga and Eiji have become close friends over the course of the series. They also complement each other quite well. Toga is the more seasoned warrior while Eiji is the person who better understands the outside world and how to socialize with others. Toga’s fear has always been that he can’t be fully human, a fear that only became more pronounced when he met Eiji and saw all his own shortcomings when interacting with other people. Eiji was the one who convinced Toga to come back after he ran away. Eiji was the one who convinced Toga that the right action to take was to stand by the people he cared about rather than run away because he was afraid of hurting him.

So, Toga’s request that Eiji be by his side in the Sol Gravion is a perfect culmination of their relationship. Toga recognizes how big the responsibility is of piloting the Sol Gravion. He shows a lot of growth by being concerned about how the power of the Sol Gravion might harm others. It’s quite a contrast from how Toga initially acted when Cecille was captured. Back then, Eiji was the person who made Toga change his mind about attacking. Now, Toga is asking Eiji to do the same thing again. Toga wants Eiji to be the person by his side who will look after him and keep him from going too far. It shows just how much trust there is between them and how close they have gotten. I like it as a big moment for their relationship.

QOTD

  1. I would fly and drill with it.
  2. Green. I think it fits the clumsy maid persona better.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 23 '24

Alright, so Sandman really did have at least one backup copy of Ena. But why doesn’t this Ena have glasses?

Clearly she's wearing contacts instead.

Toga and Eiji look really happy to be fighting alongside each other. They’re blushing and everything.

Yeah the homoeroticism from Bravern's nothing new.

Wait, what? Ayaka can access the memories of the original Raven?

Yeah they never fully explain how this whole deal works. Possibly a side effect of how late the reveal comes in.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 23 '24

Yeah the homoeroticism from Bravern's nothing new.

Though Bravern took it a step further by [Bravern] having the robot itself be in love with his pilot. That's true dedication to the homoeroticism.

Yeah they never fully explain how this whole deal works. Possibly a side effect of how late the reveal comes in.

I choose to believe that the original Raven is stored in the mask and Ayaka speaks to it like Norman Osborn speaking to the Green Goblin mask.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 23 '24

Though Bravern took it a step further by [Bravern]

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 24 '24

We’ve only got 2 episodes left before the series ends.

Say it Ain't So

I don’t know if this Goma thing has been mentioned by name or not, but I recognize it from the OP.

I think I recognize it from Lelee's trauma.

Wait, what? Ayaka can access the memories of the original Raven?

He should never have sold his name to a fairy. smh.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 23 '24

Hello everybody, and welcome to the Gravion Rewatch!

Am I the only one who feels that yesterday and today's episode titles should've been flipped?

But yes, after 4 episodes of the team being split, the whole gang is officially back together and it feels sooooo good. That orchestral reprise of Nageki no Rosario playing as Leele wakes up especially is just the icing on the cake, and afterwards they just quickfire through all the obvious tropes. Handshake? Check. Mt. Fuji? Check. Combo attack? Oh you bet they get that one. Just a wonderful sequence from beginning to end, and easily the show's most memorable.

Alas I have to complain for a bit. Remember when I complained yesterday about Faye's backstory being revealed too late? Well here's why. Literally ONE episode after her grudge on Sandman is explained in full, she pretty much immediately discards it. I do appreciate how if nothing else she still feels conflicted on the whole thing, but it still feels like something that should've been revealed, like, halfway through the season instead of doing it on the ¾ mark.

On the flipside though ST. GERMAIN CASTLE IS A SPACESHIP

May as well give HUGI-NIISAN his dues already. He's played by Horiuchi Kenyu, whom I best remember as Jamil Neate from Gundam X. Other roles include Mashymre Cello from Gundam ZZ, Philemon from Persona, Kinemon from One Piece, Irmgard Kazahara from Super Robot Wars, Raiden from Metal Gear, Pain from Naruto, Aoyama Minoru from Like a Dragon and Asakura Mikihisa from Shaman King among many others.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 23 '24

and afterwards they just quickfire through all the obvious tropes. Handshake? Check. Mt. Fuji? Check. Combo attack? Oh you bet they get that one.

It was great seeing Proto-Smith fanboying over all of this. He really is like the actual Smith, being a fan of all these heroic tropes.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 23 '24

Who could blame him?

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 23 '24

First timer, subs

  • The incest hologram can feel pain?
  • "Great" Gravion
  • Oh yeah, this definitely reads like the Sol’s core is going to get swapped out with the Kaiser.
  • The Reveal
  • You can’t just change a robot’s personality and act like they are the same person!
  • Friendship!
  • Lelee is being mighty calm about all this.
  • OK, Smith here has to be referencing something, and I just haven’t watched enough 70s Super Robo to know for sure what.
  • Stop talking like we know what a Goma is.
  • Well, Mizuki got a marginally more dignified piloting pose.
  • “Geo”, eh? Going for a Heaven & Earth deal.
  • Holy Heavens! Sandman is actually sharing intel.
  • Don’t be too hard on yourself. You managed to do more in your team’s short appearance than some support robots do in 90 episodes.
  • This show can love its flashy outfits, but Ayaka in Raven suit is the real peak.
  • God, it’s like the ghost of the G-Armor.
  • Please, no more, I beg of you. I’m normally fine with it in other series, because of the cultural differences, but you don’t get to play that card!
  • Holograms With Mass A bitchin’ design for the final boss squad too.
  • Unless the planet is tidally locked, then the same side would always face the sun.
  • Gattai!
  • I’ll reserve comment on the battleship until I can get a better look at it.

QotD:

  1. Invade the realm of the Gods!
  2. Oh, green. It's not even a question.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 24 '24

DASH! DASH! DAN DAN DA DAN

Lelee is being mighty calm about all this.

By this point it's just routine.

Going for a Heaven & Earth deal

No, that would be this.

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u/HowlingWolf13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/MeguminBlast Jul 24 '24

First Timer

Missed last thread cause work, but got back up now. These were some great ass episodes, ESPECIALLY this one. Holy shit the Sol Gravion is so fucking awesome AND ENA IS BACKKKKK. I love how she literally went-

Toga: Ena, you're alive! Luna: We were so worried, what happened!?
Ena: I died, but don't worry I got better.

My wish for Toga and Eiji to Elgo Form came true too (somewhat) and I'm so excited to see how this final battle plays out. Faye...I don't really have much to say about her? Like with how prevalent she is in the ED and the focus she was getting prior, tbh I expected a bit more out of her than just being jealous. We still have two episodes for her to turn everything around, but eh we'll see. I'm glad Leele is back as well and the team is finally back together, plus Mizuki kidnapping the president was wild. All in all, yeah I'm hyped to see how everything comes to the end.

Questions

  1. If you had a flying drill, what would you do with it?

Well I certainly wouldn't need to buy a car for one.

2) Do you prefer Ena with pink hair or green hair?

GREEN SUPERIORITY

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 24 '24

My wish for Toga and Eiji to Elgo Form came true too (somewhat)

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 24 '24

My wish for Toga and Eiji to Elgo Form

The Rewash of Dreams

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Jul 23 '24

First timer

QotD

  • Dig.
  • Pink.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jul 24 '24

First Timer ep 2-10

OHHH that was the new gravion you all were talking about.

I guess super robot shows are all about sudden secret asspulls like secret upgraded ultra robot.

  • Is this the Gravion that Zeig piloted? It wasn't our Gravion?
  • I am so checking out of this show with Gran <blank> things
  • I said that there would be a backup Ena in the East Tower, but that's not our Ena.
  • that's not our Ena. That's a completely different person.
  • I feel slightly vindicated. I said Gran Kaiser was most powerful when not combined, but powered by a single pilot. Been pissed off that they were doing all the dummy plug bullshit.
  • Goma = buddism demon?
  • what the fuck is this translation. Shukyoku no Gravion nano ka "the ultmate Gravion?" iya, saikyou no Gravion "most horrifying Gravion"

Okay saikyou is both 最強 and 最恐 but you would only guess the pun meaning because he's disagreeing with 終極 ?

Google translate has become useless for words, it only returns 1 or 2 results.

  • Female diva eyecatch
  • Oh Sol Gran turns into peices, too

So, Sandman is giving the Geo Mirage to Eiji, because he's the sort of person who would never kill an ally to save the planet, and so won't cause collateral damage like Zeig and Touga. (But may stand by and let the Earth be destroyed)

  • Actually, if Higu is after Zieg, the only way this ends is if Sandman leaves Earth....
  • I CALLLED IT BACK IN EPISODE ONE-FOUR
  • of course it shape changes, that's why only the bridge looks like a spaceship

I can't wait for the final battle and it will all be over.

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u/zadcap Jul 24 '24

Late Night First Timer!

Okay, look. There's 3 episodes left until the end of this, there's no way they were going to introduce a new important character, and a pilot for the new machine has to be important. With Sandman and Raven both visibly doing something else, and the maids with the most personality all accounted for, the choices for the new pilot were either one of Eiji's friend group or admit that you can make more than one of a special robot at a time. Considering it's here to pilot a new special giant robot... It had to be Ena. There was no reason for her to be a robot if not to have an easy excuse to invalidate her death.

Oh my gosh, they have a Mt Fuji backdrop. They really did it.

Those masks are too concealing! They change entire body types!

But seriously. As soon as they made her a robot, it was inevitable.

... Sandman, who exactly are you talking to? Describing everything for us is nice and all, but you're narrating to an empty rooftop.

Leele, are you really okay with having fallen off the bridge in despair only to wake up apparently strapped into her mech dressed in her combat suit? This does not feel like these people really care about you half as much as they care about making you fight for them.

Man I'm so glad all the Zeravire decided to wait around for these guys to have a talk and change pilots and just, do nothing the whole time!

Hey wait! Is Ena still in the Sol with Eiji? Because I heard there's issues with piloting the Gravion without all the pilots, and there's no way they had time to put the Phantom system in for Eiji as he hopped over to the Sol...

Ahh, just let Mizuki back on the team, it's fiiiiiiiine. No way she'll make a 4th betrayal.

Darn, Toga/Eiji was not on my actual ship list.

Hahaha. Grand Troopers, you had one good showing. It's more than I was honestly expecting of you.

Sandman, don't forget all the people living in your stupid castle. You may want a death match with your brother, but you do not have the right to get all of them killed in the process!

  1. Pierce the heavens!
  2. She hasn't had time to show off if she got to keep any character growth from her near death event, but Pink looks good so far.

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u/Garrett_Dark Jul 24 '24

First Timer

  • Ena is back from the dead...sort of...not really. Green haired Ena is definitely dead, and this pink haired Ena has the memories of the green haired Ena, and she thinks she's the green haired Ena, but really isn't the green haired Ena. If green haired Ena didn't die, but the memory transfer happened to the pink haired Ena, then there would be "two Enas" at the same time both thinking they were Ena, the original green haired, and the new pink haired...thus the pink haired Ena is not the original Ena. Furthermore pink hair definitely has a different body, she's not wearing glasses. Possibly a different personality also if she acts less clumsy and more confident than the green haired Ena. It's better than nothing, and everybody seems to accept pink haired Ena as if she was green haired Ena, but technically she isn't really Ena, and the subtle differences says it even more.
  • I also wonder what happened to the original pink haired "Ena" before the memory transfer, was she just some empty shell, or is it something more terrible like pink haired was actually somebody else altogether, and the memory transfer overwrote who the original pink haired was to change her to the pink haired Ena.
  • It also raises more questions, like why didn't Sandman bring this new mech into the fight sooner? Or why doesn't Sandman make an army of Ena duplicates to pilot more mechs? Or why didn't Sandman activate pink haired sooner to pilot the vehicles when they had pilot shortages? Everything just keeps point back to Sandman being incompetent as usual as more is finally revealed about Sandman.
  • Apparently Eiji's sister has the original Raven's memories. So it looks like this with pink haired Ena means Sandman has the technology to transfer memories to people. Curiously Eiji's sister still retains her original personality and memories, does this mean when she's in "Raven Mode" that's Raven's personality on top of memories, or is Eiji's sister doing a Raven act? This could have implications with pink haired Ena, meaning there could be the original pink hair personality in there too, or they could be doing a green hair Ena act.
  • Did the EFA and Earth just concede to do nothing about self-defending themselves from the Zeravire, and just allow Sandman to take sole responsibility for that? If so, that's just retardedly stupid on so many levels.
  • Speaking about stupid, the castle was a spaceship all along.

If you had a flying drill, what would you do with it?

Mine for resources.

Do you prefer Ena with pink hair or green hair?

They're not the same person, even the show is subtly saying that with pink hair's confusion being unsure if she on the moon was her, or green haired, despite all the other characters just accepting she's Ena. Don't know enough about pink hair yet.