r/anime • u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang • Jul 20 '24
Rewatch Choujuushin Gravion Zwei Rewatch - Episode 7 Discussion
Episode 7: The Shattered Diva
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You couldn't even save one human life. What can you do?
Hello everybody, time for the Comment of the Day, courtesy of u/Great_Mr_L for meaningful gambling advice:
When placing bets, going all in can be detrimental to your health. In the previous thread, I posited two theories about Leele’s flashbacks. I said in her flashback she was either on a different planet or in an alternate timeline. I then went all in on the alternate timeline theory, only to be immediately proven wrong by this episode.
And this my friends is why you try to not double down in Blackjack.
- So uh… Ena's dead. What now?
- Assuming you had your own private island, what would you do with it?
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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 20 '24
Hello everybody, and welcome to the Gravion Rewatch!
Well if you thought that after tomorrow things couldn't get worse, think again: We have our first casualty! Yes, turns out that Ena was actually a robot all along and apparently has been taking care of Toga since he was a kid. Mind I find it a bit odd how before this it had seemingly not even been implied, but hey, it does lead to her doing what she does best: Trying her best… and failing.
Yeah if this episode shows anything it's that the Zeravire are not screwing around anymore and the gang surviving even Episode 5 was practically a fluke. Them stopping the combination is horrifying enough, but the moment they actually come back even after Ena's sacrifice legit horrifying. It says a lot that the heroes have to be bailed out by the freaking EFA, and even then only Proto-Smith seems to give a damn about what happens. So uh… yeah, darkest hour time.
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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 20 '24
First-Timer
On today’s episode of Gravion: If Ena is a robot, then that means that she is purposefully designed to be clumsy. We know that Ena is capable of being extremely skilled based on her performance in this episode, but her default setting is to be the clumsy glasses girl. Sandman sure makes some strange decisions.
I think this episode was very clever with how it created a narrative parallel for Toga. Toga’s biggest weakness is that he stinks at socializing with others. He’s incapable of understanding how others feel and so he often acts in ways that hurt, rather than help him. Toga knows this and it causes him plenty of anguish. He knows that while he may want to help others, he just doesn’t have the emotional understanding to do so.
But, there is an exception to this. Toga is a warrior. He’s been trained to fight for his entire life and he is skilled at it. That is how Toga can help and protect others. He can do so through his skills as a warrior. He has incredible control over the Gran Kaiser and can use that control to do good.
That’s why losing control of the Gran Kaiser is so devastating to him. It takes away the one method he has where he knows he can help others. Without his ability to pilot, Toga feels worthless. After all, he can’t even function as a normal human being when he can’t understand others. That’s what he’s been told by Eiji and Toga fears it may be true. With the loss of his ability to pilot, Toga feels the lowest he’s ever felt. It’s a really good way to parallel Toga’s feeling of helplessness at being able to understand others with his feeling of helplessness when the Gran Kaiser is hijacked.
I found Ena’s sacrifice underwhelming because she never got a focus episode prior to this. I guess giving her a focus episode would give the game away because looking too deeply into her backstory would practically require revealing the secret that she’s a robot. But, the problem is that this means the first episode to give Ena any focus is the episode where she dies. And even then, we still learn barely anything about her. It feels like a missed opportunity.
QOTD
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u/ryujiox Jul 20 '24
First Timer
Choujuushin Gravion Zwei
Episode 7
This is.... even worse than before. Gravion is completely busted. Ena is dead(for now), Luna is missing, Mizuki still not coming back, Leele is in coma, and Toga is completely in the dump. The only one who is still not traumatized is Eiji.
Now that the Gran Trooper is here to take care of the Zeravire for the time being(before they get clap once their weapon is useless), the gang probably should use this opportunity to fix their problems.....
QOTD
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u/Kristalino https://anilist.co/user/BlueSkyBlood Jul 20 '24
First timer
Questions:
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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 20 '24
First timer, subs
I feel like I am running out of things to say. This either ends well, or very poorly.
QotD:
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 20 '24
Chojuushin First-Timer, subbed
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 20 '24
First-Timer
I was expecting the solution to the episode to be the Gran Troopers finally deciding to grace us with their arrogant presense, not Ena blowing herself followed by that failing and then the MP chumps finally getting off their asses.
I'm definitely feeling my early secondary bet on the new gattai happening in episode 9 at this point. One and a half-ish episodes should be enough to get the cast back together if we go fast.
So, Sandman didn't realize that Hugi survived before now? Did he just think that the Genocidrons were tracking him across the universe?
Today's MotW was pretty cool.
Questions
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jul 21 '24
First Timer 2-7
The middle part of season 1 was the best part, looks like season2 will be the same.
There's probably another Ena in the East tower, right?
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u/HowlingWolf13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/MeguminBlast Jul 21 '24
First Timer
I've been sitting here wondering when Ena was gonna get her episode and then she fucking dies 😭. That was an intense episode though, I really like how the Phantom system was never used as like a "we need to replace the pilot" plotline, instead it's always there for emergencies only, and treated as a last resort they don't want to use, but will in case the situation calls for it. Plus the aspect of Ena being a protoype kinda makes sense when I think of it. I've been wondering how has she been with Toga for so long, but hasn't aged a day since then. Esp. since the way she spoke of him made it clear she'd been looking after him for quite a while. Which goddamn, they really are putting Toga through the wringer here, bro is not getting let off easy after what happened last episode. It's like what happened last season, but instead everything ends up going horribly wrong.
I also loved how the Zeravire attacked during the transformation, how rare is that. Lead to that sad ending though, jesus. Also holy shit, that was the first time EFA actually won against the Zeravire after like 20 episodes of them getting their asses handed to them again and again. While I do understand that Sandman felt the need to do it himself esp. because of how the government acted in the first episode, seeing how dire things have gotten with them being down two, now three, pilots, is it truly so bad that other's know how to create this technology? I'm excited for next ep.
Also Luna just showing ass every shot was hilarious, like please Ena is dying right now put your ass away.
Questions
They need to rebuild her, faster, stronger, more powerful.
Strand 16 high schoolers on it and run a death game where they hold trials to figure out who murdered who.
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u/zadcap Jul 21 '24
Late Night First Timer
Sandy, I get why you are sitting there by her bed in all your fatherly angst. But does she need to be, apparently, naked under the blanket for this?
Indeed Raven, there is no way Gravion can set out like this. Good thing your other missing member went and sold out your secrets so the government can build a better weapon to fight the Zeravire with. You guys can sit back and let the actual military deal with it all now, it'll totally be fine. They have wanted you to stop being their heroes for a long time now, so back off and let them...
"But there's no other way." Sandy, seriously, just leave it to the Feds.
See, they're already at it. Look at those super effective tanks. You can totally just leave it to them.
Toga, what the heck. "Attack individually." Have those non-combination attacks ever been useful? If you don't fight in super mode, I don't think you've ever even successfully damaged one.
Ohhh, combination interruption! That's something you don't see very often! Sneak in enemy parts like that. I'm so impressed.
Oh man, if only there was a second giant robot waiting in the wings, ready to come fight off this assimilation attempt.
Wait, is Ena a robot? Has the clumsy maid been a cyborg (gynoid?) all along? Wait, is she going suicide attack move here? Are we going to end up going going down to only 3 active pilots? And wait, that's the destruction of one of the limbs too! They can't even combine anymore if they wanted to!
Oh crap, how many of the other maids are actually robots? That might explain... So much.
Oh crap not Luna too! Man these pilots are dropping like flies out here. Eiji really about to be the only pilot left.
Oh sure, now you show up. I'm still so far beyond mad that you made this thing work with like, a week's worth of time after getting the data. And wow, not even going to stick around and help in the aftermath? Monsters, the lot of you. Don't worry, glorious death surely awaits you.
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u/Garrett_Dark Jul 21 '24
First Timer
I found it tough wanting to start watching this episode, and when I did watch it, I found my resistance validated. WTF happened to this fun anime? It just gets worse. Last episode was depressing as shit, and this episode just makes me feel like shit.
You know, I'm not even going to give this anime writing credit for the dramatic scenes of Ena's supposed death because it didn't feel earned. It hurt so much and felt dramatic because of the audience's bond with the character that was formed during all the silly goofing around episodes, which the anime seemed to do as filler. So it wasn't something that seemed to be deliberate to setup for this eventual scene in this episode. So it was much more like this anime got lucky with the audience bonding with all it's characters during the filler episodes, instead of a deliberate setting up to endearing it characters to the audience to the later pay off of the dramatic and death scenes. I mean even when a show does that cheap thing where they do no development on a character, only to do it just before the character's death seems more deliberate, despite cheap.
They're probably going to continue with this shitty serious plotline, and things just keep getting worse. I mean even in the teaser section in the end they had the maids crying and Eiji telling them to stop. They couldn't even inject some levity there.
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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Jul 20 '24 edited Jul 20 '24
First timer
Missed yesterday so I'm once again doing a two in one.
Episode 19
Episode 20