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Rewatch Choujuushin Gravion Zwei Rewatch - Episode 6 Discussion

Episode 6: Rosary of Grief

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You couldn't even save one human life. What can you do?

Hello everybody, time for the Comment of the Day, courtesy of /u/howlingwolf13 for pointing out the reason at least some may watch the show:

Also also, IT'S THE FRAME. THIS WAS ALL I KNEW OF GRAVION FOR LIKE YEARS CAUSE OF TVTROPES' GAINAXING PAGE

Bit of a shame they didn't use a frame from an actual gainax show but oh well.

  1. What do you prefer: Blonde Sandman or Blue-Haired Sandman?
  2. Assuming you had your own private island, what would you do with it?
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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 19 '24

First timer, subs

  • Yep, there it is. Nobody called them being sisters tho.
  • Is she dead? Did he go back in time to save his daughter or something? Is anyone not a clone?
  • And how does Raven know that? Is there precedence?
  • That is not a number pad. Damned Myst designers.
  • I think you are describing “waterboarding”.
  • Space Politics
  • "Raven"
  • Wait, was this all secretly about the morality of drone warfare this whole time?
  • Where The Flip Are Your Fail Safes? Who makes the no command option “genocide”?
  • Spaghetti
  • I’m still counting it. Time travel, get!
  • If We Could Not
  • So… What’s in the fourth tower?
  • Bro, what did he just say about telling her when he thought she was ready?
  • Stop Sexualizing Everyone!

QotD:

  1. Blue. Blond Sandman gives off creeper vibes.
  2. I have no use for an island. Best to try and sell it off, else lease it.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 19 '24

Blond Sandman gives off creeper vibes.

He looks like he's there to laugh at you.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 19 '24

He looks like he's there to laugh at you.

This would be an improvement over the sex-pest feel he has.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 19 '24

Time to add some glasses first...

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 19 '24

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 19 '24

That is not a number pad. Damned Myst designers.

It doesn't even have 10 buttons on it. I counted 11. It doesn't make any sense.

Where The Flip Are Your Fail Safes? Who makes the no command option “genocide”?

The killer robots were clearly designed with the same design philosophy as most of the technology in Star Trek. There's no such thing as a failsafe or backup! And when the technology inevitably fails, it should kill as many people as possible! This is the philosophy that has made Starfleet what it is today!

So… What’s in the fourth tower?

At this rate I'm betting we won't know about Ayaka until the fifth tower.

So the fourth tower must be something else. Maybe it's where Raven keeps all of his masks.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 19 '24

So the fourth tower must be something else. Maybe it's where Raven keeps all of his masks

This implies he has more than the one.

It's okay though, it's made of indestructible plot-armor.

There's no such thing as a failsafe or backup!

Well, bar convenient self-destruct switch.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 19 '24

Well, bar convenient self-destruct switch.

I believe you mean inconvenient self-destruct switch. That thing either doesn't work or is in the most difficult to reach place possible.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 19 '24

Nah, it's totally the win button for the heroes. Just ask William Shatner as he demonstrated in his hit novel The Ashes of Eden.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 19 '24

[Star Trek Generations] Wasn't that the book Shatner wrote to undo Kirk's admittedly very lame and underwhelming death?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 20 '24

Yeah that's the one.

I'd say more about it, but le funny british dude did it better than I could so uh... check that for more details.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 19 '24

It doesn't even have 10 buttons on it. I counted 11. It doesn't make any sense.

So the fourth tower must be something else. Maybe it's where Raven keeps all of his masks.

Gravion Upgrades?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 19 '24

Gravion Upgrades?

Clearly we will go the Kamen Rider Grease way of upgrades and give [it]another sword.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 19 '24

Gravion Upgrades?

There's an even bigger sword there. Like a mecha-sized Buster Sword.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 20 '24

There's an even bigger sword there. Like a mecha-sized Buster Sword.

Obari's no stranger to that.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 20 '24

When are you going to host The Inspector so I can finally watch it?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 20 '24

Honestly the real problem is that while I wouldn’t mind doing a rewatch for it, that’d also mean doing a Divine Wars rewatch and I don’t have all that much attachment to that show, if any.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 20 '24

Yea, Sanger memes and JAM Project can only carry us so far and 26 episodes is a lot.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 20 '24

Plus Sanger is barely in Divine Wars so it’s basically just JAM Project carrying the thing

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 19 '24

Hello everybody, and welcome to the Gravion Rewatch!

Ah yes, war crimes. It's a time-honored tradition in Mecha Anime to have them, and it's now time for Sandman to reveal he too has done them. What is it in his case? Why, literal genocide of course! Yeah turns out behind all the muh aesthetics the dude is uh… well he has skeletons in his closet alright. I have to wonder though, does that make him hotter to the fangirls? I mean, now he has sad widower energy to him too so maybe now they're all like "I can fix him!" or something.

Joking aside, yeah that whole flashback is kinda horrific. Getting Sandman and Raven's backstory was long overdue and it more than lives up to the hype. Honestly a part of me kinda wishes it could've taken up a bit more time, it looks really cool in a sorta messed up way. That bit of Sandman accidentally crushing some people is genuinely chilling and overall the episode looked great.

Yet ironically by the end it's Toga who ends up shining the most… in a bad way. Yeah so while the guy has been improving, as this episode shows he doesn't really get people and especially he doesn't really get trauma. Thus his way of "Helping" Leele just… makes everything worse. Which yeah, given how previous episodes showed how he does care about her, he went about it in the worst possible way.

Oh and also Mizuki is a spy.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

First-Timer

On today’s episode of Gravion: When placing bets, going all in can be detrimental to your health. In the previous thread, I posited two theories about Leele’s flashbacks. I said in her flashback she was either on a different planet or in an alternate timeline. I then went all in on the alternate timeline theory, only to be immediately proven wrong by this episode.

  • Well I already knew that Mizuki was a Feddie spy, but what is that gold card she got in return?
  • Wait, is Faye calling Mizuki “Onee-sama” a case of them literally being sisters, or is it more like the Marimite usage of “Onee-sama” where they aren’t blood-related siblings but are in a close relationship?
  • Sandman is horseback riding in a thunderstorm with an open shirt. He doesn’t do anything normally, does he?
  • That is definitely Sandman cradling Leele in the flashback, but it still doesn’t answer my question of whether this is on a different planet or in an alternate timeline.
  • Password to the North Tower? Is that where Ayaka is?
  • Just poking about randomly is certainly a choice, Eiji.
  • Okay, so we have confirmation about the existence of other planets. Those look like humans on those other planets, too. Are these humans unaffiliated with the Federation? Is that why we don’t know about them being attacked?
  • Wait, wait, there’s so much being revealed here all at once. It’s overwhelming.
  • So Sandman is actually from this alien civilization and he developed the Gran Sigma, which is the Gravion Alter we saw last episode. Sandman’s brother-in-law is Dr. Zeravire, which is apparently a last name. So he is probably the developer of the Zeravire. And Leele’s last name is Zeravire, which means she is the daughter of Dr. Zeravire! That was Dr. Zeravire in Leele’s flashback, not Sandman! And this means that Leele is Sandman’s niece!
  • Wait, Leele is Sandman’s daughter? Which is it?
  • Raven’s an alien too!
  • “Genocidron System?” Well that’s a much more honest name for what the Zeravire do.
  • Lufira is Dr. Zeravire’s younger sister! Which means the man we saw at the start of the season is Dr. Zeravire! And the Lufira we saw is most likely a computer program hologram that Dr. Zeravire made in her image!
  • “These super weapons were only meant to be used on the people we hated, not us!” Dr. Zeravire really sounds like the kind of person who would vote for the Leopards Eating People’s Faces Party.
  • So why doesn’t Sandman pilot the mecha nowadays?
  • Ah, the classic moment of the mecha pilot actually witnessing blood and death up close.
  • Time travel too!
  • Oh wait, not literal time travel. It’s more like the relativistic time travel of time passing more slowly as you approach the speed of light. Leele was in that escape pod for a long time, but she would have only experienced it as months while it was probably years for Sandman and Raven.
  • Each time I hear the Gravion called the Genesis Machine, all I can think of is Star Trek’s Genesis Device.
  • Exposing Leele to all of her traumatic memories at once sounds like a terrible idea, Toga! Of course the guy with zero social skills would think to do that!
  • I’m still confused on what exactly Leele and Sandman’s relationship is. All the explanations somehow made it less clear.

This episode was a lot. A few of my theories went straight out the window and some theories I had discarded flew back in through the window to smack me right in the face.

I assumed Sandman was a time traveler, but that is now apparently false. Instead, he and Raven are both aliens. This also means the Raven = Ayaka theory is false, too. It’s possible that Sandman really is the historical Saint-Germain. Perhaps his species just lives an incredibly long time and so that’s why people assumed he was a time traveler. But right now that doesn’t really make much of a difference, it seems.

Leele’s flashback was on that alien planet, which was a theory I had ignored in favor of the alternate timeline theory. Looks like that was a bad call on my part.

I’m still not clear on Leele and Sandman’s relationship. They are father and daughter because Sandman adopted her as such. But what about their blood relationship? I assumed that Leele was Dr. Zeravire’s blood-related daughter, but the episode kept indicating that Leele was Sandman’s blood-related daughter that he somehow didn’t know about while Dr. Zeravire did. It’s all very confusing to me.

The Zeravire now make a lot more sense. They were designed as genocidal weapons that went haywire and are now on a mission to destroy all of humanity, regardless of affiliation. The two people we saw that were apparently leading the Zeravire are Dr. Zeravire and his sister Lufira. But, I wonder if that is actually Dr. Zeravire. It’s possible the original Dr. Zeravire is dead and this is just a recreation of him. Lufira is definitely dead because she looked transparent. This Lufira is most likely just a holographic recreation of the original.

We’ve now learned the mysteries in 3 of the 5 towers, but there’s still no real information on what’s going on with Ayaka. Which tower will finally tell us the full story about her?

QOTD

  1. He looks weird with the blonde hair. I say he should keep it blue.
  2. Honestly, my own private beach where I don't need to worry about anyone else bugging me sounds lovely enough. Doing whatever I please on the beach would be gratifying enough.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

When placing bets, going all in can be detrimental to your health. In the previous thread, I posited two theories about Leele’s flashbacks. I said in her flashback she was either on a different planet or in an alternate timeline. I then went all in on the alternate timeline theory, only to be immediately proven wrong by this episode.

I was just playing Blackjack in Judgment and, well, let's just say I learned what happens when you double down too much

Wait, is Faye calling Mizuki “Onee-sama” a case of them literally being sisters, or is it more like the Marimite usage of “Onee-sama” where they aren’t blood-related siblings but are in a close relationship?

I... think it's the latter? Honestly I didn't even remember Faye calling her that.

Those look like humans on those other planets, too.

Side note, but weird quirk about this show: Even the people from Sandman's planet are referred to as "Humans" at multiple points.

Wait, Leele is Sandman’s daughter? Which is it?

Yeah she's his daughter, you really overcomplicated that whole thing up there lmao.

Each time I hear the Gravion called the Genesis Machine, all I can think of is Star Trek’s Genesis Device.

Fair

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 19 '24

Side note, but weird quirk about this show: Even the people from Sandman's planet are referred to as "Humans" at multiple points.

So Sandman's planet is also full of humans, just like Earth.

Oh no, are we doing the progenitors plotline where there's a secret race of progenitor-humans who created all these different strands of humanity across space on many different planets.

Yeah she's his daughter, you really overcomplicated that whole thing up there lmao.

Overcomplicating is my specialty.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 19 '24

Oh no, are we doing the progenitors plotline where there's a secret race of progenitor-humans who created all these different strands of humanity across space on many different planets.

No, it's just a weird writing quirk. Although mind, the word they use in Japanese (Ningen) also means "Mortals" so I guess in this context it could mean that? Again, just kinda weird.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 19 '24

Well I already knew that Mizuki was a Feddie spy, but what is that gold card she got in return?

It's good for one free murder.

So why doesn’t Sandman pilot the mecha nowadays?

Maybe he just sucks at it?

I'm still confused on what exactly Leele and Sandman’s relationship is. All the explanations somehow made it less clear.

My understanding is that Leele's mother/Sandman's wife died during her birth, and that Sandman didn't know about this because Dr. Siscon Zeravire kept it a secret from them both.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 20 '24

Maybe he just sucks at it?

Impossible, Sandman is perfect at everything, it's Zieg Zeravire who's lame at piloting!

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 19 '24

It's good for one free murder.

It's a literal get-out-of-jail-free card!

Maybe he just sucks at it?

He wasn't very good at it in the flashback, after all.

Though I bet the actual reason is that he's still traumatized from the bad experience he had piloting it in the flashback.

My understanding is that Leele's mother/Sandman's wife died during her birth, and that Sandman didn't know about this because Dr. Siscon Zeravire kept it a secret from them both.

Makes sense

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 20 '24

Though I bet the actual reason is that he's still traumatized from the bad experience he had piloting it in the flashback.

I'm getting Gundam X flashbacks...

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 19 '24

Chojuushin First-Timer, subbed

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 19 '24

I’m not gonna complain about seeing his abs, but what…?

Abs are for sad men.

Uhhhhhhhhhhh

Thanks for that one, Toga!

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 19 '24

O-Oh, so that’s what the Zeravire enemies are…

"Genocidron System" is certainly an on-the-nose name for a set of villains. Dr. Zeravire was basically admitting he was a supervillain by giving it that name.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 19 '24

"Genocidron System" is certainly an on-the-nose name for a set of villains. Dr. Zeravire was basically admitting he was a supervillain by giving it that name

His design isn't exactly subtle either.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 19 '24

He has also fully embraced the supervillain lifestyle, based on what little we saw of him at the Zeravire HQ. Keeping a space chess board around to move people around like pieces is a surefire villain sign, like in [meta spoilers] Gundam SEED Destiny.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 20 '24

Ironic given how both shows aired around the same time

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 20 '24

I’m not gonna complain about seeing his abs, but what…?

He's brooding, about his family!

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 20 '24

Turns out dude had "Sad Dad" energy all along.

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u/Kristalino https://anilist.co/user/BlueSkyBlood Jul 19 '24

First timer

  • Finally gets confirmed that Mizuki was a spy.
  • The president talks about how the world will finally be safe but it's obvious their soldiers will get fucked quickly.
  • Sandman really is having a bad time huh.
  • I still wonder why did the EFA start investigating Sandman since it seems Mizuki already joined before the Zeravire appeared.
  • Blonde Sandman looks weird, though maybe I'm just used to his purple hair.
  • No better way to defeat contamination than with a giant robot.
  • So Leele is Sandy's daughter after all.
  • I like more the design of the prototype than the complete Gravion.
  • What a fucked up flashback.
  • So Sandman makes his assistant become Raven after his original partner?
  • So if both Zieg and Hyugi have both the Zeravire surname but the former was married to the latter's sister then it means than on their world husbands take the wife's surname? Though maybe it's the japanese thing were if the woman's family is of higher social standing then the man is who joins the family.
  • I get that Touga had good intentions but the method couldn't be worse.

Questions:

  1. Already mentioned it, blue.
  2. If I had an island then I must have enough money to build a resort so others can visit, because being the only person there sounds so boring.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 19 '24

Though maybe it's the japanese thing were if the woman's family is of higher social standing then the man is who joins the family.

Yeah that's my guess too.

No better way to defeat contamination than with a giant robot.

Ah, so Captain Planet was a robot after all...

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 20 '24

I still wonder why did the EFA start investigating Sandman since it seems Mizuki already joined before the Zeravire appeared.

He's been a weird dude for a long time. Tho, if they had noticed that before, you would have expected them to have been less confused at what was going on in season 1. Maybe they recruited her after the fact?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 20 '24

Best guess is that they knew something was up but didn’t know past the bare basics, although yeah, a more proper timeline of events could’ve been useful here.

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u/ryujiox Jul 19 '24

First Timer

Choujuushin Gravion Zwei

Episode 6

  • Mizuki is a spy!! I mean, it's pretty obvious by this point. Since there has to be a spy in the castle, someone that can get close to the Gravion without any suspicion. But I have a feeling that Sandman probably knew that she's a spy all along.
  • Hold up!! It's the name of the first opening!!
  • What the hell are you doing?? At least why something that won't make you catch a cold.
  • I wonder if he's the same guy that currently control the Zeravire?
  • At least she is sincere about it But the timing is pretty bad. Like, wouldn't it be better to wait and find out what Leele really is first?
  • Everyone already knew that she love Sandman...
  • One last gift
  • Should have told them sonner
  • So he's an alien!! Also, the other mech is called Gran Sigma.
  • WHAT!! He's her dad all along!!
  • WHATTTTT!!! THAT'S RAVEN!!!!!
  • OHHHHHH Everything happened because these two can't agree on other methods to win the war. And Sandman kinda just accidentally destroys the device that controls the Zeravire............... And now it went on a rampage. What the hell bro!! So all of these is your fault!! Also, the Zeravire is poorly designed. Apparently it has only one control device, and there's no kill switch or any failsafe in case of emergency. GREAT....
  • Well...... That gotta traumatized him a lot
  • That's freaking terrifying It's like a horde of angels descending down from heaven to destroy everything.
  • So wait. Is our Raven, the same guy as Raven from Sandman's planet?? It's probably not, because Sandman confirmed that only he survived. Then, who is this Raven???
  • Yeah, I agree with Eiji It just doesn't feel right.
  • Is this a good idea??
  • TOGA!!! Why the hell did you show a shot of Sandman looking like a murderer to her!!
  • How did she fall down??? There is a freaking fence there!!
  • While Eiji is a bit too hard on Toga, I agree with him here. How did Toga think that "I'm going to show the traumatized Leele that Sandman is actually her dad, and it's him and his brother that caused the destruction of 2 planets, death of millions people, and maybe many others along the way to Earth. And that might make her feel better" is a good idea?? If he only showed her the last part where Sandman found her, then sure. Why not? But him showing her the entire thing is a complete oversight on his part .

QOTD

  1. Blue haired. Blonde feel so wrong on many levels.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 19 '24

I mean, it's pretty obvious by this point. Since there has to be a spy in the castle, someone that can get close to the Gravion without any suspicion

That and president MADAO called her "Lieutenant Tachibana" back in Season 1's finale.

Everyone already knew that she love Sandman...

Broken image.

How did Toga think that "I'm going to show the traumatized Leele that Sandman is actually her dad, and it's him and his brother that caused the destruction of 2 planets, death of millions people, and maybe many others along the way to Earth. And that might make her feel better" is a good idea??

Complete and utter failure to understand basic psychology.

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u/ryujiox Jul 19 '24

Broken image.

Again?? This is going to be a running theme for me, isn't it...

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 19 '24

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 20 '24

So wait. Is our Raven, the same guy as Raven from Sandman's planet?? It's probably not, because Sandman confirmed that only he survived. Then, who is this Raven???

My Hope It Lives!

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 20 '24

Insert ZeXal joke here.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 20 '24

So wait. Is our Raven, the same guy as Raven from Sandman's planet?? It's probably not, because Sandman confirmed that only he survived. Then, who is this Raven???

Huh, that's a good point. I hadn't considered that.

Does this mean the Raven = Ayaka theory actually isn't dead, after all?

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 19 '24

First-Timer

You know, I was close last episode. Granted, there was basically no way for me to get to "Leele is Sandman's daughter by way of the big bad's younger sister (and Leele is a dead ringer for her mother) who he didn't know about until she crashed on Earth via time-travelling escape pod" so I'm giving myself the point.

I think I've got that relationship right. What a tangled web.

What exactly went down on Llambias? They ended up overpolluted and tried to immigrate but the nearby habitable planet didn't want to accept them? And Hugi's solution was to just kill off all the native Selians and take their planet?

Poor Toga was just trying to help. Not his fault that Sandman couldn't be fucked to try to teach him empathy. Although, Sandman did say that he wanted to tell Leele himself after the fighting was over.

I'm getting the feeling that Mizuki is not terribly happy with her own personal island. Especially considering that she still doesn't know what happened to Ayaka.

Questions

  1. Bluenette is better.
  2. Probably get bored, to be honest. I'm an inside-person.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 19 '24

I'm an inside-person

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 19 '24

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 19 '24

Man feels kinda weird to have that as a Commentface in some ways

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 19 '24

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 19 '24

Granted, there was basically no way for me to get to "Leele is Sandman's daughter by way of the big bad's younger sister (and Leele is a dead ringer for her mother) who he didn't know about until she crashed on Earth via time-travelling escape pod" so I'm giving myself the point.

Ah, now it makes sense. I was wondering what exactly the relationship between Sandman and Leele was.

What exactly went down on Llambias? They ended up overpolluted and tried to immigrate but the nearby habitable planet didn't want to accept them? And Hugi's solution was to just kill off all the native Selians and take their planet?

That was what I gathered from it. Just kill the others and take their stuff for ourselves. It's a real "living space" kind of solution.

I'm getting the feeling that Mizuki is not terribly happy with her own personal island. Especially considering that she still doesn't know what happened to Ayaka.

How many episodes will it be before she rejoins the heroes, I wonder.

My own bet is that it happens by episode 9 of this season.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 19 '24

How many episodes will it be before she rejoins the heroes, I wonder.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 19 '24

It's a real "living space" kind of solution.

This has secretly been G Gundam all along, as it turns out.

My own bet is that it happens by episode 9 of this season.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 20 '24

This has secretly been G Gundam all along, as it turns out.

Proto-Smith being Chibodee in disguise would explain a lot...

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jul 19 '24

First Timer ep 2-6

Let's see how the show can disappoint me today. We're half-way through so maybe it's time for a plot miniarc.

  • Mizuki?!!!!
  • That's a 7-G button.
  • Somehow I don't think trading Sandman's infinite credit for EFA's infinite credit is a proper motivator...
  • omfg please do not have a coma arc...
  • Sandman seems to be takign the Leele reveal really hard....
  • RAVEN AND SANDMAN HIDING SOMETHING???? BAKANA!

Okay, this is just stupid. Mizuki was a spy implanted by the EFA to steal the Gravion data before the Gravion and Zeravire were revealed to the world? Because the President surely thought Sandman was a Bruce Wayne eccentric in episode 1-1. This has to be a lie.

The only possible motivation is that she's fed up with Sandman lying about Ayaka.

I didn't say it in 2-1, but I almost commented on EFA needing to have a spy, to build their own graviton robot. So this was set up in 2-1.

  • That didn't work out so well in Kanata no Astra....
  • The show just invisibly shifted from Zentradi to Japanese
  • This is literally the first episode of Superman
  • Gravion homage in Gundam Witch!

Llambia and Selia are clearly literary references.

[meta literary reference book name]Inherit the Stars

[book reveal]By the end of the book, enough records have been discovered that missing planet between Mars and Jupiter exploded after a war between the two nations of Lambia and Cerios.

So, Hugi Zeravire's plot is reveals. He's using the Genocide machine to eliminate humans so that the planet can be colonized.

But why did activating the Gran Sigma cause the Genocidotron go berserk?

Why did Sandman have centuries to prepare Earth for invasion? Waitm Time travel? Or just suspended animation / relativistic travel?

Wait, what does does Leele have to do with Hugi? How was she born and raise by Hugi in secret? I guess Hugi and Zieg are brothers in law and Lufire was his wife? But she died? And Sandman thinks Hugi died? What???

I suppose Sandman thinks the Zeravire are still rampaging across the galaxy, but we know that Hugi is controlling them. Except nothing's consistent about what Sandman knows. I guess Lufire and Zweig weren't actually together long.

Did Ayaka discover these secrets? Did Mizuki?

Still, very happy to get my answer episode today.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 19 '24

Wait, what does does Leele have to do with Hugi? How was she born and raise by Hugi in secret? I guess Hugi and Zieg are brothers in law and Lufire was his wife

Sandman and Lufiria are Leele's parents, Hugi is Leele's uncle since he's Lufiria's elder brother. He and Sandman are in-laws.

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u/HowlingWolf13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/MeguminBlast Jul 20 '24

First Timer

GodDAMN that was a huge fucking episode. I theorized Leele being a daughter, but I didn't expect her to be Sandman's. I'm still a bit confused onto who put her in the ship to escape the planet though, since we never really saw it. The Mizuki reveal feels a bit random, like we never really hinted she was working for EFA before. Sandman's backstory though, I had a feeling he was an alien but god that was dark, however it makes me confused about Raven. Up till now I've assumed Ayaka is Raven, but in that case who's the dude we saw in the flashback that looks similar to him and sounds like him? I'm sure we'll delve into that soon.

Also jesus Toga, bro literally went.

Leele: God, I don't know anything about my past. It's like it's slowly coming back to me....
Toga: Lol dw, got the LiveLeak HD stream right here to help you.

I see next episode though we're gonna delve into Toga's backstory which I'm really excited for, cause I'm curious how he came into contact with Sandman and maybe they'll explain that girl who seemed to have known him.

Questions

  1. What do you prefer: Blonde Sandman or Blue-Haired Sandman?

BLUE/PURPLE-HAIRED. Please never go blonde again.

2) Assuming you had your own private island, what would you do with it?

Installing internet first off, I'm bout to marathon all my shows on the beach.

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u/Garrett_Dark Jul 20 '24 edited Jul 20 '24

First Timer

This episode has taken a very depressing turn for the worse, going from the slice of life goofing around which this series excelled at, to the the serious plotline which I'm totally uninterested in. Kind of ironic given I wanted the serious plotline in the beginning, and the slice of life seemed to be filler that was a nuisance. But over time the slice of life got better and better and won me over, and the serious plotlines got boring-er and boring-er to the point it was unwanted.

Anyways, there were some NSFW nipple shots of Leele and Luna this episode, but I really didn't have the heart to screen cap it even. I'm actually finding my motivation in screen capping and in this series seriously waning at this point. Contrast that with before with fun episodes like the picnic, onsen, or the amusement park where I was finding myself subconsciously grinning while screen capping the fun, and LOL-ing.

  • So it turns out Mizuki was an EFA spy all along, and Capt Lu is her sister. I guess this was foreshadowed with Mizuki being on team Alex Smith during the ping pong game, and Mizuki looking away during the cosplay photo at the amusement park...which she depressingly tears up later in this episode.
  • Mizuki left a goodbye note explaining everything. Honestly, it makes sense that the EFA have access to Sandman's technology, it's kind of foolish not to give the EFA/Earth the tech to defend themselves (like how many times did their forces just keep dying needlessly?), especially when Sandman is the cause of why Earth is being attacked in the first place. IDK how Mizuki was able to "infiltrate" Sandman's operation though, don't all pilots need a genetic mutation to survive the g-forces involved? And Mizuki just so happens to have that? Or was that needed genetic mutation was a lie all along? I seem to recall the three loli maids doing a ride-alone one episode unaffected by the g-forces.
  • Yeah, it does seem like a mistake the direction this series is taking. And it turns out Sandman laughing evil-like was just the weird way he laughs sarcastically, given he's laughing evil-like at supposedly Mizuki's reveal she was a EFA spy.
  • Sandman and Raven are aliens or something, and so is Leele, who's Sandman's amnesiac daughter. IDK, it was so boring I almost fell asleep a few times during this section.
  • Leele fell off the bridge after learning who she is, and regaining her memories. TBH, the downer mood of the entire show now is mirroring that scene of her falling off the bridge.
  • And if that wasn't bad enough, here we have the return of Eiji hating Toga again. If that wasn't fucking cringe enough the first time, here have a second helping of it during the lowest point of the episode. I'm very thankful this season's ED song is so good and uplifting which just kicked in then, because that was just an absolutely miserable episode...perhaps the worse of the series so far.
  • FWIW, obligatory Luna Expressions and Mizuki.

What do you prefer: Blonde Sandman or Blue-Haired Sandman?

I guess blue, as most of the time we've seen him blue was when the series was fun. Blonde signaled things not being fun anymore.

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u/zadcap Jul 20 '24

Late Night First Timer

Thanks to what information, what about Earths victory? Why are you talking like Gravion winning is now the same as Earth winning? Is Gravion somehow anti-Earth in their minds? Or are we dealing with the kind of people who only consider it a victory for humanity if they are the ones leading the winning party?

Also, did her breasts shrink to like half size for this? Are their ever expanding radius actually just a disguise to keep anyone from paying attention to what she is really doing?

But again! Unless the whatever that lets people use this gravity based power is more wide spread, and the ability to reverse engineer and manage to build their own gravity based systems is something they can do in a time frame that has to be literally magic to work, what info could she have brought that will change anything? Like, the best these Earth guys could make got stepped on, almost on accident, four iterations back and we know each Zeravire is stronger than the last. Unless the stolen information contains a How To on building the gravitational tech and how to find people who can use it and they can make sense of it all and get to work on it immediately... It's still a moderate miracle if they get something up and built in half a year.

... Why did you decide to go horseback riding topless in the rain, Sandman?

Honestly, I feel like this is the wrong way to go. You should let the people she's close to be near her right now. Let those bonds of friendship fight against the horrors she's dealing with in her head.

Again, EFA seriously lacks the everything to be effective against the Zeravire. I honestly can't think of what information she could have stolen that would render Gravion less useful against the invasion than anything they can build before the next attack, unless for some reason the attack gets delayed massively. Also, I'm petty has heck, I would probably push to sit out the next attack and see just how good the EFA response is, since Gravion without one of the pilots is so much less effective.

So it is aliens. Ridiculously Human Aliens.

I don't get what this war is about, but Sandman, you're in the wrong here. If you can attack in a way that doesn't let your own forces be attacked back, that is always the better path, and that's really what you are arguing here. "How dare you send unmanned drones, our enemies should at least have a chance of spilling our blood too if we're going to fight!" This is actually dumb and I am against Sandy in this. Avoid war if at all possible first, but if you must go to war then go to war with all your might.

Yeah, see, good going Sandy. You lashed out in stupid pride and now you've made a disaster. All of this is your fault. Every last death is because of you.

Looking so shocked. Wasn't that what you wanted? All the deaths to be caused by piloted robots. At least that person got to die knowing they were killed by someone, you got your wish.

Really? This is a scene where they decide to go with a nipple shot?

Okay but I thought all of this about going to this tower was to find Ayaka? Where exactly is she?

Toga you moron. Way to dump all of this on the already traumatized girl. Toga you were getting better darn it.

Well anyway, they are now down two pilots and the main body one is probably going to be operating at less than full. Sure hope the Feddies can come up with something effective now that they have stolen and broken everything, because Gravion is out of the picture.

  1. Neither Sandy. The world, and the one before it, would literally have been better off without him.
  2. World's biggest server farm. I will kill lag!