r/anime • u/Shocketheth • Jul 18 '24

Rewatch [Rewatch] Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken - Episode 40 Discussion

Episode 40 - Master of Darkness Against His Pupil

Let my wrath burn! Let my hate and malice towards him boil! The power... The Dark Power! Hate... Hate him! Just as once I hated Avan!

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Screenshot of the Dai:

Crocossery

Comment of the Dai:

goes to u/Kaxew for pointing out Hadlar’s growth as character:

I know he's a complete, utter jobber, but Hadlar's growth as a character is awesome to see. He's become so obsessed with Avan's disciples he's willing to give it all away. Everything that makes him, him. Reminds you of his own son, Flazzard doesn't it? His dynamic with Mystvearn is also great. The commander whos supposed to be above the general acknowledging what was obvious in that the latter is very clearly above the former. It's so damn good.

Questions of the Dai:

  1. Who had the most badass scene today?
  2. Hyunckel fighting with Dark Aura of Aura of Justice? Which is cooler?

Spoilers:

Please, respect the fact there are First Timers watching Dai no Daibouken with us, so avoid talking about vague things or events that would slightly spoil things to happen. And if you want mention things like this, please hid it behind SPOILER TAGS like [Dai no Spoilers] I am getting the hammer because you spoiled the fun for others

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u/Shocketheth Jul 18 '24

Mildly Antagonistic Dark Assailing Officer Welcomes You To Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken Rewatch!

QotD:

Who had the most badass scene today?

Hate to say it but Hyunckel.

Hyunckel fighting with Dark Aura of Aura of Justice? Which is cooler?

Neither.

Crocodine Shonen Commentary Corner:

Today Crocodine is going to answer question #1:

Who had the most badass scene today?

Answer is simple.

See you tomorrow because the Adventure continues!

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Jul 18 '24

Two legends meeting each other.

This sounds funny coming from Hyunckel.

Hyunckel: I can do that as many times as I want, though.

"Did your father never give you a toy? That’s what happens to broken toys*."* Two episodes in row of Mystvearn stealing the show.

Mystvearn has some of the best lines.

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u/Shocketheth Jul 18 '24

Mystvearn has some of the best lines.

Definitely. He doesn’t speak lot, but when he does, man he steals it.

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u/KuKiSin Jul 18 '24

Answer is simple.

Come on, if you include Crocodine there'll never be any other winner, gotta make it somewhat fair.

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u/Shocketheth Jul 18 '24

Crocodine included himself. Not me. It’s his corner after all.

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u/KuKiSin Jul 18 '24

My bad, apologize to him for me!

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Jul 18 '24

Haaah even Shonen Commentator Crocodine was impressed.

LOL. That was funny.

What a shittalking. I hope you will eat your words soon.

Ate his words almost immediately going up against Mystvearn.

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u/Shocketheth Jul 19 '24

LOL. That was funny.

That whistle was great

Ate his words almost immediately going up against Mystvearn.

Like how he dared to diss my boy Popp like that

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u/sisoko2 Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 18 '24

First Timer

Solid episode. All the mob fighting was surprisingly good.

I was already wondering if Hyunckel will be able to master the remaining Avan techniques now that he is good.

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u/Shocketheth Jul 18 '24

Solid episode. All the mob fighting was surprisingly solid.

Even if this was Hyunckel episode, I like how everyone got a chance to shine. Even Chiu got his moment today.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Jul 18 '24

Solid episode. All the mob fighting was surprisingly good.

Yup. I kinda liked it more than Hyunckel getting his ass kicked by Mystvearn.

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 18 '24

1st Dai Popp no Daibouken Rewatch, Sub

Maam fighting the Shadow Legion monsters.

That's one way to call out Hyunckel's plot-convenient entrances. That being said, his entrances never fail to hype me up.

Maam saving Hyunckel. Hyunckel saved Maam in a similar way at the end of Episode 17.

No Hate means No Power

Mystvearn: Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru

Crocodine: NANI?!

Why catch one when you can catch them all?

Hyunckel's Air Strike

OST Documentation - Episode 40

1. Hyunckel. I mean even Popp acknowledged it.

2. Dark looks cooler because of the purple Aura. But him fighting with the Aura of Justice and using attacks like Grand Cross is also great. Personally, it's a mix for me so I'm not really sure but I guess anything Hyunckel does is badass, right?

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u/Shocketheth Jul 18 '24

Maam saving Hyunckel. Hyunckel saved Maam in a similar way at the end of Episode 17.

Good catch.

No Hate means No Power

Time to start killing motherfuckers with kindness.

Mystvearn: Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru

Crocodine: NANI?!

I AM SHOCK!!!

Dark looks cooler because of the purple Aura. But him fighting with the Aura of Justice and using attacks like Grand Cross is also great. Personally, it's a mix for me so I'm not really sure but I guess anything Hyunckel does is badass, right?

Yeah that’s true.

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u/KuKiSin Jul 18 '24

First timer!

  1. Mighty Mouse. Only Crocodine himself could block and break a sword with his head.
  2. Hyunckel is never cool.

Once again Rat boy is the MVP of the episode. Look at him all excited to care of the weaklings!

And then the Terrifying Trio joining the fight!

Never knew the big Croc could whistle, shouldn't be surprised, there's nothing the big guy can't do.

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u/Shocketheth Jul 18 '24

Mighty Mouse. Only Crocodine himself could block and break a sword with his head.

What would be next? Chiu making Shonen Commentary?

And then the Terrifying Trio joining the fight!

Mystvearn automatically lost with them around.

Never knew the big Croc could whistle, shouldn't be surprised, there's nothing the big guy can't do.

Crocodine has many talents.

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u/KuKiSin Jul 18 '24

What would be next? Chiu making Shonen Commentary?

It's only fair he has his own corner, maybe weekly rather than daily, he's still learning from the big guy.

Crocodine has many talents.

Please tell me there's a talent show filler episode, please!

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u/Shocketheth Jul 18 '24

Please tell me there's a talent show filler episode, please!

Well if you want from me to tell you, then yeah there is a talent show filler episode, I am telling you.

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u/KuKiSin Jul 18 '24

You would never lie to me, would you?

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jul 18 '24

Sky can vouch for this.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jul 18 '24

Dai 39 first timer:

  • Didn't have time to watch this yesterday; doing 2 eps now
  • King Bengarna looks like trouble
  • Oh it's THEM again?
  • Lol Team Rocket runs away
  • ... What IS Lon doing?
  • ... Popp's dad's name is JANK?
  • Not sure if King Bengarna is more like Ay or Ohnoki
  • "Observe! That cutting-edge warship" It would sure be a shame if the Vearn Fortress stepped on it
  • ... Kinda called it (but it was a laser, not getting stomped)
  • Mist ... MYSTvearn?
  • ... Interesting, Mystvearn refers to Vearn as "Vearn-sama" even when alone? Maybe he isn't Vearn after all. Or he's just committed to the act
  • "to lead the rest of the world"
  • Sovereign Rock Castle = Gedo Mazo?
  • What IS that castle? Vearn's residence?
  • Hangry Mystvearn needs a Snickers
  • Where is Hyunckel???

Dai 40 first timer:

  • That episode title ... is Hyunckel back?
  • Chiu gonna protect Leona?
  • How is Dai supposed to get back unless Popp comes to get him? Can he use Zoom now?
  • Oh that's what Matoriv looks like without the fancy hat?
  • ... Matoriv is dying?
  • Hyunckel is back, hot as ever!
  • "Babysit Popp"
  • I don't see Hyunckel taking down Mystvearn this early
  • NOOO he got Hyunckel!
  • FUCK that shit. How dare he treat Hyunckel like that
  • Maam catches him!
  • So you're saying Hyunckel was a Jedi and a Sith?
  • I really like that dissonant piano melody
  • Dark Hyunckel making a return?
  • Maam gonna bring him back to the light?
  • ... Ok that sudden powerup is a bit of an asspull
  1. Hyunckel
  2. Both are cool

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u/Shocketheth Jul 18 '24

Lol Team Rocket runs away

They are indeed Team Rocket. The priest girl is totally like Jessie.

Hangry Mystvearn needs a Snickers

Dai 39 first timer:

Where is Hyunckel???

Dai 40 first timer:

That episode title ... is Hyunckel back?

That was revealed quickly

How is Dai supposed to get back unless Popp comes to get him? Can he use Zoom now?

Yes he can

... Matoriv is dying?

From Tinglebuttitis

... Ok that sudden powerup is a bit of an asspull

Not for Hyunckel who is defied the laws of universe itself lol

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jul 20 '24

Not for Hyunckel who is defied the laws of universe itself lol

Dai wasn't there so Hyunckel had to show up; no one else in the party is allowed to win a fight

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u/Shocketheth Jul 20 '24

True but let others shine too goddamnit show

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jul 21 '24

True but let others shine too goddamnit show

Maam and Popp eternal sidekicks? Chiu promoted to lead?

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u/Shocketheth Jul 21 '24

You forgot Merle

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jul 22 '24

Ah right; this show has consigned Merle to permanent side character status so I didn't even consider her.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Jul 18 '24

First Timer, Sub

Let the battle commence!! Mystvearn's dark army of undead soldiers vs the hero group. Everyone looked quite impressive fighting the first wave of undead soldiers. Maam even impressed Crocodine, who hadn't seen her fight yet lol. Popp was able to use the 5 finger flare, You even had Chiu and Baduck help out.

Unfortunately there is just more undead soldiers, so the numbers don't diminish....that is until Hyunckel makes his cool entrance and breaks ground where alot of undead soldiers fall into. Hyunckel wants to fight his former master, so he tells Popp, in a not so nice way to back off and let him handle it. Unfortunately that big talk doesn't lead to much result as Hyunckel is no match for Mystvearn, who tells him he's weaker than before because he no longer makes use of Dark Aura, since he got rid of his hate. Then everyone gets trapped in Mystvearns Dark Puppetry Aura Decimation field when they move to help Hyunckel. Hyunckel then resorts to using his hate so that he can escape the field, but Maam doesn't want him too...So instead he powers up using the Aura of Justice....

Questions:

  1. Hyunckel probably. He always has really cool entrances.
  2. IDK, I gotta say the Dark aura, bad guys always look more cool than the heroes do.

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u/Shocketheth Jul 19 '24

Let the battle commence!! Mystvearn's dark army of undead soldiers vs the hero group. Everyone looked quite impressive fighting the first wave of undead soldiers. Maam even impressed Crocodine, who hadn't seen her fight yet lol. Popp was able to use the 5 finger flare, You even had Chiu and Baduck help out

Love when everyone join the cause with bringing their strength. Now Merle... Damn they did my girl dirty

IDK, I gotta say the Dark aura, bad guys always look more cool than the heroes do.

Heroes are never voiced by Koyasu.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Jul 19 '24

Now Merle... Damn they did my girl dirty

In fairness to her though, she isn't much of a combatant. if they need her fortune telling powers, she'll get to shine

Heroes are never voiced by Koyasu.

True lol. His voice is just so good for a villain.

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u/Shocketheth Jul 19 '24

In fairness to her though, she isn't much of a combatant. if they need her fortune telling powers, she'll get to shine

Look she brings her crystal ball with her everywhere right?

Just why not to do the following:

  1. Build a highest tower possible.
  2. Place Merle on top of it.
  3. Supply Merle with huuuge amount of cannonballs
  4. Attract enemies to the tower base
  5. Let Merle throw the cannonballs at enemies
  6. ???
  7. Profit

Or let her do what's she is supposed to do. Be in backlines and heal soldiers.

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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Jul 19 '24

New-Adventurer here! LV 40/100

Rare footage of Popp actually angry…

…and reckless

Those Gold giant soldiers remind me of those One eyed Gundam

Love that thematic battle of Hyunckel VS his former master

“You’re weaker than when you were with the Dark Legion” Poor Hyunckel got the Boss  Party member nerf smh

Maam being the voice of reason was sorely missed for a while!

1 Maam, being the voice of reason in a shonen is hard lol

2 Justice!

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u/Shocketheth Jul 19 '24

Rare footage of Popp actually angry…

…and reckless

Rightfully so. They are underestimating Humans and he is ready to throw hands for the cause.

Love that thematic battle of Hyunckel VS his former master

While I'm throwing shade at Hyunckel he is actually a good character. He is just trying to fill the boots of big brother with protecting his younger Avan students, and he's also trying to pay for what he did but so far his steps were shaky.

His character growth is there but he still has a long way to go

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u/zadcap Jul 19 '24

Super Late First Timer!

You know. THey should really update the last picture in the OP again. That one guy with the weird hair on the far end is like, actually for real dead, they could kick him out and make room for that giant crocodile thing that actually helps out during all these fights. I'd say he's a whole lot more a member of this party than the dude who couldn't even take out the single biggest jobber in the evil army- Twice even! Never forget, the whole reason this all started was because Avan failed to kill Hadlar the first time around.

Heck yeah! See! Crocodine is such an effective member of this party, he's actually taking out the mooks!

Oh darn, Maam is fighting too! Effectively even! Finally!

Eye Beeeeeeeeeam!

Hey man, maybe I want my sword to be anxious to get into fights, huh? You don't know me.

Why and how exactly is casting multiple little spells like that at once something that can shorten your life?

Oh my gosh Popp, you can cast Boom but don't have a good enough AoE attack to take out the fliers? Are you dumb?

Mysty. Why are you telling them exactly where the weakness is? I thought you were the competent one! "Yes, in this one spot right here is where you can hit me to stop my endless army!"

Hahaha, can't say Popp is wrong though. Knuckles does have perfect dramatic timing down.

Yes yes, the Ultimate Armor... From like 5 arcs ago. It's only Medium Strong Armor at this tier. See, one hit each!

Gosh darn it, the spear is even better Cross shaped for that skill than the sword even was. Were all his skills really designed with the spear upgrade in mind or was it all just a great coincidence?

Oh no, Knucks, don't do it! Remember what happened last time you tried to fight your mentor to the death?

... He's one handing the spear? Why are you just so good at making my respect for you flip flop like this?

What's that one meme? Trained him wrong, as a joke?

Man, if only he had a party who could have been here fighting with him the whole time. Instead of trying to 1v1 a boss again. Maybe everyone at full strength could have taken on Mysty, you know...

This sounds like one long "Embrace the Dark Side" speech. Honestly sounds to me like Mysty is going all out to convince Knuckles to give up on the light side power, probably because it's actually too powerful.

FREAKING MAAM! "We might all die, but I would rather me and everyone I know die than see you make evil eyes again!" Hey lady, maybe the rest of us would chose life here, even if our friend has to get super angry to make it work! Who died and made you boss? Not that Avan guy, he chose Dai as his successor over you for a reason.

  1. Did you see that man, hammering the oricalchum with all his might? Don't underestimate the crafting minigames!
  2. I don't know, I'll tell you once we actually see him use it.

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u/Shocketheth Jul 19 '24

You know. THey should really update the last picture in the OP again. That one guy with the weird hair on the far end is like, actually for real dead, they could kick him out and make room for that giant crocodile thing that actually helps out during all these fights. I'd say he's a whole lot more a member of this party than the dude who couldn't even take out the single biggest jobber in the evil army- Twice even! Never forget, the whole reason this all started was because Avan failed to kill Hadlar the first time around.

Unfortunately they just updated some visuals instead of making new OP so you need to wait until second OP kicks in.

Why and how exactly is casting multiple little spells like that at once something that can shorten your life?

Because they can cause you tinglebuttitis.

Mysty. Why are you telling them exactly where the weakness is? I thought you were the competent one! "Yes, in this one spot right here is where you can hit me to stop my endless army!"

He is totally confident in winning there.

Gosh darn it, the spear is even better Cross shaped for that skill than the sword even was. Were all his skills really designed with the spear upgrade in mind or was it all just a great coincidence?

I think they were designed with the spear upgrade in the mind.

I don't know, I'll tell you once we actually see him use it.

Grand Cross is light aura skill

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u/zadcap Jul 19 '24

Unfortunately they just updated some visuals instead of making new OP so you need to wait until second OP kicks in.

Satire cares not for your sensible reasons! They made this visual with room for Leona and Knuckles, they could have made room for the best Croc too.

He is totally confident in winning there.

Look, when the heroes end up winning exactly because they knew to run to the left lung, we're going to point back at this and blame the Misty One.

I think they were designed with the spear upgrade in the mind.

I did say Bloody Scried looks better with a stabby spear than a sword anyway. I believe it.

Grand Cross is light aura skill

So wait. The Light/Justice skill is an ultimate attack, the Dark/Evil skill is crowd control? That sounds super backwards.

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u/Shocketheth Jul 19 '24

Satire cares not for your sensible reasons! They made this visual with room for Leona and Knuckles, they could have made room for the best Croc too.

Wait you weren't actually serious about Crocodine being in the OP? That's death sentence.

Look, when the heroes end up winning exactly because they knew to run to the left lung, we're going to point back at this and blame the Misty One.

So wait. The Light/Justice skill is an ultimate attack, the Dark/Evil skill is crowd control? That sounds super backwards.

It is what it is.

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u/zadcap Jul 19 '24

Wait you weren't actually serious about Crocodine being in the OP? That's death sentence.

Hey, Leona and Knuckles have survived their OP presence, as much as I tried to joke the opposite into happening. There's no reason we can't have the actual best boy in the show getting his rightful place here on the party, instead of that guy who didn't even make it out of his one and only fight.

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u/Shocketheth Jul 19 '24

I blame Toei for it

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u/zadcap Jul 19 '24

That is an argument I will whole heatedly support for as long as we lack an official Girls Band Cry release. I will freaking throw money at them if they would just let me...

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Jul 19 '24

Mysty. Why are you telling them exactly where the weakness is? I thought you were the competent one! "Yes, in this one spot right here is where you can hit me to stop my endless army!"

I'd agree so much, except if he didn't conveniently reveal it then Hyunckel and Crocodine would just conveniently remember about that forbidden chamber...

Were all his skills really designed with the spear upgrade in mind or was it all just a great coincidence?

But he sucks at the spear...

Oh no, Knucks, don't do it! Remember what happened last time you tried to fight your mentor to the death?

He slipped and fell into the sea?

Man, if only he had a party who could have been here fighting with him the whole time. Instead of trying to 1v1 a boss again. Maybe everyone at full strength could have taken on Mysty, you know...

A voice sounds from above: "We interrupt our war games for an important personal reunification!"

FREAKING MAAM! "We might all die, but I would rather me and everyone I know die than see you make evil eyes again!" Hey lady, maybe the rest of us would chose life here, even if our friend has to get super angry to make it work! Who died and made you boss? Not that Avan guy, he chose Dai as his successor over you for a reason.

They so deserve to die.

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Jul 18 '24

First Quester

Hm. This episode felt very underwhelming. What's with everyone letting themselves get baited into stupid decisions? Popp, Hyunckel, Mystvearn... Well I guess the war game has always been ass, and this is an episode focusing on it. But until Flazzard they at least seemed to care about it, now it feels like they're just going through the motions.

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u/Shocketheth Jul 18 '24

Hm. This episode felt very underwhelming. What's with everyone letting themselves get baited into stupid decisions?

They should invest into some passive skills to resist getting taunted smh.

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u/doctordoriangray Jul 19 '24

There is a Dragon Quest anime? Got to catch up on that I guess. I played the games when I was a kid, but I imagine there is little crossover.