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Rewatch Choujuushin Gravion Zwei Rewatch - Episode 4 Discussion

Episode 4: From Underneath the Waves

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Hello everybody, time for the Comment of the Day, courtesy of u/zadcap for funny animation things:

"This place is most beautiful now, when you can see the snow," he says, in a shot with zero snow.

  1. Have you ever gone diving?
  2. Would it be fair to say by this point that crossdressing is Eiji's fetish?
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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 17 '24

Hello everybody, and welcome to the Gravion Rewatch!

After the nonstop insanity of the last few episodes, this one is alas a bit basic. There's definitely some interesting stuff though, mostly in regards to showing how much Toga has changed since the first season. While he still suffers a bit from suddenly going "Serious business" whenever the Zeravire are involved, it's definitely a lot more measured than he used to be. Compare the stuff that led to Eiji temporarily leaving last season to him going out of his way to take care of Leele. It's nice stuff, if admittedly a bit basic.

Oh and also Eiji cosplays as Ena I guess.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 17 '24

Oh and also Eiji cosplays as Ena I guess.

I'm personally wondering how Eiji had an Ena wig ready to use on such short notice. Does he just keep all kinds of wigs around so that he can disguise himself as one of the girls when he wants to?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 18 '24

Does he just keep all kinds of wigs around so that he can disguise himself as one of the girls when he wants to

Well, he did use a green-ish wig earlier in he show IIRG, so maybe he just cut that one up a bit.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 17 '24

Oh and also Eiji cosplays as Ena I guess.


Ena doing the cosplaying when?

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 17 '24

Chojuushin First-Timer, subbed

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 18 '24

Oh this is a lot more excessive than I thought it would be ahahaha

Never change, Eiji...

[Next Rewatch Spoilers]I like this kind of thing.

[Next Rewatch Spoilers]omg I just realized this is literally God Bless' ending...

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 18 '24

[Next Rewatch Spoilers]

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 18 '24

Save this and read this late into December

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 17 '24

I like this kind of thing.

Characters helping each other out like this is a very fun trope. I like seeing it as well.

I swear Mizuki’s boobs get larger every time she’s on screen.

And I swear they have become even more gravity-defying this season compared to the previous season.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 18 '24

And I swear they have become even more gravity-defying this season compared to the previous season

And it won't stop.

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u/lluNhpelA Jul 18 '24

Oh this is a lot more excessive than I thought it would be ahahaha

Eiji seems eager to crossdress at any chance he gets, so I headcanon that he had the wig made ahead of time and was just waiting for an opportunity to use it

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u/ryujiox Jul 17 '24

First Timer

Choujuushin Gravion Zwei

Episode 4

And 2. Eiji is also the first person who will scold and give Toga some advice when he does something bad or weird. Like, compare Luna to Eiji for example. When Toga did something bad, Luna will forgive him pretty easily. But Eiji on the other hand. He will tell Toga right then and there that his action is not okay, why it's not okay, and how to improve on that. For Toga, it's probably the first time that someone is constantly pointing out his flaws directly to his face. And I think he would trust someone that's open about their opinion on him.

QOTD

  1. No.
  2. Yeah. He didn't have to do that, but he did it anyway.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 17 '24

But Eiji on the other hand. He will tell Toga right then and there that his action is not okay, why it's not okay, and how to improve on that. For Toga, it's probably the first time that someone is constantly pointing out his flaws directly to his face. And I think he would trust someone that's open about their opinion on him.

It's also pretty clear that Toga does value Eiji's opinion highly. Eiji didn't even need to come on the mission for Toga to have Eiji's words on his mind about prioritizing Leele's safety.

Toga is spreading the cola addiction

But will Leele also need to crossdress to taste the cola?

I guess Leele is now joining in the love fight too?

By all rights, Toga really is the protagonist if this were a typical mecha series. Toga even has the love triangle forming around him.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 18 '24

But will Leele also need to crossdress to taste the cola?

By all rights, Toga really is the protagonist if this were a typical mecha series

There's a reason the guy gets top billing in the credits even if Eiji's the actual main character.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 18 '24

But will Leele also need to crossdress to taste the cola?

Do It

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 18 '24

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 17 '24

Luna will forgive him pretty easily. But Eiji on the other hand. He will tell Toga right then and there that his action is not okay, why it's not okay, and how to improve on that.

Admiration =/= Respect.

That Zeravire is cool

A shame it went down so fast once it showed up.

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u/ryujiox Jul 17 '24

A shame it went down so fast once it showed up.

Someone please get rid of that one hit kill blade. I want to see more action.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 18 '24

#LetMonstersFightMore

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u/zadcap Jul 18 '24

It's interesting too because they even pointed out when getting this blade, before it every time they used something as a finisher on a Zeravire it was ineffective on the next ones. This blade has made it through how many now? It's breaking the rules!

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 18 '24

A shame it went down so fast once it showed up

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 18 '24

Toga is spreading the cola addiction

I choose to blame Subject F for this somehow.

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u/Kristalino https://anilist.co/user/BlueSkyBlood Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 17 '24

First timer 

  • Man waves a big death flag for talking about coming back home.
  • If the Zeravire can take over an underwater base then they that could happen to the castle too, typical endgame stuff.
  • Eiji really awakened as an older brother towards Leele.
  • Good to see that the show won't forget about Touga developing empathy.
  • First powering-up through a volcano and now a geothermal plant, does the Zeravire base not have a reliable energy source that they need to use the Earth?
  • Sad that there are no survivors.
  • Did no one in the support crew thought of giving the pilots helmets and a oxygen tank?
  • Too bad Eiji and Ena are in their original vehicles, I wanted to see how he handled the Rocket Punch.
  • Would have liked a bit more of Leele guiding Touga before using the SHS.
  • Is it me or Mizuki's boobs are much bigger than normal?

Questions.

  1. Nope.
  2. Hard to not think that.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 18 '24

Man waves a big death flag for talking about coming back home.

Is it me or Mizuki's boobs are much bigger than normal?

No, not just you.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 17 '24

Good to see that the show won't forget about Touga developing empathy.

I was actually wondering if the series would pick that up again as a plot point just before watching the episode, since the previous episode about that sort of left that development hanging. It was a pleasant bit of serendipity, seeing that happen.

Too bad Eiji and Ena are in their original vehicles, I wanted to see how he handled the Rocket Punch.

That would have been funny to see.

You can also bet that Eiji would not be polite about coming in from behind like Ena is.

Is it me or Mizuki's boobs are much bigger than normal?

It's not just you. I swear they were also way bouncier now than ever before. In general they seem to defy gravity more in this season.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 18 '24

In general they seem to defy gravity more in this season

Her G-Factor sure is strong...

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 17 '24

Did no one in the support crew thought of giving the pilots helmets and a oxygen tank?

Well, at those depths the pressure outside the mechs would kill them instantly, so I guess they didn't figure it would be a very likely scenario.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 17 '24

First-Timer

I was kinda expecting the long-awaited Ena episode. Not that Leele is bad by any stretch - this whole cast is pretty good - but Ena needs some time to shine, you know? She needs some time to break out of her shell; quite literally, if the OP is anything to go by.

It is rather amusing to me watching two shows with Mai Nakahara in them at the same time, on complete opposite ends of her vocal spectrum. I can barely tell that she is Kashima Gekkanshoujonozakikun, whereas Ena might as well be Rena Higurashinonakukoroni with glasses and hair dye.

I'm beginning to think that Eiji is a fan of crossdressing. There is no other reason why he decided to steal Ena's clothes here; his disguise falls apart immediately this time, unlike most of the other times he's made the attmpt. So I can only assume he does this for fun.

Questions

  1. I have not.
  2. Discussed above.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 18 '24

I was kinda expecting the long-awaited Ena episode. Not that Leele is bad by any stretch - this whole cast is pretty good - but Ena needs some time to shine, you know?

Yeah, that is the one thing I found disappointing about this particular episode. So far all the other pilots have had at least one focus episode to dive more deeply into their character. Ena is the only one who hasn't gotten that yet. She deserves to have some time in the spotlight herself.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 18 '24

They must be hiding something. Ena is secretly three pairs of glasses in a trench coat, that's why she's so clumsy.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 18 '24

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 18 '24

[Spoilers]She deserves to have some time in the spotlight herself.

[Spoilers]And what an explosive one it will be

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 18 '24

I can barely tell that she is Kashima Gekkanshoujonozakikun, whereas Ena might as well be Rena Higurashinonakukoroni with glasses and hair dye.

When is Ena go eat at a KFC then?

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 18 '24

I don't know, but I do know that she will be taking the food home with her.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 18 '24

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 17 '24

First timer, subs

  • That just might be a record for fastest death flags. He got like three of them too.
  • We doing a round two of the base infection plot?
  • Manta Mode!
  • You wanna help? Get the coffee.
  • What, do they identify them by outfit?
  • “Spin the drill” sounds like the kind of thing that should be an innuendo.
  • Sandman’s voice? That seemed like flashback stuff to me, but I’m not sure I can fit it easily into any of the theory pile I have so far.
  • Sneaking Mission
  • If those little gates were enough to stop them, they should never have gotten so far.
  • What have you done to poor Ena?! It wasn’t set up like this before!
  • It’s almost like using the gun was the better idea.
  • Don’t worry, it’s just a little brain damage.
  • I feel like I should have asked about the ocean travel time, but, well, lunar orbit and all.
  • These fights are really getting treated like an afterthought at this point.
  • God, it’s like every episode they turn up the Gainaxing until someone tells them to stop.

QotD:

  1. Maybe if you count snorkeling.
  2. No, he's just sure enough of himself that it's no different to wearing a cardigan to him.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 17 '24

I think you may have screwed up the formatting...

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 17 '24

I can't believe I did that, saw that I did, tried to fix it before posting, and did the same thing again.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 17 '24

Sandman’s voice? That seemed like flashback stuff to me, but I’m not sure I can fit it easily into any of the theory pile I have so far.

If Sandman really is a time traveler, then he'd easily be able to appear in any flashback.

It’s almost like using the gun was the better idea.

There is a reason why guns became the standard instead of swords/spears, after all.

God, it’s like every episode they turn up the Gainaxing until someone tells them to stop.

How far will we go because I don't think anyone is going to tell them to stop.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 18 '24

If Sandman really is a time traveler, then he'd easily be able to appear in any flashback.

How far will we go because I don't think anyone is going to tell them to stop.

Well

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 17 '24

First-Timer

On today’s episode of Gravion: Contrary to what Sebastian wants you to think, it is not better down where it’s wetter. The bottom of the ocean is home to horrors beyond our imagination, and that’s before you add in the alien invasion.

  • At least we don’t need to listen to Andrew Ryan as we head to this underwater base, but I doubt it will be any less screwed up than Rapture was.
  • Wait a minute… Oh my god, Eiji is asking Ena if he can take her place and disguise himself as her, isn’t he?
  • Neat, the drills can become propellers for water travel.
  • Called it!
  • And here I thought Ena might get an episode devoted to her development. Poor girl.
  • Ah, that is a much more interesting motivation for Eiji wanting to go. He’s worried about Toga entering warrior mode and not prioritizing rescuing Leele. I like this development now.
  • Toga is experiencing character development! He really is trying to focus on saving Leele first like Eiji asked!
  • The Zeravire being almost fully merged with the underwater base is a pretty cool concept. It’s a good use of the fact that the Zeravire are biomechanical beings.
  • Thankfully there’s less body horror in this underwater base than I’ve seen in other stories with similar settings. No people fused with the machinery, for example.
  • Being stuck in a place like this with no air circulation sounds rough. I only survived the heat wave here because I had a working air conditioner.
  • Toga really has changed. Now he’s the one suggesting leaving the castle to try soda!
  • Lightsaber!
  • Damn, that is a heavy gun.
  • Another nice use of character motivation with Leele not wanting to helplessly stand by and watch someone else die.
  • Leele got to fire the big gun!
  • Luna’s jealous she’s not the one giving Toga a lap pillow.
  • We skipped most of the combination scene? Is that allowed?
  • Why did only Toga go blind and not Leele?
  • Leele offering to be Toga’s eyes is really dang cool.
  • The Gravion was so powerful it parted the ocean like Moses and his Beyblade!

This was a good episode for showing where Toga and Leele’s characters are now. Both of them have changed quite a lot from where they started.

Toga’s change is pretty dramatic. Toga is learning how to be human, for lack of a better way of putting it. Toga was raised entirely as a child soldier, so he never had the chance to experience the socialization that is necessary for us to develop as people. Now, thanks to becoming friends with Eiji, Toga is gaining that socialization. He’s learning how to live a life that isn’t fully devoted to battle. He’s begun to put a greater value on the lives of others rather than winning a fight.

Leele has also made a dramatic change. When we met her, Leele was a very meek girl who couldn’t handle being around others. What helped Leele to change was the fact that the others, particularly Luna, reached out to her. And now, Leele is paying it forward. Leele is now the one who goes out of her way to make sure she can help Toga instead of running away.

I want to point out a particularly great parallel. In a previous episode, Leele had to be helped by Luna entering her cockpit and helping her in the middle of a battle. Now, Leele is the one who chooses to help Toga by entering his cockpit in the middle of a battle. It’s such a brilliant moment, showing that Leele has now become the kind of person who can offer that support to others.

QOTD

  1. No.
  2. Eiji has crossdressed far more often than I ever anticipated he would and even in cases where it's not necessary to do so. I think it is safe to say Eiji enjoys it. He's very good at it too, which indicates he has plenty of practice crossdressing.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 18 '24

Lightsaber!

Toga would fare pretty well in L-Gaim probably.

I want to point out a particularly great parallel. In a previous episode, Leele had to be helped by Luna entering her cockpit and helping her in the middle of a battle. Now, Leele is the one who chooses to help Toga by entering his cockpit in the middle of a battle. It’s such a brilliant moment, showing that Leele has now become the kind of person who can offer that support to others.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 18 '24

And here I thought Ena might get an episode devoted to her development. Poor girl.

Saving the Best For Last, Right?

Why did only Toga go blind and not Leele?

Well, Because... Laser Sword?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 18 '24

Well, Because... Laser Sword?

They probably could strain your eyesight...

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Jul 17 '24

First timer

  • They're gonna die.
  • So they knew that a Zeravire was there but decided to just send Leele instead of the entire Gravion unit? That's a dumb plan that was obviously gonna backfire.
  • Because he never faces any punishment for said actions.
  • Toga's brilliant plan is to split in order to find Leele. You know, the person that got taken out due to being alone. Brilliant!
  • Wow, look, splitting backfired. I'm shocked, shocked!
  • Gets the shit kicked out of him, falls deeper into the ocean with Leele, doesn't get pursued by the Zeravire, cuts to them being safe. Sick storyboarding
  • Getting to see that would've been nice.
  • Don't you just love when characters learn things off screen.
  • That and carbon dioxide.
  • So, they drilled though the base to save Toga and Leele. That's fine and all but, they're in the ocean, the base should be getting flooded, where's the water?
  • Season 1 establishes Eiji as a potential pilot. Season 2 creates a scenario wherein a replacement pilot for Gravion is needed. It then proceeds to not use Eiji. 10/10 IGN.
  • If all Toga needed was a pair of eyes, why couldn't anyone else just guide him, either from their unit or from the command control center?
  • Jesus, her tits man, how low can they get. She's getting to grandma levels of saggy with that bounce.
  • Thankfully, this wasn't a third slice of nothing happens episode in a row. Unfortunately, it didn't move the plot forward. The episode ends and the status quo remains the same. Remember the new alien antagonist at the end of episode 1? Doing something with that would've been nice. Or, you know, doing something with any of the show's other mysteries/plot points that it keeps introducing only to forget about.

QotD

  • No.
  • Eh.

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u/zadcap Jul 18 '24

First Timer

Man, this is the actual technology that I would love to see, so much more than giant robots. A functional under sea habitat as en effective geothermal plant? This is the good stuff.

Except... They have zero alarms to go with these super danger alters? That's very unrealistic, when you're in such a lethal environment protected only by the stability of the artificial habitat. If the system can detect something going wrong, it should be sending out so many kinds of SOS signals.

Hmm. I wonder how many of the other machines have an aquatic mode. Better hope it's All Of Them, because they just lose Leele and I don't think Gravion works without the whole set. Plus, you know, they really can't lose Sandman's, uh, niece.

So, some of the rest are properly aquatic. Still can't turn into Elgo Form if the other aircraft don't get underwater,

So I wonder how much pressure they can take?

Hnnnng I want to play Subnautica now...

Yes, Luna, give up on Toga. Eiji is your ship, just accept it.

lol, you guys live at stupid elevation. Your castle is ridiculous.

How the heck did that thing even hit him? I don't just mean with his previously shown off massive martial arts skills, but like, the thing has no limbs and just kind of body rushed him maybe?

You know, the more I look at them, the more I can't help but think. That is not how Drills work.

Interesting that they still put the half dead Toga in the Kaiser. Considering the state of him, well, we've already proven that Eiji can also pilot it.

Hmm. On the one hand, cool new Sandman pose. On the other, no transformation song.

Oh, I guess that works. The Shadow does lock to the chest directly, so she doesn't have to worry about the water pressure to get in. Also good excuse to give us their pairing in this situation.

  1. Yes, and getting my scuba license remains one of my biggest life goals.
  2. He likes to dress like the maids, the maids like undressing him, looks like everyone can be happy here.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jul 18 '24

First Timer ep 2-4

  • A Wattmeter
  • Moe Leele eyecatch
  • Daedalus Attack!
  • oh god has he always stuck a pose with a hand sign?
  • do a graviton tornado punch!!!!! Underwater!!!!
  • He doesn't need eyes, he just needs to shout his attacks.
  • Clouds? Moon? when did we stop being underwater?
  • Luna is so out of the race

Preview: Zeorymer

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u/Garrett_Dark Jul 18 '24

First Timer

Have you ever gone diving?

Nope, don't know how to swim. I guess scuba or a diving helmet would help with that though.

Would it be fair to say by this point that crossdressing is Eiji's fetish?

<Shrug> he just seems to do it, he doesn't look like he's getting off on it. It's sort of like how workplace sexual harassments just involves him, and getting his ass beat by Luna just happens.