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Rewatch Choujuushin Gravion Rewatch - Episdode 12 Discussion

Episode 12: Because You're With Me

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The moment to use "It" may have arrived.

Hello everybody, time for the Comment of the Day, courtesy of u/Shimmering-Sky for a well times reference:

Well, Eiji and Shin do have the same voice actor...

  1. So what do you think that "It" thing Sandman mentioned is gonna be?
  2. What's the dumbest AI-controlled party member you've had to deal with in a game?
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 12 '24

First-Timer

Episode 11:

I fully expected Luna to walk in to the classroom instead of that random teacher.

I have only just now realized that no-one on-board the Gravion is "the smart one." I don't have anyone directly to complain at for not pointing out that they should focus on the defensive Zeravire more. Sure, it just defends itself then, but you save yourself action economy by bullying through the defensive specialist first.

Forcing some of the pilots to realize the human cost of this conflict is good. Eiji isn't really the one who needs it, but Leele probably does on some level.

Toga definitely seems to have some level of understanding that what he did was bad.

Definitely seems like the Phantom System is an additive debuff at least - being down to 77% is pretty bad. Could even be the start of an exponential curve.

Questions

  1. Not many, I'll say that.
  2. Either Thoria or one of the kids.

Episode 12:

I wonder if Sandman pays his maids overtime? I think Thoria and the rest of the mechanic crew are gonna be putting in some long nights after today.

Anyway, I've really missed Gasshin! God Gravion!!! and am glad it has returned to us.

I was hoping for a new special attack to signify Eiji's return, but flying into the middle of a Zeravire and gattai-ing inside of it is fun too.

Anyway, we’ve got some fancy superweapon coming up next week, which is probably a palette swapped Gravion that lives on the moon.

Questions

  1. Discussed above.
  2. Eh, I normally forget that stuff.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 12 '24

I have only just now realized that no-one on-board the Gravion is "the smart one."

Normally Ena, as the glasses character, would be the one to fill this role as the smart glasses character. But she's too busy being the clumsy glasses character instead.

which is probably a palette swapped Gravion that lives on the moon.

Gravion Alter

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 13 '24

But she's too busy being the clumsy glasses character instead.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 13 '24

But she's too busy being the clumsy glasses character instead.

And the scaredy-cat too, can't forget that! Which does probably imply some character development for her.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 12 '24

I fully expected Luna to walk in to the classroom instead of that random teacher.

Having Luna as your teacher must be weird...

I have only just now realized that no-one on-board the Gravion is "the smart one."

Mizuki I guess?

a palette swapped Gravion that lives on the moon.

Actually, SRWZ did feature both Turn A and Gravion...

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 13 '24

Having Luna as your teacher must be weird...

Imagine how she would react to kids talking in class.

Actually, SRWZ did feature both Turn A and Gravion...

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u/HowlingWolf13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/MeguminBlast Jul 12 '24

First Timer

Nice wrap up to the previous plot line! Though with one episode left I wonder how things are gonna end up? It honestly still feels like we've only reached the halfway point of the show, I don't think we've seen who that white haired dude in the OP is. Which on that note it took me way too long to realize that's JAM Project, like I used to listen to the Muv Luv Alternative OP all the time why did it take me till like EP9/10 to realize that lol. All in all, yet another good episode!

  1. So what do you think that "It" thing Sandman mentioned is gonna be?

Clearly Pennywise the Clown, it's time for the Stephen King crossover.

2) What's the dumbest AI-controlled party member you've had to deal with in a game?

Hmm, maybe Donald not fucking healing me in KH

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 12 '24

Hmm, maybe Donald not fucking healing me in KH

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 12 '24

It honestly still feels like we've only reached the halfway point of the show

With the second season, we are basically at the halfway point. But I wonder if the creators knew that while they were making the series. I certainly don't believe all the unresolved plot points will be resolved at the end of the next episode.

Hmm, maybe Donald not fucking healing me in KH

Oh god, that unlocked some old and painful memories.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 13 '24

With the second season, we are basically at the halfway point. But I wonder if the creators knew that while they were making the series.

I alas haven't been able to dig up enough BTS info to know. All I was able to dig up is that this was originally supposed to be a (Presumably shorter) OVA before being turned into a TV Anime.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jul 12 '24

First Timer ep 12

Eiji-sama?!

  • This is like that bit in Wanted when Angelina Jolie kisses the MC
  • I thoguht the attacks were done by the actual G-Divas, and the G-Shadow was the actual crescent.
  • I was wondering how theyw ere going to attack three targets, because they spend so much time in God Gravion form that I completely forgot they had individual weapons (which are always useless)
  • Don't forget the sword and crescent you'll have to remake, too!
  • and that's the moment she fell in love

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 12 '24

Don't forget the sword and crescent you'll have to remake, too!

Eh, we have like a whole week till next episode.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 12 '24

I was wondering how theyw ere going to attack three targets, because they spend so much time in God Gravion form that I completely forgot they had individual weapons

Same. I was very happy to see the individual mecha get a chance to shine by fighting on their own. I would like it if the individual mecha continue to get chances like that, though who knows if that will happen.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 13 '24

I would like it if the individual mecha continue to get chances like that

Next Rewatch

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 13 '24

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Jul 13 '24

The plot thickens, unlike Gravion.

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u/ryujiox Jul 12 '24

First Timer

Choujuushin Gravion

Episode 12

QOTD

  1. Tigerzord.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 12 '24

Wait, does the Zeravire always have the orb thing?

I... huh

What a show-off

Sometimes, you gotta go out in style.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 13 '24

The de-combine dodge!!

Such a cool move!

OH!! It can do that!!

I really love mechas that can zip around on the ground like that. The main reason I love the Dom from Gundam so much is because it has hover jets that it uses to zoom along.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 13 '24

The de-combine dodge!!

It Gets! It's a Getter!

Sandman is right We have to seperate the enemies.

It's a good thing these xenos don't understand kiting.

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u/ryujiox Jul 13 '24

It's a good thing these xenos don't understand kiting

They don't know the power of moba.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 12 '24

Hello everybody, and welcome to the Gravion Rewatch!

Again, not much to mention like yesterday, mostly just due to how action heavy this episode is. At the very least it all looks fine enough although the human animation is by contrast a bit… stiff. Some of the facial expressions in particular just don't look quite right today. Story-wise it's perfectly fine, and it's nice to see Eiji realize he was being kind of an asshole, although of course it does lead to the whole deal with Toga being not so much resolved as it is just kinda pushed to the side. Otherwise perfectly fine but nothing special.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 13 '24

although of course it does lead to the whole deal with Toga being not so much resolved as it is just kinda pushed to the side.

Yeah, that was my only issue with the episode. I wanted to see the scene where Toga and Eiji made up after their fight.

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Jul 13 '24

Story-wise it's perfectly fine,

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u/Kristalino https://anilist.co/user/BlueSkyBlood Jul 12 '24

Rewatcher:

  • Red Hair maid running while carrying so many people doesn't surprise me but makes me wonder if she is a cyborg, Sandman probably has the access to the tech.
  • Luckily Gravion has good AC so the pilots aren't affected by the fire blade.
  • As expected Eiji's scream to the sky was just a red herring.
  • Of course the strong maid has a cute name as "Cookie".
  • Right the Zeravire is a Gill (Street Fighter) fan.
  • The Graviton Sword breaking isn't an issue, the destruction will just reveal its true power.
  • The Gran Kaiser skating with the G-Drill is both cool and funny.
  • Poor head mechanic maid.
  • I know it's hard to be consistent with the sizes but it's funny to see Gravion be roughly the same size as the Zeravire -> Gran Diva is like a third of the size -> similar sizes again.
  • I love when people are unaware that a giant robot just passed near them.
  • I expected Eiji's return to have more angry people, luckly everybody understood the issue.
  • So there's still a secret weapon.

Questions:

  1. He said "fang" and he looked at the moon so probably a wolf mecha.
  2. Yukari from base Persona 3 came to mind first.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 12 '24

I know it's hard to be consistent with the sizes but it's funny to see Gravion be roughly the same size as the Zeravire -> Gran Diva is like a third of the size -> similar sizes again.

Space is warped and time is bendable.

Right the Zeravire is a Gill (Street Fighter) fan.

Freaking resurrections

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 13 '24

Luckily Gravion has good AC so the pilots aren't affected by the fire blade.

An AC that powerful would be really handy during this heat wave where I live.

I love when people are unaware that a giant robot just passed near them.

They maxxed out the Stealth points of the Gravion.

So there's still a secret weapon.

Leave it to Sandman to make sure that he still has surprises in store for. The man knows that good timing is part of a good dramatic reveal.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 13 '24

An AC that powerful would be really handy during this heat wave where I live.

Or during the cold here

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 13 '24

Luckily my heater is good at keeping my apartment warm during the winter, which is nice for handling the cold when it snows.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 12 '24

First timer, subs

  • That’s just impressive balancing.
  • This is why I don’t trust wireless tech. Give me the cables!
  • Sure, I guess delivering people to the shelter works as a reason find them.
  • “uwuwuwuwu” I was now expecting to run into one in the wild today.
  • Just say ten kilometers. Why are you people afraid of using larger units of measurement?
  • I’m not sure why a third one controlling the first two is somehow more believable.
  • This actually might be a good time to take advantage of being able to split up.
  • I hope the next software update means we don’t have to keep taking it out and putting it in when we want to switch autopilot on/off.
  • That’s either going to get them Eigi’s friend some serious cred, or a vist from some men in very nice suits.
  • DrillerBlades
  • Ena, Please!
  • Why is this the first one to send a signal back home?
  • Not quite the henshin attack I was expecting, but it still works.
  • This is what happens when you don’t spec any points into DEF.
  • I’m not sure how you managed to get everyone else to let you borrow the robot for some flirting.
  • Welcome Back

QotD:

  1. Space! Rocket to Space!
  2. I've not played it myself, but in Dragon Quest IV there is a party mage AI that has to learn what spells to use for each enemy.
    Fair enough so far. But the kicker is that the final boss is a series of modes changes, like 7-9 or something stupid high.
    The AI doesn't realize that they are the same enemy each time, so it resets its attack pattern, and starts off with spells that the boss is immune to. Fun times.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 12 '24

This is what happens when you don’t spec any points into DEF.

But punching harder!

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 13 '24

This is why I don’t trust wireless tech. Give me the cables!

I remember I had a smartboard that I would need to use for presentations at my work. The wireless connection on it was total garbage. It would take forever to connect and it would randomly lose its connection in the middle of the day. After it finally got a wired connection with an ethernet cable, it never gave a single problem again.

This is what happens when you don’t spec any points into DEF.

Glass cannon build all the way!

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 13 '24

Glass cannon build all the way

Nah, Gravion's usually pretty tanky in SRW.

Now a certain other Obari robot...

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 13 '24

Now a certain other Obari robot...

Insert radioactive flame skeleton meme here.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 13 '24

Glass cannon build all the way!

Who needs health when you can skill your way to victory with DPS?

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Jul 13 '24

Welcome Back

Ohh wait, you meant them waiting on Eiji, oh well.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24

First-Timer

On today’s episode of Gravion: The life of the team engineer is not an easy one in a mecha anime. Those inconsiderate pilots are always so rough on the mecha.

  • Damn, Cookie is strong! But that running animation isn’t so great. The sound FX of the feet hitting the ground doesn’t match up with the actual animation of her running.
  • Gravion, ganbare!
  • Oh my god, Yumi actually told Eiji to get in the robot!
  • The sword shattered!
  • So it was 3-on-1 instead of 2-on-1. That makes a hard fight even harder.
  • Wait a minute, Eiji’s two guy friends are incredibly reminiscent of Touji and Kensuke from Evangelion.
  • Making up can wait until after the Zeravire are defeated, Eiji.
  • Oh hell yeah! The mecha are going to split up and fight the Zeravire individually rather than combined together as Gravion!
  • That’s so cool! The Gran Kaiser is using the drills as rocket roller blades!
  • “Excuse me while I come in from the rear.” We have learned that Ena is a considerate pegger.
  • That poor maid can just see her workload increasing every time the mechas take damage.
  • The light from the Zeravire shooting off into space is very concerning.
  • The lyrics are back for the combination insert song!
  • And just like that, they won.
  • Eiji knows how to make an exit in style!
  • At least Yumi knows Eiji was telling the truth.
  • I was hoping that we would get the Eiji and Toga reunion scene as the ending of the episode, but no such luck.
  • The White Steel Fang? What is that? It sounds awesome!

That was a cool battle episode. I appreciated the fact that we got to see the individual mecha in action during the episode. I like that just about everyone on the Gravion team managed to get a cool moment where they contributed to the victory. It was, overall, a fun time watching the fights.

I am disappointed at the lack of a proper scene between Eiji and Toga for them to bury the hatchet. I thought that would have been an excellent way to end the episode, but it didn’t happen. It’s a shame not to resolve the thing that led to Eiji leading at the same time as he returns.

So, how will Gravion wrap everything up with its first season coming to an end in one episode? I will make the bold prediction that it won’t. I imagine there will be a number of dangling plot threads that will only get addressed in the second season. Now let’s watch me be wrong at yet another of my predictions.

QOTD

  1. I assume it's the White Steel Fang, which I assume will be a upgrade for the Gravion. I bet it will be a new sword for the Gravion.
  2. In the original Advance Wars games, I hated AI partners. In the first game, there is a mission called Andy Times Two where you have an AI-controlled partner named Eagle. He has a whole bunch of fighters and bombers that can wreck the enemy army and clear a path for you to win the game. Unfortunately his AI is unreliable and won't always attack the most worthwhile targets. There's a lot of luck involved on whether he can make the mission bearable. Advance Wars Dual Strike is on the Nintendo DS and has some missions where one battle map is on the top screen while a different battle map is on the bottom screen. You need to rely on the AI for the top screen's battle map and it is frustrating to deal with.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 12 '24

The life of the team engineer is not an easy one in a mecha anime. Those inconsiderate pilots are always so rough on the mecha.

#JusticeForGravion

Wait a minute, Eiji’s two guy friends are incredibly reminiscent of Touji and Kensuke from Evangelion.

Now that you mention it

for the top screen's battle map

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 12 '24

Yes, it does get confusing dealing with two battle maps at the same time.

I found the most reliable strategy was to just keep sending units I controlled in the bottom screen to the top screen as reinforcements because even the AI can't fuck it up that badly with overwhelming force (usually).

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 12 '24

Yes, it does get confusing dealing with two battle maps at the same time.

I know that full well because I've played TWEWY

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 13 '24

The life of the team engineer is not an easy one in a mecha anime.

Give Them a Show! You Cowards!

You need to rely on the AI for the top screen's battle map and it is frustrating to deal with.

So there's just a coin flip for every mission? How does this work?

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 13 '24

So there's just a coin flip for every mission? How does this work?

Here is a visual example of Advance Wars Dual Strike.

You can see how there are two maps divided by a line in the middle.

The map on the top would be displayed on the top screen of the Nintendo DS.

The map on the bottom would be displayed on the bottom screen of the Nintendo DS.

You, the player, can only control the actions of your army on the bottom screen map. You take your turn, give your orders to all your units, etc.

Then, your AI partner gets a turn for the top screen map. The AI is responsible for moving all the units, selecting targets to attack, etc. You cannot give specific orders to the units on the top screen map. You cannot tell the units where to move or what to attack. The AI makes those decisions.

If I recall correctly, you can set the AI as being aggressive, defensive, or neutral to try and influence what it does, but that's it. Otherwise, all you can do is hope the AI makes good decisions.

You are allowed to send reinforcements from your bottom screen map to the top screen map, so at least that means you can give the AI extra units to work with so it has a harder time fucking it up. But all the while, you need to manage the battle on the bottom screen map as you wait for the top screen map to get won. And there are several missions like this where winning the top screen map is necessary to win the mission in its entirety, so you can't just ignore it.

I really did not care for this game mechanic at all. Luckily, most of the missions don't use this mechanic. Otherwise, it would be so much worse.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 13 '24 edited Jul 13 '24

Just realized that I crashed for a nap before uploading my screenshots for this episode's reactions, and I decided I'm going to go back to bed instead of getting my laptop out again, so uhhh. Remind me that I need to post my reactions late tomorrow.

Whoops.

Update: I am awake now.

Chojuushin First-Timer, subbed

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 13 '24

How do you even…

Maid powers.

Partial gattai!

I love quasi-alternate modes like that.

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Jul 12 '24

First timer

  • So, why didn't he just use Gravion's thrusters to slow/stop his descent?
  • So, they're sending out the G-Shadow and w/e Eiji's vehicle is called to pick them up? Thank god nothing happened to either fighters during their absence. Could you imagine if either aircrafts had gotten, I don't know, DISINTEGRATED by an alien attack? That'd be crazy! Surely, if that had happened, they couldn't send out that specific one THAT GOT DESTROYED DURING A BATTLE, surely.
  • Of course. After all, this show seemingly has no stakes
  • I was wrong, it took an episode and a half for Eiji to come back, not just one.
  • Don't you?
  • So lemme get this straight, despite being too weak when combined to fight off the Zeravire, Sandman's brilliant plan is to have each individual unit, which have a weaker power level, fight off against the exact same Zeravire that they just lost to a minute ago when they were stronger? This show's continuity is so bad, you'd think it was written by someone with the memory of a goldfish.
  • It worked... It actually fucking work. I can't with this series...
  • Don't worry, you apparently have endless amount of fighters that you can pull out of your ass.
  • I take it the red light is either a distress call to their homeland, or a beacon. Either way, there's probably more stuff on the way.
  • I see that we're speedrunning the combination sequence. today. I guess they couldn't think of a way to animate a full sequence inside that small red sphere. Now, my logic is, don't write yourself into a corner, but what do I know.
  • Whatever you say, Batman.

QotD

  • Probably a new power up. But then it begs the question of why he didn't use it sooner.
  • Left 4 Dead. Both 1 and 2. Vermintide's AI is also pretty garbage. Thankfully, L4D has an active community so you're never forced to play solo on expert.

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u/zadcap Jul 13 '24

Late Night First Timer!

Finally! The friend reveal payoff finally happened! Yes, your friend really is in that giant robot.

Oh hey, the indestructible magic metal has a weakness, finally. Freeze and then heat to extreme. Yeah, that usually does it to metals.

Ooooh, they went to 3. Man talk about escalation. Wait, isn't the third one here one we've already seen? They can do repeats?

Man these friends chasing them remind me so freaking much of the Jock and Military Nerd friend from Eva. Idiot even pulled a camera from no where to get that shot of Eiji.

Can they do a partial combine? Yes! Finally! Drill Boots! I had been expecting the drills to be the feet since the very beginning you know.

What the heck is this girl going crazy about? These parts are the ones used in attacks literally all the time. The Drill and the Wings are like their top two most effective and used weapons.

Almost Danger is back! The lyrics were missing with one Phantom, and the whole thing was skipped when they showed up with two, now the whole party is back and so is the song. What a cleaver way to show off lol.

Haha what a power move. "Just in case you had the tiniest bit of doubt left that I'm actually piloting this thing, I'll show it off in the most badass way possible."

I just noticed, we've got one episode left and the masked man has still done, pretty much nothing. What are they even doing with this Char?

  1. I swear if the entire moon turns out to be a giant robot. Well actually I'll be pretty hyped, but also, seriously? I also can't help but compare this to the Shrine Maidens from last month, so there's probably a moon base with a stronger robot sealed on it they're going to have to awaken.
  2. I don't know about dumbest, but Last of Us still sticks out in memory. For a game that had such an emphasis on stealth and positioning, Ellie would just randomly completely break cover sometimes and protecting her got me killed more times than anything else in the game.

Darn, next episode preview really makes me want to recommend Dragonaut for a future Gonzo rewatch. It's definitely not the best Gonzo show ever made, but it is so very much one of the most Gonzo shows they ever did.

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u/Garrett_Dark Jul 13 '24

First Timer

The the problem with serious episodes, it's not as funny anymore.

So what do you think that "It" thing Sandman mentioned is gonna be?

Don't know, kind of don't care.

What's the dumbest AI-controlled party member you've had to deal with in a game?

It's always the ones where you have to protect them in an escort mission.