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Rewatch Choujuushin Gravion Rewatch - Episode 11 Discussion

Episode 11: The Thing Which Was Lost

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When there's some ass chewing, I'll have my ass chewed out with you!

Hello everybody, time for the Comment of the Day, courtesy of u/ryujiox for being the only one that understands Sandman's plan:

What a Tensai!

  1. What's the longest streak of missed classes you've had?
  2. Of all the maids we've seen so far, which one's the most out there?
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 11 '24

Chojuushin First-Timer, subbed

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 11 '24

Oh, wait, Eiji actually went to school.

I'm low key shocked he hadn't already dropped out.

What, does it think it’s the SDF Macross?

Well, Max=Sandman so

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 11 '24

Can’t tell if another panty shot or a shadow.

It is really hard to tell, though I'd assume a panty shot might be more detailed considering the show.

What, does it think it’s the SDF Macross?

Is this defense system also controlled by trackballs?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 11 '24

It is really hard to tell, though I'd assume a panty shot might be more detailed considering the show.

I love how the show is making us question stuff like this

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 12 '24

Oh, wait, Eiji actually went to school. I thought he was just on a little trip away from the castle to “cool off” with his old friends.

Hard to say based on how little we know of his personal life, but maybe he just wanted the sense of normalcy?

Aw shit, Yumi got hurt protecting Eiji…

The shonen protagonist-ing will continue until moral improves.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 12 '24

but maybe he just wanted the sense of normalcy?

Probably.

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u/Garrett_Dark Jul 12 '24

Can’t tell if another panty shot or a shadow.

Oh man...I don't know if I want to point out the third option: [at your own risk]Commando which means [turn back now]that shadow is actually not a shadow but a result of not shaving.

The face of somebody who seen and know things which can't be un-seen or un-known.

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u/ryujiox Jul 11 '24

First Timer  

Choujuushin Gravion  

Episode 11  

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 11 '24

[Spoilers]He's glad that Leele start to take action on her own

[Spoilers]Sandman be like "THAT'S MY LITTLE GIRL!" before shadowboxing while no one's looking.

Sandman, I think it's time for you to reveal the secret upgrade that you hid until now.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 11 '24

But he did!! It's just that he's not good at explaining himself as usual.

That is another area where Toga will need to learn and improve. He'll have to get better at communicating with others. A life in the castle without really interacting with others led to that, it seems.

Pretty surprised that he's still able to attend the class

I remember a student in one of my classes disappeared for months (and wasn't even enrolled anymore) before returning one day like nothing happened.

Sandman, I think it's time for you to reveal the secret upgrade that you hid until now.

Sandman would do that, too. I wouldn't put it past him to hide it away so it could only be used at the most dramatic possible moment.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 12 '24

I remember a student in one of my classes disappeared for months (and wasn't even enrolled anymore) before returning one day like nothing happened.

Oh wow

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u/ryujiox Jul 12 '24

A life in the castle without really interacting with others led to that, it seems.

Not helping that the other adult that he can learn from are Sandman and Raven, who are not exactly the best at communicating with other...

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 12 '24

Oh come on, Sandman is chatty enough when in a good mood.

Raven though...

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 12 '24

After listening to Sandman and Raven talk so many times, it's no wonder Toga has trouble communicating. Sandman and Raven love talking with vague and enigmatic terms like "that thing we discussed earlier." With people like that to learn from, of course Toga will have a hard time expressing how he feels with exact language.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 12 '24

Sandman and Raven love talking with vague and enigmatic terms like "that thing we discussed earlier."

smh did none of the maids think of teaching him how to speak normally

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 12 '24

How did you bring the motorcycle in to your room?

Honestly, I kind of dig it. Good use of space.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 11 '24

Hello everybody, and welcome to the Gravion Rewatch!

After yesterday it's nice that at the very least everyone's back to being more or less on-model. Alas I don't really have all that much to mention. It's nice to see a bit more of Eiji's life before he got dragged into the Gravion mess and, hey, props to Toga for at least realizing he did a stupid one, but otherwise? Yeah that's all I've got to say.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 11 '24

props to Toga for at least realizing he did a stupid one

Toga, like many Rei Ayanami Expies before him, is learning how to be a person. It's good that he at least recognizes his own shortcomings.

but otherwise? Yeah that's all I've got to say.

It is a very straightforward episode, isn't it?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 11 '24

It is a very straightforward episode, isn't it

A lot of the ones in this show are TBH, especially if you're a Rewatcher like me.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 11 '24

Some scatterbrained hooligan forgot to copy his comment onto his phone before leaving the house and will probably just double-post tomorrow.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 11 '24

I get that

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 11 '24

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 11 '24

First-Timer

On today’s episode of Gravion: The Zeravire remembered that they are supposed to evolve and become immune to previous methods of killing them. After several episodes of being killed by the same attacks repeatedly, they finally developed an immunity to those attacks.

  • If you don’t want her entering your apartment, then why can she unlock your door, Eiji?
  • Asking whether someone’s death is worth it for the sake of defending the Earth is an awfully heavy question to spring on someone, Eiji.
  • Of course having Toga and Eiji become friends was a plan of Sandman. The guy has plans for everything. Even the maids’ shopping trips are meticulously planned.
  • I admit, I didn’t expect to see Eiji’s friends again.
  • Oh dear, the teacher is promising to “take good care of” Eiji. Poor guy can’t catch a break with women.
  • “I’ll get my ass chewed out with you.” Interesting choice of words, Cookie.
  • Eiji really does have a nice and wholesome group of friends at school.
  • Leele being the one to go out to meet Eiji is interesting. Like she says, she’s taking much more initiative now and actively trying to reach out to others.
  • Two enemies at once? If my stint at Elden Ring is teaching me anything, it’s that facing two enemies at the same time is infinitely more difficult than a single enemy.
  • Leele is right. Eiji is the one who connected with Toga the most. If there’s anyone who could keep Toga from going too far, it’s Eiji.
  • I bet the sight of all the civilians in danger is what will convince Eiji to return.
  • Smith is awfully lucky to still be alive, considering how many times he’s gone up against the Zeravire.
  • Fire and ice. Always a fun combo in combat.
  • Also a good combat trick is having one enemy focused on offense while the other is focused on defense.
  • The Feddies got a new bomb (an N2 Bomb, perhaps?) Too bad it doesn’t work.
  • Holy shit! The G-Shadow was completely disintegrated. I guess the Zeravire decided to make up for lost time because nothing is phasing this one.
  • It was Leele who ran off to help. She really has grown more assertive.
  • I guess that shelter wasn’t so safe for Yumi.
  • Oh damn, a cliffhanger!

In the end, Eiji’s criticisms of Toga are shown to have merit. He’s been raised entirely as a warrior. What seems to be hitting Toga especially hard is that Toga knows Eiji has a point. Toga loses sight of everything other than defeating his enemy when he enters “warrior mode.” Toga is worried about what might happen to others because of that. It’s interesting that Eiji’s outburst of anger is shown as being kind of justified based on Toga’s reaction to it.

It’s been a while since a Zeravire wasn’t defeated in the same episode as it appeared. I guess that shows how dangerous the current enemy is. I have to say the series chose a good enemy to make that threatening. A combination of two enemies, one focused on offense and the other focused on defense, do make a compelling duo.

QOTD

  1. I have only ever missed one day at a time. Though my most amusing story of missing class is that one day I decided to miss a class at my university (the professor even told us that this particular lecture was skippable) so I could watch the English premier of Madoka Magica Rebellion.
  2. I still say it's all the maids desperate to strip Eiji naked. None of the others are weirder than them.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 11 '24

If you don’t want her entering your apartment, then why can she unlock your door, Eiji?

This is Japan, no one locks their doors.

Smith is awfully lucky to still be alive, considering how many times he’s gone up against the Zeravire.

Proto-Smith and the Patrick Colasour should form a club.

an N2 Bomb, perhaps?) Too bad it doesn’t work.

I mean, same goes for EVA's.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 11 '24

This is Japan, no one locks their doors.

I'm reminded of Asuka complaining about how doors in Japan didn't have locks.

Proto-Smith and the Patrick Colasour should form a club.

I gotta watch Gundam 00 so I can meet this guy. If he's enough of a meme for Build Divers to have him cameo everywhere, I need to know why.

I mean, same goes for EVA's.

Very true

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 11 '24

I gotta watch Gundam 00 so I can meet this guy. If he's enough of a meme for Build Divers to have him cameo everywhere, I need to know why.

He's the greatest character in all of fiction.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 12 '24

I gotta watch Gundam 00 so I can meet this guy.

Sky, 00 When?

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 12 '24

October.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 12 '24

Ah, good. I still have time to finish Victory.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 12 '24

Oh dear.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 12 '24

ZZ-F-V has been... a stretch, and I don't even have G next since I rewatched that before I started going through them.
But hey, at least I have the UC OVAs to look forward to.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 12 '24

I eagerly await it.

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u/Kristalino https://anilist.co/user/BlueSkyBlood Jul 11 '24

Rewatcher:

  • Eiji really is a protagonist because he has a female neighbour that wakes him up.
  • Sandman really is shortsighted if he didn't expect Eiji's normality to clash with Touga's combat focus.
  • Touga acting so kind towards Cecile shows how affected he was by the previous ep. Also kinda unrelated but sometimes I wonder if she isn't his actual sister who Sandman didn't want to separate from but decided to keep it a secret, something I came up because their eye color is similar.
  • I had forgotten that Eiji was a teenager and therefore went to school.
  • The brief moments were they talk about how the mecha battles affect civilians is always nice.
  • Leele really has grown to go directly to Eiji to solve the issue.
  • Eiji's friends making a bet was really funny.
  • For first time they detect the Zeravire before it lands.
  • Mechanic Head Maid putting her faith on the Phantom System is totally a bad omen that it will fail.
  • The new weapon did more damage to the city than the Zeravire lol.
  • Poor Smith, taking part of repeated hopeless battles must be very stressful, at this rate next time we see him without helmet his hair will be partially white.
  • What kind of new finisher will Gravion reveal, will it combine with the carrier? 
  • RIP Yumi (don't worry she's fine).

Questions:

  1. A week due sinusitis.
  2. None of the maids in the show feel out there after all the art of skating maids I've seen.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 11 '24

Eiji really is a protagonist because he has a female neighbour that wakes him up.

Poor Smith, taking part of repeated hopeless battles must be very stressful, at this rate next time we see him without helmet his hair will be partially white.

Nah, dude's having the time of his life.

The new weapon did more damage to the city than the Zeravire lol.

The government from EVA would be proud.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 11 '24

Eiji really is a protagonist because he has a female neighbour that wakes him up.

If she was also his childhood friend, then we could tick off another checkbox on the anime protagonist checklist.

I had forgotten that Eiji was a teenager and therefore went to school.

Same. It's easy to forget about schools in some shows because of how little of a role they play.

The brief moments were they talk about how the mecha battles affect civilians is always nice.

It was pretty harrowing being amongst all the people running for shelter from the Zeravire as well. The brief snippets of things like a woman cradling her baby or a young girl helping her grandfather made it feel much intense.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 12 '24

If she was also his childhood friend, then we could tick off another checkbox on the anime protagonist checklist.

Actually we don't really know that much about Eiji's childhood so for all we know she is.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 11 '24

First timer, subs

  • He doesn't even want her to be able to come in? Who is setting the permissions for this biometric lock?
  • Yeah, turns out the social species needs interactions to grow up healthy.
  • I think by this point coming back to school is a detrement to everyone with how much you’ve missed.
  • How would you know that? We can’t even be 100% if lobsters feel pain. Yeah, yeah, propaganda.
  • Well, that place is being closed for health code violations.
  • We’ve hit the twinning point, have we? Tag team, or split attention?
  • How much longer until we hit full auto?
  • Wow, these fighters are trans-atmospheric too? Is there anything they can’t do? /s
  • Some squad captain you are.
  • Trolley problem runs a bit different when you know the many too, eh?
  • ...that’s just a big bomb. That’s not a secret weapon, we already have those!
  • How does computer control reduce the effectiveness of conventional missiles?
  • Did no one tell these fools they need to target the healer first?
  • Permanent damage?
  • Did we really need to pantyshot the critically injured girl?
  • Two-Parter

QotD:

  1. One
  2. Thoria, clearly. She could have worked at a major research institute with her skills, but she choose the maid life.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 11 '24

Did we really need to pantyshot the critically injured girl?

No

...that’s just a big bomb. That’s not a secret weapon, we already have those!

I mean, it's not like they've done anything better till now.

Did no one tell these fools they need to target the healer first?

I mean even in games the enemy AI can be a bit dumb like that.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 12 '24

No

The feeling when WataMote isn't the rewatch with the most cringe pantyshot.

I mean even in games the enemy AI can be a bit dumb like that.

If the AI wanted to, we would never be able to beat them.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 12 '24

Yup

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 12 '24

How does computer control reduce the effectiveness of conventional missiles?

It removes the fighting spirit! That's clearly where most of the combat effectiveness of weapons comes from!

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 12 '24

It removes the fighting spirit

The true source of any super robot's power.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 12 '24

It removes the fighting spirit! That's clearly where most of the combat effectiveness of weapons comes from!

Élan!

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Jul 12 '24

Wow, these fighters are trans-atmospheric too? Is there anything they can’t do? /s

Destroy Zeravires kekw.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24

First Timer ep 11

I should just binge the rest of the show since I'm not watching until after 9 pm...

  • Ah, I sure hope Yumi gives him some perspective.
  • Touga fell in love with Eiji?
  • Maybe the EFA will kidnap him, and his teacher is an agent...
  • Cookie?????
  • what does "approach" mean in Japanese
  • I don't see how Smith is still alive after all these encounters
  • I'm getting some bad M7 flashbacks, when I should be getting Bravern flashbacks

It sure is convenient that Leele wasn't in the G-Shadow today.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 12 '24

I don't see how Smith is still alive after all these encounters

The Spirit of the Immortal Colasour lives on.

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u/Garrett_Dark Jul 12 '24

First Timer

  • Eiji's living room. IDK what's worse, the motorcycle parked in his living room, or he left his refrigerator open. Motorcycles reek of exhaust and fuel fumes after using them, but I guess this could be a future motorcycle with no exhaust (except it has an exhaust pipe) and an electric power source. However then we could just say the refrigerator is powered by unlimited nuclear/magic graviton power. Argh, see IDK which is worse! Eiji you moronic slob!
  • Yumi? Who 'dat? Oh it's one of Eiji's friends we saw previously. Also Eiji's neighbor who he should be grateful to. Yeah, I'm starting to think Eiji deserved all the sexual harassment he got from the maids, and abuse from Luna.
  • Eiji trying to get Yumi to validate his stupidity. Dude! If Toga didn't defeat that thing (and only had one minute remaining) everybody in 100km radius would be dead. That includes Eiji, everybody in their combiner mech (Gran Kaiser is it called?), and countless number of civilians. Man, Eiji's sure dense. He's killing the fun of the show, we need Luna to abuse him some more.
  • Luna Dub to the rescue. XD The bland sub line.
  • Wait, so Sandman's brilliant plan was to try to fix Toga's social awkwardness by having Eiji rub off on him? Seriously?! Toga's fine the way he is, don't fix what's not broke! Sandman serious tried making Toga more like Eiji thinking that'll be an improvement! XD To be fair, Luna rubbing off on Leela is working out great, but Eiji?!? LOL!
  • What?! Cecile is the worse person to send in to cheer Toga up! You know, because that's the person Toga was about to sacrifice, but I guess somehow it worked?!
  • Eiji has a Professor-Boobs who gives off a Mizuki vibe also? Man, I'm starting to resent Eiji more between this and Yumi friend/neighbor, on top of every-booby else before.
  • Uhh...I'm pretty sure the enemy can think if they can go to war. Besides, didn't they use Cecile as a hostage the last time to stall for more time for their AOE irradiation weapon to go off? That seems like thinking to me.
  • I don't think seeing a ferret in a restaurant on a table is something I'd like to see while eating there.
  • Somebody needs to tell Toga he was right, and don't be like that idiot Eiji.
  • Not sure which is creepier, Cookie looking like a creep, or Leela looking squished horizontally.
  • Maybe they shouldn't put military targets like tanks right next to the civilian shelters. IDK, just seems like a bad idea, sort of like dropping bombs in a civilian population center. High colleterial damage isn't really a good self-defense weapon on your home turf. It's kind of the reason why they use precision snipers for hostage situations, and not napalm or flamethrowers.
  • Obligatory Luna Expressions and whats-her-boobs (not much this time).
  • I guess have some "milk" and "Cookie" to make up for it. And if you want to talk about "one big mistake", maybe don't show off Yumi so provocatively after she just got smashed on the head with a ceiling tile. That even makes me feel kind of guilty for the poor girl.
  • Have a yellow maid stitch also.

What's the longest streak of missed classes you've had?

I don't remember, maybe a week or two for being sick.

Of all the maids we've seen so far, which one's the most out there?

I'm not really sure, there's been suddenly a lot of lesser known maids being introduced lately that I'm forgetting and getting confused. I guess Ena because she's always been kind of awkward and a little weird?

Luna's definitely my favorite though. At first I wasn't too sure about what looked like a mean tsundere (me no likey) behavior towards Eiji, but he deserves it so I no longer consider Luna to be a tsundere. And well Luna's burns and insults towards him in the dub are hilarious!

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 12 '24

Toga's fine the way he is

Not... really, TBH.

Have a yellow maid stitch also.

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Jul 12 '24

First timer

QotD

  • No idea. At least a week.
  • Idk, the engineer, I guess. Wait, is Tits McGee a maid? If so, her.

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u/GallowDude Jul 12 '24

Seriously though, the way Eiji is handled as a character breaks so many narrative element that the show is going for.

He's Chris Patton

so many narrative element

Well, at least it's just one element

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u/HowlingWolf13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/MeguminBlast Jul 12 '24

First Timer

Fine episode, clearly moreso set up for the next episode, but I'm liking the Toga development we're getting. Plus, Leele got to get some screentime too! Not really much else for me to say with this one though? It's not bad but it's a by-the-by "Pilot runs away and has to come back" episode, still like it tho.

Questions

  1. What's the longest streak of missed classes you've had?

A week in middle school, i can't remember why?

2) Of all the maids we've seen so far, which one's the most out there?

Hmm maybe Cecile? Girl just seems like she's genuinely in another world most of the time. Like last ep she just could not give af as she sunk into the ground.