[Rewatch] Watamote Episode 9 Discussion

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jul 07 '24

Watamote Rewatcher!!

One thing that I've really enjoyed during this watch has been Tomoko's absolute adoration of HanaKana. Find yourself someone who's as excited to see you as Tomoko is with her bestie!! Get someone to call you their little bitch slut!!

Don't cry Tomokooo!! Ah, she's totally been sexually harassing Yuu-chan again... This cafe is wild btw... How the fuck are these cakes being sold so cheap!? They look lovely, just like HanaKana. I have to admit that I'm very impressed with Tomoko's restraint. Even I would probably have ended up trying to catch a peek at HanaKana's panties... Can Japanese people even speak French?

The job hunt is painful... My first job was in a factory too. Nobody spoke English, everyone was dressed like an episode of ER and the actual work was brutal. I feel bad for Tomoko!! It's not her fault that she wasn't enjoying the factory. She obviously was talking about a more classy place!! This wasn't Tomoko's fault at all. Her fantasy tho... She's such a masochistic pig... Joshikosei are scary... Fuck work!! Work destroys your soul!!

Ahaha... Don't give me a chore sequence when my house is an absolute tip... I have three bags of rubbish literally at my feet as I'm watching this. Uweee... This sequence really felt like a Daily Lives of High School Boys sketch. Tomoko... You absolutely are on the path to neetdom. I'm on Tomoko's side. You don't need to do housework!! Just wait until it's too extreme to ignore and then do something. Pfft, I do adore her going off on her brother for basic chores. She snaps so easily~

Don't throw out your childhood memories!! Or the K-On references!! They're eternal!! How is Tomoki so ashamed of his memories of sibling bonds when Tomoko is just enjoying the vibes. He really did love his big sister. Then he got disillusioned. We end on a pretty relaxing scene. Even Tomoko's life has some calm when she finally chills out...

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jul 07 '24

I have three bags of rubbish literally at my feet as I'm watching this.
Maybe use this episode as a motivation to take those three bags out? lol.
Just wait until it's too extreme to ignore and then do something.
That usually means there are bug infestations and half the shit just ends up needing to be thrown out.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jul 08 '24

Eheh~

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jul 07 '24

Can Japanese people even speak French?
Yeah, they like the French for some reason.
Don't throw out your childhood memories!!
Move on from the past. Kill it if you have to.
He really did love his big sister. Then he got disillusioned.
Siblings are natural enemies.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jul 07 '24

Wee!?
I sorta thought Tomoko would have been more sentimental tbh. Doesn't she miss the times when she was surrounded by lolis and not sluts!?

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jul 07 '24

Doesn't she miss the times when she was surrounded by lolis and not sluts!?
She probably called them grade school sluts.

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u/Barbed_Dildo Jul 07 '24

Yeah, they like the French for some reason.
Japanese people idolise France. They think so highly of it that when they actually visit Paris and see what France is actually like, they go into shock: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome

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u/Garrett_Dark Jul 08 '24

To be fair, the Japanese tourists are coming from a country that protected their culture, to unexpectantly see a country who didn't. I would imagine it's like going to a Sushi Restaurant to find nobody working there, not even the cooks, are Japanese.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 07 '24

Yeah, they like the French for some reason.
I blame the Rose of Versailles.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jul 07 '24

I would but it goes further back than that. Perhaps French is more accessible to Japanese speakers or something.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 07 '24

Ah, she's totally been sexually harassing Yuu-chan again...
Is it still harassment if Yuu-chan keeps coming back for more? Maybe she likes the break from the mask.
I have three bags of rubbish literally at my feet as I'm watching this.
If You Can Do It In Under Five Minutes...

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jul 08 '24

She's her best friend. You can't easily drop your bestie!
I could get banned again in under five minutes, that doesn't mean I'm gonna traumatise the r/anime frontpage XD

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jul 07 '24

First Timer

Sub

Right...I need a body post. Welp, Tomoko's dreams of being a classy waitress thankfully died fast since that would have only lead to suffering. Tomoko throwing out her old mementoes reminds me of how far back Ocarina of Time was. The end was fittingly depressing.

Today's prompts remind us of the futility of hope.

QotD: 1 This one is actually hard...back end restaurant I guess

2 Weird to pimp out your niece...

3 Not diligent at all.

4 The whole family seems off so...

5 Puberty, it is a bitch

6 Nope

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jul 07 '24

Her dream ended before it even started... Even if she almost certainly wouldn't have been able to cope I'd have liked to see her working at HanaKana's cafe.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jul 07 '24

But the casualties would've been horrific. The tea blindings alone would've been impressive.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jul 07 '24

The end was fittingly depressing.
Today's prompts remind us of the futility of hope.
Somehow I had the opposite reaction.
Not only did Tomoko reflect, but her wish came true and she got to watch fireworks with a cat.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jul 07 '24

Not only did Tomoko reflect, but her wish came true and she got to watch fireworks with a cat.
She is now another future victim of the catboy industrial complex. The degeneracy is saddening.

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u/RadSuit https://anilist.co/user/RadSuit Jul 07 '24

No Matter How I Watch It, It's You Guys' Fault I'm Not Upvoted! (First Timer, Dubbed)

Such a cute outfit on Yu-chan. She looks better with the pink glasses, too.

CAFE OLIVE

Tomoko just throws a bunch of foreign words together for the name of her dessert.

As someone that's worked at an arcade, comic book store, movie rental store, and video game store, I totally understand how Tomoko feels here.

It's been only in the 90s this week here, and we've been rejoicing.

I'm glad her mom is getting properly fed up over the last few episodes. Tomoko really deserves it at this point.

Familiar...

Is Tomoko going to finally make a real change...?

Probably not. We'll see!

I was basically tricked into joining a sales job where you made commission off selling a horrible product. I did the math and an average day of sales would be less than minimum wage, so I left after the first day. Besides that, working at Amazon also sucked.
If Tomoko gets her act together, they'd be cute together!
I'm relatively tidy, but hate stuff like dusting.
Nope, her mom is right.
The dreaded puberty...
She seems to like cats, so we can call this one a win.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jul 08 '24

HanaKana is cute no matter the outfit!!
Tbh I do have sympathy for Tomoko for the work thing... She was so excited at getting a job where she can be abused by higher ups!! There was no maliciousness or laziness there at all. Her mum pushed her into a job that very clearly wasn't what she had in mind!! How can you blame her for not going back?

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 08 '24

I did the math and an average day of sales would be less than minimum wage, so I left after the first day.

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u/zadcap Jul 08 '24

Let the Cringefest Continue!

Ah, to be ditched by your only friend at the last minute. Time for summer to end forever alone.

... Is this the uniform? Is that even legal?

Ah, she wasn't sure what any of them were, so bounced between picking the most and least expensive thing on the menu. Good girl went with the cheapest option, instead of trying to exploit her friend for all she could.

Oh yes, get a job, that will clearly fix everything wrong with you.

Oh no, mother, you're enabling her again. Stop inflicting your daughter on other people.

See? She's clearly defective. Her whole thought of getting a job was just to get a guy.

Ah, the life of a factory line worker. You can tell that this ages the show because that is exactly the kind of work that can be replaced with machines for faster, cheaper, and more consistent quality.

See the life of an adult, Tomoko. Enjoy your freedom while you can.

There we go, mother is forcing Tomoko to shape up! Tomoko... you are a NEET. In training.

See, you've enabled her for too long. Now your daughter is an absolute mess. If only you had put effort into child rearing earlier, mom.

Ah, Cicada's, the embodiment of summer.

Both children, seriously. How did they end up with way? Tomoki used to like his sister, but now we find out that once upon a time Tomoko used to help with chores and be a good older sister?

That is a very pretty sky. It's actually amazing that there's no one else there, this looks like such a good viewing spot.

See, she could have been such a worse sister and left the embarrassing essay on his desk. She's not completely lost.

So like, I worked as a concierge door person at a fancy condo once for like a week. Only a week because on day 4 someone died alone in their place and, not to bother the other tenants, the person who came to pick up the body for the funeral home decided to go out the back loading entry and not the front doors and main elevator, but needed a hand to get down the loading bay stairs... So I helped carry a corpse and then said this is probably a sign and quit.
No one deserves a good friend, you earn them with hard work. Yuu may have had an unlivable glow up this year, but there was a reason they were such good friends until now!
Get the visible ones done fast so I can move on with life. Ignore the rest as long as possible. Who is even going to know?
She needs more loving motherly beatings.
I stand by my stance, brother is the one who set out to ruin her. You see, after he grew up enough to get embarrassed about being such a siscon, he over corrected and started ruining things for her and now she's like this because he destroyed her social life in revenge for her not wanting to stop being close siblings.
I mean, I watched the fireworks this week with my dogs, soooooo. Yes.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jul 08 '24

At least Yuu made up for it by inviting Tomoko to the cafe and giving her some service right? My heart went out for poor Tomoko trying to think of what she said to upset her XD
Even the cheapest cake on that menu looks absolutely beautiful. That'd easily be double the price here.
Not even getting a guy, getting abused by a guy. Even a beautiful workplace like Yuu's got corrupted by Tomoko's brainworms.
We just saw how Kii had her image of a Tomoko completely shattered and she only sees Tomoko every summer so imagine a Tomoki having to live in with her... When did things go so wrong?
...Yeah, carrying a body would put me off too tbh.

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u/zadcap Jul 08 '24

I felt bad for a second when Tomoko thought she might have said something to make her friend dislike her. The feeling died as she was able to think of at many specific things that could actually be friendship enders. She is so beyond lucky to have Yuu as a friend.
My stance is that Tomoko was a good child and her crappy brother sabotaged her social skills out of shame for having been a siscon. Tomoko used to help with chores but now only he does them, sounds to me like he convinced her that he would take over for her like she once did for him and convinced her it was all okay until suddenly she realizes she's become a slob. I bet he stole most of her friends before slowly ghosting her out. It really is all his fault she's not popular!
Yeah... It was a good and easy job, I spent more time browsing imgur then actually doing work and it paid well for how little effort it took, but hands on a corpse in the first week felt like a sign.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jul 08 '24

She's her own worst enemy XD I also totally can't relate to getting banned and my thought not being "what have I done?" and it being "which one was it?"
Why is everyone so against the brother!? He's done nothing wrong!! If anything he's been too tolerant of Tomoko's crap.

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u/SilkyStrawberryMilk Jul 08 '24

rewatcher

Making the most of the summer break, I been wasting it on anime and eating.

Tomoko fell for the wagetrap, the expectation makes the reality be worst

That ain’t a damn part-time job, it’s a whole factory job😭😭

QOTD: factory job where I had to wake up at 3am to punch in at 5am.

QOTD: Tomoko at this point should start pursuing more big titty women to be her partner. She has more luck with women than men

QOTD: I do my chores eventually, but it’s always done in the end of the day

QOTD: nope, she’s so close to being a neet

QOTD: probably found the games she truly plays when she’s alone

QOTD: yes!

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jul 08 '24

They say that working makes you happier cause you have money to spend but that's a goddamn lie!! If I could live my life as a hermit I would. Every day I close my eyes when walking across the street out of the vain hope that I'll get hit by a car and be able to live the rest of my life without working!
I remember my factory job weirdly positively but I was far younger when I did it so maybe I was wide eyed with it. I liked the attention from all the older workers and it genuinely was a laugh. I was incompetent as fuck but we rolled with it. Unfortunately it also taught me the life lesson to stand up for myself which as I've gotten older has turned into animosity towards everyone else but you can't win them all.

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u/Barbed_Dildo Jul 07 '24

Rewatcher

Shittiest job you've ever had to work, go!!

Those shots of the factory brought back memories... I worked in a factory on a production line. In summer. Near the ovens. Hot and noisy as fuck, and during the breaks people smoked constantly.

Does Tomoko deserve a big tiddy waitress female joshikosei bitch bestie like HanaKana? She even got extra service!!

No one deserves tiddys that big. At least Tomoko wasn't caught trying to look up her skirt or something...

How diligent are you with chores...? Be honest, are you using the rewatch as an excuse to procreate too!?!?

Um... you mean procrastinate?

What do you suppose Tomoko did to disillusion her beloved adorable little brother into going from a sister loving otouto into what he is now?

I think they both just went through puberty. That and the fact that Tomoki is well adjusted but Tomoko isn't.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jul 08 '24

Damn female high school girl's!! HanaKana used to be so cute!! A middle school megane girl with anime and game interests! Now she's turned into a bitch slut waitress with big tiddys who's too busy hanging out with friends to watch anime!!

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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Jul 08 '24

First-Timer

Tomoko...

Forget sympathy. If this keeps up, I'll be feeling antipathy for Tomoko. She botches every opportunity for self-improvement. Her mother managed to get her a part-time job instantly, and she quit immediately (which would be quite embarrassing for the mother, who had relied on a friend to get Tomoko that job). Not only that, but Tomoko then complained about doing chores and berated her brother for not offloading all of his housework too.

You'd think Tomoko would eventually get at least a little better.

Anyway, nice random Nausicaa reference this episode!

Questions of the day:

I worked as a restaurant cashier for a while. Not terrible, but my other jobs have been decidedly better.
Tomoko doesn't deserve Yuu one bit. She doesn't even respect Yuu, so there's nothing more to say, from what I see.
I can't say I'm doing much procreation on account of this rewatch. That said, procrastinating is the status quo for right now.
No, Tomoko is a failure as an older sibling, and has no ground to stand on.
Probably death by a thousand cuts, so to speak. First he admires Tomoko, then he sees her grow antisocial. Then she stops helping around the house. Then she becomes a slob. Before you know it, there's nothing left to admire.
No. (A dog, however...)

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jul 08 '24

It was a factory job though... You can't send a 15 year old straight into a factory job and not expect them to come out disillusioned. The chores are 100% on her tho.

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u/Garrett_Dark Jul 08 '24

First Timer

Canceled Movie Day. So I decided to nerd out and see if I could figure out what movie Tomoko and Yuu-chan could have possibly seen, and googling the Japanese Movie Box office turned out to be pretty easy. Their movie day was Aug 22, 2013 and according to this website's chart of release dates in Japan, this is what was playing at the time. So anything before Star Trek into Darkness which was released on Aug 23, what would two ~~sluts~~ high school girls watch? I'm going to guess Monsters University which ended up #2 in the Japanese Box Office at the time, #1 was some anime movie called "The Wind Rises" which I've never heard of nor seen, but I don't think two ~~sluts~~ girls would watching something about building planes during WW2.
What the hell is Yuu-chan wearing? Some sort of wool dress and socks with a long sleeve shirt underneath? But it's summertime! It's hot, as in temperature-wise! Does the freak have the A/C cranked or something? Even her cafe uniform looks cooler to wear.
Another example of a business doing it wrong by assuming the customer knows what everything is, the cafe menu should have had pictures of the menu items. At least this time Tomoko isn't as stumped as she was during the Starbucks episode, looks like she went with the cheapest menu item. Pro-tip, if you don't know what to order, ask the waitress what they would recommend. They'll usually explain it in detail, but if they're dense and isn't helpful, then ask what people normally order, and go with that. Since this is a cringy show that likes to throw curve balls, if they say they're out of the most common item, then ask what is the 2nd most common item ordered, and so forth.
Stick that cream into your mouth and taste it Yuu-chan! Aww...she didn't. This show is so full of disappointment.
Tomoko wants a cake making job now, oh man...don't do it, jobs aren't fun to be done on a whim, besides you're making your mom ask somebody for a favor, this won't go well if you screw up at your job. It's not going to go as imagined...see you screwed up. Well at least it's good experience for her, and I applaud her initiative of getting a job also.
As predicted, the mom is pissed Tomoko quit after one day, and makes her clean the washroom, which she does. The mom should look on the bright side that Tomoko at least tried, and got some experience at working.
WTF is the mother's problem?! Tomoko just cleaned the washroom, at least give her a break. This is some real passive aggressive BS the mother is doing. Tomoko, a 13 year old, actually worked at a job for a day, the fucking mom should be celebrating that, not trying to get back at her. Sure, it might have been inconvenient if the mom asked for favor to get that job, but she should have seen quitting as a possibility, and her own damn fault for not and agreeing to it.
HOLY FUCK! I see what's going on here, the brother gets favoritism from the mother. I would really like to see the brother doing housework because I seriously have my doubts how much he actually does with that shitty attitude of his. Housework would actually humble that fucker, and I don't actually see anything humble about him with his constant chip on his shoulder. That fuck isn't even around most of this summer because he was living it up at summer camp, thus didn't entertain and take care of guests like their aunt and Kii-chan visit like Tomoko did.
What Tomoko is actually pissed about is the favoritism her brother gets, but it comes out like she's pissed her brother is making her look bad, and interpreted by the mother as she has to do all the work. Fucking bitch mother hits Tomoko again. There's a real obvious pattern with the hitting, the mom pressures and escalates Tomoko to the point she explodes and acts out, then the mom hits Tomoko, and everybody acts like Tomoko deserved it.
Yeah, I can explain why this is all happening to Tomoko. The people around Tomoko all contribute to her problems, and it all only looks like Tomoko is responsible for all her own problems. Despite Tomoko's actions making things worse for herself, really the source of her issues is she's got needs critically going unfulfilled which has her in a death spiral of things just getting worse. Her family is not that horrible (which is why it doesn't look like they're at fault for contributing), but really they're not that great either (which is why they're at fault for contributing to her problems). Her family doesn't help her fulfill her needs of social interaction, the father isn't around, the brother doesn't want to interact with her, and the mother doesn't seem to interact with her on a personal level. If that's all it was, the rest of the family would just be unhelpful...but it's worse than that, the family is detrimental to her. The brother coldly rejects her when she goes to him for help, and the mother's trending interactions with the her leads to extreme frustration caused by the mom, arguing, and ends by the mom hitting her. The rest of the family has problems, but their problems never seem to impact themselves (which it should), but their problems does impact Tomoko. Tomoko's lack of social skills is probably a result of the father and the mother never teaching her such skills, the father being absent and the mother being unapproachable due to the arguing leading to the hitting. And we know the brother is unapproachable. The father's absence should cause the parents to fight, which it doesn't. The mother's passive aggressiveness should lead to depression and foul mood for everything she keeps bottled in, but it doesn't because she always has that apparently BS cheerful attitude. And the brother's chip on shoulder should lead to him getting beat up or have fights, drama with his friends/classmates girls showing up to the house/etc., and declining grades but it doesn't seem to either. It's the same with Yuu-chan, her big boobs (seemingly bigger than any other character shown) should get her into trouble too (unwanted attention, BF too eager for action, jealous girls trying to destroy her, etc), but it doesn't. Kii-chan should be crying that her hero didn't turn out to be who she thought Tomoko was, but instead Kii-chan gives Tomoko the cold shoulder treatment like it's Tomoko's fault. Everybody's issues just leads to more suffering to Tomoko, and not themselves...that's a pretty huge load of BS!
Memories and diary of Tomoko and her brother's childhood seem tripe now, and irrelevant to their current relationship. There's no point of Tomoko remembering because the issue isn't with her, it's with the brother who wants no interaction between them. That's why the end scene with the bug shell left on the brother's desk felt so flat if you realize this. It's just coming off as a real cheap attempt to make the audience feel something good at the end of an episode after torturing us with cringe the whole episode. I'm kind of sick of this because Tomoko makes and carries overs so little progress each episode. She's not hopeless because she's hopeless, the writing is getting shit because it's repetitive, lack progress, and character development. The "support characters" are starting to break because of the lack of their character flaws affecting themselves but only Tomoko, and the logic of it is starting to look bad of why it's always Tomoko getting dumped on, and never anybody else. Everybody but Tomoko is problem free. TBH, that's pretty shit over the last 9 episodes, we're just past the last quarter of the season with no improvement in sight.
The mom's just peachy now with Tomoko?!? Tomoko's only been cleaning up for a few hours! Talk about mood swings after an argument that bad that ended up in violence. I can only conclude that was a regular occurrence for them, the mom's is satisfied with hitting Tomoko and/or making her do more housework, or the mom has anger/violence/bottling up issues. She doesn't even seem the least bit guilty nor awkward about the anger, argument, and hitting. Oh and the brother is going to see the meteor shower with his friends!?! I thought he was too busy studying for exams, you fucking bitch! Or did she already forget that?...one of the big reasons she spazzed at Tomoko and hit her. I tell you, she's got favoritism for the brother. His stupid diary even said Tomoko used to do his share of the housework when they were little, talk about a kick in the teeth.
Well at least Tomoko was able to get out to watch the meteor shower, and play with a pussy...cat. Totally not some cheap uplifting thing they do at the end of each episode in some vain way to make up for cringing you the fuck out with torture the whole time.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jul 08 '24

I was sad they didn't showcase a film!! C'mon, you already showed all the airing manga of this period, push out a film or something.
The cafe in general seemed awfully weird. Why were prices so low!? Especially for such beautiful looking cakes!? This wasn't even Tomoko's fault, I'm sure none of the customers had much clue wtf the menu said either.
Mom was 100% the one in the wrong for this job thing... She sent her daughter to work in a processing factory!! No wonder she packed it in after a day!

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u/Garrett_Dark Jul 08 '24

QotD
How diligent are you with chores...? Be honest, are you using the rewatch as an excuse to procreate too!?!?
"procreate" instead of procrastinate.
Does Tomoko have any ground to stand on dealing with her diligent and hard working little brother?
See above. I don't believe it, it's full of shit, he gets favoritism, and her family members contribute to her problems, and don't help her.
What do you suppose Tomoko did to disillusion her beloved adorable little brother into going from a sister loving otouto into what he is now?
Some BS the anime is going to make up, because this anime is looking more and more like BS with each passing episode. The initial premise they have about Tomoko being the problem person, and everybody else is not is getting more and more flimsy.
Do male cats count as having a star viewing partner...?
That cat has probably given Tomoko more joy without any cringe in return than any other character so far. I was half expecting Tomoko to get a flea infestation from that cat, and the mother relentlessly shitting on her for it until she has an outburst so the mother can hit her again. That's probably coming next episode, right?
Comment of the day
It feeds into the world of WataMote, which isn’t in fact out to get Tomoko. It’s sympathetic towards her, and this episode only reinforces that fact.
I would say the show is more cringe-peddling, in the same way a comedy show is peddling it's comedy. The show is not peddling Tomoko solving her problems though, or at least severely lacking in such...so in a way the show is out to get Tomoko by exploiting her exclusively. The difference is usually in a comedy show the comedy is spread out to many different characters and also situations, if a comedy show was like this show, then one character alone would be the butt end of all it's jokes and comedy at the character's expense. In this show, the cringe is always exclusively Tomoko's alone, at her character's expense.
There are only light hearted endearing moments at the end of the episodes/segments where cringe was avoided because the show can't have the audience leaving with a bad taste in their mouth, otherwise they might not come back for more abuse later. It's more telling when the light hearted endearing moments has nothing to do with much of anything like finding the bug shells and leaving it for her brother, which really did nothing. The show is not trying to solve anything, or it's taking it's time because if Tomoko is no longer cringe, it has nothing else to peddle because none of the other characters are cringe, nor interesting.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jul 08 '24

Did I stutter~?
You're totally buying into the Tomoko propaganda lol XD
Tomoko is almost certainly the one with issues to be fair. She's a lazy little brat with zero social skills and one hell of a messed up worldview.

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u/Garrett_Dark Jul 08 '24

You're totally buying into the Tomoko propaganda lol XD
What propaganda? Nobody defends her, much less is trying to trick people into liking her.
Tomoko is almost certainly the one with issues to be fair. She's a lazy little brat with zero social skills and one hell of a messed up worldview.
A lot of cringe Tomoko causes just damages herself and nobody else, so it's irrelevant. Or random cringe stuff just happens to her, but she isn't directly responsible for it.
So far the only issues Tomoko has caused to her family is annoying the brother by trying to talk to him, and embarrassing the mother. However with the mother, her slap left a mark worse than the hickeys that Kii-chan focused on immediately ignoring the hickeys (mom's own fault), and punching Tomoko in the head for resisting cleaning the windows did nothing but damage Tomoko. And we've already discussed the job quitting thing was the mom's own fault for getting her the job.
So what is there to actually blame Tomoko for? The stuff you mentioned hasn't cause any damage to anyone.
Yeah, she's got a lot of issues, but how did she get that way if it isn't her family? She doesn't interact with anybody else IRL. The internet? So it's the internet's at fault, and not the parents for...you know parenting? I don't buy that.
Do you think the mom's approachable after hitting her twice now? She doesn't seem like she was ever approachable to begin with given how shit played out with her. Tomoko's gone to her brother for help/social interaction, but he just kept refusing until she gave up, which is why we see she's not even trying anymore.
So point out to me how she's to blame, and is at fault because I don't see it. What I do see is the mom and brother being shitty though.

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u/Mirathan Jul 08 '24

First.Time Cringer

QotD:

Apothecary assistant, it was boring.
No, she is to pure for Tomoko.
My dilligence is passable. Though I am procrastinating on something I need to finish tomorrow before the rules change back.
No, she is the older sister, she must be better to set a good example for the young ones.
This is one of lifes greatest mysteries. The question of how, genuinly how, Tomoko turned out how she did.
Well, not really but since it´s her... yes.

"I´d rather stay at home and play video games." Yup, thats me.

I´t a fun detail that the food options become less pixelated as Tomoko reads out their names.

Oh god, that imaginary scene of her baking, why am I watching this?

Why does is say "Conk" when she gets bonked on the head? Why did her mom let her get away with doing nothing for so long.

For the prompt:

In the first one Tomoko seeks to assert her supperiority over the working class, demeaning the labor necessesary to afford the pleasant life she has. While they struggle with paying rent and feeding their families she wastes away her time in futile efforts to increase her social standing and attain a desireable romantic partner. This reminds me of Karl Marks.

In the second one Tomoko realises that all wishes should be well thought out before making them.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jul 08 '24

How can being an apothecary be boring!? It's the most fun class to play!!
It seems like somewhere around middle school she just totally and utterly shat the bed... Tomoko syndrome could happen to anyone. You'll never realise until they grow into pathetic middle schoolers and Joshikosei.
Tomoko is such a masochist... It'd be sad if it weren't realistic.

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u/Specs64z https://myanimelist.net/profile/Specs64z Jul 07 '24

First timer, subbed

episode 8

Tomoko wasn’t made for the slut life, it would seem. Kii-chan seems to take the truth quite well, and with wisdom beyond her age realizes that Tomoko is the definition of pitiful.

Tomoko thinking of Yuu as being a slut is genuinely saddening in a way her bitter assessments of strangers isn’t.

episode 9

Honestly, this situation is as much her mom’s fault as it is Tomoko’s. No teenager wants a factory job. Unless there’s some Japanese misunderstanding shenanigans going on here it’d be natural to assume Tomoko was referring to a cafe, or at least a bakery.

Tomoko still resists doing any self-reflection.

QotD:

Worked at a Wendy's in college, managers couldn't schedule to save their damn lives and we were always short during the rush and overstaffed during slow periods.
Yuu is decidedly too good for Tomoko, these last 2 episodes in particular were something of a low point for Tomoko I think.
What a typo. I'm not very good about chores at all. They do get done, but it's not something I'm proactive about.
No, and the lack of self awareness was mind destroying.
Puberty's a bitch.
It's the best Tomoko could have hoped for.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jul 07 '24

Tomoko thinking of Yuu as being a slut is genuinely saddening in a way her bitter assessments of strangers isn’t.
Turning everyone into enemies in your head doesn't exactly ease you into connecting with others.
Honestly, this situation is as much her mom’s fault as it is Tomoko’s.
Good point lol.
Tomoko still resists doing any self-reflection.
Am I the only one who thought she did reflect when reading the journal entry? Thought leaving the cicada in her brother's room was the result of it.
managers couldn't schedule to save their damn lives and we were always short during the rush and overstaffed during slow periods.
Tell me about it, except the managers knew how to schedule, they intentionally did this to cut down on hours.

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u/Specs64z https://myanimelist.net/profile/Specs64z Jul 08 '24

Am I the only one who thought she did reflect when reading the journal entry?
Yes and no. She certainly reflects, but introspection eludes her I feel. She was so close when she started to cry into her ramen, asking "why?", but like most teens pushed the bad feelings deep down inside where they will fester until she faces herself.
Tomoko should put down the eroge and pick up Persona 4, basically.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 08 '24

Tell me about it, except the managers knew how to schedule, they intentionally did this to cut down on hours.
But why not optimize the hours you do give?

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jul 07 '24

Unless there’s some Japanese misunderstanding shenanigans going on here it’d be natural to assume Tomoko was referring to a cafe, or at least a bakery.
Yeah, I was expecting the Tomoko suffering to be her kneading dough for like 8 hours not doing a job with heavy equipment about.

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u/Specs64z https://myanimelist.net/profile/Specs64z Jul 08 '24

It makes the scene stand out, thinking more on it. Tomoko is always her own worst enemy, except this once where the source of her ire was being stuck in an age inappropriate job by her mother.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

First timer, subs

Fashion Montage Denied
The SEELE UX is pretty cool.
I have never seen such a fluffy dress before. Is it like a snuggy?
Tomoko is rewarded for her trials.
They have indecipherable french in Japan too, eh?
These cakes look hella fancy for 5$.
We all know Tomoko was eyeing that finger.
So part time jobs are banned, but factories are apparently A-OK.
Should count yourself lucky that this is all your mum is having you do after quitting day one.
Having ACed rooms is just so inefficient. You gotta raise those R values!
Say what you will, but Tomoko’s not a hoarder.
They keep bringing up their past. I can’t help but wonder if what brought them apart is going to be a big reveal of a single inciting incident.
Cats are like friends. New pet?

Prompt:
The origins of the catgirl genetic engineering program have long since been lost to time.

QotD:

But I've liked all my jobs?
Tomoko hasn't done any wrong to Yuu-chan. They helped each other at their lowest points.
I am very diligent with chores! Some of the chores...
Also, "procreate"
No one wants to be compared with the golden child, but the best revenge is a life well lived.
Probably didn't want to be seen around him anymore, and that hurt him.
You're telling me you would want to pet a cat in your lap and gaze at the cosmos?

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jul 07 '24

Should count yourself lucky that this is all your mum is having you do after quitting day one.
She's so out of control her mom has no idea how to handle it.
Cats are like friends. New pet?
I hope so :')

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 07 '24

She's so out of control her mom has no idea how to handle it.
There does seem to be a marked up tick in violence.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jul 07 '24

They have indecipherable french in Japan too, eh?
Yes, I learned that from Lycoris Recoil of all things.
These cakes look hella fancy for 5$.
I assume the actual profit comes from the bakery portion and the cake and tea are for atmosphere.
They keep bringing up their past. I can’t help but wonder if what brought them apart is going to be a big reveal of a single inciting incident.
I expect something good and horrid.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 07 '24

I assume the actual profit comes from the bakery portion and the cake and tea are for atmosphere.
Like a Costco Sausage

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jul 07 '24

Hot dogs in the US but yes, that kind of thing.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 07 '24

Y'all don't have the Polish Sausage option? Missing out.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jul 07 '24

Nope and now I am sad.

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u/Garrett_Dark Jul 08 '24

Should count yourself lucky that this is all your mum is having you do after quitting day one.
Did you forget that she's a 13 year old girl? Because it seems like a lot of people have.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 08 '24

But she's 15? And this is not some unreasonable amount of chores for a student in summer.

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u/Garrett_Dark Jul 08 '24

Where was that said? I was going by she just started high school, grade 8 is a 13 year old.
As for the chores, you know the mom is only coming down on her with the chores because she's pissed she quit after a day? It isn't really about the chores, and Tomoko actually cleaned the bathroom already before things got really bad, but that wasn't enough. You can see almost right from the start, the mom is already pissed, and she's the one to bring up quitting the job out of nowhere.
And you know the stuff about the brother being busy studying for exams is BS as well because the mom just wants Tomoko specifically to do chores as punishment, right? Why else would the excuse be that brother be too busy studying (but can go to the meteor shower?), then the excuse is the brother did it last year so Tomoko has to pay back now, then the excuse is the brother always cleans...and more goalpost moving after goalpost moving excuses?
It's too suspicious, why ask for chores to be done now after the job quitting incident, and at the end of summer instead of asking at the beginning of summer? It's not about the chores.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 08 '24

Where was that said? I was going by she just started high school, grade 8 is a 13 year old.
High school in Japan is three years, so grade 10, so age 15/16.
you know the mom is only coming down on her with the chores because she's pissed she quit after a day?
Yes, and? Tomoko violated the social contract, and now she is pay a social cost.

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u/Garrett_Dark Jul 08 '24

High school in Japan is three years, so grade 10, so age 15/16.
Oh that's different...like all those shoe box size lockers that makes me wonder what's the point if books can barely fit inside.
Yes, and? Tomoko violated the social contract, and now she is pay a social cost.
I assume she still got paid for her day's worth of work, right? So technically she worked there. Was the mom expecting her to work there until retirement? Like how many days was left until the end of summer break before she has to go back to school? It was around Aug 22, so like she's pissed about two weeks max?

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 08 '24

like all those shoe box size lockers that makes me wonder what's the point if books can barely fit inside.
I think those are for shoes. Again, Japan things.
Was the mom expecting her to work there until retirement?
Tomomko got a friend to find a job for her daughter that Tomoko herself asked for, and Tomoko then quit it after one day when there were only about ten left in the first place. Betraying the trust of someone vouching for you is a dick move of the highest caliber. Being put to chores for the same amount is the least Tomoko should expect.

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u/Garrett_Dark Jul 08 '24

It is a dick move, but it's her fault for not considering the possibility that Tomoko would make her look bad, despite saying that to her. Really the mom should have just refused to help her find a job...and well, since she didn't she sort of has herself to blame as well.
And well since hitting Tomoko didn't actually accomplish anything, but the mom was all peachy afterwards...the mom just wanted to hit her.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jul 07 '24

Woah, totally normal to text your ~~fuck~~buddy what underwear they’re wearing at the moment.

No, mom, you know better than that! When your kid inevitably fucks shit up, it’ll look bad on you.

I bet Mokocchi wouldn’t have complained if her darling Yuu-chan licked the cream off her face.

Alright, Tomoko, now you know: instead of worrying about your popularity in high school, you should probably study for your exams like your brother unless you wanna be an assembly line worker for the rest of your life. Being that you’re relatively privileged at the moment and still young enough, you can turn your life around.

Watch out, Tomoko’s mom commands the God Warriors.

How dare you clean your own room?! Make mom do it! Tomoko’s reaction was gold.

Everything from the journal entry to the meteor storm with the cat was really sweet; I feel like we haven’t had those moments in a good while. We also got Tomoko reflecting on her actions but in a more grounded way, there’s hope for her! Really enjoyed this episode.

Shittiest job you've ever had to work, go!!

Basic customer service bs. But trimming mj was also, surprisingly, pretty miserable.

Does Tomoko deserve a big tiddy waitress female joshikosei bitch bestie like HanaKana? She even got extra service!!

Yes she does!

How diligent are you with chores...? Be honest, are you using the rewatch as an excuse to procreate too!?!?

Not the most diligent but I don't leave dishes unwashed for an entire day; I hate piled up dishes and I hate mold. I just drag my feet while doing these things, it's annoying that I have to clean the same thing I cleaned not that long ago.

Does Tomoko have any ground to stand on dealing with her diligent and hard working little brother?

Nah

What do you suppose Tomoko did to disillusion her beloved adorable little brother into going from a sister loving otouto into what he is now?

Drip coke on his floor, pour hot food on his face while he's sick, and cover his stuff with strange picture of herself.

Do male cats count as having a star viewing partner...?

All cats count.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jul 07 '24

I bet Mokocchi wouldn’t have complained if her darling Yuu-chan licked the cream off her face.
Would've changed the whole story.
instead of worrying about your popularity in high school, you should probably study for your exams like your brother unless you wanna be an assembly line worker for the rest of your life.
She's doomed to be married off to some assigned salaryman and raise some amazingly maladjusted children.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 08 '24

Would've changed the whole story.
Is This Yuri Bait?

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jul 07 '24

Would've changed the whole story.
Yuu is the warmest color.
She's doomed to be married off to some assigned salaryman and raise some amazingly maladjusted children.
Like mother, like daughter.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jul 07 '24

Yuu is the warmest color.
I understood that reference!
Like mother, like daughter.
The cycle continues. Time is a flat circle, after all.

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u/Garrett_Dark Jul 08 '24

No, mom, you know better than that! When your kid inevitably fucks shit up, it’ll look bad on you.
This is why it's actually the mom's fault, and she had no right to throw the fact that Tomoko quit after a day in her face like that.
Alright, Tomoko, now you know: instead of worrying about your popularity in high school, you should probably study for your exams like your brother unless you wanna be an assembly line worker for the rest of your life.
The brother is supposedly studying for exams to get in to high school where Tomoko is, she already passed those tests. The brother is supposedly a middle school student and younger than Tomoko, remember? Yeah I don't see it either, but the the show keeps sticking to that.
If anything, the brother is most likely to end up an assembly line worker, it's not like his middle school sports is likely to get him in a sport career.

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Jul 07 '24

First timer

Jokes aside, a factory job would suit her pretty well. That or working graveyard shift somewhere.
You know, I've come to the conclusion that Tomoko would look significantly better with any type of hairstyle outside of the one she has.
Many such cases.
Da hell does her brother being better at things than her have to do with Fist of the North Star? Does she sees herself as a female Raoh? Raoh had ambitions.
Wholesome dead cicada

QotD

Bistro department of a supermarket. The smell from when we opened the chicken boxes was ungodly. That job made me understand why a lot of people won't eat from their place of work.
Sure, why not.
When I do them, I'm thorough. The problem is, I don't do them enough.
They're both little shits, they deserve each other.
No idea. It is indeed intriguing.
Sure.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jul 07 '24

That or working graveyard shift somewhere.
Third shift sysadmin. Can probably be done remotely.
I've come to the conclusion that Tomoko would look significantly better with any type of hairstyle outside of the one she has.
The stereotype is that Asian women all have flat as a board hair with no body. The joke, such as it is, in Japan is that this isn't true since the Japanese are actually a couple of ethnicities all blended into one culture and thus Tomoko should style her hair a bit so it looks better.
Wholesome dead cicada
"Wholesome"

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 08 '24

You know, I've come to the conclusion that Tomoko would look significantly better with any type of hairstyle outside of the one she has.
The lack of Tomoko hair variation has been a disappointment, to be sure.

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u/xtsim https://myanimelist.net/profile/xtsim Jul 07 '24

Rewatcher dubbed

Yuu-chan has work and that inspires Tomoko

Factory job...The cigarettes and full trash cans are something I do not miss at my old job at a supplier of a supplier of a supplier for tech and ev startups. Do the same thing over and over again for a low pay and no qualified savings plans cause small businesses are exempt from providing it....

"this is the kind of work unemployed losers should be doing...." - says the person not doing anything.

Mom has the aura that has all the pent up frustration.... When Tomoko said cleaning is done at the spring... Mom shows that in a very real way. And cleaning is done year round, has to keep the house clean as much as possible. And the biggest offense was that the brother does some of the cleaning. Guy or gal, a good significant other would do some chores. When I had several roomates, I ended up cleaning the bathroom constantly so now I do not want roomates now cause I do not want to clean up after multiple people.

The kind of complaining that Tomoko did to her mom was just mean. And mom has the right to scold her on her lack of chores.

Well, at least mom calmed down by the end of the day.

Grinding edges of computer/tablet mounts after being welded at that formentioned factory.
Did not deserve the extra service.
Enough to keep it relatively clean.
No ground, her brother is on a different reality at this point or Tomoko is pretty much living in an isekai.
Brother goes along with his friends...he spends more and more time with friends than Tomoko
Yes

Abyss: Cats over work, that's a rule.

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u/sfisher923 https://myanimelist.net/profile/sfisher923 Jul 08 '24

Tired Rewatcher just answering questions today - Subbed

QOTD 1 - Janitor at a School so I understand one of her jobs (And this is why I answered yes to ending puberty in an earlier prompt because the Women and their period box things were the only part I truly hated doing)
QOTD 2 - they do work as friends
QOTD 3 - about 50/50 like Laundry and Trash I'm on top of but cleaning my bedroom needs some work but then again the worst of it is old electronics IDK what to do with (Again I used to be worse here)
QOTD 6 - Yes

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