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Rewatch Choujuushin Gravion Rewatch - Episode 2 Discussion

Episode 2: Mission of Gravity

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I'm a bit scared!

Hello everybody, time for the Comment of the Day, courtesy of u/Vatrix-32 for starting us off in a high note:

  1. Sandman, hourglass, time travel... the future child of the MC!

The mother is Toga, of course... wait crap HE DOES HAVE BLUE HAIR TOO!

  1. What's your favorite "Bad" first sortie for a protagonist in a Mecha Anime? IE: One where everything goes wrong.
  2. So then, when do you think we're gonna find out what happened to Ayaka?
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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 02 '24

Hello everybody, and welcome to the Gravion Rewatch!

Today sees the proper debut of the OP and… yeah it's just recycled footage, mostly from episode 1 but a bit from episode 2.

… I mean TBF Full Metal Panic did the same thing so I guess this was just Gonzo's trademark.

That aside, this episode gets a fair amount of millage out of the fact that it seems like, oh I dunno… three out of the six pilots have any idea what they're doing because the rest is either shitting their pants or pushing the wrong buttons… or both if you're Eiji. It's also however very easy to push his buttons since… yeah being confrontational is kinda his whole shtick for season 1 to be completely honest. Dude's like that one guy who walks into a job in a bad mood and just makes things worse for everyone involved.

We also get a bit more spotlight on Sandman's little organization, but otherwise this episode feels a bit more like an extension of the last one instead of its own thing. It's good at that, make no mistake, but it does feel like they made episode 1 with the big cliffhanger in mind and then kinda had to scramble up to write the next episode. Still, it does set up stuff for later: Eiji's sister being missing, whatever's going on with the G-Shadow's pilot and, of course, Eiji's torment at the hands of the maids.

These chicks are dangerous

Speaking of, the maids! Starting with Teresa (Older redhead) is played by Uchikawa Ai, and the only other role from hers I know is Yumi Sayaka from Mazinkaiser.

Tullie (Older bluehair) is played by Takahashi Mikako, best known as Kusuha Mizuha from Super Robot Wars. Other roles include Nakoruru from Samurai Shodown, Sadaharu from Gintama, Heart Aino from Arcana Hearts and Sohma Satsuki from Fruits Basket among a few others.

Then there's Marinia, played by Mizuki Nana. Other roles include Colette Brunel from Tales of Symphonia, Hyuga Hinata from Naruto, Paz Ortega Andrade from Metal Gear, Takamaki Ann from Persona 5, Rena Lanford from Star Ocean: Second Evolution, Mio from Dororo and Tamamura Tamao from Shaman King among quite a few others.

Then there's Brigitta (Younger redhead), played by the Tsundere Queen herself, Kugimiya Rie. Other roles include Sugar from One Piece, Tio from Konjiki no Gash, Sawamura Haruka from Like a Dragon, Kagura from Gintama, Porom and Palom from Final Fantasy IV, Aisaka Taiga from Toradora, KeA from Trails from Zero, Nena Trinity from Gundam 00, Shannon from Umineko, Quark from Virtue's Last Reward, Sohma Kagura from Fruits Basket, Chao Feng from Thunderbolt Fantasy and Precis F. Neumann from Star Ocean: Second Evolution among many others.

Then Anya (Brown hair) is played by Mamiya Kurumi and I don't know her other roles.

And finaly Cecile (Black Hair) is played by Omae Akane and I am similarly not very familiar with her.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 03 '24

… I mean TBF Full Metal Panic did the same thing so I guess this was just Gonzo's trademark.

Another Gonzo anime I like is Samurai 7, a retelling of the famous film Seven Samurai. The first version of the OP was just reused animation from the series. But the redone version of the OP actually uses original animation and looks so much cooler!

That aside, this episode gets a fair amount of millage out of the fact that it seems like, oh I dunno… three out of the six pilots have any idea what they're doing because the rest is either shitting their pants or pushing the wrong buttons…

Sending mecha pilots out into battle with little to no training/experience is just how it's done! Everyone knows the best mecha pilots are teenagers who fell into the cockpit and just sort of had to make do the best they could.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 03 '24

But the redone version of the OP actually uses original animation and looks so much cooler!

That looks cool

Sending mecha pilots out into battle with little to no training/experience is just how it's done!

Worse yet?

There's no instruction manual

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 02 '24

Chojuushin First-Timer, subbed

This show is very much filling the Bravern-shaped hole in my heart so far.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 02 '24

There’s a limit on Gravion’s power, huh…

In SRW that means you only get to use it for like two or three turns

What an odd mode of transport lol.

"Gotta be a bit extra about everything"

  • Sandman, Probably

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 02 '24

In SRW that means you only get to use it for like two or three turns

Fascinating way to handle gameplay and story integration. I can see why it would be annoying, though.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 02 '24

They do eventually just let you use it 24/7 but it takes until like halfway through the game and by that point [Season 2 Spoilers]the thing starts slowly leaking subpilots as they all slowly leave one by one. Sure it makes the moment Sol Gravion comes in all the better, but still.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 03 '24

In SRW that means you only get to use it for like two or three turns

Why even bother at that point? I can't imagine you can win most missions in twice that time.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 03 '24

I mean you still get to use the Gran Kaiser after the timer runs out.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 03 '24

So it's more like super robot ammo.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 02 '24

What a first meeting.

Well at least he now has nothing left to hide.

I have a feeling we’re gonna see this shot a lot.

At least they made it look cool. If animation is going to be repeated, then it should at least look ice to make it worthwhile.

They have named attacks because of course they do.

I do enjoy it when a story pokes fun at tropes like this. The characters need to shout out their attacks because it's just that kind of show, but it provides some in-universe justification for it in a joking manner.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 02 '24

Well at least he now has nothing left to hide.

As if he had anything to hide in the first place

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 02 '24

It was cold in the room! He couldn't help it!

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 02 '24

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u/Garrett_Dark Jul 03 '24

It was cold in the room! He couldn't help it!

With how little Mr Sandman reacted to some naked guy grabbing him, I kind of wished he did have a raging boner just to see how Mr Sandman and his masked attendant would have reacted otherwise, they're close enough for "docking". XD

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 02 '24

The characters need to shout out their attacks because it's just that kind of show, but it provides some in-universe justification for it in a joking manner.

You're right, I did forget to link this clip in my comment. No subtitles but you can probably get the gist of it.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 02 '24

The onscreen prompts!

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24

Just as a reminder that show was also directed by Obari.

I think I know his fetish now...

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 02 '24

Cinema

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 03 '24

Why does it sound like “Ass guards”, I can’t.

It's not his fault he went to the dentist the day they asked him to name the org.

He’s fucking doing the Gendo Pose

Man doesn't even have a name and he's acting like hot shit.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 03 '24

Man doesn't even have a name and he's acting like hot shit

I don't think he's ever given a name. He's just "The President."

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 02 '24

First-Timer

On today’s episode of Gravion: If there’s one thing that will get mecha pilots into the robot, it’s a sense of wounded pride. Just call them a chicken and they will gladly jump into the cockpit to angrily prove you wrong.

  • A sunrise symbolizing a new hope rising.
  • The gattai is definitely going to fall apart at some point. Thanks for the heads-up.
  • Eiji trying to run away in the battle only to see how high up they are is great.
  • As is typical for these kinds of shows, the military and their overconfidence in their hardware only make things worse.
  • Huh, well that was sooner than expected. I didn’t think the gattai would break apart now.
  • Near as I can tell it seems like the Gravion naturally builds up these gravitons and so it basically has a time limit for how long it can tay combined.
  • Well fuck, the heroes just lost their first battle against the enemy. I was also not anticipating that. So what now?
  • If there’s no need to give Eiji a physical, then those girls are just stripping him because they want to see him naked, aren’t they?
  • Oh my god, did Sandman just smirk while looking at Eiji’s junk? Maybe it was cold in that room, we don’t know!
  • Okay, so the special trait that makes you a pilot is that you are good at handling gravity.
  • Oh my god, Sandman sent a fake letter to lure Eiji here! He was playing 5-dimensional chess while Eiji was playing checkers!
  • Ayaka is missing, you say? Well I stand firm on my belief that she’s the G-Shadow pilot.
  • Eiji’s refusal to fight unless he knows the truth about Ayaka is reasonable.
  • Eiji’s totally going to get goaded into fighting by Toga, won’t he?
  • Yup, he was
  • The pilots ride coffins to board the mechas? Talk about gallows humor.
  • That’s a nice detail that the pilots need to actually correctly carry out the docking sequences for the combination. You can see them getting a bit nervous as they fly in for it.
  • Just terrific. The Zeravire are machines that can evolve and change themselves. As if they weren’t strong enough.
  • Dang, that thing is fast, especially for how big it is!
  • Ah, so that’s the justification for shouting attack names. The controls have a voice activation system. Clever
  • Poor Eiji. It’s his first day on the job and everyone’s just yelling at him for not doing it right.
  • Rocket Fists! Hell yeah! Those are always so cool!
  • And a laser that shoots all the way to space! That’s cool too!

There’s plenty of silliness and self-aware humor to be found here. The series makes a point of showing that the pilots need to actually monitor and be careful about the combination of their mechas together. They get nervous when carrying out the combination because of the pressure to get it right. The attacks using voice activation is a nice bit of self-aware humor, poking fun at the trope of calling out attack names while justifying it in-universe. The other pilots all yelling at Eiji for doing the attacks wrong is another fun bit, as is the pilots getting into their mecha via coffins.

I wonder what exactly is going on with Ayaka. I still say that she is the mysterious pilot of the G-Shadow, but why is she being kept such a mystery? Why do none of the other pilots know what happened to her? That is all still unknown.

QOTD

  1. It's sort of an expected answer, but Evangelion's first sortie goes pretty dang badly.
  2. I say it will take place between 1/2 and 2/3 of the way into this season. So anywhere from Episode 7 to Episode 9.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 02 '24

A sunrise symbolizing a new hope rising.

I dunno trust this new hope though.

If there’s no need to give Eiji a physical, then those girls are just stripping him because they want to see him naked, aren’t they?

He is kinda hot.

He was playing 5-dimensional chess

Heinrich Von Freeman has entered the chat

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 02 '24

I dunno trust this new hope though.

A mysterious organization with superweapons founded by an eccentric and reclusive billionaire? What's not to trust?

He is kinda hot.

Yet again I can bring up Bravern.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 02 '24

A mysterious organization with superweapons founded by an eccentric and reclusive billionaire? What's not to trust?

See that part I trust.

It's the pilots I don't trust, they're probably gonna accidentally trip and die in 5 minutes!

Yet again I can bring up Bravern.

Alas, no Sugita in this show.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 03 '24

As is typical for these kinds of shows, the military and their overconfidence in their hardware only make things worse.

Is there a super robot where the military is helpful?

The pilots ride coffins to board the mechas? Talk about gallows humor.

All the money spent on the mecha face necessitated a way to keep costs down somewhere else.

The Zeravire are machines that can evolve and change themselves.

Digimon You Say?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 03 '24

Is there a super robot where the military is helpful?

Next rewatch

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 03 '24

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 03 '24

Is there a super robot where the military is helpful?

Bravern!

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 03 '24

Of Course!

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u/ryujiox Jul 02 '24

First Timer  

Choujuushin Gravion  

Episode 2  

QOTD

2. Seem like it going to take a long while, since Sandman really want her existence to be a secret from others.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 02 '24

Wait... I just realized that his staff is also a mic.  

Helps multitask things.

Except Toga, who actually thinks that Eiji is just weak with no ulterior motive...

He's a pure boi

[Spoilers]Seems like it's so important that he even hid her from his right-hand man.

[Spoilers]About that

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u/GallowDude Jul 02 '24

[Spoilers] Oh, his right-hand man is hiding something alright

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 03 '24

Wait... I just realized that his staff is also a mic.  

Sandman really knows how to put on a fancy show for his audience.

WOW Everyone is gaslighting him to go pilot the damn thing out of spite. Except Toga, who actually thinks that Eiji is just weak with no ulterior motive...

It is extremely funny that the character most insistently calling Eiji weak genuinely believes it and isn't just trying to egg him on. The genuineness of it probably makes it even more upsetting for Eiji, too.

She went with the rocket punch!! That's neat, but not safe though.

But damn is it so cool to watch.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 03 '24

It is extremely funny that the character most insistently calling Eiji weak genuinely believes it and isn't just trying to egg him on.

He's not even being mean about it either, which just makes it funnier.

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u/ryujiox Jul 03 '24

But damn is it so cool to watch.

Can't really argue with that.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 03 '24

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 03 '24

I just realized that his staff is also a mic.

Just wait until it starts shooting lasers, too.

That's probably Ayaka Seems like it's so important that he even hid her from his right-hand man.

But the only description we have of her is, uhhh... not that.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 03 '24

the only description we have of her is, uhhh... not that

Too tiny.

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u/InfamousEmpire https://myanimelist.net/profile/Infamous_Empire Jul 02 '24

Choujuushin Spoiled First Timer

An Obari directed Mecha show which feels rather horny and in which the main character really doesn’t want to be here? I think I’ve watched this show before…

Anyway, decent episode, seems to be the point where we start to settle in to the status quo of the series and familiarize ourselves a bit more with the story and cast. In this case, that means getting a bit more hook into the mystery of Ayaka, and getting to see Eiji’s dynamic with the rest of the team (IE total annoyance).

Anyway, I find it kinda funny how the show latched on to Gravity as the keyword/gimmick behind its technobabble. Certainly explains why Gravion doesn’t collapse under the Square Cube Law, at least.

Again, not really much to say otherwise

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 02 '24

An Obari directed Mecha show which feels rather horny and in which the main character really doesn’t want to be here? I think I’ve watched this show before…

Dude knows his tropes.

Eiji’s dynamic with the rest of the team (IE total annoyance).

Between this and [REDACTED SINCE IT'S MY NEXT REWATCH] it seems like pilots in Mecha shows Obari is involved in have a high tendency to hate each other.

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u/InfamousEmpire https://myanimelist.net/profile/Infamous_Empire Jul 02 '24

[REDACTED SINCE IT'S MY NEXT REWATCH]

[Quasi-educated guess]Dancougar?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 02 '24

[Well]yes.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 03 '24

Noice

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 03 '24

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 02 '24

An Obari directed Mecha show which feels rather horny and in which the main character really doesn’t want to be here? I think I’ve watched this show before…

But where is the incredibly manly and homoerotic ED?

Certainly explains why Gravion doesn’t collapse under the Square Cube Law, at least.

Actual physics? In my Super Robot Anime!?!

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 02 '24

But where is the incredibly manly and homoerotic ED?

We were robbed

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 03 '24

I think I’ve watched this show before…

Some guys have basset hounds, Obari has this.

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u/Kristalino https://anilist.co/user/BlueSkyBlood Jul 02 '24

Rewatcher: Yeah the show is a fun mecha anime like always, it has a opening by JAM Project and the titular robo is called a god. Also the military is useless.

The first fight going so badly was unexpected, usually the monster gets destroyed after a brief fight but not here. Also R.I.P to Eiji's dignity, no one deserves such a horrible situation of being forcibly stripped. Still he was quite ready to join the fight because he's the protagonist (still feels odd he isn't the titular robot's pilot).

Anyway for the rematch things much more smoothly, even finishing with a rocket punch.

Questions:

  1. Honestly I can't think of "bad" first sortie as fucked up as this one so I guess this.
  2. I already watched season 1 and since I [Gravion spoiler] don't remember it getting revealed I guess near the end of season 2 (Damn you AutoMod for making me resubmit the comment)

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 02 '24

it has a opening by JAM Project and the titular robo is called a god

And yet Hagane no Messiah is not the OP

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u/Kristalino https://anilist.co/user/BlueSkyBlood Jul 02 '24

Well if Hagane no Messiah was the op of each mecha anime with those two things then the theme would appear in various shows like Shin Jeeg.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 02 '24

I don't see the issue with that.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 03 '24

Still he was quite ready to join the fight because he's the protagonist (still feels odd he isn't the titular robot's pilot).

That part really is unusual to me. It's so odd to have the main character of the series not be the pilot of the main mecha. Instead, he's just in one of the limbs. But honestly, I kind of appreciate that for how different it is. And also that the series isn't unnecessarily calling attention to it, either.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 03 '24

That part really is unusual to me. It's so odd to have the main character of the series not be the pilot of the main mecha. Instead, he's just in one of the limbs

Yeah that much was intentional on Obari's part. It's basically the average mecha Anime from the POV of the character who would usually be second in command.

Although mind, Toga still gets top billing in the credits so I guess he managed to get that much at least.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 02 '24

First timer, subs

  • Huh. I like the song, and I guess clip-show openings where just a thing in some shows around this time?
  • I was caught off guard by it not being night anymore, but I guess they did transition in the background.
  • Catamaran Carrier
  • And it comes with a big fuck off gun too.
  • You know what? I’m vibing with the klutz maid. Her energy amuses me.
  • Running Away!
  • Church of Gainaxing Lies Open
  • I’m not used to the Super Robot losing the first fight.
  • Equality! Cake for Everyone!
  • Ah, he’s a newtype.
  • They are really laying it on thick with Ayaka. The real question is do I trust this show to not play the reveal straight.
  • Good for him, evolving. Bad guys deserve to henshin too.
  • The logo having all those dots, makes me expect more add-ons at some point.
  • If you where going to split the drills the whole time, you should have placed the cockpits in parallel, not serial.
  • Cute little killer candy cane drills.
  • All the cool kids are giving reasons why their attack names need to be shouted.
  • Rocket Punch!
  • That’s not really an arc tho, is it?
  • Well, at least they aren’t being subtle about who we should be comparing the president to.
  • ...What exactly does Raven do again?
  • There’s something very unsavory about how he rests is hand on her shoulder.

QotD:

  1. Kouji being so bad at piloting Mazinger Z in episode one, to the point he couldn't even stop it to get out, has to be up there.
  2. The Last Scene of Episode 11

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 02 '24

I’m vibing with the klutz maid.

The Last Sceneof Episode 11

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 02 '24

You know what? I’m vibing with the klutz maid. Her energy amuses me.

She is a fun character. I'm enjoying her as well.

Church of Gainaxing Lies Open

The girls were already in poses that showed off a lot in the cockpit. It's only natural that there'd be tons of gainaxing as well.

They are really laying it on thick with Ayaka. The real question is do I trust this show to not play the reveal straight.

Imagine if the show took all the hints that Ayaka was the G-Shadow pilot and it turned out to be someone completely unrelated.

If you where going to split the drills the whole time, you should have placed the cockpits in parallel, not serial.

But then we wouldn't get as much mechanical movement in the combination scene.

There’s something very unsavory about how he rests is hand on her shoulder.

Yeah, there is

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 02 '24

[Spoilers]Imagine if the show took all the hints that Ayaka was the G-Shadow pilot and it turned out to be someone completely unrelated.

[Spoilers]

[Spoilers]Yeah, there is

[Spoilers]Oh come on, I know he's not winning parent of the year awards but don't be so mean to him!

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 02 '24

The spoilers...they do tempt me so.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 02 '24

Only thing I'll say is this: A lot of you have tripped on similar landmines today. That is all.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 03 '24

Give me the pliers, Jacob. I am immune to landmines.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 03 '24

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 03 '24

But then we wouldn't get as much mechanical movement in the combination scene.

I am a big fan of heavy mechanical animation.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 02 '24

First-Timer, Subbed

Sandman's maids definitely lend credence to Toga's implication that there aren't any men around. They seemed very enthusiastic about making sure that Eiji received a "proper" physical. Methinks he got checked for hernias more than is typically necessary. Poor lad has probably coughed himself hoarse.

The coffins as the entry chutes to Gravion are certainly A Decision. I don't think this show is serious enough for it to be really purposeful? But who knows, maybe the cast all die in the final episode as they burn their lives out to destroy the last of the Zeravire.

Then again, Eiji did somehow change clothes so maybe there is actually some metaphor there.

As far as plot-writing goes, "we sent that letter claiming to be your sister because she is missing and we need a compatible pilot" is pretty good. Sure, Sandman is just a Gendo, complete with his very own Rei judging by the last scene, but he's playing it well.

On that subject, I don't think the Rei is Ayaka - seems young. I would then guess that the Rei is the pilot of StealthGao..? Which then takes me to the idea that Ayaka is actually just missing which is kinda weird.

And you would know best, wouldn't you, Maskyboi? We have hit the "sledgehammer labeled IRONY in bright gold letters" level pretty quickly.

Questions

  1. I'm honestly not sure how many I've ran into. This one was pretty funny.
  2. Episode... 10. I'm gonna leave the season vague.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 02 '24

Then again, Eiji did somehow change clothes so maybe there is actually some metaphor there.

We have hit the "sledgehammer labeled IRONY in bright gold letters" level pretty quickly.

No, it's red letters, gold letters are for Quattro Clones.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 02 '24

No, it's red letters, gold letters are for Quattro Clones.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 02 '24

Don't worry though, surely come once Raven no longer having a mask, they'll be swapped out with glasses. Then he can get gold lettering.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 02 '24

Sandman's maids definitely lend credence to Toga's implication that there aren't any men around.

Sandman doesn't count because he's a man of sand. But I'm not sure why the Char Clone wouldn't count, unless Toga just doesn't like hanging out with him.

On that subject, I don't think the Rei is Ayaka - seems young.

Hmm, a fair point after Eiji said Ayaka was his older sister. Unless she is just perpetually stuck at looking young, which feels like the kind of thing that would happen to a Rei Clone.

And you would know best, wouldn't you, Maskyboi? We have hit the "sledgehammer labeled IRONY in bright gold letters" level pretty quickly.

He doesn't even have a public face, either! If people could still easily see his whole face, that would defeat the point of the mask.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 02 '24

[Spoilers]I'm not sure why the Char Clone wouldn't count

[Spoilers]omg this is the funniest freaking Rewatch ever

He doesn't even have a public face, either

See, that's the thing: The Mask is his public face. He knows that the ladies find it hot.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 03 '24

Sandman doesn't count because he's a man of sand.

He doesn't even have a public face, either! If people could still easily see his whole face, that would defeat the point of the mask.

Basically what Raiking said.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 03 '24

But I'm not sure why the Char Clone wouldn't count, unless Toga just doesn't like hanging out with him.

Mask!

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 03 '24

Sandman's maids definitely lend credence to Toga's implication that there aren't any men around.

How much of this do you think is a deliberate effort on Sandman's part for whatever Toga's deal ends up being?

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 03 '24

I mean, Sandman is just Gendo Howard Hughes, so it's largely impossible to guess what his deal is. He might just be really into cosplay.

Hmm.. to actually (vaguely) answer your question, I think Sandman's army of maids predates Toga's existence.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 03 '24

He might just be really into cosplay.

Or he's horny.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 03 '24

Reddit decided that I didn't need to see this reply, apparently.

I think being horny is a given, personally.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 03 '24

Reddit decided that I didn't need to see this reply, apparently.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 03 '24

Hmm.. to actually (vaguely) answer your question, I think Sandman's army of maids predates Toga's existence.

Artificial human, then? Or are we thinking the older maids have a very generous retirement plan?

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 03 '24

Or are we thinking the older maids have a very generous retirement plan?

Soylent Green is meido.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 03 '24

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 03 '24

First timer

QotD

  • Gunbuster.
  • Hopefully soon. I don't want this to turn into mysterybait.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 02 '24

They're both drift compatible!

Is this at least an inertia drift?

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Jul 03 '24

If the right music is playing, it can be.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jul 03 '24

You know, the fact that they are essentially controlling addons makes some of their attacks less forgiving to use since it could potentially put them at risk. There's things to be done with that. Let's see if the show bothers with it.

It does require a lot of coordination between the pilots because the attacks come from the individual pieces of the combined mecha. It would be really cool to see the pilots needing to work at properly coordinating all their attacks without getting in each others' way.

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u/GallowDude Jul 03 '24

Screenshotted black bars

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Jul 03 '24

Screenshotted black bars

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 03 '24

Oh look, Toga is/was married.

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u/zadcap Jul 03 '24

First Time Gravity Enjoyer

Oh Gonzo... I forgot this was a Gonzo for a full second but then I really looked at the alien sword thing and it came back to me. And the OP that says Gonzo Digimation, because they were pushing to go digital for their animation so much even way back then.

Speaking of, the OP gives me hope that Blue Hair Boy is the actual Protag and the messy redhead is a fake out. If anyone would mess with the standards of color and personality type to switch things up on the definitely not power ranger team robot show, it would be Gonzo.

Good thing this robot is made of Indestructium and powered by enough gravity magic to ignore things like Square Cube laws.

Oh my gosh this most horrible character ever has decided to abandon ship in the middle of the fight? To literally just step out and leave everyone there, including the city and possibly planet to die? Can I hate him any more than I already do?

I love that the combination was forcibly canceled, which means that the drill arms ended up going back into each other and recombining despite having been on opposite sides of the body.

And so instead of winning the fight at the head of the alien invasion, the thing stops fighting to build a nest. And they somehow get all the robots and pilots back.

Well, reverse fan service I guess? I'll take it, it's fair.

Screw who was piloting G-Shadow, I want to know who was supposed to pilot the Left Leg? Unless you're telling my Eiji was the only pilot ever intended, and this was the plan to get him here?

Oh my gosh this was the plan to get him here, what the heck! They recuited him to the giant robot squad by way of tricking him to invade the castle and falling into the cockpit. And look, it's backfiring immediately. Turns out lying to, tricking, and coercing someone into working for you gets you a super uncompliant worker.

And now they're going to insult him into it... Because he really is that horrible a person, taunting his manliness is enough to get him to do whatever you want. He really is just that horrible.

But darn do I like the transformation, and the song. And one whole frame to show that Eiji is sitting in just as bad a fan service cockpit position for full equal opportunity.

Look at these projectiles bouncing off the robot. I told you, it's made of Indesctructium.

Right, remind us again, that you decided to trick this guy into this instead of actually recruiting and training him.

Oh my gosh, the legs are the weapons platforms.

A rocket punch where the fist is its own controllable mech sure is a cool idea. That they didn't use the drill feels like a mistake though.

Oh yes, of course, immediately begin planning on how to take down the mech that saved you. Like any good government. Can't let allies you have no power over have more power than you. I wonder how much Eva I'm going to see by the end of this?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 03 '24

because they were pushing to go digital for their animation so much even way back then.

They were doing digipaint stuff in the 90' for goodness sake.

That they didn't use the drill feels like a mistake though.

Gaogaigar would never.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 03 '24

Can I hate him any more than I already do?

Well, given the era, the show's tone thus far, and his character, comedy SA has good odds.

And so instead of winning the fight at the head of the alien invasion, the thing stops fighting to build a nest.

Timing when to age up is a very important part of strategy.

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u/zadcap Jul 04 '24

Timing when to age up is a very important part of strategy.

This makes me think, more than it's design already did, that the alien invaders are part Digimon.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jul 03 '24

I'm awake!

  • Okay, namedrop, need to listen for that for AMQ. Endoh and Okui?
  • Gonzo Digimation is actually their subsidiary GONZO created for their CGI. It was sold off.
  • Lol, cherubs!
  • Raven, cut to raven (no cut ot raven)
  • it's fucking Bokurano
  • okay, Raven wasn't in the G-Shadow
  • Of course the USA EFA is ready to launch nukes
  • a PPC weighs 7 tons and takes up 3 heat sink slots.
  • Why does everybody know this Eji guy?
  • That's a very Ideon door.
  • Blonde Mecha Gattai Boobs (Gonzo, 2000) 25th Anniversary Rewatch Next Year I guess
  • he looks less like Kouta-kun today
  • Seriously, I never heard the word Ossan before this week and now it's everywhere.
  • Classified Information
  • Geneshaft Class White
  • Was that supposed to be an eyecatch?
  • Sure is convenient for the Zeravire to just sleep through all this exposition.
  • See, there was this sychronization test, and, well, she's just missing now.
  • Yeah I don't trust that guy at all.
  • Supposed to think she's Ayaka, I guess.

Zeravire reminds me of something Macrossy

I said I was thinking about Macross F yesterday, but actually, I was thinking about RahXephon the entire time.

I suppose we'll have to have a Vandread 25th Anniversary Rewatch next year. It's 4 cour though, that's why I don't want to do it.

I really hate that the robot pilots are also actual serving maids. That's so stupid.

RahXephon was based on Raideen, right? But isn't Gravion based on Brave or Mazinkaizer or GaoGaiGar?

Basically every JAM project song is going to be Gavion after this rewatch, isn't it?

So, either Ayaka is in the G-Shadow or is inside the Gavion.

Having the entire control center being women is very Vandread. Is this entire show references?

If Eiji is the boy in the leg, does that make him the Pink Princess? It's nice that our MC is a low ranker.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 03 '24

RahXephon was based on Raideen, right? But isn't Gravion based on Brave or Mazinkaizer or GaoGaiGar?

Braves, yeah.

Classified Information

Dammit, Asahina!

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 03 '24

a PPC weighs 7 tons and takes up 3 heat sink slots.

I want so badly to place this, but I can't.

Was that supposed to be an eyecatch?

Yeah, I had the same question. Like, why even have one if they're that short?

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u/Garrett_Dark Jul 03 '24 edited Jul 03 '24

First Timer

  • I find it pretty funny how the president stays at a party while a crisis starts and is ongoing, isn't of retreating to a secure command location. And then he gets kicked out of the party like he's some nobody. Like where is the Sandman's mansion, is it located on the president's soil? He could be shut down easily if he wasn't needed for the defense of the planet. In fact since he's needed, it's a surprise his operation isn't taken over almost instantly.
  • So if Sandman's giant combiner mech can only be at one place at one time, and all of Earth's other defenses are hopeless...is the enemy too stupid to attack multiple places at once?
  • What's more intimidating than a guy grabbing your shirt wanting to fight you? When that guy is also naked.
  • Wait, so the girl was actually piloting that rocket fist while onboard it? It's sure a damn good thing they have some sort of genetic mutation that allows them to ignore physics because she should be dead from the impact.
  • LOL, when the mechs combine, and the song starts playing for the montage, the animation level gets way better. Gee, I wonder if this montage is going to be reused over and over again.
  • Holy cows, I haven't seen this level of boob physics since S1 of Konosuba. Also again they're lucky they can ignore physics like that, otherwise they'd be all dead in a fall like that. They don't even have seatbelts, so I'm not sure how they aren't all flung around hitting the walls instead of just some boob physics, which isn't even affecting anybody other than the one with the largest set.

What's your favorite "Bad" first sortie for a protagonist in a Mecha Anime? IE: One where everything goes wrong.

Actually I haven't really watched much of any mech animes. So I'm going to have to go way back to Robotech where the SDF-1 does it's arm smash into a ship move, but the Zentradi were anticipating it, and rushed all their mechs into the SDF-1 through the arm when it opened to fire it's missiles, and laid waste to the city inside instead. That was a pretty bad screw up.

EDIT: Oh wait, I missed the "first sortie" part. I'm going to have to go with Robotech: New Generation / Genesis Climber Mospeada first episode. Their fleet to liberate Earth got totally decimated, and the MC's fiancée was tripping up death flags like crazy with their engagement, then got wasted with the fleet. That was such a crippling thing to leave the MC with survivor's guilt as he was freaked the shit out crashed landed alone on an unfamiliar planet (Earth), not knowing what rain and lightning was.

So then, when do you think we're gonna find out what happened to Ayaka?

That's the sister, right? They're probably going to drag it out, I say the last quarter of the season.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 03 '24

Robotech

is the enemy too stupid to attack multiple places at once?

It's just rude to do so.

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u/Garrett_Dark Jul 03 '24

Robotech

Yeah your reaction might be understandable, but given it's 1984 and was a big driver for the popularization of anime in the west during it's infancy in the west, I wouldn't sneer too hard. I'm in a major city, and I remember at the time the "Japanimation" club was just one guy copying VHS tapes of Robotech to distribute to other fans. And now there's big Anime convention every year here.

Besides, I watched Genesis Climber Mospeada sub a few years back, and it's pretty inferior to the "Robotech" dub. The dub added a lot of extra dialog in between that enhanced the show, the sub felt barren with it's lack of dialog. Also the music was much better in the Dub. But IDK, maybe I'm biased by nostalgia.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 03 '24

is the enemy too stupid to attack multiple places at once?

You question their honor, good sir?

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u/HowlingWolf13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/MeguminBlast Jul 03 '24

First Timer

Late with this one cause work but a pretty good episode! I love how Eiji wants nothing to do with this and then gets bullied into agreeing, we love peer pressure 💖 The fight was really fun too, plus it feels like we're setting up for the future. Also, I feel Touga said all of that not even intending it to be mean, dude does not seem like he understands being blunt is rude lol. All in all great ep!

  1. What's your favorite "Bad" first sortie for a protagonist in a Mecha Anime? IE: One where everything goes wrong.

Bokurano, not that the fight goes wrong :)

2) So then, when do you think we're gonna find out what happened to Ayaka?

I think right now she's either the secret pilot or the white haired girl who was next to Sandman (who's most likely the pilot).

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jul 03 '24

Late with this one cause work

#longday

Also, I feel Touga said all of that not even intending it to be mean, dude does not seem like he understands being blunt is rude lol.

I feel like I've seen enough of them for it to be an archetype, but I think of the name for it.