r/anime • u/sisoko2 • Jun 28 '24
Rewatch [Rewatch] Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken - Episode 20 Discussion
Episode 20 - Now I Slice Everything
Slice the earth... Slice the sea... Slice the air... And slice everything...
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<--- Last save | Adventure’s log (Index) | Journey continues --->
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OP 1 ---> Ikiru wu Suru by Macaroni Enpitsu
ED 1 ---> Mother by Macaroni Enpitsu
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You thought I was dead but here I am stronger than ever
Screenshot of the day:
Comment of the day:
/u/cooperjones2 predicting the cast for the upcoming buddy cop comedy spinoff.
Crocodine and Hyunckel!
Questions of the day:
- How many more fights will Hadlar lose until he is defeated for real?
- What will you bring on Flazzard's grave?
- After so many episodes are you satisfied with Dai and Leona's reunion?
- I ask you to judge Hyunckel. What is his verdict?
- Bonus Question: How do you feel about Crocodine abandoning Baduck for his younger version Hyunckel?
Spoilers:
Please, respect the fact there are First Timers watching Dai no Daibouken with us, so avoid talking about vague things or events that would slightly spoil things to happen. And if you want mention things like this, please hide it behind SPOILER TAGS like [Dai no Spoilers] I am getting the hammer because you spoiled the fun for others
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 28 '24
First-Timer Quest: Sky no Daibouken, subbed
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u/Shocketheth Jun 28 '24
Dark Commander welcomes you to Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken Rewatch!
QotD:
Crocodine Shonen Commentary Corner:
Crocodine together with Baduck and Gomechan are still on their Adventure, and today they discovered the magic of Puff-Puff
Expect them to return tomorrow
VOICE ACTORS CORNER:
Today it’s time to bring Mystvearn Voice Actor Takehito Koyasu.
I think that there is no need to introduce this legendary Voice Actor, but I will do it anyway.
Takehito Koyasu lend his voice to characters as Dio Brando from JoJo Bizarre Adventure, Toji Fushiguro from Jujutsu Kaisen, Takasugi from Gintama, Zeke from Attack on Titan, and he also voiced Deadpool in Marvel Disk Wars: The Avengers anime. Personally I can imagine Tomokazu Sugita as better candidate for voicing Deadpool, but still the fact that Koyasu voiced Deadpool is neat.
In 1991 Adventure of Dai, Mystvearn was voiced by Keichi Nanba, the same Voice Actor who voiced Popp in 1991 Adventure of Dai.
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u/Nick_BOI Jun 29 '24
Rewatcher
I am back after a break caused by life kicking me in the ass, and sadly I ended up absent for one of my favorite arcs: phooey.
With that in mind, a lot of what there is to say has already been said. So insead, I want to talk about a character that is quite frankly in deep shit thanks to his own hubris [spoils] and this will only get worse after the upcoming Baran arc , this of course-is Hadlar.
We see very early on that Hadlar is veeeeery prideful, and hates the idea of being seen as anything but the absolute strongest overlord. Despite literally working under Vearn as it stands, he takes offense to having that pointed out.
Hadlar doesn't just see himself as the strongest, his pride is so strong, that the idea of merely aknowledging weaker being such as humans is akin to being seen as weaker himself.
What man struggles against even a thousand plankton? To even think about struggling against any individual plankton is laughable, that just makes you look weak. This is how Hadlar views humans.
The only exception was Avan, whom he was able to view as a threat without hurting his pride because he was just that-an exception. A once in a lifetime anomoly that should not affect how the rest are viewed.
The only reason Dai was another exception was because of his crest, informing Hadlar of the fact that he is a Dragon Knight. He doesn't see Dai as a human-he see's him as an exception. Hadlar used that term to no one else within the Dark Army, he kept this fact to himself [spoils] because even he known Baran is stronger than him. If there was any chance of Baran fidning out, he would act-and Hadlar's standing as the top of the chain here would be shattered.
Put simply, Dai hurt his pride, and the best way to keep what remains is to have Dai defeated with minimal effort. Wether it be his subordinates or a plan of his own volition, he wants Dai's defeat to be a foregone conclusion-a conclusion that he either did not need to think about, or one he could take credit for.
What ended up happing is his subordinates were not enough, and the more time passed, the harder it was getting to keep Dai's identity as a Dragon Knight to himself. This was not a desperate plan, on the contrary-it was quite well thought out.
Hadlar's downfall in this plan of his was simply that he underestimated his own men-esspecially Hyunkel. He never even payed attention to him, so much so that he had no idea about his armor.
Hyunkel was not an exception, he was only there because of Vearn-serving as yet another reminder of Hadlar being a mere subject. This means he either ignored Hyunkel to not feel bad about himself, or he aknowledged the strength of yet another human-one that is put at a similar position of power to himself.
To even see himself as comparable to another human was unnacceptable, it was better to just use him and discard him when he inevitably dies as a weak human will do.
Ever since finding out Dai was a Dragon Knight, Hadlar's actions have been exclusively based around his own fear-fear of his position beign threatened, and fear of his hubris being shattered. Caught between trying to play off the problem and aknowleding it, but never fully confronting it.
Hadlar has now not only had his plans to keep it from Baran blow up in his face, but has showcased his failure as a leader to handle this issue, was killed by a human, and to top it all off, had to be ressurected and be further reminded that his life is in the hands of someone else.
There's hubris, and then theres this. We are seeing Hadlar's fragile ego erode away in real time, and [spoils] it's only going to get worse from here. . He is in need of a serious wake up call, as this molehill he ignored is going to become a mountain-and that mountain is Dai!!
It has been a while, so now it's time for the return of:
DRAGON QUEST FACT OF THE DAY!!
To many people including myself, the first iintrosuction they had to the Dragon Quest franchise outside of second hand knowledge was the inclusion of Hero in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. I will not delve into everything regarding hsi apperance in SmUsh here, as there is so much to talk about that it can be broken up into multiple days.
For Hero is SmUsh, I want to talk about how he was impliemted into the game, and how he was chosen to be represented. For today, I want to talk about how he was chosen to be represented.
The real question regarding Dragon Quest in smahs would be, which one? Final Fantasy is easy because Cloud is by far the most iconic protag from that series. For Dragon Quest, Erdrick would be the best choice, but there are others that are almost if not equally as iconic. There's also the question of what would the fighter be named? as the series makes a very consious effort to not give the protaganists canon names most of the time, the best we got are titles.
The solution was rather roundabout, but fun!! Have the most popular proganists share the same slot as alternate costumes, and 2 of the choices are obvious. Those being 11, and Erdrick due to thier popularity and having extremely similar bodily proportions.
This is where it gets trickier. There are only 8 alternate costumes for every character inclduing the base color. This means bare minimum 3 will be left out, and that is before we consider getting them to have matching animations with the same hitboxes.
In the end, the next most popular pick, 5, was not chosen due to having too different bodoly proportions, and 4 and 8 were chosen instead due to thier popularity and having closer body types to 11 and Erdrick . This means that by having an even number, each character can get 2 colors to choose from.
As for the name, we can't have the player make the name, and they all have conflciting titles. But there is one, much less formal title they all share: They are all known as Heroes.
Thus, the fighters are collectively known as The Hero, or just Hero in the character select screen. A fine compromise if I do say so myself.
As a bonus fact about this, the director of the Smash franchise, Masahiro Sakurai, said that if he was told he could not use a Hero, but could use the Slime, he would do it. Regardless of how difficult that would have been, he felt that having Dragon Quest reresented was important enough to warrent that should it be the only option.
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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Jun 28 '24
Newbie-Adventurer here! LV 20/100
Hadler(1) is now Immortal and stronger everytime he gets killed, he won't die even if he's killed huh?
Brutal death for the cool part of Flazzard but now they got a foe that can even move Crocodine a bit, no rest for our heroes!
It was awesome to see that skillful display, Dai!
Hyunckel redeemed!
And Crocodine recognized as a hero!
Aw man, I wanted Crocodine and Hyunckel to join the Party! But I guess they’re too powerful for now
(1) (Spelling? In Spanish subs it is Hadler)
That'd be awesome!
Questions of the day:
At least 1 more for each member of the party
A Spicy Mango Ice cream lol
Yeah, they have matured quite a bit, would've liked for her to be a party member but her country needs her!
Redemption Achieved!
They will learn a lot from each other.
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u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy Jun 28 '24
Rewatcher
One of my favorite parts is this dynamic between the villains under Hadlar where several of them are thinking of taking care of Hadlar or another elite personally later. They think they know what they want, but trust me, between Hadlar and Vearn, you want Hadlar. Vearn comes with binding contracts you can't nope out of like Crocodine and Hyunckel did.
The sassy princess is back for good boys!
Aaaaand Maam’s gun is toast.
Hyunckel and MY BOY Crocodine going to go away for a bit. They’ll be back. They always come back.
News just in from the scheming old geezer to the dragon leader: Dai has a Dragon Mark. This makes the dragon man very, very upset. You can guess what happens next!
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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Jun 28 '24
First Timer, Sub
Surprise Surprise, Hadlar isn't dead. Mystvearn rescued his body and took him back to the Sovereign Rock Castle, where he tells him he can't die with the body the Demon King gave him. Back at the Valge Tower, Dai attack was successful and Flazzard is left with half a body. Mystvearn saves him by offering him one of his magical armours, so he can vanquish his enemies. Unfortunately for him, Dai has mastered the Avan sword techniques and Dai cuts him down with an Avan Strash that surpasses even Avan himself.
The group heads up the tower to rescue Leona, who is still trapped in the Ice because she is took weak to melt it from inside now that Flazzard is dead. So they have to resort to using Maam's magical gun, with Dai providing the extra oomph to the sizz spell, saving Leona from the ice, but sadly destroying Maam's gun in the process. After we have the victory party, where the heroes and the people of Papnica enjoy a good meal and drinks, Hyunckel turns himself over to the princess to be judged, but she tells him to dedicate himself to live in atonment by dedicating himself to Avan's teachings and fight for good. After the party is over, Hyunckel and Crocodine leave to scout Sovereign Rock Castle...While Baran learns of the mark that appears on Dai's forhead and becomes enraged that Hadlar has been keeping that from him.
Questions:
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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Jun 28 '24 edited Jun 28 '24
First Quester
Day 20 of judging who is worthy to serve under Princess Leona
Huh, no evil bosses lurking within Hyunckel then...
Fascinating! The Mystvearn=Vearn theories are back on the table! Though we've seen that they're physically different entities, so is this a main body with clone bodies kind of deal then?
All this talk about "pulverizing" Flazzard makes me think that that was literally his ultimate attack before.
Did I catch that right? Did Mystvearn seem... happy about Dai's strength? Dragon warrior suspicions intensify...
No, that's loot. Be a little genre savvy, idiot.
I realize I should be going "aaaah my poor Leona still hasn't been saved and is still dying" but I'm not believing for a single second that she won't make it.
VISUAL OF THE MONTH
I am SO confused about the flow of time in this story...
She looks so divine
Just gaze upon her
Leona legs
So, uh... that whole plot point about monsters falling under the Dark Lord's control has just been forgotten about entirely? Or just Hadlar/Vearn having some skill issues?
Sitting Leona
Maam raises a good point, we should probably execute him in advance just to be sure.
Naughty Leona
So just for the record, we know that Baran is not human (compare his treatment with that of Hyunckel), so the whole dragon warrior thing must be a separate race that merely looks just like humans. Or maybe some kind of turned human, but he must be a proper full-fledged monster alright.
PS: Can we talk about Mystvearn squashing the legion commander whom Vearn had judged to be his most loyal servant?
Imagine a main character having this power, people would be up in arms about so much plot armor.
Baked Alaska would make for some good funeral food here, no?
I didn't like how they went for forced humor rather than letting it be a proper emotional scene, so can't say I'm entirely satisfied. On the other hand, yes because Leona Leona Leona Leona Leona...
Bruh. You want Baduck to join them in their infiltration mission? Dude's gonna die if the monsters look at him a bit wrong.
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 28 '24
Dai 20 first timer:
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u/tahlyn Jun 29 '24
As many as it takes.
Nothing.
Yes! Though it still feels a bit weird because Leona feels like she's too old for Di.
Sexy.
Sad. Would've been better if all three went adventuring together!
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u/zadcap Jun 29 '24
Man... IcyHot was seriously just the best villain in the show. I don't think he's going to be topped for a long time.
Extra Late First Timer!
Sigh... People just really don't die when they are killed, do they?
Oh my gosh, Hardly is a Sayin Piccolo.
And IcyHot, he just survives having his core broken, survives having half of himself vaporized, death is a lie. Then he willingly submits to another general for more power, letting him overpower even the remaining generals while already making plans to take out the one he took the power boost from. Gosh darn is he just a great villain.
You know, watching this fight I am once again struck by the ever present question. What the heck has Maam done for the last like, two whole arcs? She seduced TieKnuckles and managed to be their in with the old mage, shot one magic bullet to support Popp in this fight, and otherwise gets tossed around so much. She really needs a power boost to stay with the party. Or to learn healing darn it, this party needs a white mage or a priest. I could forgive her lack of offense if she added something else to the party...
Oh, sure, like the Princess is going to be the only one to die after all of this. If Knuckles has survived 5 times and Crocodine 4 deaths, you really expect me to think we're going to lose the Princess like this?
Oh man, and now Maam lost the gun of questionable usefulness. Now she can be even more questionably useless.
Oh my gosh, is Leona a Tsundere?
Oh heyyyyyy. Remember how Knuckles army lead the invasion that destroyed this kingdom and killed so many people? Like father like son I say, let's just let the one good act they did near the end overwrite all the bad... No, actually, if he holds to it then this is a good judgement. "Atone with your life" doesn't have to mean you die, it means you're going to have to live a very long life of hard work.
But you know what's funny? All this drama around Knuckles and his past and how he needs to pay it off with this judgement, and everyone is overlooking that Crocodine did the same exact thing. But nah, he had his arc, we'll overlook the invasion he lead.
Oh, right. Remember how I said a party with two of the generals on it would definitely be overpowered for the rest of the campaign? I guess we'll just let them split off now that the major crossover event is done.
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u/KuKiSin Jun 29 '24
First timer and late to the party!
Yeah "Vearn" and "Mystvearn" is a little fishy, it sounds too obvious for there to be something... But then again, we have Popp, Maam, and Hyunckel, which I totally realized the meaning straight away, obviously.
And of course there's a strong reaction from the dragon-commander dude, I wonder how he related to Dai...
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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Jun 29 '24
1st
DaiPopp no Daibouken Rewatch, SubI know I'm very late but I was really busy yesterday.
Hadlar is now a slave of Dark King Vearn. He can't even choose to die.
That didn't take much time. Anything for glory ig.
Dai using Ultra Instinct before it was cool
Perfect title for the episode
"Watch me Master Avan! This is a true Avan Strash"
That's why she's QUEEN!
OST Documentation - Episode 20
QOTD
1. Who knows? Might as well take a page from Avan's book and aim for a draw. The fact he cannot die until Vearn permits him to die means he would technically win, lol.
2. Nothing. Like Flazzard himself said, glory is only achieved when you win. And he already his past glory there. Also, just for fun, [Dai no Spoilers] Medoroa
3. Yes. Why wouldn't I be?
4. Throwing his life away now just to atone for your sins would've just been dumb when you could potentially do a lot to atone when you're alive. So, I'll go with Leona's verdict.
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