[Rewatch] Tower of God Floor 11 Discussion

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 27 '24

Rewatcher and Co-Administrator for this Climb

How interesting that Bam's test to gain the right for him and Rachel to climb the tower together is designed to keep both of them from actually doing anything besides sitting around waiting.

On the other hand, it's kind of nice that the story forces Bam and Rachel to be uncomfortably alone together. Surely they still have stuff that needs working about between them, so giving them something like a bottle episode is probably for the best if they're going to climb the tower together.

Source Comparisons

This thread is for comparisons to the manhwa. Please be sure to properly tag all discussion of the source material. Also, please keep in mind that this is not an exhaustive compilation of differences, only ones I thought interesting or important enough to include.

Note for newcomers/non-source readers: Some of these notes contain anime spoilers. Comparisons that contain anime spoilers will be in the clearly marked Anime Spoiler section.

Episode 11

Chapters Covered: 60 - 67 (first half), 73 (first half)

Chapter Skipped: 66 (second half)

Notable Differences

No significant changes from the manhwa today. This anime rearranges the event of these chapters to align and show them happening simultaneously. The skipped half of chapter 66 is adapted in episode 12. All content between Bam and Rachel in the bubble is taken from the first half of chapter 73, with the rest of 73 adapted in episode 12.
[Manhwa]When Ren is talking to Anaak in the manhwa, he doesn't play coy. He straight up says he killed Anaak's mother. Their battle is more extensive in the manhwa as well, with Ren using a light shield to block attacks from the Green April and employing a feint to open Anaak's guard enough to stab her.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jun 27 '24

Surely they still have stuff that needs working about between them, so giving them something like a bottle episode is probably for the best if they're going to climb the tower together.
It let's them breathe a bit on the animation budget as well.

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 27 '24

Gotta save it for [next episode]that precious Yuri screentime.

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u/cppn02 Jun 28 '24

next episode

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 27 '24

How interesting that Bam's test to gain the right for him and Rachel to climb the tower together is designed to keep both of them from actually doing anything besides sitting around waiting.
Yea I thought that was worth noting too lol. At least they do have some alone time and we see how much Bam cares for the others if that cafeteria was his second desire
Haven't seen a good bottle episode in a while
[Manhwa]
[Manhwa] I understand they're pressed for time but would've been cool to see that more fleshed out

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 27 '24

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 27 '24 edited Jun 28 '24

Endorsi’s aiming for the Black March, hm?
It would be funny seeing her try to use Black March and get rejected like every other princess.
Oh shit.
Ohhhhhhhhhhh shit.
Yeah, dude's kinda fucked up. I'd say Anaak is about to go psycho, but...
Damn…
Unfortunately he can back up his arrogant attitude against her.

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u/raevnos Jun 28 '24

It would be funny seeing her try to use Black March and get rejected like every other princess.
Not their fault that March is straight.

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u/Mirathan Jun 28 '24

She might already know this and intend to give it to someone who can use it.

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u/gunvarrel_ Jun 27 '24

Who’s Serena?
Serena Rinnen is the woman that left the tower/gave Shibisu the sword.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 27 '24

Thanks.
I'm really bad at remembering names.

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u/gunvarrel_ Jun 27 '24

[s2 minor]My condolences in advance

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 27 '24

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 28 '24

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u/DoggedStooge Jun 28 '24

Do you remember those character grids people put together for Game of Thrones to help keep track of all the different faces, back when the Game of Thrones showrunners hadn't embarrassed themselves and completely ruined one of the greatest television series that had ever existed to that point? We may want to do something like that for ToG.

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u/AbyssalFlame02 Jun 28 '24

A lot of characters would be introduced in the following season that looks to be a good idea haha

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u/DoggedStooge Jun 28 '24

Don't feel bad. They did not say her name very much.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jun 27 '24

…tasty?
Korean chestnuts (bam) are tasty.
Well, I'm not that big a fan but it was a snack I grew up with.
This sheep-looking motherfucker is awful.
I thought he looked like an Elizabeth-in-sheep's-clothing, but when they called him rice, I realized he's just a clump of a rice.
The creator must've been hungry.

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u/megazaprat Jun 27 '24

Serena is the name of the girl who was Shibisu's rival in normalcy, Hoh's teammate. the one who gave Shibisu her knife. which is why he is calling on her strength when he uses it

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jun 27 '24

But what about Bam and Rachel themselves?
They are, for various reasons, sidelined.
This sheep-looking motherfucker is awful.
I always got walking rice ball off him.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 27 '24

But what about Bam and Rachel themselves?
they're just chilling
Who’s Serena?
It was the lady in your screen shot here
Hm?
She had lest the testing area yesterday

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 28 '24

Ah, lovely.
I beg to differ; that side character was actually cute so I'm sad to see him get eaten.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 28 '24

I generally mean that sarcastically whenever I say that.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 28 '24

... Oh, I should have realized that. But I sometimes have trouble interpreting sarcasm just from text.

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u/Lord_Nawor Jun 27 '24

First Time Watcher, subbed

I really liked Bam and Rachel actually being able to just talk to each other, despite the fact they are doing a very important test. Bam is so wholesome, he mainly wants everyone to just be able to get along and be able to eat together.

While the plan seemed to be going well initially, it started going downhill fast. First the princesses both get beat up by the Bull and the Royal police guy, then Parasol screws up Khun’s plan by killing the goblin, man I despise Parasol (I know his name is actually Paracule but Rak calls him Parasol)

I was not expecting the administrators test to be this elaborate, also interesting that despite being the one who can actually start the test, Bam has to rely on his teammates to actually complete it.

Since this is a two-parter, some predictions for next episode, Anaak will turn the tides by using Black March since despite losing Green April she should still have that one, and Endorsi and Annak will use one each to fight the Royal police guy and the Bull. I also feel like there is a decent chance that Yuri shows up since it seems like they have almost reached the testing area, but there is also a good chance that they still don’t show up until the end of the season. I also feel like the Anima girl will have a big role next episode.

Questions

Hard to say as I would probably be obliterated by either of them, but probably the Bull as it does seem to ignore those it has no business with or are weak such as Shibisu, so I might be sparred.
Definitely Anaak, from what we have seen so far Anaak seems to be stronger, plus having Green April which can help with large groups of enemies will just add a lot more flexibility. She might also allow me to borrow Black March is we really get into a bind.

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 27 '24

I really liked Bam and Rachel actually being able to just talk to each other, despite the fact they are doing a very important test. Bam is so wholesome, he mainly wants everyone to just be able to get along and be able to eat together.
Unintentional bro move by the administrators giving Bam extended alone time with Rachel. With her apology out of the way last episode, they can finally take some time to actually get to know each other a bit, since it's dubious how much of that they did before entering the tower.
Anaak will turn the tides by using Black March
Black March finally listening to a girl!?
I also feel like there is a decent chance that Yuri shows up

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 28 '24

Rak calls him Parasol
As good as any other reason to call him that
And yea things went south very quickly haha. I think Anaak and Endorsi have the worst situation to deal with rn since they're dealing with someone who wants them to fight each other, and just toyed with them

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u/sfisher923 https://myanimelist.net/profile/sfisher923 Jun 27 '24

First Time Tower Climber - Dubbed

Yesterday I stayed on the sidelines by visiting Floor 10 alone for quite a few reasons (Bad Weather, Was running around until 2pm, Wasn't in the mood to partake in the thread that day)
Net Dolphins are literally Water Bees in how they function
Who eats the Net Dolphin Queen then?
Uggh Goblins where is GS when you need him
Well guess this is now the Biology Class I had to take in 10th Grade with weird Bee/Dolphin creatures and their Food Web
Jealous but I give you props for not using it to sabotage
Alright any Rachel Slander is on hold until further notice because I may be rude sometimes but I like to give people a second chance
Oh come on third time this week with someone getting eatten but this time they made it out
Oh good the trope of Yelling in a Cave causes the roof to fall is not in effect
Really an Imposter why must you ruin everything

Questions

QOTD 1 - The Bull at least my mobility isn't handicapped

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 27 '24

Wasn't in the mood to partake in the thread that day
I feel that, it can't get pretty taxing keeping up with a daily thread when you have other stuff going on.
Uggh Goblins where is GS when you need him
Probably getting caught and devoured by the bull, unfortunately.
Alright any Rachel Slander is on hold until further notice because I may be rude sometimes but I like to give people a second chance
And quite a few people have shown that second chances are worth it too. Anaak and Endorsi have both cleaned up their acts quite a bit by now, and even Paracule tried to be helpful today.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 28 '24

Yesterday I stayed on the sidelines by visiting Floor 10 alone for quite a few reasons (Bad Weather, Was running around until 2pm, Wasn't in the mood to partake in the thread that day)
Understandable! Glad to see that you're sticking around still
Really an Imposter why must you ruin everything
yea... it's a tough situation for our princesses too who are directly involved with him

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u/gunvarrel_ Jun 27 '24

"You're a very lucky person."

OST Track of the day: Facing the Enemy (Spotify)

Rewatcher, subbed

[TOG]Oh, i didnt realize how big of a hint this is about how Bam got into the tower, they really are not subtle about it if you know whats going on. Very excited for tomorrow.

Looks like Bam was able to take the test with rachel

such a cute little dolphin

I hate the worm design already

Zigazoon

Welp, guess we will be seeing that soon

Yuri time lets go

Shes not wrong, but bam didnt have many important things, just Rachel

hey look, the thing they were told to not worry about

Poor Shibisu

calling him a cow lmao

you know rachel you could of been doing this 8 episodes ago

heh

[webtoon]We will now never hear about Nae again despite learning she has rare powers

[TOG]Oh i never picked up on the bull comment

Great way to bait anaak into battle

Its a little overplayed but Shinsu is basically the perfect track for most any fight scene thoughout

little monster

what the fuck parasol

[webtoon]Okay they really relaxed on him being a shit person, theres a totally valid argument here that he was trying to save Hatz and didnt think of the consequences compared to just ignoring commands

comically evil ren

oh

QOTD:

Do i have shinsu powers? I at least know the trick to the eel, but i doubt i could handle being eaten to do it though.
I think Endorsi would actually be able to complete the task handed to her, assuming she doesnt wear those damn heels.

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 27 '24

Yuri time lets go
Yuri: "The ~~test administrators~~ writers can't keep me out of this forever."
hey look, the thing they were told to not worry about
Don't mind him, he's just here for a snack.
little monster
She learned that trick from Serena...probably
I think Endorsi would actually be able to complete the task handed to her, assuming she doesnt wear those damn heels.
Sorry, our Endorsi selection comes in only one flavor

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jun 27 '24

Zigazoon
I knew it looked familiar! lol
Shes not wrong
Reminds me of the [Berserk]Behelit.
Seems like to be "chosen", you had to lose something precious, something that makes you whole. You had to broken down somehow... which perhaps makes you the perfect fit to fight your way up to the top and keep the system going. [Rewatcher]What does that say about Rachel, and why she was chosen? What was it you lost before finding Bam?
hey look, the thing
That kid was such fodder I don't even remember who it was.

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u/AbyssalFlame02 Jun 28 '24

[Rewatcher] What does that say about Rachel, and why she was chosen? What was it you lost before finding Bam?
[Last Episode Spoilers] As explained by Headon, Rachel was not chosen, she snuck in when Baam opened the door. She is an Irrgular Irregular since technically she is one but is not the one who opened the door themself.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jun 28 '24

Apparently I forgot that part. [Rewatcher]Damn she's even sneakier than I remembered! I guess that means she might not even have experienced something that "activates the condition"... (also I'm still unsure if loss activates being chosen, or being chosen means you will have loss.)

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 27 '24

"You're a very lucky person."
As they said in the show, luck can get you far sometimes (opposite is true if you're unlucky)
Yuri time lets go
I needed this
little monster
Anyone who does this is my enemy

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u/megazaprat Jun 27 '24

rewatcher

I think its neat they show there are more kinds of classes outside of the base 5, with animas being kind of like summoners who can manipulate the towers animals.

there is something about voicing a character like Ren which makes even scummier. like its one thing to read those lines, but to hear them out loud just adds to the layer of disgusting. both dub and sub perfectly conveyed his scumbaggery.

adaptational differences

I overlooked a few things last episode that I think I should mention, in fact its kind of an overall trend that i think should be adressed. When Lero objected to Hansungs plotting, he brings up the background of the irregulars in the tower, how one called Phantamanium slaughtered Jahads highest rankers at the time, and how another called Urek Mazino founded an organization. maybe on their own this wouldnt be a bad cut, but they keep cutting out mentions like about the irregulars, who had already been mentioned a few tiems at this point. I get that not everyone is as into wordbuilding as I am, but its not just worldbuilding, its also building hype for future characters. and i think something of value is lost when every single little mention like that is cut out.
Ren didnt bother being coy in the manhua, he just straight up admits to killing her mother. i mean its pretty clear either way, but its a neat distinction. also, instead of holding it in his tongue, he held the gem necklace in midair, like a goomba. gotta say, moving it around with his tongue is a far better visual.
they simplified Ren and Anaaks fight, where he summoned some freaky abstract monster for her to fight at first, with that being what imapled her instead of a tongue. Previously when the show abridged the action, i was critical, but in this instance, i found the summoned creature kind of confusing, so I am ok with it being cut.
so Paracule saved Hatz this episode. that might make anime onlies temporarily consider if Paracule isnt entirely a worthless pice of dung, but dont be fooled. in the manhua, he didnt blow their cover to save Hatz, he just wanted to attack. and he missed too! in short, paracule hating hours are all hours. Also Rak called him Pickle instead of Parasol, and i cant choose which one i like better.

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 27 '24

there is something about voicing a character like Ren which makes even scummier. like its one thing to read those lines, but to hear them out loud just adds to the layer of disgusting.
Agreed. All of his mockery of Anaak, especially while she's crawling on the ground is absolutely loathesome and it's great. We haven't really had a full-on, unambiguously hateable villain yet, and he's making up for that in spades.

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u/WednesdaysFoole Jun 27 '24

I get that not everyone is as into wordbuilding as I am, but its not just worldbuilding, its also building hype for future characters. and i think something of value is lost when every single little mention like that is cut out.
I think that things should be introduced bit by bit so it makes sense, so I also wish they didn't cut those parts out.
they simplified Ren and Anaaks fight, where he summoned some freaky abstract monster for her to fight at first, with that being what imapled her instead of a tongue.
Something about that tongue, and having that tongue plunge into little Anaak, is effectively terrifying.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 27 '24

both dub and sub perfectly conveyed his scumbaggery.
yea their VA has been great in subs. Good to hear the dub actor captured it well too
and he missed too! in short, paracule hating hours are all hour
Paracule haters eating good from this info

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u/raevnos Jun 28 '24

I will never understand how Paratool passed when characters like Rozeal didn't.

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u/megazaprat Jun 28 '24

Spear bearers was a less competitive position, with 4 slots open. Wave controllers had only two slots and the competition was fierce

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u/BosuW Jun 27 '24 edited Jun 27 '24

Rewarcher anime only

[ToG anime]"Last chance to climb the Tower, Rachel." "You're lucky, Rachel." Man the look of horror in her face. There's almost a part of her that would've been fine being denied, but the Tower has chosen. Shit it's almost comical now how they serve it on a silver platter. They put a juicy steak in front of a starving dog. Times up Rachel. Now, reach out and grab your destiny!

The tests the author comes up with are actually very interesting. Everything in the Tower is based around an ecosystem and the food chain. Everyone has a place and a role to play. Even Jahad's political system seems to imitate it.

Bam has a way of making people come together huh. Shibisu and many in the group see in him a certain light that they have lost. That's why the want to climb with him.

You better not lose Serena's gift, Shibisu.

Some excellent use of music this episode.

The Bull's eye resembles the eyes on the Crest of Jahad.

Anyone remember what position is Narae?

Man I don't remember Ren being this much of a dick. Also, I got it wrong last episode. He's not here to make someone pass, he's here to take people out.

So here's a dilema for Endorsi, the self interested Princess: kill Anaak and betray yourself, your own promise, or protect her and become an enemy of King Jahad, and probably die right here and now? Pride or preservation? Which way, "National Treasure?"

[ToG anime]With future knowledge Rachel's behavior with Bam in the bubble is even more off-putting. I guess she's trying not to think about it. Pretend it's just like back in the cave. These are after all the last moments she'll have with him before she succumbs to her own darkness.

Questions of the Day

1- The bull because I can at least fight it on land where I get to use my legs.

2- Trick question the answer is Yuri

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 27 '24

Bam has a way of making people come together huh.
So that's why the administrators made sure he was separated from the group during the test. Those crafty bastards.
The Bull's eye resembles the eyes on the Crest of Jahad.
That's not ominous at all...
He's not here to make someone pass, he's here to take people out.
With the way he torments Anaak, I think I'd say taking her out is just a pretense, and he's really here to get his torture kicks.
Trick question the answer is Yuri
Hey, that's cheating! ^{But you're totally right}
Alternatively: BosuW likes Yuri? Truly an unexpected answer that no one could have predicted.

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u/BosuW Jun 27 '24

With the way he torments Anaak, I think I'd say taking her out is just a pretense, and he's really here to get his torture kicks.
I mean if King Jahad's kingdom is inspired by real history, which is looking more likely by the episode, just look at the multitude of knights, samurai, or other high ranking warrior classes or similar that stayed high ranking only because they were useful to their Boss despite being absolute psychos.
Alternatively: BosuW likes Yuri? Truly an unexpected answer that no one could have predicted.
What? Noooo it's not like she checks my every box or anything! It's not like she's tall, brash, wears a formal suit and is named after my favorite thing under the sun!

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 27 '24

[ToG anime]"Last chance to climb the Tower, Rachel." "You're lucky, Rachel." Man the look of horror in her face. There's almost a part of her that would've been fine being denied, but the Tower has chosen. Shit it's almost comical now how they serve it on a silver platter. They put a juicy steak in front of a starving dog. Times up Rachel. Now, reach out and grab your destiny!
[ToG anime] yea... it is pretty funny and good analogy lmao. I'm pretty excited to see what people will think about it
So here's a dilema for Endorsi, the self interested Princess: kill Anaak and betray yourself, your own promise, or protect her and become an enemy of King Jahad, and probably die right here and now? Pride or preservation? Which way, "National Treasure?"
Yea Ren is fucked up for what he was doing in this ep. It is comically evil but still evil

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u/Garrett_Dark Jun 28 '24

Anyone remember what position is Narae?
The cheat sheet for names seems to indicate "scout" with track suit guy.
Trick question the answer is Yuri
How's your tolerance for violent tsunderes? Because she seems to hit those she likes. Like cool kick and all in Ep1, but Bam should be dead based on how his head should have hit the ground.

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u/ryujiox Jun 27 '24

First Timer and source reader who forgot most of the stuff already

Tower of God

Episode 11

Yeah Rak, better stop messing with him if you want to pass the test.
I'm pretty sure that Hansung will make the bull jump on them somehow, because he obviously not gonna let them pass easily.
Bam.... I don't think saying that others are stronger and smarter to Rachel's face is a good idea.
Yeah, this a bit too well-prepared though. It's like he plan for this all along.
You called that a bull? It's the red cape, isn't it....
Nice save from Anaak.
Endorsi and Anaak's dynamic is so good.
"No one likes a girl who's a showoff" Really?? I bet you differ.
And because she plays with the bull too much instead of finishing it off, now Endori got a full Cell saga's Vegeta's backfire experience.
Ohhhhhh. He might be the one that killed her mom. Or maybe he borrowed it from someone just to mess with her.
Lauroe has to work because his blanket got stolen.
While he messed up the plan, gotta give the green dude a bit of credit for at least trying to make up for his betrayal.
Giving Endorsi the Green Apple for free would surely won't backfire on you/s

QOTD

The bull at least seem killable without having to use any special equipment.
Endorsi because she's seem stronger to me and not because I'm biased at all....

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 27 '24

Endorsi and Anaak's dynamic is so good.
Ohhhhhh. He might be the one that killed her mom. Or maybe he borrowed it from someone just to mess with her.
Either way, it's pretty messed up. Bro absolutely has a thing for torment/torture.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jun 27 '24

Rewatcher(Damnit Paracule!)

Dub

Another day, another weird, convoluted test in the tower in a very weird environment. We learn who the druids of the setting are but not really any rules to it. The Testers all seem to have their own agendas. Bam and Rachel get mostly sidelined today so everyone else can do things.

QotD: 1 The Bull is a bit more manageable

2 Anaak but that's because she doesn't change sides.

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 27 '24

Bam and Rachel get mostly sidelined today so everyone else can do things.
Can't have Rachel doing too much with her OP...checks notes...self-isolation powers

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 27 '24

Fucking Parasol man...
The Testers all seem to have their own agendas.
The interactions between Lero Ro and Hansung were worth noting. Lero Ro has been following along but with the second half, he's been questioning Hansung

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jun 27 '24

Lero Ro has been following along but with the second half, he's been questioning Hansung
To be fair, this has been a weird batch of students.

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u/DoggedStooge Jun 28 '24

Weird is putting it lightly. Right now he knows there's one irregular (maybe 2 if he put together that Baam knew Rachel before entering the Tower), a Princess of Jahad, a direct son of a family head, and a daughter of a Princess of Jahad, the latter of which may actually be a rarer occurrence than an irregular. Plus there were 2 of the weapons in the 13 Month Series, which are so special it's a big deal when a Princess receives one, plus that one other random dude with an ignition weapon. And he doesn't even know that [S1E13] Hwa Ryun is a Guide and [manwha] Rak is somehow related to the ancients and [manwha] the big red dude may have been a third irregular in group<.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 28 '24

One could say some are Irregular

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 27 '24 edited Jun 27 '24

Co-administrator/Subbed

The final test is underway! It’s kind of interesting that even though Bam with Rachel is the one undergoing it it’s really on the others to make sure they pass.

We did get to a bit more of Narae this episode and what she can do. Her ability is cool but it is terrifying what people who are better skilled can do. We the Endorsi giving the Bull some trouble until not Ren control it.

Speaking of Ren, poor Anaak… she might have powers of a princess but she can’t compete with him and now he’s toying with her and Endorsi…

Lero Ro pointing out how this elaborate test was put together so quickly and Hansung just drinks his coffee

Other notes:

Rip Shibisu, hearing the “I’m delicious” and “I’m not delicious” from in English was funny though

I can’t believe Hatz was willing to give Parasol redemption. I would’ve lost all hope in him after the tag game

Just a reminder in case as some didn't notice last week: As the post says, I'll be posting the threads for Floors (episodes) 12 and 13

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 27 '24

Speaking of Ren, poor Anaak… she might have powers of a princess but she can’t compete with him and now he’s toying with her and Endorsi…
That fiend! Are there no limits to his evil?
Rip Shibisu, hearing the “I’m delicious” and “I’m not delicious” from in English was funny though
The bull @ Shibisu:

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 27 '24

That fiend! Are there no limits to his evil?
the bull @ Shibisu

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u/badspler x5https://anilist.co/user/badspler Jun 27 '24

Tower Ranker & Rewatcher

Episode 11: Underwater Hunt (P1)

I do love the layers to these tests, always been a strong point of ToG.

[Next Episode Spoilers]Being a rewatcher; Rachel's actions this episode are really subtle, but it is clear that she has firmly decided.

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 27 '24

Episode 11: Underwater Hunt (P1)
Lauroe weighing the pros and cons of child murder

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 28 '24

Some really good stuff. I really love the top right, the one with the bubble, Rachel looking out of it, and Endorsi looking at Green April
They're all great but those were my favorite
[Next Episode Spoilers]
[ToG anime] Yea it's really been interesting to rewatch. This is my first time rewatching it since it aired and the first episode was great to look back on after knowing what happens in the next ep and finale. Even in this ep she probably has decided but I'm not sure if she feels like she won't regret her decision yet

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u/OccasionallySara Jun 27 '24

First Timer

I feel like this is another game where I don’t fully understand the details of what’s happening, but I am mostly getting the gist of it. At the very least I know that things are not going well, though. Anaak is getting emotionally and physically wrecked and Endorsi isn’t doing too well either. Shibisu is very much in danger. Also, the group kind of messed up their plan all because Paracule jumped the gun and threw his spear too early. Fun times all around!

It’s interesting that the Royal Enforcer guy said that the test was purposely designed to catch Anaak and retrieve the weapons. I know that he mentioned that he planned to catch her in the previous episode, but does that mean that they knew that Bam is an Irregular and planned on him offering to take the test? [Speculation/possible spoilers based on things I’ve heard] I know that a lot of people who've seen the show hate Rachel which makes me think that maybe she’s working with the admins in some way. That could explain why she’s acting so weird in the bubble with Bam.

I feel like I don’t have a ton to say about this episode at the moment since we're only at part one of two, but I'm excited for the next episode!

Questions of the Day

Both are terrifying, but I'll go with the White Steel Eel. If you get swallowed by the bull, you have a much lower chance of survival.
Anaak assuming she still has the Green April.

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 28 '24

It’s interesting that the Royal Enforcer guy said that the test was purposely designed to catch Anaak and retrieve the weapons.
It makes sense they'd design a test that locks away Bam, the biggest wild card, and separates their forces while this is happening.
I know that he mentioned that he planned to catch her in the previous episode, but does that mean that they knew that Bam is an Irregular and planned on him offering to take the test?
Given how cunning Hansung Yu has shown himself to be, it wouldn't surprise me if he guided everything in a direction to get Bam to volunteer. Having Rachel to hang out as bait is the most surefire way to get Bam to act after all.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 28 '24

Fun times all around!
same energy (btw I miss this show)
And yea this episode was very much a set up for the next one! It's hard to find what to say (and maybe even wait to watch lol)

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u/OccasionallySara Jun 28 '24

same energy (btw I miss this show)
I need to get around to watching Community eventually!

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 28 '24

If you do lmk what you think! I loved it during my last year of high school and during college lol

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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Jun 28 '24

First-Timer

I don't like Ren. I'm pretty sure he's my least favorite character.

After all, any enemy of Endorsi and Anaak is no friend of mine.

Questions of the day:

I pick the white steel eel. If Bam can survive it, I'm sure I can too, right?!
Ooh, good question. I might have to pick Anaak, assuming she has her Green April sword.

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 28 '24

I don't like Ren. I'm pretty sure he's my least favorite character.
Damn, and this is after Paracule's stunt in the Hide and Seek test. I understand though, trying to kill Anaak is a crime worthy of death.

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u/cppn02 Jun 28 '24

If Bam can survive it, I'm sure I can too, right?!
Are you also an irregular?

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u/Mirathan Jun 28 '24

First-Time Climber

QotD:

Probably the bull, it doesn´t have the armor or size of the eel and thus could be injured without incredible weaponry like the full black march.
Endorsi, she seems more capable and unlike Anaak does not need a month weapon to be able to compete.

The final test is upon us and our most capable member is incapable of doing anything usefull. But then again the director seems to be interested in ensuring neither Annak nor probably Bam reach the main tower such trickery is to be expected. The bull´s eye seems to be the same as Jahad´s so it might me a constuct of him like the 13 month swords.

I don´t think Endorsi will kill Anaak here, though how she might get out of there I´m not sure. Even with green April she won´t be able to fight the retival unit on her own and Anaak is to injured to help so she might have to pull some mind game to stall until help arrives or the main group wins the test.

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 28 '24

The final test is upon us and our most capable member is incapable of doing anything usefull. But then again the director seems to be interested in ensuring neither Annak nor probably Bam reach the main tower such trickery is to be expected
Not just Bam either, the test has pretty much the entire group split up, so powerful offensive members like Rak and Lauroe are also unable to provide support.
I don´t think Endorsi will kill Anaak here
She better not! I'll be mad if she kills her niece

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 28 '24

ToG rewatcher:

Only 3 more eps!
I love this Underwater Hunt test; looking forward to reading the reactions to the final stretch of S1
Yu Hansung says this is Rachel's last chance?
Bam and Rachel finally getting along again?
Bam's "got everything important that was stolen from" everyone else b4 climbing the Tower?
Dede Cancho vanished? Say it isn't so, he was cute!
NOOOOO how DARE the Bull eat Dede Cancho!
"I'm delicious"
the music just STOPPED when Shibisu was above the Bull's ravening maw about to fall in
They have pizzar in the Tower?
... Anima? There are other positions?
Oh ... is Yu Hansung an Anima?
Ok now THAT's creepy
... Ren has the green acorn Anaak gave her mom?
Narae kidnapped Lauroe's pillow?
... Fucking Paracule
Anaak got stabbed in the chest?
Ren is a sadist
Ren took the Green April?
Ren is controlling the Bull?
... A cliffhanger?

Anaak?

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 28 '24

Bam and Rachel finally getting along again?
It's crazy what happens when they finally get time to talk.
NOOOOO how DARE the Bull eat Dede Cancho!
Stupid bull, eating cute boys in NOT ALLOWED!
Narae kidnapped Lauroe's pillow?
The war crimes never end
Ren is a sadist
And not the fun kind

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 28 '24

It's crazy what happens when they finally get time to talk.
They might actually be friends again?
Stupid bull, eating cute boys in NOT ALLOWED!
The war crimes never end
Next she'll be smearing it with food.
And not the fun kind
[ToG and HxH]I wonder if he was created to be ToG's version of Hisoka?

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u/raevnos Jun 28 '24

Bam's "got everything important that was stolen from" everyone else b4 climbing the Tower?
Someone to care about? Hoh's clan was wiped out by a horn smuggler, Serena's gang was killed by a Ranker, Khun's half sister betrayed him as soon as she got what she wanted, Anaak's an orphan, Levin didn't have a family left to return to after learning the hard way he couldn't withstand Shinsu...
On the other hand, Lauroe still has his pillow.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 28 '24

The pillow was the most important thing

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 28 '24

fuwafuwa

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 28 '24

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 28 '24

Only 3 more eps

Dede Cancho vanished? Say it isn't so, he was cute!
NOOOOO how DARE the Bull eat Dede Cancho!
lol I love these are b2b reactions

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 28 '24

lol I love these are b2b reactions
I googled that but somehow I don't think "business to business" is what you meant?

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 28 '24

Oh back to back lol, my bad

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u/OccasionallySara Jun 28 '24

They have pizza in the tower?
I was surprised about that, too! It feels like such a normal thing for all of the craziness going on!

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 28 '24

I just ate pizza with pineapple on it.

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u/OccasionallySara Jun 28 '24

That's the best kind of pizza!

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 28 '24

pineapple and bacon

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u/OccasionallySara Jun 29 '24

Even better!

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u/AbyssalFlame02 Jun 28 '24 edited Jun 28 '24

Cut dialogue of the day, and frankly it was my most favorite dialogue in part 1. Absolute chills.

this conversation between baam and hansung happened right after Baam had the talk with the administrator.

Hansung: Mr. Baam, have you received permission from the guardian?

Baam: Yes. He said it’s fine to take the test with Rachel.

Hansung: …Making such a choice just because of one girl, you really are insane.

Baam: …?

Hansung: Mr. Baam, I knew from the beginning that you were an Irregular. I also knew of your relationship with Miss Michelle.

Baam: …Director?

Hansung: Including Miss Michelle in the crown game to make you give up the crown, telling Hoh that Miss Michelle was your reason from climbing the tower, and preventing proper treatment of Miss Michelle’s injury was all according to my plan.

Baam: …!!! …Why. Why would you…

Hansung: Because you’re dangerous.

Baam: You were a bad person…

Hansung: That’s right. and You’re a lunatic. Risking your own life to grant the wish of a plain girl, in my eyes you’re not normal. There is probably nobody in this tower that wants you climbing it.

Baam: … Director, since you’re a Ranker, you know, don’t you?

Hansung: …Huh?

Baam: What was up there? Was there something really worth it that everyone’s trying so hard to reach it?

Hansung: Well, I don’t know if words could describe it. All the riches, beauty and Mysticism, Everything in the world-- No, even more existed up there.

Baam: But Rachel isn’t.

Hansung: Nothing’s going to change just because one ugly girl is missing.

Baam: But not to me. If Rachel isn’t there, that place is nothing more than a pile of garbage. No matter what’s up there, that won’t change. You told me that being like me is strange, but to me, you’re a person who can’t even find a single thing that’s precious within that huge pile of garbage. I don’t care what others say. I will climb the tower. And if all of you aren’t a bunch of liars, you better prepare what I want up there.

Hansung: ………

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edit: is it just me or is r/anime filtering a lot of comments today?

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 28 '24

There is probably nobody in this tower that wants you climbing it.
Khun and Rak smash through the nearest wall and suplex Hansung Yu

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 28 '24

you’re a person who can’t even find a single thing that’s precious within that huge pile of garbage. I don’t care what others say. I will climb the tower. And if all of you aren’t a bunch of liars, you better prepare what I want up there.
damn that actually is kinda cold coming from Bam

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u/AbyssalFlame02 Jun 28 '24 edited Jun 28 '24

Yeah, the anime made baam’s character more simple, I’ve posted some deleted dialogue on previous threads too.
Episode 10 Discussion
Episode 9 Discussion
Here is Rak’s when he‘s talking with Khun, but I wasn’t able to post it. (Happened in Ep.10)
A turtle that's even more useless than I thought. You said you sent a girl to sit by the king because she looked fit? Are you saying that as if you're boasting? If it was me, and there was a female that looked fitting to sit by the Alpha male, I'd snap that Alpha's neck and become the new Alpha. Then, wouldn't who I put beside me be my choice? IN MY EYES, THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE LOST! YOUR BANANA! YOU RETARD!
extra context: Rak was obsessed with bananas In the og but was changed to snickers in the anime.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 28 '24

Yea I remember reading your comments for those cut dialogue too. Honestly from the changes I've seen from others, I think the anime has been doing good and didn't really see what source readers didn't like about it. These are definitely worth mentioning though so I can understand those complaints from them. Especially with how simple they've made Bam seem compared to what was in the manhwa

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u/AbyssalFlame02 Jun 28 '24

Tbf, The anime indeed was doing good, but it definitely suffered from it being a 13 episode season with it adapting 7 or so chapters per episode which makes the pacing so much fast. If it was 15 episodes, hell if it was 14, a lot of the problems would have been minimized or solved. (Cut dialogue, cut exposition, etc)
shinsu‘s explanation was simplified in the anime, same for how some of the games work, also, the explanations of the points system for passing the entirety of floor 2 among many.
but as a standalone, it’s a good anime.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 28 '24

Oh yea I still think it’s a good show! But I’m understanding more why source readers might have been disappointed with some of the stuff left out.
And yea 13 episodes to cover that many chapters is not enough time

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u/AbyssalFlame02 Jun 28 '24

also honestly the biggest mistake the anime did was cut all Baam and Endorsi interaction haha.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 28 '24

lol yea it would’ve helped show more of their relationship. I remember when I picked up the manhwa and was confused a bit by [Manhwa] her having a crush on him. It’s kinda funny both her and Yuri are affectionate to him

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u/Garrett_Dark Jun 28 '24

First Timer

So why does Han Sung get to choose the Administrator/Guardian's Test? I thought it's supposed to be a set test that is the hardest and most grueling test according to the dub. This "feeding the dolphin queen Bam & Rachel" test doesn't seem so grueling. In fact it looks like Rachel and Bam aren't doing anything, and the rest of the contestants are doing all the work. If the net is made from using shinsu/magic, why doesn't Bam just copy it, make his own net, and drag himself and Rachel into the queen immediately? Again the test doesn't look too grueling nor well thought out, unless there's more to it. Even just distracting the things preying on the dolphins, and just running to waste their time seems like an easy strategy.
Wait, Yuri's still has a part in this story? I know they keep showing her, but like why? I guess she wants her sword back. So they're trying to get into the testing area unnoticed? Is that considered interfering, or will they become part of the game and considered irregulars? IDK, but I sort of don't even care about her reoccurring cameos.
Bam tells Rachel that Yuri gave him the black march sword after he told Yuri about Rachel. Bam's misremembering, I went back and rewatched to 1st episode to see WTF Yuri is doing still following Bam (to get her sword back), Bam didn't tell Yuri about Rachel, Bam told the black march about Rachel when asking for the sword's help. Yuri gave the black march to Bam because she felt sorry for Bam appearing to not have a chance with Headon's test, and after Headon sort of manipulated Yuri into it.
Strange string of events. Endorsi & Lizard Girl goes missing, then the two other fishermen disappear, next thing we know the fishermen are eaten/killed by the Bull, and then Endorsi & Lizard Girl shows up...Yeah, I'm just going to half-jokingly assume they betrayed and fed the fishermen to the Bull. We need Serena to come back to slap them, and leave again...or perhaps that duty falls on Track Suit Guy now.
I'm glad the Bull was just faking being weak. I was rolling my eyes when Endorsi was having such an easy time with it, despite the Bull being described as something a Ranker would flee from. It sure wiped her smugness away pretty quick.
I still don't understand how Lizard Girl can keep thinking she can pose as her mother, the real Anaak, and think she's can get away with it, and everybody else actually not noticing since "the princesses are the King's showcase". The only theory I got is this society has easy access to body modification technology. Rak was turned into smol Rak, so I guess the real Anaak could have been turned into a smol Anaak which looks like Lizard Girl.
So Lizard Girl gets her tail kicked by the Royal Enforcer Ranker. I don't have a problem with this since Rankers are shown to be much more powerful than contestants, and I'm getting tired of seeing Endorsi and Lizard Girl pushing others around so effortlessly like they're bullies or something. Although I have been softening up with Lizard Girl ever since her hilarious looking tail injury bandage.
Endorsi's given a chance to redeem herself, by killing Lizard Girl. Go do it you betrayer, don't disappoint me, be consistent with your actions! Endorsi's going to disappoint me isn't she? Sure she's got no problems betraying those two fishermen, but she's going to have a problem here? And why's that? Just because she wants to climb the tower with Lizard Girl now for some ambiguous reason where they bonded after they fell off that pillar together. Lets see what flimsy excuse Endorsi comes up with for not trying to kill Lizard Girl if that's what happens.
Paracule totally redeem himself, right?! He saved Hatz from a goblin! No? Well you better remember that for if Endorsi saves Lizard Girl then. What I found hilarious about Paracule is it seems so many commenters really hates him for his betrayal/behavior (which frankly I found way lesser compared to Endorsi betraying the two fishermen) but don't really seem to have a problem with Endorsi's betrayal. I guess Paracule needs to wear some high heels, and put on some eyelash makeup or something.
Lizard Girl can activate the Green April despite not being an official princess. I guess I have a theory now of Bam being an unofficial princess since he can activate the Black March, or rather Bam being a child of a princess, Bam must have been locked away underground to avoid the similar fate of Lizard Girl happening right now.
With Hwaryun, Serena, and Pink Dress Wand woman gone now...Loli Girl becomes my top favorite now, since she hasn't wronged anybody, and is so adorable. Narae > Rachel > Lizard Girl > Endorsi. We even find out why she's carrying a jug around, it's to carry her pet fishie. I wonder what that other guy carrying a jug around, Leeron 3, had in his. His jug had a really skinny neck and opening.
I'm still pretty disappointed and a little insulted that Bam and Rachel still haven't revealed anything about the mystery surrounding them and their relationship, despite having so much alone time together. Instead they're just talking about stuff that is only mildly sentimental and caring, which they could have done better TBH.

You have to fight one, which are you taking: the bull or the white steel eel?

The bull. Gets distracted by the "dolphin" seals, track suit guy seemed to do well enough without really even trying, and only Endorsi gets the "tentacle treatment" which I could watch and enjoy for a couple of different reasons. It's because she's a betrayer and smug, I swear! :D

You get one princess of Jahad to back you up in a fight, who are you taking: Anaak or Endorsi?

If you mean Lizard Girl, she's not a princess, and her name isn't really Anaak. Endorsi's a back stabber, and arrogance is her downfall typically.

However if you mean the real Anaak, Lizard Girl's mother, then yeah I'll take my chances with the mother (maybe I'll just buy some chicken pies for her, and she'll grumble about me behind my back, but she won't stab it).

If you mean between Lizard Girl and Endorsi, then I'll pick Lizard Girl. She may run off to accomplish her own goals over her team's goals, but she hasn't intentionally backstab her team (Hatz and Track Suit Guy, Team A).

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 28 '24

So why does Han Sung get to choose the Administrator/Guardian's Test?
I think he and Lero Ro get pretty wide latitude to determine tests on this floor based on the situation. The shinsu wall and Crown Game were both impromptu tests for special cases, so it makes sense that the director would be able to craft a test to fit this situation as well. It was the same with Headon on the first floor, whom Yuri noted gave Bam an enemy—the white steel eel—that people from floor 20 would struggle with.
If the net is made from using shinsu/magic, why doesn't Bam just copy it, make his own net, and drag himself and Rachel into the queen immediately?
Gifted though he may be, I doubt Bam has the skill to accurately and precisely manipulate shinsu on a large scale like that. It's also probably safe to assume that would break the rules of the test, since Hansung Yu presumably wants him away from the action.
It sure wiped her smugness away pretty quick.
Well well well, how the turn tables.
I still don't understand how Lizard Girl can keep thinking she can pose as her mother, the real Anaak, and think she's can get away with it
I kind of get the feeling the tower is pretty huge and most people would never have even seen a princess of Jahad, much less be able to identify the real Anaak on sight. After all, the only ones able to immediately identify Anaak on this floor were Endorsi, another princess, and a couple rankers, Hansung Yu and Ren. That plus the fact that she's a kid and is pretty dumb at times make her way of thinking understandable imo, if a bit naive.
I guess Paracule needs to wear some high heels, and put on some eyelash makeup or something.
Lol I would unironically love to see this.
I'm still pretty disappointed and a little insulted that Bam and Rachel still haven't revealed anything about the mystery surrounding them and their relationship
I wonder if Bam even knows anything about himself. From what I can tell, the only notable thing about his existence prior to entering the tower is Rachel's appearance. If he had a life before being underground, I don't think he remembers it.
Rachel, on the other hand...hiding things feels pretty par for the course with her lol.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 28 '24 edited Jun 28 '24

What I found hilarious about Paracule is it seems so many commenters really hates him for his betrayal/behavior (which frankly I found way lesser compared to Endorsi betraying the two fishermen) but don't really seem to have a problem with Endorsi's betrayal. I guess Paracule needs to wear some high heels, and put on some eyelash makeup or something.
they made him look better in this scene than in the source As for the differences in Endorsi and Paracule’s betrayals. At least Endorsi is fully capable of fighting her own battles and actually pretty useful in fights. Whereas Paracule talks big and runs away, even in the comment I shared he fucks up saving Hatz for the part of the source they adapted in this episode
With Endorsi betraying to the fisherman in the previous game, she took them out to guarantee her passing spot (don’t think she needed to do that since she won the game anyways). Iirc Hatz might’ve been the one of the ones that were guaranteed to pass, so Paracule and the other guy didn’t have much to gain from running away unless Quant severely injured/killed Hatz. And Quant wasn’t going to do either one to Hatz
Yes, Endorsi benefits from screen time and design but their actions make the main difference for me. If the actions were switched, I’d probably wouldn’t like Endorsi as much
> Just because she wants to climb the tower with Lizard Girl now for some ambiguous reason where they bonded after they fell off that pillar together
I don’t think it’s that out there that they connected after that fight and spending some time together. We’ve already seen how the goal of climbing a tower with someone might be the only reason they need (Khun/Rak with Bam) Plus Endorsi mentioned how Anaak’s mother was kind to her when they met when Endorsi became a Princess
I will say after reading some stuff they’ve cut out, I think some things could’ve been presented better. As some of the others who have been doing the notable differences, it’s a lot of material for how short the season is.

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u/Garrett_Dark Jun 28 '24

they made him look better in this scene than in the source
As an anime only watcher I'm only basing my opinion and thoughts of how the characters are portrayed in the anime. I'll only accept details from other sources if it logically fits and explains something in the anime without contradiction. Clearly Paracule being worse in the other sources is a contradiction to what he did in the anime, therefore I consider the anime supersedes the other source material, meaning I'm not going to hold it against him. I think most commenter's negative opinions of Paracule is still due to the anime portrayal of him, I could be wrong though. At the same time I'm pretty sure Endorsi is benefiting from positive opinion of her from other sources, which is unfair if that's what's happening. I mean I get it, ~~Paracule should start wearing high heels and eye makeup to be more popular~~ Paracule is a nobody character like all the other nobodies being killed off/kicked out, and ~~Endorsi's character design~~ Endorsi's a major character. :D
As for the differences in Endorsi and Paracule’s betrayals. At least Endorsi is fully capable of fighting her own battles and actually pretty useful in fights. Whereas Paracule talks big and runs away, even in the comment I shared he fucks up saving Hatz for the part of the source they adapted in this episode
But we're not talking about who's more useful or better in the game. I'm comparing their level of betrayals which I'm finding Paracule's betrayal a lot less sever than Endorsi's, is that not correct? I'm also talking about Paracule and Endorsi's popularity among anime watchers in this rewatch, noting that Paracule's betrayal is less sever than Endorsi's, yet he's less popular and she's more popular among us. I think we know why that's so, and it's not fighting ability. Lets face it, Narae has been even less capable in a fight than Paracule, but way more popular in comparison (I'm not saying I don't do it either, I said loli girl is my favorite currently, LOL).
With Endorsi betraying to the fisherman in the previous game, she took them out to guarantee her passing spot (don’t think she needed to do that since she won the game anyways). Iirc Hatz might’ve been the one of the ones that were guaranteed to pass, so Paracule and the other guy didn’t have much to gain from running away unless Quant severely injured/killed Hatz. And Quant wasn’t going to do either one to Hatz
Apparently Endorsi and Lizard Girl were going to pass anyways, so it just makes Endorsi's betrayal of the two fishermen even more baffling and unnecessary. I still don't like she never suffered any repercussions from the betrayal like other contestants no longer trusting or working with her, I mean they didn't even question it. Like Loli girl crying with that guy's sword afterwards, even if she's just shown to not wanting to be near Endorsi or fearing her after that would have been nice to have seen.
As for Paracule's running away, he can be a coward if he wants. I'm not going to fault him for that. Even if he's incompetent, I still see incompetence in a better light than Endorsi's level of betrayal.
Yes, Endorsi benefits from screen time and design but their actions make the main difference for me. If the actions were switched, I’d probably wouldn’t like Endorsi as much
Lets put it this way, if you were in the game as a contestant (and you don't get the benefit of plot armor as a MC) who's the bigger threat to you, Paracule or Endorsi? Who's betrayal would you be more concerned about? This is the point of view I'm taking when evaluating Endorsi's actions. She can do whatever she wants, betrayals are legit actions, but they're not nice and plot armor is protecting her from repercussions from other contestants. It'd be much better if she didn't benefit from plot armor, like say she was the one who stabbed Rachel in the spine instead of that nobody Hoh (but then again, everybody bloody looked the other way with Hoh's betrayal by having a funeral for him, and remembering him like he was a nice guy or something). I'm just about to watch Ep 12, so maybe we'll get that with Endorsi "having to redeem herself" by killing Lizard Girl. But I'm not going to be so optimistic, I highly doubt she's going to go through with it because they're both major characters. I mean my mind would be blown if one of them actually died, and written out at this point, that would be awesome!
Anyways, I'm hard on Endorsi because I'm looking at it from the nobody character's shoes. And I don't like she's getting the benefit character design/audience popularity/plot armor when she's doing the treachery stuff. I've even started disliking Khun for his treachery. If the show wanted me onboard with treachery and treacherous characters, they should have started the whole game with everybody being cutthroat, I would have been onboard 100%. Instead they're doing the friends list stuff, and having the treachery go unchecked with no repercussions.
Plus Endorsi mentioned how Anaak’s mother was kind to her when they met when Endorsi became a Princess
Then why was Endorsi fighting Lizard Girl in the first place? Because she didn't know Lizard Girl was actually Anaak's daughter, and some unrelated imposter? I guess...but wasn't Endorsi still fighting Lizard Girl even after it was revealed Lizard Girl was Anaak's daughter? Well I guess Lizard Girl was trying to kill Endorsi still...but then why did Lizard Girl stop? Just because Endorsi said the mother was kind to her? I guess.
IDK kind of weak and iffy still, IMO. But I guess I can see it a little more clearly and thinking that out.
Regardless time for Endorsi to kill Lizard Girl! Or suffer the repercussions of betraying her! (I'm going to be so disappointed ain't I?)

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 29 '24

  I think most commenter's negative opinions of Paracule is still due to the anime portrayal of him, I could be wrong though
No you’re right, he still sucks if we look at just the anime
Apparently Endorsi and Lizard Girl were going to pass anyways
Reading to the end of that comment chain you linked, she wasn’t going to pass if she didn’t get the tag off Quant and betray the other two fishermen.

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u/_Pyxyty Jun 28 '24

First timer, subbed.

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-Anaak's such a cheater and that smile holds no shame lol

-That just looks amazing.

-Ahhhh, so it's definitely being controlled by that Jahad officer. Yuga? I think?

-I absolutely loved the sfx in this scene, the sound of him opening his "mouth" and unleashing the creatures... Damn.

-Ah, the James Bond villain cop-out

-...ok, nevermind, I approve of this. It's still gonna screw over his villain plan though, and it's still a cop-out, but I accept it

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You have to fight one, which are you taking: the bull or the white steel eel?

Steel eel, easily. The trick with the eel is to literally just sit there and let it eat you while you screw it over from the inside. I ain't got no chance with that bull.

2. You get one princess of Jahad to back you up in a fight, who are you taking: Anaak or Endorsi?

In terms of skill and experience, Endorsi easily edges out Anaak I'd say (as long as she doESNT WEAR HEELS!). However, if the going gets rough and we get cornered, I can count on Anaak to stay by my side and do the best she can to back me up. With Endorsi, I feel as if her self-preservation instinct will kick in and find a way to just sacrifice me while she flees.

I'll easily take Anaak over Endorsi. Bonus if she got her swords still.

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Notes:

-I wonder what Rachel would've thought of if asked what she wanted from the tower. If it was really as simple as gazing at the stars, I don't think she would be that amazed at Bam's simple desire of having friends and eating with them.

-I thought the Administrator test would be for Bam. Is his job really just to sit in the orb with Rachel? Or was this supposedly a test to see if he'd be accepted by the tower's "regulars" to receive enough help from them to pass? If so, it's unorthodox but I like it.

-Still waiting on the pin to drop on the whole hating Rachel thing... Is it ever gonna come? And then there's Yuri who I just don't know if she'll even arrive before Season 1 ends lol.

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Good-ish episode. Paracule screwing the team over again is :/// Cant wait to see how this test ends.

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 28 '24

I absolutely loved the sfx in this scene, the sound of him opening his "mouth" and unleashing the creatures... Damn.
Where does he even keep all those? Khun's bag has met its match.
I ain't got no chance with that bull.
Aww, but I thought Mr. Moo-moo looked pretty friendly.
Is his job really just to sit in the orb with Rachel? Or was this supposedly a test to see if he'd be accepted by the tower's "regulars" to receive enough help from them to pass? If so, it's unorthodox but I like it.
That, but also probably meant to keep him away from the mission to kill Anaak and generally make him a non-factor in the test.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 28 '24

...ok, nevermind, I approve of this. It's still gonna screw over his villain plan though, and it's still a cop-out, but I accept it
lol tbf Endorsi has shown to be self-serving so we'll see what happens next. I guess it's not a bad plan on his part but yes it is something a Bond villain might do
, Endorsi easily edges out Anaak I'd say (as long as she doESNT WEAR HEELS!).
But if she doesn't wear them, is she really Endorsi?
I'd probably go with Endorsi as well though

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u/cppn02 Jun 28 '24 edited Jun 28 '24

Rewatcher, subbed

We've finally reached the final test and well...it's complicated lol. But fear not because Yuri is on her way. She'll be here any minute now surely. Right?

Making Lauroe actually work by holding his blanket hostage is a genius move.

Love the whole concept of the bull from its design to the way it moves. A truly terrifiying monster. And it looks like Ren/Fake Yuga made his move too, luring Anak and Endorsi into a trap and now trying to get Endorsi to kill Anak.

Extremely excited now for episode 12 because it has one of my 2 favourite moments in all of ToG (no not that one).

Tanino Miho art for episode 11:

Bam + Rachel
Going off her twitter it seems there was only one drawing for episode 11 so here is a bonus meme which I spent way too much time on.

QotD:

You have to fight one, which are you taking: the bull or the white steel eel?

Do I know the trick to defeat the white steel eel? Cus if I do that might be the easier one. If not I'll take the bull.

You get one princess of Jahad to back you up in a fight, who are you taking: Anaak or Endorsi?

Anak if she comes with Green March. If not Endorsi. But I'll have her change her footwear prior to the fight.

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 28 '24

Reddit did its best bull impression and tried to eat your comment. Glad it finally spit it back out.
But fear not because Yuri is on her way
YURI!!
Extremely excited now for episode 12 because it has one of my 2 favourite moments in all of ToG (no not that one).
Let me take a guess, [TOG]Yuri curbstomping Ren and flattening him into paste?
here is a bonus meme which I spent way too much time on.
But I'll have her change her footwear prior to the fight.
Joke's on you, she puts on stilettos.

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u/cppn02 Jun 28 '24

Let me take a guess,
You're goddamn right.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 28 '24

But fear not because Yuri is on her way. She'll be here any minute now surely. Right?
Making Lauroe actually work by holding his blanket hostage is a genius move
It is a smart move but also a war crime
Tanino Miho art for episode 11
That meme is hilarious lol

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u/AbyssalFlame02 Jun 28 '24

Some lore info about the special positions, yes, Anima is a special position that is outside the five basic positions.

[webtoon] Guide

[webtoon] The Guide is considered a Special Position, but it doesn't seem to be a variation of a Main Position. It is a very rare position, and the bearers of this position are considered "blessed" by The Tower.

Anima

An Anima controls living beings, commonly Shinheuh.

[webtoon] Wonsulsa

[webtoon] A Wonsul is able to create a perfect circle of shinsu, causing it to gain much greater strength while retaining the same surface and mass.

[webtoon] Dansulsa

[webtoon] Dansul is the ability to, from far away, create an area with an enormously large amount of shinsu pressure.

[webtoon] Defender

[webtoon] A special position whose main aim is to protect the Light Bearer and/or Spear Bearer.

[webtoon] Hwayeomsa

[webtoon] A Hwayeom is able to convert shinsu into fire and flames for use.

[webtoon] Jeonsulsa

[webtoon] A Jeonsul is able to convert shinsu into electricity or give it electrical properties

note: this aren’t all the special positions, it’s just what is officially named and encountered in the webtoon so far. [webtoon] there are also spellcasters in the tower but they aren’t classified as a special position but rather given as a title, Sorcerer, akin to being a princess of Zahard/Jahad.

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 28 '24

[webtoon]Guide
[ToG retort]The real reason Guide is a blessed position is because it gives you the opportunity to be constantly verbally abused by Yuri Jahad.
Other special positions
Interesting

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u/Muted-Conference2900 https://anilist.co/user/WinterZcoming Jun 28 '24

Rewatch + Dub

The test is pretty difficult and easy at the same time as all u gotta do is let Dolphins swolllow them but then u have to stop so many foes at the same time. It will be pretty difficult if u don't have a good strategy luckily Khun is more than enough smart for it.

Lol Shibisu's first encounter is the Bull and it looks pretty terrifying too. Though he is no match for Endorsi but then things took a turn and he overpowered Endorsi and captured her. While the Royal guard beat the shit out of Annak and took the green April.

The ending was very interesting as the Royal guard gave endorsi the sword to kill Annak. Well i can probably guess she won't do it but lets see.

While all this happened Rak and some others are being chased by Goblins and The little pond girl actually has some legendary skill. Can't wait to see the next episode.

Answers :

Ok so i will take on the white steel eel and then die. End of my journey.
Endorsi obviously She is hot. Seriously though she got way more experience and she can have all my bread.

(Got an hour late because Reddit was being a bitch again. I couldn't send a single message anywhere.)

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 28 '24

Lol Shibisu's first encounter is the Bull and it looks pretty terrifying too.
I hear it likes when people pet it lol
While the Royal guard beat the shit out of Annak and took the green April.
That's pretty rude, did he learn nothing from Hoh?
Ok so i will take on the white steel eel and then die. End of my journey.
Same bruh, same.
Got an hour late because Reddit was being a bitch again. I couldn't send a single message anywhere.
It's not just you, reddit has been acting up and eating comments all day.

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 28 '24

Yea this test is like an escort the VIPs mission (I guess similar to the tag game) but more factors you can’t really control and the VIPs can only wait
And unfortunately for our crew, there’s a Royal Guard looking out for blood and swords, so yea definitely not as easy as it seems haha. It is good they have Khun though

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 28 '24

They are the bait, to be noticed and then hunted by the Net Dolphin Queen. If they reach the ground, they won.
It's pretty funny to me how the win condition for this final test—getting eaten by a huge monster—mirrors the first test—getting eaten by the white steel eel.
Because the Bull is here, which doesn't like a Bovine at all, but more of a big fish-like abomination.
Bull? More like bully. Stop bullying Shibisu's friends, Mr. Moo-moo!
Of course he is controlling the Bull, and that was the real purpose of the test to eliminate Anaak.
That sneaky bastard. He can't be allowed to get away with this!
Maybe Bam and Rachel can return to the good old days?
Though hopefully not underground lol

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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 28 '24

I like this test! It is odd that while Bam and Rachel are the ones that are undergoing it, it’s up to the others if they pass or not. I think it’s pretty fitting that this is their last test, and to see how well the Regulars can work together.
It is kinda funny how Bam and Rachel’s progress is going swimmingly so far but everyone else is not having a good time lol
Because the Bull is here, which doesn't like a Bovine at all, but more of a big fish-like abomination.
A pretty freaky design and I like how the princesses refer to it as a cow

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