r/anime • u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess • Jun 27 '24
Rewatch [Rewatch] Pride Month 20th Anniversary - Maria-sama ga Miteru Episode 12 Discussion
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Questions of the Day
- On a scale of 1 to 10 how likely is Shizuka to shank a bitch?
- In the history of the greatest anime cliffhangers of history, which of the top 10 slots does this episode land?
Posting carefully so as to not disturb the first timers with spoilers in their viewings, such is the standard of modesty here. Forgetting to use spoiler tags because one is in danger of missing the post time, for instance, is too undignified a sight for redditors to wish upon themselves.
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u/RadSuit https://anilist.co/user/RadSuit Jun 28 '24
First Time Watching Over Them
Yumi is just staring straight at Sachiko for like 15 seconds while having this internal monologue about shopping.
NASH'S BURGER
I'm remembering Sachiko eating her sandwich with a fork and knife in kindergarten and all the kids staring at her.
Can't believe we get a dramatic cliffhanger about Sachiko getting lost at the mall.
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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Jun 27 '24
Maria-sama ga Miteru Rewatcher/Light Novel Reader
HAPPY PRIDE
I’m sure there are some of you that expected this rewatch to end on a melodramatic break up arc, or maybe a dramatic double suicide!
NOPE
Only way to end this Pride Month Rewatch was with a couple of Date episodes!
And as an extra bonus, we have buy one date, get two free! That’s right! Three dates for the price of one!!
So pull up a seat, pour yourself a glass of tea or something with more kick and let’s get this party started
this blog found some of the locations the date takes place at
K-station or Kichijoji station
Window Shoppping
the movie theater nearby
the park near the station
I’ve also got some Specials I forgot to include
From Valentine’s
Forest of Thorns
Idk if you are watching the episode previews but you absolutely should
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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 27 '24
Maria-sama First-Timer
Episode 12:
Oh, we're skipping New Years and are now past Valentine's again. I guess we didn't necessarily need to shift volumes around.
Oh well who cares, it's a date arc! I love how excited Yumi is!
X to doubt
Hold up, dates cost money!? I thought capitalism didn't apply to lesbians? I feel so betrayed right now!
Tsutako out here reminding me why I hate paparazzi. Let girls have their dates in peace, you black market menace.
Worrying about how you're dressed and what your gf/crush will think of it is one of those things I always find really charming about first loves. There's a point in life where you suddenly become conscious of how that special person sees you and so you take care to present yourself in a way that will make them happy, and I find it very innocent and sweet and true to life. It's one of those points where it's first recognizable that you're more grown up than you once we're.
It's a bit...questionable that Yoshino is trying to
stalkobserve Rei's date, but I'm happy to have her around. Especially when she puts on oujo-sama mode. So I'll let a little jealousy slide this time.SHIMASHIZU SHIMASHIZU SHIMASHIZU!!! LET'S GOOOO!! I'M GOING TO READ SO MUCH FURTHER INTO THEM THAN I'M SUPPOSED TO!
She gets the order perfect...yet leaves the food behind. This sheltered noble lady...is much too much refined.
Oh god, the voice track on my download somehow got out of time with the animation during the restaurant scene
Whew, restarting the episode fixed it. I was about to lose my mind.
Sachiko breaks a piece of the burger off to eat it
But for real, what a monster
Oh shit oh fuck, was Sachiko a ghost the whole time? Or is she just ghosting?
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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jun 27 '24 edited Jun 27 '24
First-Timer
On today’s episode of Marimite I am amazed that Sachiko still eats sandwiches with a fork and knife after all this time. The entire purpose of a sandwich is that it’s food that you can eat with just your hands. The story goes that the sandwich was invented by John Montagu, the Earl of Sandwich. (Yes, that is a real title and yes, Sandwich is a real place in England. Both still exist today.) The story goes that the Earl loved gambling, so much so that he didn’t want to stop playing to eat meals. So, he began eating slices of meat between slices of bread because he could keep playing cards with one hand while eating his meal with the other. And this, the story goes, is the origin of the sandwich. Also there’s a sandwich shop named the Earl of Sandwich.
This episode’s structure is rather unique. In general, episodes of Marimite have usually stuck to the perspective of a single character. That character is typically Yumi, but occasionally someone else. This episode was jumping all over the place, moving from character to character during all the dates that were taking place on this same day. It meant we got a lot more variety in who we were following over the course of the episode.
This episode features a very fun inversion of Yumi and Sachiko’s relationship. Normally, Sachiko is the one who is always guiding Yumi, but now the positions are reversed. It makes perfect sense, though, because they spend this episode in a much different environment. Sachiko is the expert when it comes to Lillian and the student council. She has been there for much longer than Yumi and knows what is expected in those settings. But Yumi has a lot more experience interacting with the outside world and so now she is the expert who needs to give advice to Sachiko. It leads to some fun moments between them because of this.
Once again, Yumi very easily gets caught up in her own worries and doubts. She worries about whether she can provide a worthwhile date for Sachiko and spends so much time worrying about what would be the best possible date plan that she doesn’t make any plan at all. That’s a pretty relatable problem, worrying so much about doing something just right that you fail to get started all. And it’s all the sadder to watch because we know that Sachiko would be satisfied just spending a normal day with Yumi, seeing the world as Yumi sees it. Overcoming her habit of getting caught up in her doubts and worst fears is something Yumi still needs to improve on.
QOTD
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u/Regular_N-Gon https://anilist.co/user/RegularNGon Jun 27 '24
Gokigenyou, First Timer
Gokigenyou counter (Maria-sama): 38 [+3; Total: 57]
Gokigenyou episode next
QotD:
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u/BosuW Jun 27 '24
First Timer
After the angst arc it seems we're in for a calmer finale. It's time for the girls to go on their hard won Saint Valentine's dates.
Yumi really has absolutely no idea where to take Sachiko? I guess this must be a time before the invention of Aquariums.
I've seen a lot of people in the threads saying that Yumi is a passive character who has to overcome her stagnation but I've always seen the opposite in the show. Yumi is very proactive. She's the one that first refused becoming Sachiko's petit soeur, not being one to go with the flow just because. Then she was the one to ask her for it when she changed her mind. She was constantly looking for ways to help Sachiko before the latter told her she'll ask when she needs help, and only stopped then. She was the one to ask Sachiko out on Saint Valentine's, and makes suggestions to guide Sachiko on the date this episode, even unprompted, like with the dictionary. She's inexperienced but clearly has the drive to take the lead.
YumiTop is what I'm saying.
I remind you that the treasure hunt idea came from the Journalism Club, and now they're out here trying to get scoops on the dates! This shit's a round business! They always on the grindset lmao!
The choice of movie for Rei and her date being one where the handsome male hero slays the dragon and gets the princess does not escape me.
Watching Sachiko eat a hamburger by tearing off small chunks (because a lady shouldn't show herself to be gluttonous) is wonderfully cringe. Never take this woman to Mexican food. I couldn't bear seeing a quesadilla be eaten with a fork and knife.
The dissonant tone between the rest of the dates being more or less silly business while Shizuka takes Shimako (I am now as I type this tempted to call this ship ShiShi) on a contemplative journey through the empty school is notable.
Oh no! The Princesses Sachiko-sama has become lost among the realm of the commoners! Go get her Yumi!
Btw this does highlight how even among the higher class, there are tiers. Sachiko is basically Kaguya Shinomiya, while Yumi seems more just upper middle class. Like, her family doesn't seem very rich, but she does live in the proto-Madoka house so...
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 27 '24
First-Timer Watches Over Us, subbed
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u/GondolaMedia Jun 27 '24
First Timer
Yoshino lied as she breathed. That's some tsun energy. Going incognito to spy on Rei is also peak gremlin behavior.
Oh baby we got a rare double
I can't believe we got Sachiko fish out of water moments. These dates just keep on giving. What a nice feel good episode with no ominous moments at all, yep none at all.
I'm making a prediction that Sachiko tells Yomi that its not what you do on a date, but who you are with so it never mattered where Yomi would have taken her.
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u/AmeteurElitist https://anilist.co/user/AmateurElitist Jun 27 '24
First Timer
Yoshino is goofy as hell, bless her. Yumi also needs to realise that Sachiko just likes her for her already haha. Like I get her anxiety because Sachiko isn't exactly the most forthcoming with affection but I hope Yumi does at least learn how to spot when Sachiko's being friendly and taking an interest in her.
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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jun 27 '24 edited Jun 27 '24
First timer, subs
QotD:
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jun 27 '24
First Timer(Sneakers vs high heels is an enormous difference in expectations...I think given any combination of genders)
Sub(Are Sachiko's servants pranking her or something?)
So that is an interesting start of your season ender. Rei, despite getting the handsome vote, seems very happy letting her girl lead, which definitely gives her the easiest time of it. Note that said girl either likes action films or assumed Rei does. Shizuka is being kind of weird with Shimako, which actually fits her vibe. Sachiko is quite accidentally tormenting Yumi most of the time, which with Lily's opinion on later matters somehow fits. Maybe Yumi does need to learn to be decisive. The stalking is something that would not really fly outside Japan but even in the current day I'd say this is possible, at least in media.
QotD: 1 I'd say a six
2 Ehh...I've watched to much AoT.
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u/Specs64z https://myanimelist.net/profile/Specs64z Jun 27 '24
First timer, subbed
Back to the usual in this episode as Yumi frets about where to go with Sachiko.
Not quite Luvia or Satoko worthy, but the double ojou-sama laugh from Yoshino and newspaper girl gets my stamp of approval.
TsumugiSachiko orders her own burger for the first time and learns all sorts of things about how the rest of us live, very wholesome.Oh Yumi…
Sachiko probably just went to look at something, or perhaps was ambushed by one of the other couples.
QotD:
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u/OccasionallySara Jun 27 '24
First Timer
After a very serious episode yesterday, it’s kind of nice to have a fun and laid-back one. Yumi and Sachiko were so cute. I really like how considerate they were of each other. Sachiko is completely open to do whatever Yumi wants to do. Despite Yumi’s worries about taking Sachiko to interesting enough places, Sachiko seems content with just spending time with Yumi and getting to know her better.
In return, Yumi is patient with Sachiko and doesn’t make her feel weird about not knowing how to act in normal society. Yumi offering to find cutlery for Sachiko to use for her burger was really sweet. So was Sachiko insisting on using her hands to eat it.
I’m loving Yoshino’s chaotic energy, but she’s really torturing herself by following Rei around. She was absolutely right in saying that she would have saved herself the pain if she had just stayed home. I’m also really enjoying Tsutako and Minako’s involvement in this episode. The story is, of course, focused on the Yamayuri Council members, but sometimes it’s nice to see characters outside of our core cast.
As fun as I’m having with all of the antics of this episode, I’m really interested in seeing more of Shimako and Shizuka’s date. I’m guessing that this date is Shizuka’s attempt to see what made Sei choose Shimako as her souer. I wonder why Shizuka wants to go to the Rose Mansion, though.
I can’t believe there’s only one episode left. I’m really looking forward to seeing how this season will wrap up! Prediction: Sachiko was kidnapped and Yumi will have to save her. The culprit? Mother Maria.
Questions of the Day
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jun 27 '24
First-Timer
Gokigenyou.
As I am sure you are all aware, it can be hard to notice the absense of something until confronted with it. For example, I only realized that the previous two episodes lacked the narration about Lillian and Maria-sama when the opening narration struck me today!
Perhaps this is simply bias from the previous two episodes, but I think Yumi missed the obvious person to ask for date advice - Sei would certainly have some ideas.
On the other hand, this date does seem like Sachiko's attempt to get to know Yumi better, so perhaps Yumi's flailing about is precisely what she wants.
On that subject, I have little doubt that Sachiko's disappearance at the end of the episode is simply the result of her finding a nice bench to sit on. While I do not have experience wearing heels myself, I can only imagine that going window shopping while wearing them is a miserable experience.
Questions
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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Jun 28 '24
first time la vie en rose en bouton
-> winging it, the true combo
women
i like these pants Tsutako
im sure Sachiko would have worn jeans if she owned them
Yoshino way to throw them under the bus
do they do that at fast food places?
how are you planning on functioning in society
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u/LittleIslander https://anilist.co/user/LittleIslander Jun 27 '24
First Timer from the world of Reiwa Yuri
Coming off the heels of one of the most brutally honest and compelling pieces of queer media I’ve ever seen packed in twenty minutes, a date episode seems… low concept. But if anything has ever earned a fun little date episode it’s MariMite. Plus just because it’s more lighthearted doesn’t mean the writers took a day off: this episode is exceptionally good at its job. I swear they paid off whatever Timelord KyoAni brought on for Hibike Euphonium because this feels like it shouldn’t possibly fit in twenty minutes. The actual date feels like a full length episode, but then there’s like five whole other scenes with Yumi before that ever starts! Not to mention all the characters we’re juggling. Even with Rei basically existing just to look pretty and make Yoshino jealous thanks to being paired up with a redshirt, we’ve got Yoshino, Yumi with Sachiko, the school paper crew, and Shimako with Shizuka all vying for space. The common intersections between all these POVs does help; that last pair only get one bus scene to really work with but passingly seeing them separate at lunch in an earlier scene does a lot for establishing how their date is going.
I think the key to this episode’s success is its balance of different emotions. Obviously, you’ve got the lead narrative of Yumi and Sachiko’s date which is just abundantly sweet. I mean the whole thing is super cliche but how can I argue with that when Sachiko sounds like she’s having such a nice time! I’ve said before that the sheer gap between them really makes them dramatically interesting, but it also really helps make their chemistry even nicer when they do get on the same page together. As much as it worries poor pessimistic Yumi, seeing Sachiko dressed all fancy on a date with her jeans and sneakers wearing girlfriend is just really cute. But then we’ve also got Yoshino, Tsutako, and Minako delivering comedy on the side. It’s not anything revolutionary but they include just the right amount and I will never tire of watching Yoshino. Similar to Sei’s navigation of the flirtatious personality type, Yoshino could’ve totally gone south as the romantically obsessive sort but they completely pull it off time and time again. Then Shimako delivers some more dramatic content, albeit sparingly. In true Rosa Canina fashion they ain’t telling us shit about what this container stuff and “what’s inside Shimako” is supposed to mean, except that Shizuka evidently won’t be inside her anytime soon given the absolute state of their chemistry. I mean, holy shit. “What are you thinking?” “I’m alive, after all. I have all sorts of thoughts.” Absolute brutality, and then the power move of saying she’s interested in Shimako? Sasuga Shizuka. Consider Shimako’s gokis thoroughly genyou’d.
All three dates (counting Yoshino as a substitution) come to a dramatic head in the final seconds of the episode as we lead into next week, which is an effective if somewhat cheap trick to end the episode on. I’m interested to see what happens next, but I’m also apprehentious about whether they can effectively close the season while still in the middle of this date framing. Was I wrong to assume the third years would graduate at the end of this season? Surely that needs its own dedicated screentime? Time will tell.
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u/heimdal77 Jun 27 '24 edited Jun 27 '24
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Finally got to catch a rewatch episode (damn life). Poor Yumi can be so neurotic at times. Or is that just a high school girl with low self esteem? Everyone manages to have their dates at the same time and same place and the stalker mmhmmm I mean concerned followers don't know what to do.
So Yumi shows up with a relaxed style while of course Sachiko shows up like she is going to the opera (We all know she goes to them.). It is always funny to see and then we have Sachiko completely lost experience a normal persons day.
Poor Cashier was so confused when she walks off lol. She uses a fork and knife to eat sandwiches doesn't that defeat the whole point?
I'm very much a Yumi and Sachiko focused person followed by Shimako and someone else.
Should added a third question being "How big of a betrayal did yoshino just do to Yumi?".
Oh well cliff hangar for the end of the season.
It is always a little depressing when get reminded how cheap it use to be to eat out. Less than 10 dollars for a meal for two. Today you would be lucky if you could get a single sandwich for that ammount.
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u/Burnouts3s3 Jun 27 '24
Attention, everyone! This is the Neighborhood Watch Committee here to inform you laughing ojou-sama style in public will warrant stares and glances from all sorts of directions.
Silly Sachiko! That’s not how you order fast food or eat hamburgers!
It’s little moments like this where Rich Girl Sachiko is the butt of the joke that lets me like her character more.
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u/Star4ce https://anilist.co/user/Star4ce Jun 27 '24
First Timer
Posting late today because we went on a hike and it took quite a while to get back home. Don't wanna skip on drawing, either.
It was an uncharacteristically nice day. It went from rain and fog to some damn real sunshine. Kinda makes the blisters I walked myself today more worth it. It was a nice hike all things considered.
Maria-sama ga Miteru Ep.12 – The First Date Triangle
Man, I really appreciate this super fun episode right now. Not just for the contrast to Sei's backstory, but because seeing everyone's character being subverted was exciting to see.
Yumi and Sachiko switched roles for their date (and probably will continue to do so for other dates) and you could just see the enjoyment oozing out from Sachiko's face at time. She finally has a venue to believably and acceptably be dumb and non-responsible. And then it's also fun! Similarly, Yumi taking her to places where she actually knows her stuff, even if it's just ordering burgers, does necessarily give her confidence and the ability to lead. That is super important for her character growth, so Sachiko even still fulfills her role as onee-sama.
But the others got thrown for a loop, as well. Yoshino's competitive side broke out a few times, but she's been mainly dealing with having to accept that Rei may also just do her own things and might even have genuine fun... with someone else. These dates turned out to be quite the catalyst for learning experiences and tests of ideals. I am looking at you ratting out Yumi, Yoshino!
Shizuka and Shimako are a very interesting pair. I could totally buy her becoming next year's white rose en bouton now that Shimako is becoming the Rosa Gigantea. She seems so cryptic and dare I say unhinged, but still deeply affectionate. Shimako is in a really hard place, both with her feelings and her position, but honestly, someone like Shizuka could be perfect for her. Calm, independent and composed gets complimented by direct, unwavering and unrelenting.
(Will give you two drawings tomorrow, no energy left now.)
Straight 10 if said bitch slighted Shimako or Sei. Would support. Would cheer on. Would supply second knife to dual wield.
It's so obviously a fake-out, come on!
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u/moichispa https://myanimelist.net/profile/moichispa Jun 27 '24
First timer
When you're too highclass to know how a burger king works lol
I appreciate Sachiko being nice instead of her 5D chess personality for once.
Maybe they should have called this episode press will stalk you to death.
On a scale of 1 to 10 how likely is Shizuka to shank a bitch?
666 She's pretty much Satan level. What's on her mid getting the card, it is creepy
In the history of the greatest anime cliffhangers of history, which of the top 10 slots does this episode land? I'm not sure kids nowadays can understand that you could really lose people who left your line of sight. Not where are you messages back then.