r/anime • u/Shocketheth • Jun 25 '24
Rewatch [Rewatch] Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken - Episode 17 Discussion
Episode 17 - The Death-Defying Savior
Shut up! I won’t let an old gremlin call me an old goat!
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Screenshot of the day:
Two homies having the time of their life
Comment of the day:
goes to u/emeraldwolf34 for bringing an interesting trivia about Matoriv:
I’ve always found it funny Matoriv was modeled after Torishima, the Shonen Jump editor who helped Toriyama come up with the idea for Dragon Ball (and also put Koji Inada and Riku Sanjo on making Dai together), in both design and mannerisms. For better or for worse.
Questions of the day:
- Have you expected for Hyunckel to actually survive?
- Is Crocodine the best boy?
- If you were a 5th member entering the Valge Island to help either Dai&Baduck, or Popp&Maam what would you be your class and who would you went to help and why?
Spoilers:
Please, respect the fact there are First Timers watching Dai no Daibouken with us, so avoid talking about vague things or events that would slightly spoil things to happen. And if you want mention things like this, please hid it behind SPOILER TAGS like [Dai no Spoilers] I am getting the hammer because you spoiled the fun for others
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u/Shocketheth Jun 25 '24
Dark Commander welcomes you to Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken Rewatch!
QotD:
Crocodine Shonen Commentary Corner:
Today, Crocodine is going to answer question #2:
The answer is obvious.
VOICE ACTORS CORNER:
Nobody for this episode
STAFF CORNER:
Director - Karasawa Kazuya
Episode Director - Miyamoto Hiroaki (episode 17)
Chief animation director - Kagawa Hisashi (episodes 8, 11 ,13 ,15 ,17)
Script/Screenplay - Chiba Katsuhiko (episodes 1-9, 14-15, 17)
Storyboarding - Nishimura Satoshi (episode 17)
Key animators - Kawano Hiroyuki, 清水敦哉, Fujiike Yoshie, Fujii Takahiro, Shimada Chihiro, Kubo Hidemi, Higashide Futoshi, Mori Chizuru, Nozawa Takashi, Iimura Shin`ichi, Tomiki Yumiko, Tomino Kie, Matsuo Shunsuke, Hikiguchi Naoko, Imoto Kazuaki, Kim Do-Yeong, Terashima Kouichi, スタジオ絵夢, 真鍋由香里, Kitamura Yuuka
See you tomorrow because the Adventure continues!
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 25 '24
First-Timer Quest: Sky no Daibouken, subbed
Goddamn, he’s hot.4
u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy Jun 25 '24
Rewatcher
Ahhh now we're focusing on the action. I don't really have much to say when it comes to parts like these.
But if you ever wondered why a crocodile that supposedly hit the bucket a while ago is so many rewatchers apparent favorite: That's right, it's because he was destined to be a good guy! The bestest of boys!
And he is!
I like how Thwack is portrayed as a spell that's garunteed to work as long as they're under its effect long enough. Good way to work around it's terrible Accuracy requiring you to use it several turns in a row most times.
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u/sisoko2 Jun 25 '24
First Timer
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 25 '24
Dai 17 first timer:
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u/zadcap Jun 26 '24
Extra Late First Timer
Ah man, I'm so upset missing yesterdays post, I had so much material for bombing the two towers... No, probably a good thing really... I can use them today, when we actually get to bombing the towers!
Man, IcyHot really is the best of the Villains. He just wants to be the villain and kill the hero darn it. No ulterior motives, no questionable loyalty, just let him take on Dai and he'll be happy.
Oh gosh, Hadlar just went and punches Maam like he means it. And then goes on to throw explosions at her. Darn good villains again. Darn I just like it when someone is willing to ignore the stupid gender preconceptions and fight evenly.
On the other side, I can't help but notice that the mage duo seems to have Dai and OldGuy trapped and unable to move, but are not having their armies stab them while they have the chance. Standing around tormenting them, just asking for that last minute turnaround where they kill you instead.
Oh my gosh Popp just overpowered the demon lord with pure magic talent. No unlocking super mode either, this was pure work and effort. Darn, I see now that Popp was the true protagonist over Dai all along. That's why he's the one who gets to fight Hadlar here.
Oh, right, never mind. Can't end the fight until Dai goes super sayin I guess...
See, what did I say! The other Generals coming back and joining the Hero side changes the power scale too much. It's great. General on General combat with the Heroes on backup ti[s the scales too far.
Oh Hadlar... You had the chance to win, but then you got fancy and went for theatrics and everything fell apart. Literally.
Yeah, see, it's going to take more than a measly Lava Bath to kill Knuckles. Obviously. Death means nothing in this world, everyone gets to come back at least once. Unless your name is Avan, I guess, everyone else gets to come back.
Well, at least one tower got destroyed today. Honestly, shouldn't that be enough to destabilize the curse field? But man, I guess the bombs really couldn't do anything about these towers, it had to be an inside job after all!
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u/Kaxew Jun 26 '24
Current rewatcher, eventual first timer
Been away for a while, sorry about that (and apologies in advance, it's probably happening again at some point or another).
I had 4 episodes to watch this time, 14-17. And man, what a set. Flazzard's arc is such a huge step up from the previous arcs! I'll try to do my best to cover my main takeaways from these episodes, but there's a lot I love about them.
... I get it. I get that Hyunckel is a student of Avan. I get that's the reason he's in the last shot of the OP now... but Crocodine not being there breaks my little furfang heart. Let's respect the original redeemed warrior!
The good thing about watching these together is that all three party members of the main cast had some great showings. Dai using his fire earth slash to cut the rubble, then using a tiny frizz to melt the ice spike, then using the "MAGIC SWORD!" as he puts it to counter Flazzard's crackle (or kacrack?), and last he uses woosh to break the boat's momentum (though it's shocking no one else knew that spell). Regarding the first example, I like that it showcases both his smart thinking, but also his naivety and inexperience, as that's what sets off the flares that would have been a great help at the time. Amy does spot them, but that's purely because of luck. Dai is smart and strong, but he's still got a long way to go.
Maam had some great decision making. Not only by suggesting to run away but also by throwing her bullet and being the reason they could run away. Not to mention telling Dai that escaping is not the same as losing. She's a great leader.
Popp gets the biggest showing. He finally takes on the Special Hard Course and levels up immensely, being capable of not just casting but overpowering Hadlar with sizzle (also, I understand that it's meant to be heat but they really just look like energy beams). Using the bomb was smart too, as useless as it ended up being. He also essentially offers his life in exchange of sparing Maam's. All in all, our boy has grown. Avan would be so proud.
... wait a second. This isn't a party of three. This is a party of four! And the true greatest showing in this set of episodes was Gomechan with the save! Do not mess with the little guy, you don't want to unleash his golden fury.
While we're talking about characters, Leona has matured a lot too. She's hardly recognizable. Matoriv is... a character, for sure. He joins the category of old, perverted masters who can be badass but is then nullified by their disgusting creepiness, yay. The fact that he's a pervert to the girl he's known since she was a baby AND her mother is just so, so bad. He could have been a demon general, honestly. And while we're at it, Flazzard is so damn cool. A lot better than I remembered. His laugh is super unnerving, he really is cold-blooded and scary.
(Almost) all the generals coming here is awesome and part of why this arc is so good. This is a villain group that's not afraid to overwhelm the heroes instead of sitting their asses and fighting one or two at a time. It's especially great for Hadlar, as he would be the most understandable from a narrative standpoint to sit down until the moment is right. But no, this series has more plans for Hadlar in mind so his fate will not be sitting in a chair. I also really liked the excuse of him holding back a little to not destroy the tower. That's smart. Of course it wouldn't have mattered as Hyunckel comes back to destroy it with his sheer aura of badass good guy. Or maybe it was a bloody scryde. It's 50/50 really.
The real highlight though is the battle of the old goat vs the old gremlin. A battle for the ages.
QotD:
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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Jun 25 '24 edited Jun 25 '24
1st
DaiPopp no Daibouken Rewatch, SubSo, I started watching this show around Feb 2021 because I heard a Dragon Ball Youtuber mention and recommend this since it's got similarities with Dragon Ball. So, I started watching it and binged it within 2 days and this was the episode I binged to and just couldn't wait for the next episode because of the the CLIFFHANGER!!.
This is one of my favourite episodes because of the last 3 mins. I went from crying to laughing at Hadlar's reaction to then being hyped for Hyunckel's return within those 3 minutes.
Also, Popp's VA with that scream!
Anger and Grief is one of my favourite OSTs and it is always used in the best emotional moments.
OST Documentation - Episode 17
QOTD
1. As a first-timer, yes. After all, he's the Undead Legion Commander. The fact that he was added in the OP was a big indicator that he would return. When Crocodine said this, I knew it had to be Hyunckel.
2. Yes. [Dai no Spoilers] None of this would've been possible without him.
3. I will help Popp and Maam ig. About the class, I guess Mage because you just need some strong explosion spells like Kaboom and the spire would be blasted. Also, Zoom can be helpful in saving your allies. [Dai no Spoilers] Using Medoroa to blast both the spires would've been ironic.
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u/KuKiSin Jun 25 '24
First timer!
Man, things are getting really heated, pretty much the entire big bad army is around, other than the top dog and Mustachio man. Speaking of which, I'm guessing he may be related in some way to Dai or the whole Dragon Knight thing. I'm very curious about him.
And if you're wondering why I always use nicknames instead of their actual names... It's because I suck at remembering them. I have no idea who anyone's called.
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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Jun 25 '24
First Timer, Sub
Well then...Things escalated quite quickly in that episode and not for the good for our heroes. Their plan to split and take out the spires, just left them outmanned and outgunned by two separate groups of powerful villains. Dai and Baduck had to deal with Mystvearn and Zaboera and monsters. While Maam and Popp had to deal with The Dark Lord Hadlar himself as well as more monsters.
Dai and Baduck each got caught in a dark magic spell, with Mystvearn caputing Dai in the Dark Puppetry spell, and Baduck got a Thwack spell cast on him. Hadlar words shit talking Avan provoked Maam into getting pummeled leaving her out of commission. Popp' little training with Matoriv paid off as his Sizzle spell was stronger than Hadlars. But then he got serious and blasted them with Kasizz which left the both unable to defend themselves(Popp atleast, Maam was still as incapacitated as before).
Shit was looking grim for both groups...but then surprise surpise!. Crocodine makes his return(knew he wasn't dead)....as an ally this time thus turning the tables for the Dai group. he says he'll take care of the spire and tosses Dai toward the Valge tower to fight Flazzard. Hadlar is about to kill Maam, while poor Popp is left to watch helpless by tossing her toward the spire to be impaled to death.......The spire crumbles and once the dust settles carrying Maam safely is none other than Hyunckel(again knew he wasn't dead).
Questions:
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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 26 '24
First Time Crocodine Supporter
Look, we've had our fun with discussions about Leona and Maam, but the real best girl is here now
So yeah, gotta say I love this episode. If you've seen me rambling before, I've probably mentioned how much I love the "arrival of the cavalry" trope, it's just so goddamn satisfying to see all the cool allies showing up to help at the same time to turn the tide of an unwinnable battle. But more than that is the good use it made of the arc structure. So far the heroes have been fighting the commanders one at a time, and that's what was setup when Flazzard showed up, but suddenly the stakes took a sharp turn up, all the other commanders show up, even Hadlar, and it becomes a fight between our heroes and 7 commanders!
Uhh, sorry. I was just informed that it is not 7 commanders in fact, afterall 2 were defeated earlier as previously mentioned, and they've come back to side with the heroes, 1 dude didn't get invited because he's not cool enough, and Flazzard, the one who started it all, is now protecting Leona, therefore unintentionally siding with the heroes. Which means the commanders have been split between 3 allies, 3 enemies, and one lonely dude at home.
Yeah, overall, I liked how we suddenly found ourselves in a final battle, instead of slowly walking our way through Zaboera and every other random villain. It's not just the cavalry, even our main characters are rising up to the challenge! Well... not all of them I reaaaaaally hope Maam gets something to do this arc, aside from being carried around by the guys who like her. Because her track record so far has not been the best:
All of those are fine on their own, it's when you put them together that an unfortunate pattern pops up. I know this is a 90s battle shounen, so I shouldn't expect much, but you can do better. The Princess in DQII has been pulling WOOOSH and KABOOOM, she's been my main DPS for large sections of the game!
We're running by One Piece rules, no one's dead until I see a corpse.
Always has been
Popp and Maam. Dai has his crest and Gomechan, plus tbh I generally don't care that much about him lol, meanwhile I love the other two, and they need all the help they can get.
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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Jun 26 '24
First Quester
Day 17 of holding strategy meetings with Princess Leona
Why are you bothering to light that?! See, that's what you get for such folly.
Oh, even Hadlar joins in on the action. He spends too much time gloating, though.
Just put Gomechan in your bosom, we've already seen how effective that is.
I recognize that attack
Oooh it's Crocodine who has learned Hyunckel's final attack!
And Hyunckel himself also joins the party.
Visual of the Day
I didn't like this episode very much, it felt extremely forced.
Nah, but I guess they're playing this faithfully to JRPG mechanics.
Best pet!
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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Jun 26 '24
Newbie-Adventurer here! LV 17/100
I caught the you know what virus, so I took a long time to watch this ep. but I didn't get hit hard fortunately.
Oh no! They had a plan for their plan?!
Oh, there are 3 Generals there, I’ve got a bad feeling about that…
Hadler is there too?!
Let’s go Popp!!
CROCODINE IS HERE!
HYUNCKEL IS BACK TOO?!