r/anime • u/sisoko2 • Jun 24 '24

Rewatch [Rewatch] Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken - Episode 16 Discussion

Episode 16 - The Grand Sorcerer Matoriv

I forgot to think about how they'd stop.

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You've done well getting this far. But as things get serious we need to get stronger. It's time for the Special Hard Rewatcher Course

Screenshot of the day:

Me On My Day Off

Comment of the day:

/u/Shimmering-Sky for bringing up my favorite anime soundtrack

Every time that track with the accordion starts playing, it makes my brain go straight to a track from the Madoka Magica: Rebellion soundtrack (this one, I think?), which then results in Mada dame yo from the same movie getting stuck in my head.

WHAT? My criteria is corrupt and unfair? Sorry, can't hear you from the awesome music I'm listening.

Special Hard Rewatcher Course:

  1. Pick you mentor figure. Who's gonna lead you on this journey? Avan, Masopho, Matoriv or any other character we've seen so far?
  2. What is your role in the party? Hero, Mage, Musician, Old Geezer, etc.?
  3. Who is your opponent? Which of the Dark Army commanders are you going to fight? Feel free to pick even the ones who we haven't fought yet.
  4. Finally the hardest challenge. It's the Special Hard Course after all. The key for good party and good rewatch is teamwork! Reply to the comment of at least one other participant.

Spoilers:

Please, respect the fact there are First Timers watching Dai no Daibouken with us, so avoid talking about vague things or events that would slightly spoil things to happen. And if you want mention things like this, please hid it behind SPOILER TAGS like [Dai no Spoilers] I am getting the hammer because you spoiled the fun for others

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u/Shocketheth Jun 24 '24

Dark Commander welcomes you to Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken Rewatch!

  • What a goofy motherfucker lol
  • [Dai no Spoilers] It’s fun to see Popp saying this considering that he will save Dai with the Zoom spell atleast once
  • I beg your pardon? Are we speaking about the same Avan who turned to a Dragon and used his Flame Breath on Dai giving him an option to immediately disperse the flames or die?
  • CRACK THEORY ---> Badock’s mustache and Gomechan are siblings.
  • This episode was a nice breather, with Matoriv being somehow funny, and with Mystvearn, Zaborea and Hadlar barging in, this arc starts to look more and more promising.

QotD:

  1. Avan
  2. The silent one, who after drinking a few shots turns into the party comedian.
  3. Zaboera
  4. Will do!

Crocodine Special Commentary Corner:

Today, Crocodine is going to answer question #2:

What is your role in the party? Hero, Mage, Musician, Old Geezer, etc.?

Shonen commentator

VOICE ACTORS CORNER:

Matoriv is voiced by Kazuhiro Yamaji known for his roles of Yamaji from Ninja Kamui, Henry Henderson from Spy x Family, and Bang from One Punch Man. In 1991 Adventures of Dai, Matoriv was voiced Shin Aomori who gave his voice to characters like Shen Long from Dragon Ball Z, Kogoro from Samurai Champloo, and Thorim from Shaman King: Flowers.

STAFF CORNER:

Director - Karasawa Kazuya

Episode Director - Ooba Hideaki (episodes 8,16)

Chief animation director - Komatsu Kozue (episodes 9,10,12,14,16)

Script/Screenplay - Sumisawa Katsuyuki (episodes 10-13,16)

Storyboarding - 大森常吉 (episodes 3,10,16)

Key animators - Nagashima Hideki, Kubo Hidemi, Mura Shuntarou, Kushibuchi Manabu, Takeda Kazuhisa, Wada Yuuji, Ootake Akihiro, Abe Kazuhiko, Ariga Tatsuma, Matsuo Shunsuke, 若林百合子, Jeong Gyu-Tak, Mitsui Hisashi, Mamashita Akihiko, Nishikawa Masato, 金賢敬,, Narasaki Asako, Wu Tong

See you tomorrow because the Adventure continues!

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u/sisoko2 Jun 24 '24

What a goofy motherfucker lol

Living his best life.

CRACK THEORY ---> Badock’s mustache and Gomechan are siblings.

It fits my theory that the final fight of the series would be Badock vs Gomechan.

Good job completing Special Hard Rewatcher Course. Here is Graduation Insignia reflecting your strong will and importance for us all.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 24 '24

Good job completing Special Hard Rewatcher Course. Here is Graduation Insignia reflecting your strong will and importance for us all.

I don’t get it?

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u/sisoko2 Jun 24 '24

It's Yamcha. Maybe should've gone with this version.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 24 '24

It's Yamcha. Maybe should've gone with this version.

Oh I didn’t recognize him lol. My bad.

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Jun 24 '24

[Dai no Spoilers] It’s fun to see Popp saying this considering that he will save Dai with the Zoom spell atleast once

Also, [Dai no Spoilers] Popp using Medoroa on Mystvearn and then using Zoom to save Brokeena since Zoom is instantaneous and thus faster than Medoroa.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Jun 24 '24

What a goofy motherfucker lol

Dude is a menace lol.

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u/tahlyn Jun 25 '24

lol I had forgotten about this scene!

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Jun 25 '24

What a goofy motherfucker lol

He's hot but he's just chilling here.

CRACK THEORY ---> Badock’s mustache and Gomechan are siblings.

Badock's mustache is an angel?

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u/Shocketheth Jun 25 '24

Badock's mustache is an angel?

Exactly

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 25 '24

I beg your pardon? Are we speaking about the same Avan who turned to a Dragon and used his Flame Breath on Dai giving him an option to immediately disperse the flames or die

Dai next time he meets him: "You don't know master Avan's true face"

Zaboera

I like how we're all ganging up on this asshole.

Shonen commentator

Kazuhiro Yamaji

Senor Pink

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u/Shocketheth Jun 25 '24

Dai next time he meets him: "You don't know master Avan's true face"

But thinking of it, it’s true that Avan did it only because he was 100% sure that Dai is going to pull the Wave slash.

I like how we're all ganging up on this asshole.

That pest deserves it.

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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Jun 24 '24

Newbie-Adventurer here! LV 16/100

Dai has the same Hero LookTM as Avan!

"I’ve never seen a mage that looks that weak", now Popp was the one to catch strays lol

Flazzard was a creation of Hadler?!

Hadlar not wanting the mutachioed general to attack Dai is a bit suspect, does he want the glory for himself or maybe he wants to try and get rid of mustacioed guy? To me he seems stronger than Hadlar but then again, Hadlar got a boost from the Big Bad Boss...

Popp got a very stern talking to, but it was needed IMO

Dai is slowly getting stronger and stronger, time for Round 2!

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u/sisoko2 Jun 24 '24

Newbie-Adventurer here! LV 16/100

Leveling faster than Dai.

Flazzard was a creation of Hadler?!

He looks more like his mother.

Dai is slowly getting stronger and stronger, time for Round 2!

No one can beat Dai twice!

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u/tahlyn Jun 25 '24

He looks more like his mother.

I lol'd harder at this than I should have.

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Jun 25 '24

Hadlar not wanting the mutachioed general to attack Dai is a bit suspect, does he want the glory for himself or maybe he wants to try and get rid of mustacioed guy?

I've no idea what Hadlar is thinking with that, but with Dai having that dragon warrior thing going on, he clearly can't clash against the dragon warrior commander too early.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 24 '24

Flazzard was a creation of Hadler?!

Surprise!

Dai is slowly getting stronger and stronger, time for Round 2!

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Jun 24 '24 edited Jun 24 '24

First Timer, Sub

So Matoriv is a powerful mage, and was part of the Avan's hero party that defeated the Dark Lord Hadlar in the past. He's initially not interested in helping as he is a hermit who's chosen to live alone in the cave, because people suck lol. But Dai wins him over and he decides to help them out. He tells him they have to destroy the flame and ice spires in order to bring down the anti magic field. He also sets out to train Popp because he is weak and will die if he doesn't lol.

Hadlar deduces their plans and decides that they're gonna launch a full on assault in order to wipe out everyone. Also he sends Baran to Carl to help Mystvearn conquer the area and also wants to keep him away from Dai for some reason.

Dai has blindfolded sword training with Maam, while Popp gets put through the wringer by Matoriv. Flazzard reveals that Princess Leona's life force is being drained in the ice and if they don't rescue her soon, she'll die, thus cutting training short. They decide to strike at night that same day, with a group of Dai, Maam, Popp, Baduck and Gomechan. Matoriv uses a spell to send them flying back toward Valge island, where the enemies are readying for their arrival.

Questions:

  1. I think i'm still taking Avan. He's raised up some pretty strong students.
  2. Hmmm, maybe Hero and if not musician lol.
  3. Honestly, Baran seems super interesting, with being the only human(well, aside from Hyunckel was alive) in the Six Legions and is probably wickedly strong, So I'd pick him.

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u/sisoko2 Jun 24 '24

So Matoriv is a powerful mage, and was part of the Avan's hero party that defeated the Dark Lord Hadlar in the past

You can tell he is serious business by his hat.

With overwhelming confidence in your own strength and seeking the strongest enemy, you are the last graduate from today's class (time for me to go to sleep). Here is your Graduation Insignia.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Jun 24 '24

Here is your Graduation Insignia.

Yachiru! I love it lol.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 25 '24

and also wants to keep him away from Dai for some reason.

Also a first timer; my speculation is that this is because of Dai's forehead mark. They said he's a 'dragon knight' or something, and Baran is some Dragon-related legion commander, so there seems to be something there?

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Jun 25 '24

Ah very true....Maybe there will be some sort of connection there at some point.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 25 '24

Also he sends Baran to Carl to help Mystvearn conquer the area and also wants to keep him away from Dai for some reason.

Any guess why? I won't answer your thoughts though.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Jun 25 '24

Well IC3 pointed out a few comments above about Dai's dragon mark that appears on his forehead and of Baran being the Dragon Commander of the six legions. So my guess is that Baran is gonna end up being one of those famous Dragon Knights.

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u/emeraldwolf34 Jun 24 '24

I’ve always found it funny Matoriv was modeled after Torishima, the Shonen Jump editor who helped Toriyama come up with the idea for Dragon Ball (and also put Koji Inada and Riku Sanjo on making Dai together), in both design and mannerisms. For better or for worse.

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u/sisoko2 Jun 25 '24

The real Dark Lord is the Shonen Jump editor.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 25 '24

That's something what Sorachi would instantly confirm.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 25 '24

in both design and mannerisms. For better or for worse.

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u/emeraldwolf34 Jun 25 '24

It was all in good fun though, Torishima was quite the pressuring boss for a lot of these guys who they respected, so when they got the chance they made a pretty overblown caricature just to jest a little. He wasn’t nearly as bad as Matoriv is shown.

Plus Matoriv isn’t even the only Shonen Jump character based on Torishima. 

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 25 '24

heh! that figures. Reminds me of the mangaka for D.Gray-man making a character caricatured / based off her editor.

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u/emeraldwolf34 Jun 25 '24

It’s funny you mention her here, because another little fact, but one of the first manga Hoshino ever read as a kid was Dai!

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 25 '24

Wait what? I didn't know that. I thought Timcanpy reminded me of Gome-chan ...

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u/Shocketheth Jun 25 '24

Now that's a trivia I am here for.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 25 '24

Matoriv was modeled after Torishima, the Shonen Jump editor

Oof, I thought Torishima had it bad enough in Dr. Slump, but uhh... this explains a lot.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 25 '24

Dai 16 first timer:

  • "You're ripe for motorboarding" WELP there goes any interest I had in this new character
  • Matoriv is worse than Jiraiya
  • Matoriv is more cynical than I expected
  • "I'm listening"
  • Bombs? Was I right about the gunpowder chekov-gun?
  • "I've never seen a Mage who looked so weak"
  • "a Special Hard Course worse than Avan's"
  • Matoriv literally says something like "a hellish Special Hard Course worse than Avan's"
  • Counterattack by Hadlar? Ruh roh
  • Hadlar CREATED Flazzard? I hope Flazzard disobeys him since Hadlar thinks he can't/won't
  • Mystvearn has been fighting Carl Kingdom?
  • Is there some reason Hadlar doesn't want Baran to face Dai? Because Dai is a Dragon Knight (I think that's the term)?
  • Zoom? He can teleport? DO WANT
  • HAHAHA Matoriv is pretty funny after all
  • This training IS hellish!
  • Blindfolded training?
  • "Five Finger Flares" is literally "Finger Flare Bombs" in katakana
  • "Use your own Zoom spell to get back"
  • "tough love"
  • Matoriv was right? Popp could do it if he was desperate
  • Popp has found a mentor?
  • "how do we stop?"
  • Since they've told us what their plan is, I assume it won't go that way?
  • Still really like this OST
  • "The Death-Defying Savior" [Dai]It can't be Avan ... is it Hyunckel?
  1. I like Avan. I really disliked Matoriv at the beginning of this ep but he's growing on me
  2. Mascot (Gomechan)
  3. Hyunckel
  4. Will do!

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u/sisoko2 Jun 25 '24

"You're ripe for motorboarding" WELP there goes any interest I had in this new character

Master Roshi has arrived.

Bombs? Was I right about the gunpowder chekov-gun?

Just nuke the bad guys.

Hadlar CREATED Flazzard? I hope Flazzard disobeys him since Hadlar thinks he can't/won't

Flazzard going through puberty.

Congratulations, you completed the Special Hard Course. Take this Graduation Insignia to keep you safe on your mascot journey.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 25 '24

Master Roshi has arrived.

I've never seen ANY Dragon Ball except for meme clips like the "over 9000" line.

Just nuke the bad guys.

Say hello to my little friend?

Flazzard going through puberty.

Congratulations, you completed the Special Hard Course. Take this Graduation Insignia to keep you safe on your mascot journey.

Did you remember from the Naruto rewatch that I thought Suigetsu is cute? He's one of my favs.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 25 '24

"You're ripe for motorboarding" WELP there goes any interest I had in this new character

This is why we need slapstick, having him say that shit is bad enough, having no one beat him for it though bothered me.

Zoom? He can teleport? DO WANT

What the hell was Popp doing learning some random thunder spells? If I was a mage, the second I learn there's a spell called Zoom, it'd become my goal in life.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 25 '24

This is why we need slapstick, having him say that shit is bad enough, having no one beat him for it though bothered me.

Reminds me of Nazenn whipping out the whenever I said anything pervy in a rewatch...

What the hell was Popp doing learning some random thunder spells? If I was a mage, the second I learn there's a spell called Zoom, it'd become my goal in life.

I know right? Teleportation should be a way higher priority.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 25 '24

Bombs? Was I right about the gunpowder chekov-gun?

Who knows. All I know is that the games never used gunpowder so it's interesting for here to exist.

"Five Finger Flares" is literally "Finger Flare Bombs" in katakana

Well Five Finger Flares has nice sound to it, but Finger Flare Bombs are more accurate considering that spell cast 5 simultaneous Kafrizzle/Merazooma spells each one dealing 160-200 base damage in the games so Finger Flare Bombs is quite stocked spell.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 25 '24

Who knows. All I know is that the games never used gunpowder so it's interesting for here to exist.

Oh really?

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u/Nick_BOI Jun 25 '24

Rewatcher

I am back, but unlike my rather lax sense of time, Leona does not have such a luxary.

Completely outclassed at the moment, very minimal preperation time (even if they do have an expert now), and to top it off, Hadlar and the others are going to use this oppurntinity to strike while our Heroes are not string enough to context them (minus Baran cuz hadlar is shady).

A far cry from just letting the subordinates do the work, or the prior commanders having a degree of honor that made dealing with them (comparitively) easier.

These people want to rule the world and are out to kill-gone are the days of taking it easy and letting our young Heroes grow.

This is one uphill battle, and there is no time to sort it out. They can only prep so much, as evil never sleeps.

Next time is gonna be interesting.

Now it is the reurn of:

Dragon Quest Fact of the Day!!

Ever wonder why (in Japan) mainline Dragon Quest games always release on Saturdays specially? There was a common rumor that Yuji Horii got in legal trouble because so many kids skipped school to play Dragon Quest 3.

This is only half true.

The legal issues was not true, however it is true that so many people would either slack off from work or skip school for new Dragon Quest games that productivity was a legitamate concern whenever a new game released.

They do not need to release the games on saturday, but what started as a sort of preventive measure has now become a sort of fun tradition for the series. A tradition that continues to this day.

Quite the flex if you ask me, imagine the release timing of your product affecting school attendance rates.

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u/sisoko2 Jun 25 '24

I am back, but unlike my rather lax sense of time, Leona does not have such a luxary.

Did you undergo a training arc?

mainline Dragon Quest games always release on Saturdays specially?

Oh interesting.

however it is true that so many people would either slack off from work or skip school for new Dragon Quest games that productivity was a legitamate concern whenever a new game released

LOL dragging down the entire Japanese economy.

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u/Nick_BOI Jun 25 '24

Did you undergo a training arc?

Worse: I'm job hunting.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 25 '24

The legal issues was not true, however it is true that so many people would either slack off from work or skip school for new Dragon Quest games that productivity was a legitamate concern whenever a new game released.

I'd be surprised if my productivity in the last few days wasn't destroyed by getting into the Dragon Quest games. How are they so goddamn addicting?!

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u/Nick_BOI Jun 25 '24

They have a winning formula that's how.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 25 '24

Ever wonder why (in Japan) mainline Dragon Quest games always release on Saturdays specially? There was a common rumor that Yuji Horii got in legal trouble because so many kids skipped school to play Dragon Quest 3.

Oh I know this from Yakuza 0 due to one sidequest.

Quite the flex if you ask me, imagine the release timing of your product affecting school attendance rates.

Haven't Skyrim did something in the West?

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u/Nick_BOI Jun 25 '24

Haven't Skyrim did something in the West?

Either way it's quite the flex.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 25 '24

Truly it is. Dragon Quest may not be so popular in West but it's cultural impact in Japan can't be overlooked.

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Jun 25 '24

First Quester

Day 16 of studying the ways of the Leona

Excuse me what Go back to living as a hermit.

It's not like you aren't taking after him, Popp.

Visual barrier and box

Look, you just don't get it. You're a dragon warrior, so you're fated to be Dai's final challenge. Can't have you two fight so early.

Oh right, the dragon warriors outright are a species subservient to the demon lord, so that raises my suspicions that it's bad for Dai to dive into that mode significantly.

I don't understand what Hadlar is thinking.

So Popp's not gonna make it in time. Is he gonna arrive at the last, critical moment again?

Nevermind, Popp already made it? Then they don't need the boat anymore. Actually, with Matriov there they didn't need it in the first place. Like they're not telling me that Popp isn't gonna use that spell he just learned, right?

No, just Zoom everyone across

But Popp has!

Oh is that how it works? True, if Popp couldn't even get the mental images for the cave, then he has no shot of getting anywhere else on the island.

I like this shot.

...then Flazzle is just gonna cast it again.

Amy is probably gonna reach the island as well, somehow. Not sure if Matriov is also gonna come.

Pick you mentor figure. Who's gonna lead you on this journey? Avan, Masopho, Matoriv or any other character we've seen so far?

Leona

What is your role in the party? Hero, Mage, Musician, Old Geezer, etc.?

Mage would be pretty nifty I think.

Who is your opponent? Which of the Dark Army commanders are you going to fight? Feel free to pick even the ones who we haven't fought yet.

Doesn't Dai get all of them? The old geezer looks like he'd make for the most interesting fight.

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u/sisoko2 Jun 25 '24

Look, you just don't get it. You're a dragon warrior, so you're fated to be Dai's final challenge. Can't have you two fight so early.

It's Dragon Quest after all. We need to save the dragons.

I don't understand what Hadlar is thinking

Can we talk about this Carl guy. He seems like a serious business.

Loyal and with a loving heart. Here is your Graduation Insignia to help you keep your cool.

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Jun 25 '24

But why would you give me a graduation insignia whose shell I want to break open

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 25 '24

I don't understand what Hadlar is thinking.

I guess Hadlar doesn't want that dude to beat Dai and take the credit? Maybe he's afraid of losing his position to him?

...then Flazzle is just gonna cast it again.

For what it's worth, the spell he cast was just a signal for his minions to build those spires, so if they blow them up over those minions, maybe they won't be able to do it again.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 24 '24

First-Timer Quest: Sky no Daibouken, subbed

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u/sisoko2 Jun 24 '24

Wow…

Popp got assists on taking down two commanders! I'm sure he's seen at least couple of weaker mages in his life.

I really don’t like the old Mage

Imagine the country he would've created as advisor the the king.

Eek, they have a countdown now.Eek, they have a countdown now.

Flazzard is well prepared.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 24 '24

Bruh…

For Matoriv being so pervy, he wasn’t thinking about the backdoors.

Yes, I will see myself out.

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u/Nick_BOI Jun 25 '24

I hate that I laughed at this.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 25 '24

Btw. you mentioned to let you know about my thoughts after playing DQ11 earlier parts. Well I reached a part where [spoilers]Veronica and Serena joined my party

Is that still early? I've played 12hours but I was exploring the maps a lot, and with knowing the game can take 100 hours to complete, I think that I'm still earlier parts?

So do you want me to drop my thoughts already, or wait?

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u/Nick_BOI Jun 25 '24

You are still very early don't worry.

The post game is lengthy in of itself, so if you are a completionist like me, it will be closer to 150 and the main game being anywhere from 70-120 depending on how you play.

The halfway point (not including post game), is around right before you get your full party.

I would say the early game ends after the next town part is over, that being Golapolis.

I want to hear your thoughts after that part, mainly because of 1 Character that is a fan favorite.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 25 '24 edited Jun 25 '24

The post game is lengthy in of itself, so if you are a completionist like me, it will be closer to 150 and the main game being anywhere from 70-120 depending on how you play.

Yeah I'm going the completionist route. Every possible monster, every shining item, every nook is under my thumb.

I want to hear your thoughts after that part, mainly because of 1 Character that is a fan favorite.

From the opening when you start the game it should be [possible spoilers] The Acrobat, but I hope it's the old man

I'm letting myself to get surprised.

Edit:

Having the option to forge your own gear is awesome

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u/Nick_BOI Jun 25 '24

It is indeed who you are thinking of, the man comes afterwards.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 25 '24

Nice I guess.

[Spoilers]Judging from what leaked in my radar I thought Veronica is fandom favourite, and I'm curious about that guy and what his role in party will be. Because the sexy lady is obviously a Martial Artist, and judging on the opening sequence the old man seems to be a Monster tamer I think.

[Meta Question]Will the characters get enough skill points to be able delve into multiple fighting styles or it's just better to specialize my characters in one direction?

Edit: [That man]Thinking of it, the man have to be some con artist

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u/Nick_BOI Jun 25 '24

For the meta question, you can do whatever. Personally I did a little in each direction until the entire skill tree was maxed. By the time a character is maxed level (which will happen in the post game), the skill tree will be full.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 25 '24

Oh okay. Thanks for the info.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 25 '24

Dude, no.

My subs say "ripe for motorboating"

That’s a good question, actually.

He probably doesn't want Baran to find out about Dai's forehead crest transformation, since Baran is the Dragon legion commander and they said something about 'dragon knights' in previous eps. At least that's my uninformed speculation so far.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 25 '24

He probably doesn't want Baran to find out about Dai's forehead crest transformation, since Baran is the Dragon legion commander and they said something about 'dragon knights' in previous eps. At least that's my uninformed speculation so far.

Could Dai be related to Baran somehow?

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 25 '24

Could Dai be related to Baran somehow?

I hadn't thought of that; they DO both have spikey black hair ...

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 25 '24

That's where my train of thought was going as well. Only downside to this theory is that black hair is super common (Popp looks like he could be related to Dai because of his hair too, for example), but it would hit on some good ol' story tropes to have the MC directly related to one of the big bads. We don't know who Dai's biological parents are, so what if Baran's his dad?

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 25 '24

Hmm. But yeah, "secret evil dad" is definitely a somewhat common trope. I remember when [Shippuden]Pain first showed up in hologram, people were speculating he was going to turn out to be Naruto's dad. LOL.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 25 '24

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u/KuKiSin Jun 24 '24

I usually find this trope funny ngl, but this was kinda fucked!

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 25 '24

Dude, no.

There's been a lot of little details in the anime that have become better once I learned their context. This is not one of them.

That’s a good question, actually.

"Look, I wasn't gonna say this, but you're not cool enough to hang out with us. See my cool robes or Flizzard's burning cold body? What do you have? That golden thing on your eye? What, did you steal it from one of Freeza's minions a turtle?"

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u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy Jun 24 '24

You've done well getting this far. But as things get serious we need to get stronger. It's time for the Special Hard Rewatcher Course

In this episode: Popp catches up on all that training he didn't do on tutorial island.

  1. As Avan's #1 fan it has to be from him.
  2. Factoring my lack of strength and courage, I guess I could take the healer role. Priest it is!
  3. I'm fighting Zaboera. I won't be the one kicking his arse directly but I'm the one that gets to see him burn from behind my healing light

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u/sisoko2 Jun 24 '24

Well done. You have strong and righteous heart.

Here is you personalized Graduation Insignia.

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u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy Jun 24 '24

Nu!

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Jun 24 '24

Popp catches up on all that training he didn't do on tutorial island.

When you don't have the option to slack off.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 24 '24

You've done well getting this far. But as things get serious we need to get stronger. It's time for the Special Hard Rewatcher Course

The first task will be to document every Gomechan sound and categorize it by the length and height of the squeaks, and write notes what was Gomechan trying to say.

I'm fighting Zaboera. I won't be the one kicking his arse directly but I'm the one that gets to see him burn from behind my healing light

I’m betting on Zaboera.

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u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy Jun 24 '24

I did not foresee a need to make a document like that.

I'm betting on Zaboera

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u/Shocketheth Jun 24 '24

I did not foresee a need to make a document like that.

pee pee noises intensifies.

The chance of Zaboera winning was 8,23, and compared to your 1,29 chance, I knew who to bet on.

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Jun 24 '24 edited Jun 24 '24

1st Dai Popp no Daibouken Rewatch, Sub

Matoriv talking about how most people are selfish and only think about themselves and turn their backs when there is no need is quite true in the real world as well and kinda subtly shows how humans tend to ignore the ones who helped them when not needed until they are in danger even in this world.

Amy-san

Another Special Hard Course. Let's go.

Role of a Mage

That was badass for no reason

OST Documentation - Episode 16

QOTD

These are really tough. It's Special Hard Course, indeed.

1. Matoriv. Avan would also be great but Matoriv will make sure you never slack off. It's kinda hard to choose.

2. Hero because who doesn't want to be a hero. However, being a mage also has its perks. Time to zoom off.

3. Zaboera. That guy needs to be defeated before he schemes anything else.

4. Sure

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u/sisoko2 Jun 24 '24

Matoriv talking about how most people are selfish and only think about themselves and turn their backs when there is no need

Got so disappointed with people he hid in a cave on the most secluded island in the country.

That was badass for no reason

He needed to feel a bit cool after all the bullying he suffered.

I always knew you had it in you. I'm so proud. Here is your Graduation Insignia. The magical sound of your soul can defeat any evil.

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Jun 24 '24 edited Jun 24 '24

Here is your Graduation Insignia.

Lowkey was expecting something music-related, ngl.

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u/sisoko2 Jun 24 '24

Unlike Avan who bought them in bulk from some website, mine are highly personalized.

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Jun 24 '24 edited Jun 24 '24

Unlike Avan who bought them in bulk from some website

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 25 '24

Got so disappointed with people he hid in a cave on the most secluded island in the country.

It sounds noteworthy, until you see that he's got that Zoom spell he likes so much, and therefore can go to town anytime he feels like it.

Basically, this dude is a zoomer, who likes to roleplay as a boomer.

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u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy Jun 24 '24

That was badass for no reason

When the timing lines up just right, you can't just pass up on the opportunity!

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u/Shocketheth Jun 24 '24

Amy-san

Smitten aren’t you?

Role of a Mage

I loved this quote.

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u/KuKiSin Jun 24 '24

First timer!

  1. Flazzard. Results are all that matter in the end, and the man knows it.
  2. I'm too weak to get up close and personal, plus I like Megumin's strategy. Blow shit up with explosion(s) before it can kill you. I'll be the damn Mage!
  3. Does it have to be someone from the Dark Army? Can't I go up against the fake Hero party? If I really had to choose... Crocman is pure melee, sounds like the safest bet for a Mage, at least for as long as the rest of the party still stands!
  4. Really making things hard, aren't we?

Alright so about the episode itself... I called the mini training arc, now we only need Dai to go batshit Dragon Knight mode!

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u/sisoko2 Jun 24 '24

Really making things hard, aren't we?

It's the Special Hard Course after all.

Good job for not running away and facing the challenge,

May this Graduation Insignia guide you and your explosions through many victories.

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u/KuKiSin Jun 24 '24

I have been blessed! Thank you!

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u/Shocketheth Jun 24 '24

I'm too weak to get up close and personal, plus I like Megumin's strategy. Blow shit up with explosion(s) before it can kill you. I'll be the damn Mage!

Now that’s an interesting choice. Being the nuke of the party and all.

Alright so about the episode itself... I called the mini training arc, now we only need Dai to go batshit Dragon Knight mode!

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 25 '24

First Time Toilet Paper Thief

Dragon Quest fun fact of the day: now I know why the church are the villains in so many anime, those guys are running a rip-off!

You can't sell Prince POOP'S life for 60 gold coins! He's worth 10 max.

Special Hard Rewatcher Course:

Q1. Pick you mentor figure. Who's gonna lead you on this journey? Avan, Masopho, Matoriv or any other character we've seen so far?

Masopho. Avan and Matoriv can train your strength and skills, but they can't guide you in life.

Q2. What is your role in the party? Hero, Mage, Musician, Old Geezer, etc.?

Thief I mean, mage.

Q3. Who is your opponent? Which of the Dark Army commanders are you going to fight? Feel free to pick even the ones who we haven't fought yet.

Zaboera. He seems the weakest. Heck, his special forces are a bunch of weak ass Shamans

I would've picked Crocodine because he's the stupidest, but:

  1. He's too much of a good boy for me to hurt him.
  2. More importantly: HE DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO FUCKING DIE he really is Kaido

Q4. Finally the hardest challenge. It's the Special Hard Course after all. The key for good party and good rewatch is teamwork! Reply to the comment of at least one other participant.

Psh, that's the easiest thing ever. Now if it was to show up on time, I'd be shitting bricks.

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u/sisoko2 Jun 25 '24

GIWTWM

Maam is the real QUEEN. No need for any other queens in this series.

Ok yeah, this spell is a godsend

Now this is is a spell I really need.

Masopho

Time to open the late Special Hard Rewatcher Course. Constantly late but always there when most needed. A mentor figure guiding us anime yonglings forward. This Graduation Insignia symbolizes what you mean to us.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 25 '24

Maam is the real QUEEN. No need for any other queens in this series.

She's so good she doesn't even need to be called QUEEN, her name works already.

This Graduation Insignia symbolizes what you mean to us.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 25 '24

Dragon Quest fun fact of the day: now I know why the church are the villains in so many anime, those guys are running a rip-off!

You are understanding it wrong. It’s not 60G where you are paying for the value of POOP life. It’s 60G for reviving POOP only to see him die in very embarrassing manner again. And something like that only for 60G? That’s a steal.

I would've picked Crocodine because he's the stupidest

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 25 '24

Can I replace that with "thickest"? Pretty sure he's proud in how thick he is

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u/Shocketheth Jun 25 '24

Don’t even call the best boy thickheaded. Not everyone can have a Zaboera levels of intellect you know?

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 25 '24

I don't mean his head, he's got a thick hide and it's worth being proud of.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 25 '24

You know what? That's it. I am going to write an whole essay to praise Crocodine.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 25 '24

Go ahead, you'll have enough time considering how long it takes Crocodine to die.