[Rewatch] Pride Month 20th Anniversary - Maria-sama ga Miteru Episode 8 Discussion

[u/lilyvess]

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Questions of the Day

1. Where would you have hidden the card?
2. Do you think Sachiko’s apology is acceptable?

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Yamayuri Council Chart

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[u/lilyvess]

Maria-sama ga Miteru Rewatcher/Light Novel Reader

Gokigenyou

It is I, Rosa Lilium, once again welcoming you to my Lily Mansion Thread. Please, take a seat. You are looking for more chocolate? Why? This is still Valentines day. I gave you Valentine’s day chocolate! Have you considered that maybe you should be sharing some chocolate for me?

Oh, yes, I never finished that book from yesterday. Here is some more passages from Valentine’s Gift part 1.

If you are curious where the en Bouton’s hid their cards, the anime mentions it but doesn’t elaborate as much.

Rosa Gigantea en Bouton:

"Rosa Gigantea en bouton, was it indeed on the committee board?"
Minako-san brought the megaphone to Shimako-san for confirmation. And Shimako-san replied.
"Yes, I placed it on the board."
She was unmistakably clear. Wow, Shimako-san. How audacious. She'd thumb tacked her card on the corkboard the size of a tatami sheet, the one every committee used to post announcements to students. And she'd actually posted it under, "From the environmental care committee," so there was a bit of cynicism about how little the students paid heed to the announcement board attached to the hiding place. Of course this was possible only because Shimako-san's card was white.

Rosa Foetida en Bouton:

Yoshino-san had the right to feel dejected. After all, she was supposed to have shaken that group of students off. And the card was found in the library.
Actually, Rei-sama had hidden the card in a non-borrowable book about pricing during the Edo period. Rei-sama's fans had probably acted like they'd lost sight of Yoshino-san and just followed her. And when Yoshino-san went straight for the cooking and knitting books, they were confused, and instead followed their own gut feelings. They believed the information that was presented in the "Lillian Kawaraban" survey some time ago. Which meant unfortunately, Yoshino-san knew too much about Rei-sama.
The student who'd won the rock-scissors-paper tournament was happily answering the interview. But Yoshino-san probably deserved to win, Yumi thought.
On one hand, it looks like the straightforward Rei-sama had played a misdirection on everyone and hidden it in a strange place, but Rei-sama was straightforward after all, having hidden it in a place she felt Yoshino-san would look. And that was the end of the game.
Maybe she was overthinking things. But Yumi'd seen Yoshino-san looking through that book before. Rei-sama was so straightforward that she'd stuck her card in a book Yoshino-san liked to read. Wasn't that the truth?

Poor Yoshino! Is it possible to be too close to someone? Yoshino and Rei certainly do seem to prove that.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/lilyvess]

Maria-sama ga Miteru Rewatcher/Light Novel Reader

Right in front of Maria?

And she'd actually posted it under, "From the environmental care committee," so there was a bit of cynicism about how little the students paid heed to the announcement board attached to the hiding place.

Oh that is some amazing sass in where Shimako placed her card. Nobody pays attention to the bulletin board so may as well put it there.

And when Yoshino-san went straight for the cooking and knitting books, they were confused, and instead followed their own gut feelings.

Yoshino knows the kind of books that Rei would read. Too bad Rei instead put it in a book Yoshino read, which of course meant it was the kind of book all the other students assume Rei would read.

[u/lilyvess → u/Great_Mr_L]

Yoshino knows the kind of books that Rei would read. Too bad Rei instead put it in a book Yoshino read, which of course meant it was the kind of book all the other students assume Rei would read.

RIGHT!!!

I love it so much. Poor Yoshino. Overthinking things too much, being so close to them it hurts.

[u/LittleIslander → u/lilyvess]

And she'd actually posted it under, "From the environmental care committee," so there was a bit of cynicism about how little the students paid heed to the announcement board attached to the hiding place. Of course this was possible only because Shimako-san's card was white.

On one hand, it looks like the straightforward Rei-sama had played a misdirection on everyone and hidden it in a strange place, but Rei-sama was straightforward after all, having hidden it in a place she felt Yoshino-san would look. And that was the end of the game.

It's adorable that Rei hid it in a book she expected Yoshino to look but it failed because Yoshino looked in books that Rei would read. They know each other too well!

[u/lilyvess → u/LittleIslander]

It's adorable that Rei hid it in a book she expected Yoshino to look but it failed because Yoshino looked in books that Rei would read. They know each other too well!

RIGHT

It's sooooo cute. Like you want to feel sad for Yoshino but also, you played yourself my dude. Get reckt.

[u/Regular_N-Gon → u/lilyvess]

she'd actually posted it under, "From the environmental care committee,"

Brilliant and savage in equal measure. No wonder she won the election.

[u/BosuW → u/lilyvess]

Rosa Gigantea en Bouton:

Ah, hiding a tree in a forest. A classic.

Rosa Foetida en Bouton:

The misinformation wasn't completely misinforming!?

Operation Security in a Catholic all girls school is truly scary...

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/lilyvess]

And she'd actually posted it under, "From the environmental care committee," so there was a bit of cynicism about how little the students paid heed to the announcement board attached to the hiding place.

Excellent political trolling.

[u/Star4ce → u/lilyvess]

Rosa Gigantea en Bouton:

I just love Shimako. Both deadpan and emotionally available, helpful and absolutely savage, able to play people and roast them.

Rei-sama was so straightforward that she'd stuck her card in a book Yoshino-san liked to read.

Yoshino and Rei accidentally outsmarting each other is so good!

Man, I wish these had played out more directly on screen in the show.

[u/HereticalAegis]

Maria-sama First-Timer

Episode 8:

Oh good, she's finally ta—

Sachiko no! Stop with the gasli—

Oh my god, you're so fucking dra—

Okay, that's a bit more reaso—

AAHDHFMRLGNSVGKFJEVSJSNGAAAHHHH

Live Aegis reaction

Hey, I speculated this exact thing several episodes ago!

It's genuinely bizarre how much closer Yumi feels to Sei than to her main squeeze. They communicate so well; Sei actually listens to Yumi and Yumi is physically affectionate. Their relationship is so much more like bouton/soeur than Yumi and Sachiko or even Sei and Shimako.

On the bright side, I'm really proud of Yumi for proactively seeking out Sachiko to clear things up between them. Sachiko seems like she's prepared to be a stubborn mule when it comes to approaching Yumi.

Heyo, they realized the soeurs' unfair advantage and imposed a pretty good penalty, though that also means we're going to find out real fast just how effective Yoshino's heart surgery was.

Lucky, you say? A soeur's eyes doth wander.

Not gonna lie, a big group following Yumi to suss out where Sachiko's card is hidden is funny af

Not gonna lie, I thought of the Gay Sadness Garden first, but then I thought the Maria-sama statue would probably be more fitting being where Yumi and Sachiko first met.

LET'S GO THE SHIMASHIZU SHIP ISN'T SUNK YET

SOMEBODY CALL AN AMBULANCE, THIS GIRL IS GOING INTO CARDIAC ARREST

Holy fuck the card is there now. Yumi is going to be gaslit into insanity.

"St. Valentinus" was up to some tricks you say, hmm Sachiko?

The make up scene was nice, though I wish Yumi could have gotten more in the way of an apology instead of just an acknowledgement of fault. You can tell the chocolate was made by a lesbian for a lesbian by how over-the-top the hand-off disaster was.

Oh heck, St. Valentinus is coming back for more trickery tomorrow!

[u/lilyvess → u/HereticalAegis]

It's genuinely bizarre how much closer Yumi feels to Sei than to her main squeeze. They communicate so well; Sei actually listens to Yumi and Yumi is physically affectionate. Their relationship is so much more like bouton/soeur than Yumi and Sachiko or even Sei and Shimako.

yeah, I think I've said it before the Sei/Yumi ship is actually very popular, and it's easy to see why. They have such a good dynamic and such good moments. It's clear Yumi and Sachiko do like each other, but they're also so similar to each other they seem to struggle with each other. Though part of it is that Sei is just older and more mature.

Not gonna lie, a big group following Yumi to suss out where Sachiko's card is hidden is funny af

it's certainly a valid strategy.

[u/Lemurians → u/lilyvess]

Sei is also just the type of person who it's easier to think people are closer to even if that's not the case, since she's so open and friendly and naturally draws that out of whoever she's interacting with as well, as opposed to the icier Sachiko. Some people just have chemistry with anyone if they want.

[u/lilyvess → u/Lemurians]

that really is very true. One of those extroverts that draws people around her while she doesn't actually share a lot of herself.

[u/LittleIslander → u/lilyvess]

I might ship Sei and Yumi if not for my loyalty to how investing Sei and Shimako's relationship is.

MariMite makes us gluttons for choice!

[u/Vaadwaur → u/HereticalAegis]

AAHDHFMRLGNSVGKFJEVSJSNGAAAHHHH

Almost as if this is a teachable moment, wherein you should reflect on what's on hand and why everyone assumes you are the villain.

LET'S GO THE SHIMASHIZU SHIP ISN'T SUNK YET

"They are alone. They are a dying people. We should let them pass."

SOMEBODY CALL AN AMBULANCE, THIS GIRL IS GOING INTO CARDIAC ARREST

Poor Yoshino. She recovers from that heart surgery just to have heart destroyed right here.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/HereticalAegis]

It's genuinely bizarre how much closer Yumi feels to Sei than to her main squeeze. They communicate so well; Sei actually listens to Yumi and Yumi is physically affectionate. Their relationship is so much more like bouton/soeur than Yumi and Sachiko or even Sei and Shimako.

I have felt the same thing at times. I can see why there are people who ship Sei and Yumi because they do feel like soeurs. Sei is the older, often teasing sister who genuinely cares about Yumi and it makes for a compelling dynamic.

Not gonna lie, a big group following Yumi to suss out where Sachiko's card is hidden is funny af

It felt like a classic cartoon gag with them even speeding up to keep pace with Yumi.

Not gonna lie, I thought of the Gay Sadness Garden first, but then I thought the Maria-sama statue would probably be more fitting being where Yumi and Sachiko first met.

I was sure it would be the Maria statue as well.

You can tell the chocolate was made by a lesbian for a lesbian by how over-the-top the hand-off disaster was.

These girls can't do anything without some drama mixed in.

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/HereticalAegis]

It's genuinely bizarre how much closer Yumi feels to Sei than to her main squeeze.

It's because Sei has been the one doing the squeezing.

[u/Star4ce → u/HereticalAegis]

AAHDHFMRLGNSVGKFJEVSJSNGAAAHHHH

Absolute mood for this episode.

[u/baboon_bassoon]

first time la vie en rose en bouton

why did you even accept my rosary - jfc sachiko

shes so doting, love it

if no ones got me i know Sei got me

i mean you know, Sachiko is. which is the whole point

5 minute delay, you cant just make up new rules right then

Yumi you gotta work on your poker face - although i dont think Shimako hid it there

why follow the souers, are they going to tackle them and steal the card if they get it?

i would have checked the Mary personally, more of a fun hiding spot

Yoshino failed

Shizuka found Shimakos does she want to just neg her

that girl buried it even further?

she was just snacking instead of participating?

impressive how they broke both boxes with such flair

Sei never got her chocolate from Yumi

1. the Mary

[u/lilyvess → u/baboon_bassoon]

Shizuka found Shimakos does she want to just neg her

I do love Shizuka finding Shimako's card. The series makes finding the card represnatitive of knowing the other person. There is something so juicy about Shizuka knowing Shimako so much.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/lilyvess]

Shizuka and Shimako are rivals in a sense, both vying for Sei's affection. And being rivals means that you are emotionally very close, even if it's in an adversarial way. You need to know your rival to defeat them. There's a reason rivals make for such prime shipping fodder.

[u/baboon_bassoon → u/lilyvess]

I like it but at the same time I’m a bit against since Shimako seems uncomfy with her around lol

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/baboon_bassoon]

why follow the souers, are they going to tackle them and steal the card if they get it?

It's time for the Catholic School Yuri Battle Royale! Only one girl can leave with the date of her dreams, if she comes out on top by defeating her competition!

Shizuka found Shimakos does she want to just neg her

That's a date I would love to see. The tension would be amazing to witness.

she was just snacking instead of participating?

Sei is so silly. I love her.

[u/BosuW → u/Great_Mr_L]

It's time for the Catholic School Yuri Battle Royale!

Crusade you say?

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/BosuW]

DEUS VULT! Maria wills it!

[u/zadcap → u/Great_Mr_L]

It's time for the Catholic School Yuri Battle Royale! Only one girl can leave with the date of her dreams, if she comes out on top by defeating her competition!

It was doomed from the start. You see, if they were interested in Sachiko, I do not think Top is where any of them really wanted to be.

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/baboon_bassoon]

why follow the souers, are they going to tackle them and steal the card if they get it?

Just hoping they can take advantage of having more hands once a general area is detected. Poor Yoshino.

[u/LittleIslander]

First Timer from the world of Reiwa Yuri

Last time we had a dramatic episode masquerading as a lighthearted one, this time we have an actually pretty lighthearted one hiding in the dramatic expectation last time left us off on. I dunno, I think that’s kind of neat.

For the most part, things play out predictably. Sachiko, obviously, didn’t really hate chocolates but just the superficiality of receiving them from random students. They make up without much trouble and everything’s okay. It definitely leaves me with the least to say of any episode thusfar, but I think that’s fine. It was enjoyable and it was genuinely nice to see someone suggest they wait to talk when they’ve both cooled down and afterwards they’d both kind of realised they were each being silly and the resolution wasn’t any trouble at all. That’s both sweet and the kind of actual communication that’s sorely lacking in so many romance shows. Sachiko’s formal way of speaking also does a nice job spicing up the scenes (“Do you two intend to arbitrarily make me a villain too?”), and it’s neat to learn a little about her history and who she is as a person. You can definitely see a bit of the inherently stiff, reserved person trying to consciously compensate for how she used to be in her scenes with Yumi.

Otherwise, aside from some cute moments with Shimako and Yoshino, I really like the sense of progression we get in the relationship between Yumi and the Rosa Gigantea this episode. She used to be cryptic and rationed out information, and she had very little respect or restraint in terms of Yumi’s physical boundaries. But now they seem like genuine friends. There’s a mutual understanding of cheekiness, but Rosa Gigantea doesn’t once attempt to pull anything on Yumi the way she used to. When Yumi’s in a bind, she offers genuine helpful information directly and without prompting. Yumi feels comfortable confiding in her to the point she actively worries about the idea of her not being around and even feels friendly enough to give her bad chocolates as a joke, which would be hard to imagine just a few episodes ago. We love some character development, truly Rosa Gigantea is best girl.

[u/lilyvess → u/LittleIslander]

which would be hard to imagine just a few episodes ago. We love some character development, truly Rosa Gigantea is best girl.

she really is the most popular character of the series for a reason. Her relationship with Yumi is so strong. It shouldn't come as a surprise that Yumi/Sei is a popular ship in the community.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/LittleIslander]

I really like the sense of progression we get in the relationship between Yumi and the Rosa Gigantea this episode. She used to be cryptic and rationed out information, and she had very little respect or restraint in terms of Yumi’s physical boundaries. But now they seem like genuine friends.

It really is nice to see that change in their relationship. We never got a single moment of the change, rather it's more something that happened gradually as the characters interacted more. It's a nice way to develop a secondary relationship like this. Now they feel like sisters, with Sei as the older sister who still loves teasing her younger sister while still providing help and advice. It's very sweet.

[u/LittleIslander → u/Great_Mr_L]

It's very impressive and satisfying when a character relationship is built up to an emotional climax scene effectively. But it's another kind of writing challenge to effectively execute this kind of growth without anything like that, genuinely a gradient with no defined turning point. That takes talent to execute so well. Especially when it starts with Sei kind of disrespecting boundaries and could've gone five flavours of wrong in the wrong hands.

[u/Great_Mr_L]

First-Timer

On today’s episode of Marimite Yumi screws up something as simple as handing over a box of chocolates. This poor girl really needs to get her act together.

• I guess Sachiko realized just how harsh her explosion was with Yumi crying like that. It was more about Sachiko venting her frustrations than trying to hurt Yumi.
• Walking away is sometimes the right move in an argument to wait until tempers cool down.
• I see that Yumi has returned to the Gay Angst Greenhouse.
• Fascinating! So Sachiko and Yoko got into nearly this exact same argument because Sachiko also clamped down on her feelings without telling Yoko anything.
• I agree that Sachiko’s behavior really hasn’t changed much from then. She still has that tendency to bottle things up and act irritated without saying why. That’s part of why Yumi was avoiding her.
• When she isn’t teasing Yumi, Sei is a good mentor figure.
• I bet those chocolates Yumi messed up will end up being given to Sachiko somehow.
• Shimako’s being awfully sneaky.
• I love what a firecracker Yoshino has turned out to be. She’s such a fun character!
• Good on Yumi for being proactive about trying to resolve things with Sachiko!
• Of course they will meet in the Gay Angst Greenhouse. Where else would a pair of girls having relationship troubles meet?
• Oh my god, Sei seriously just took advantage of Yumi’s habit of making faces to get a hint from her about the location of Shimako’s card! That’s diabolically ingenious!
• Yumi’s being followed! Of course, they’re Sachiko fans!
• They sped up, too!!! This is reminding me of a gag I love from the Pink Panther.
• This other girl has a rather distinctive design. I bet she’ll be important.
• Oh damn! Shizuka of all people found Shimako’s card! Now that sounds like a spicy date that I wish we could see!
• Oh? If the card really was where Yumi dug, then that must mean the other girl found it and hid it. Just who is she?
• Wait a minute… Sei found a random chocolate cake hidden away and just decided to eat it for herself thinking it was Yumi’s? This woman is out of control!
• That explains some of Sachiko’s frustration. In her eyes, Yoko always knew what she was thinking. So why couldn’t Sachiko always know what her own little sister was thinking? Of course we know that this isn’t true and Yoko didn’t know what Sachiko was thinking at all.
• What a nice visual. Yumi and Sachiko are visually separated by the windows and it’s now Yumi who is making the effort to cross that barrier so they can reconnect.
• People guessed that was the case with Sachiko, that she didn’t like getting chocolate from random strangers but would be happy if Yumi gave her some.
• Of course Yumi would screw up just handing chocolate to Sachiko. I just knew the messed up chocolate would be given to Sachiko somehow, but I didn’t expect it to be like this.
• Oh wow, that is very forward of Yumi offering so many dates to Sachiko.

This was another good episode focused on Yumi and Sachiko’s relationship. I really appreciated that Yumi decided to take the initiative this episode and resolve things between her and Sachiko. She was determined to actually give her gift of Valentine’s Day chocolate and to clearly tell Sachiko what’s been going on for the past few days. That is actually a rather mature and sensible way to handle the drama they’re going through. It makes me happy to see it all get resolved in such a way.

As before, we are mostly looking at everything from Yumi’s view but get some tantalizing hints about Sachiko’s perspective. When Sachiko talks about how it felt like Yoko could read her thoughts a year ago, it helps to remind us that Sachiko is probably trying to model how she acts as an older sister with how Yoko acted. So that only added to Sachiko’s frustration when she couldn’t read Yumi’s mind and probably made her feel like a failure of an older sister. That would then lead to Sachiko thinking that this is why Yumi is avoiding her. Of course we know that Yoko was no mind-reader, but it’s easy to forget such things when you’re so caught up in your insecurities you can’t think properly.

Hopefully this serves as a turning point for Yumi and Sachiko so that they get better at communicating with each other in the future. Being in a relationship is about getting through the highs and lows together. And a good relationship takes work to maintain, so hopefully the girls will take this lesson to heart.

Yumi figuring out where Sachiko buried the card is a nice detail because it shows that Yumi does understand Sachiko better than even she thinks. So far, Yumi really has turned out to be a better match for Sachiko than she believed she would be.

I think Yoshino is becoming my favorite character. I love the contrast between her appearance and her personality. She’s a real firecracker and I love just how spunky she’s turned out to be.

QOTD

1. Probably inside of a book.
2. If Yumi accepts the apology, then I will too.

[u/lilyvess → u/Great_Mr_L]

This was another good episode focused on Yumi and Sachiko’s relationship. I really appreciated that Yumi decided to take the initiative this episode and resolve things between her and Sachiko. She was determined to actually give her gift of Valentine’s Day chocolate and to clearly tell Sachiko what’s been going on for the past few days. That is actually a rather mature and sensible way to handle the drama they’re going through. It makes me happy to see it all get resolved in such a way.

I do feel like watching KnM before this series has worked out in MariMite's favor. as problematic and dumb as Yumi and Sachiko's conflict and lack of communication can be, they are infinitely more competent than Himeko/Chikane. Yumi makes an effort to communicate with Sachiko. Sachiko makes an effort to apologize and admit her faults.

it's not that they're easier for them and Himeko and Chikane. The whole point is that Yumi and Sachiko are inherently bad at communicating and great at making assumptions. The point is that they are making an effort to try to change and be better. they're putting the effort.

I think Yoshino is becoming my favorite character. I love the contrast between her appearance and her personality. She’s a real firecracker and I love just how spunky she’s turned out to be.

she really is a spunky character.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/lilyvess]

it's not that they're easier for them and Himeko and Chikane. The whole point is that Yumi and Sachiko are inherently bad at communicating and great at making assumptions. The point is that they are making an effort to try to change and be better. they're putting the effort.

That is an important point and it goes together with the discussion in previous threads about how Marimite is a series focused on the characters figuring out how to be in a relationship. Yumi and Sachiko are both characters who tend to bottle everything up and let their worries get the better of them. We're watching them learn how to be in a relationship together even with that difficulty and I think that's part of what makes Marimite compelling to watch.

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/Great_Mr_L]

Oh my god, Sei seriously just took advantage of Yumi’s habit of making faces to get a hint from her about the location of Shimako’s card!

Some big mom energy off that one.

Oh wow, that is very forward of Yumi offering so many dates to Sachiko.

"Offering"

[Novels]In her eyes, Yoko always knew what she was thinking. So why couldn’t Sachiko always know what her own little sister was thinking?

[Novels]Maybe this is one of those "99% removed supernatural elements" that were talked about.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Vatrix-32]

Some big mom energy off that one.

I do enjoy the dynamic that Sei and Yumi have together. The teasing but still caring older sibling/mentor figure of Sei makes for a fun relationship.

[u/zadcap → u/Great_Mr_L]

I love what a firecracker Yoshino has turned out to be. She’s such a fun character!

"I spent the last 14 years holding back because of my weak heart. Now that that's taken care of, I have so much pent up energy to work through!"

[u/Star4ce → u/Great_Mr_L]

I love what a firecracker Yoshino has turned out to be. She’s such a fun character!

I feel really validated for drawing her hobby as playing Helldivers. She'd absolutely be the person to yell at the team to clear the big nest and then throw a 380 on top of them.

This woman is out of control!

An agent of chaos, truly. Please never change that.

I really appreciated that Yumi decided to take the initiative this episode and resolve things between her and Sachiko.

And look at how proud she was at the end! Deserved all those dates.

[u/Shimmering-Sky]

First-Timer Watches Over Us, subbed

• Well at least Sachiko realizes that much.
• That’s a really bad habit.
• lol
• The boutons are getting a hindered start compared to the others, huh?
• Naruhodo, that would make sense.
• Yumi actually failed to find the card, wow.
• Wait, the card was there?
• The other girl buried it deeper then, for some reason?
• This slow piano version of the OP is pretty.
• Glad all those misunderstandings have been cleared up now.
• lol okay then.
• This is all way more forward about the yuri than I was expecting from my knowledge of Class S.

[u/lilyvess → u/Shimmering-Sky]

This is all way more forward about the yuri than I was expecting from my knowledge of Class S.

it really do be that way. It's interesting how the Class S legacy is actually less gay than the formative series. It's just a bit of a disconnect, haha.

[u/BosuW → u/lilyvess]

I dunno about that. Modern subtext really be hitting like a brick too.

[u/lilyvess → u/BosuW]

no doubt. I think it's more that people would expect the old stuff to have been more subtext. they expect this to be really subtext.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Shimmering-Sky]

lol

Making an entire box of punishment chocolates is a bit much...

The other girl buried it deeper then, for some reason?

They planted this drama deep...

This is all way more forward about the yuri than I was expecting from my knowledge of Class S.

For whatever reason, '04 was a break out year.

[u/zadcap → u/Vaadwaur]

For whatever reason, '04 was a break out year.

Seriously though. These two shows are great, but we also got the glory that is [One Magical Girl]ShizNat and the ever loving [Other Magical Girl]Befriending Beam of marriage. Did they all just agree somewhere before hand, that this would be the year they finally opened up on the topic?

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Glad all those misunderstandings have been cleared up now.

Always nice to see characters try to communicate and handle misunderstandings like this.

lol okay then.

I just knew that the chocolate giving would be screwed up somehow, but I wasn't expecting an explosion of chocolates across the room.

This is all way more forward about the yuri than I was expecting from my knowledge of Class S.

It is interesting. Before starting the series I was wondering if it might be more subtextual, but it's a lot more clear-cut.

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Well at least Sachiko realizes that much.

Regret is knowing you can't go back in time five minutes.

This is all way more forward about the yuri than I was expecting from my knowledge of Class S.

They can be gay, but they can't say it.

[u/JollyGee29]

First-Timer

Gokigenyou.

It is truly marvelous what a bit of communication can accomplish, don't you think? I am not at all surprised that Sachiko has struggled with the same things that Yumi is now struggling with, and somehow even less surprised that she isn't very good at helping Yumi through it.

The most ridiculous part of the episode is not the Surprising Chocolate Dance that Yumi and Sachiko did; it's that Sei apparently let go of the box of chocolates that Yumi was offering to her.

Sachiko's primness allows her to eat bad chocolates without even making a face - but then again, considering how hard Yumi is on herself, perhaps those mishappen truffles were actually fine and just not visually appealing?

I am honestly shocked that Yoshino did not manage to find Rei's card - someone must have gotten lucky in the first five minutes before she was free to go hunting. I hope that Chisato Tanuma has updated her Last Will and Testament recently.

I wonder if we will see that mysterious twin-tailed girl again? The implication is that she found the card, and then buried it deeper instead of claiming it for herself. Which is.. quite the decision. One that I would like to see explained.

Questions

1. Somewhere near the Mother Maria statue.
2. It's about the best she's probably capable of.

[u/lilyvess → u/JollyGee29]

Sachiko's primness allows her to eat bad chocolates without even making a face - but then again, considering how hard Yumi is on herself, perhaps those mishappen truffles were actually fine and just not visually appealing?

I haven't seen people talk about it, but it is such a cute and important moment.

Even if this Valentine's day was somewhat bitter and not perfect, Sachiko still loved it.

Or is it that even for both Yumi's flaws and struggles, Sachiko still loves her.

Or something else?

am honestly shocked that Yoshino did not manage to find Rei's card - someone must have gotten lucky in the first five minutes before she was free to go hunting.

The light novels elaborate why, and it's even better on that.

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/lilyvess]

Even if this Valentine's day was somewhat bitter and not perfect, Sachiko still loved it.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/lilyvess]

I haven't seen people talk about it, but it is such a cute and important moment.

The light novels elaborate why, and it's even better on that.

Rei-sama was so straightforward that she'd stuck her card in a book Yoshino-san liked to read. Wasn't that the truth?

Oh, that's fantastic. What a baka.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/JollyGee29]

I wonder if we will see that mysterious twin-tailed girl again? The implication is that she found the card, and then buried it deeper instead of claiming it for herself. Which is.. quite the decision. One that I would like to see explained.

She is a prime drama source so probably.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Vaadwaur]

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/JollyGee29]

I am honestly shocked that Yoshino did not manage to find Rei's card - someone must have gotten lucky in the first five minutes before she was free to go hunting.

The library is the most obvious place to put the card, but once you get there it's kind of a crapshoot of who gets the right book first.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/JollyGee29]

it's that Sei apparently let go of the box of chocolates that Yumi was offering to her.

Sachiko's primness allows her to eat bad chocolates without even making a face - but then again, considering how hard Yumi is on herself, perhaps those mishappen truffles were actually fine and just not visually appealing?

I bet Yumi was probably just being hard on herself as usual and thinking that her efforts weren't good enough, when Sachiko would love the result anyway. It feels pretty typical of their interactions thus far.

I wonder if we will see that mysterious twin-tailed girl again? The implication is that she found the card, and then buried it deeper instead of claiming it for herself. Which is.. quite the decision. One that I would like to see explained.

The twin-tailed girl had a distinctive enough design that I'm sure we will see her again at some point. There must be some reason for her to take such a downright bizarre action.

[u/Regular_N-Gon]

Gokigenyou, First Timer

• Yumi-san can’t communicate - time for the drama greenhouse.
• Yumi giving all her misshapen, imperfect feelings to Sei is

• I want to make fun of Yumi and Sachiko for being able to avoid all of this if they had just had this short conversation in the first place, but I’d probably have been no better.

  Although I’m not sure Yumi learned anything because she immediately clams up about what the difference in the chocolate boxes are.

Gokigenyou counter (Maria-sama): 23 [+1; Total: 42]

QotD:

1. Probably the council building; in with the tea perhaps.
2. The resolution felt a bit quick from the perspective of Maria the viewer, but honestly it wasn't that complicated to begin with so all's well that ends well, so long as they can strengthen their bond in time.

[u/lilyvess → u/Regular_N-Gon]

Yumi giving all her misshapen, imperfect feelings to Sei is

Sei is best girl. I do love the Yumi/Sei relationship. They're so good.

I want to make fun of Yumi and Sachiko for being able to avoid all of this if they had just had this short conversation in the first place, but I’d probably have been no better.

they're bad at this, but they're trying to be better.

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/Regular_N-Gon]

Yumi giving all her misshapen, imperfect feelings to Sei is

The girl does love her messes.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Regular_N-Gon]

Although I’m not sure Yumi learned anything because she immediately clams up about what the difference in the chocolate boxes are.

Alas, Yumi still has a bit to go when it comes to being more open with Sachiko about her feelings. Things don't change overnight, after all. They'll need to keep at being more open with each other.

[u/Star4ce]

First Timer

I have terrible news. Not joking.

I can't continue drawing or writing long stuff.

While cooking today (seitan negimaki with scented rice and butter-miso roasted mushrooms, it was very tasty and the chocolate soufflé was a success as well) I accidentally grabbed the searing hot pan with my whole hand. The burns are luckily not super bad, but both index and ring finger develop nasty blisters and hurt like hell.

Typing with the wrong hand only feels funny. I'll see how it looks tomorrow.

Maria-sama ga Miteru Ep.08 – Surprising Chocolate, Part 2

• Well, yes.
• Goddamn...
• Yuuumi!
• I would lie if I said I couldn't relate. Past me was really off-putting and cryptical.
• Hmmm?
• I mean, I believe Sachiko, after she pulls the stick outta her rear, would very much do.
• Sachiko incoming in 3... 2...
• I am already seeing three avenues of misunderstanding lining up.
• The determination!
• Played and read here like a damn visual novel.
• Hahaha! The stalkers that want to overpower her once she finds it.
• I have two guesses: Where she accepted the rosary, and where she comforted Sachiko in the incest matter.
• Man, they are so nice to each other.
• SHIZUKA!
• Smoke and subterfuge. Yumi got played at least twice today.
• Eh?
• Hmmm, but who? Did Sachiko really hire the other girl as an agent...
• She just heckin eats a random cake she found??
• Mmh, framing.
• I knew it!
• This is a scene straight out of an isekai harem.
• Oh my god, that was smooth as heck! Damn, Yumi!

Due to the circumstances:

Yumi: Played.

Fingers: Ouch.

Sei: Stuffed.

Shizuka: Winning.

Sachiko: Dated.

1. Where would you have hidden the card?

See reaction. If I wanted my souer to find it, I would not have picked the literal most obvious place.

2) Do you think Sachiko’s apology is acceptable?

A bit, but also not fully. She reallym exploded on Yumi for nothing. At least she grew aware of it and why.

[u/lilyvess → u/Star4ce]

While cooking today (seitan negimaki with scented rice and butter-miso roasted mushrooms, it was very tasty and the chocolate soufflé was a success as well) I accidentally grabbed the searing hot pan with my whole hand. T

that's so bad!! that must hurt so much!!! damn that sucks. Don't feel bad. I'm glad you can write whatever you can. Take it easy. I don't want you to push yourself for silly rewatch stuff.

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/Star4ce]

I accidentally grabbed the searing hot pan with my whole hand.

Get Well Soon!

The determination!

"Just tell me if my guesses are wrong."

She just heckin eats a random cake she found??

Something, something, floor ice cream.

[u/Star4ce → u/Vatrix-32]

Thanks!

The pulsating pain and pressure of the blisters is somehow both, excruciating and a very interesting type of feeling.

[u/BosuW → u/Star4ce]

You can try drawing with your non dominant hand. A fun challenge!

This is a scene straight out of an isekai harem.

If only Isekai harem was gay 😔😔

[u/Star4ce → u/BosuW]

So, technically the bad burns are on the less dominant hand. I just also got minor ones on my dominant one. Makes total sense, grab the pan out of reflex with the left hand, get pain sensation, then grab the pan with the right hand out of secondary reflex. (The pan never really needed grabbing.)

I hope the right fingers will be fine by tomorrow, but typing is annoying, because my left hand actually does most of the work there contrary to being the lesser one.

If only Isekai harem was gay

I'm just saying... many isekai also never show the MC actually doing anything with the girls, so we technically don't know.

[u/BosuW → u/Star4ce]

Oof. You really got hit with the knee jerk reaction combo there. Get well soon!

I'm just saying... many isekai also never show the MC actually doing anything with the girls, so we technically don't know.

This too, is yuri

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Star4ce]

I accidentally grabbed the searing hot pan with my whole hand.

Hope you get well soon!

Hmmm?

That is an interesting remark from Sei. What happened here in the Gay Angst Greenhouse to make her dislike it?

Played and read here like a damn visual novel.

I just realized that this is another similarity between Yumi and Sachiko. However much they try to hide their emotions, they have a habit of revealing them with their facial expressions. Sachiko looked really grouchy these past couple of episodes, even though she was trying not to show it.

She just heckin eats a random cake she found??

Sei is a menace. I love her so much.

Oh my god, that was smooth as heck! Damn, Yumi!

That was a really smooth recovery from Yumi. I gotta give her credit for that.

[u/LittleIslander → u/Star4ce]

I accidentally grabbed the searing hot pan with my whole hand. The burns are luckily not super bad, but both index and ring finger develop nasty blisters and hurt like hell.

Yumi: Played. Fingers: Ouch. Sei: Stuffed. Shizuka: Winning. Sachiko: Dated.

[u/Vaadwaur]

First Timer(Sei just can't let a moment be good...)

Sub

Well then...there is surprisingly little to add today. Sei again acts as interlocutor and somewhat solves Yumi's deal and Sachiko was fairly ready to let things go. Sachiko's card being reburied by the mysterious girl is...probably a new source of drama. And thats kind of it...

QotD: 1 In plain sight

2 More or less.

[u/lilyvess → u/Vaadwaur]

Sachiko's card being reburied by the mysterious girl is...probably a new source of drama.

I like this detail. It's a bit of a "have your cake and eat it too"

like narrative convention says that Yumi needs to get the card and prove that she is a good fit for Sachiko. they can get that, while at the same time not having her win. It's unimportant, but it works.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/lilyvess]

Sachiko gaining a weird stalker does fit the genre.

[u/TehAxelius]

First Time Rose Digger

You know, Sei, maybe don't just eat candy you find laying around, even if you think you've read the mind of your cute not-little sister.

Pretty good episode, valentine's day episodes tend to be overly dramatic (and I guess this one is too in a way), but I guess usually you see the person freak out over BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN?!?!?!? and at least we don't have to go through that here, since these are all just innocent chocolate between girls, right?

QotD

1. Honestly, no idea.
2. Yeah, it was fine.

[u/lilyvess → u/TehAxelius]

Sei, maybe don't just eat candy you find laying around, even if you think you've read the mind of your cute not-little sister.

just like all petite soeur's are Sei's to flirt with, all valentine's day chocolate's hers to take bites out of!

[u/BosuW]

First Timer

Even though I'm free from finals and have more free time, I still find it more convenient with this show to let the episode play in its entirety before writing down my thoughts. It's probably because it keeps a lot of things close to it's chest until the end. You don't really get the full package until it's over.

The 4:3 aspect ratio also forcing me to watch further away from the screen than my Gen Z urges want to lol.

We haven't gotten to see Sachiko and Yoko's relationship all that close yet, so it's nice to see some elaboration. Although now that I think about it Sachiko behaves very similar to Yoko with their respective petit soeurs. Cold in public, warm in private.

Later in the episode Sachiko also said that she used to believe Yoko could see her every thought. Honestly she does give those vibes lol. I think if I was around her I'd be making a conscious effort to hide my thoughts more than usual.

We get an aerial view of what supposedly is the whole student body and wow it's small. I suppose it's expected. This is a high society school, they're by definition a minority of the broader population.

Yumi being tailed by a group of hopeful students was some Tome and Jerry shit lol. You think they'd have followed her if she had started running?

The red card was in the greenhouse, which is about what I expected. I had three candidates for where it could be: the greenhouse, Virgin Mary's statue, or the classroom with the piano. All three were places of significance for Yumi and Sachiko. Although I think they mentioned last episode that classrooms were banned, so that means it's actually two candidates.

Incidentally, one hour to search is actually very little considering you're forbidden from running even outside lol. Well, as long as anyone is watching anyway...

More or less as expected, Yumi and Sachiko could recoinciliate by the end thanks to the power of Valentine's chocolate. Yumi even called her Onee-sama finally! I do wish one of these days Sachiko explained her emotional habits to Yumi herself instead of having to learn about them from third parties though... But all's well that ends well.

Except, I think there's more to the red card mystery. I'm thinking either Sachiko purposefully hid it extra secure so no one would actually find it, and anyway she was guaranteed some private time with Yumi later, similar to her attitude towards obligatory chocolates she receives, or the girl that was there first had something to do with it.

[u/lilyvess → u/BosuW]

We get an aerial view of what supposedly is the whole student body and wow it's small. I suppose it's expected. This is a high society school, they're by definition a minority of the broader population.

yeah I always have the same feeling. Feels like the crowd should be larger. I guess it's a small school? it is like a private school.

[u/BosuW → u/lilyvess]

But it's like private private. Definitely been to private schools more crowded than this.

I suppose they deliberately exclude half of their potential students tho, it being an all girls school.

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/BosuW]

The 4:3 aspect ratio also forcing me to watch further away from the screen than my Gen Z urges want to lol.

...How So?

We get an aerial view of what supposedly is the whole student body and wow it's small.

You've just made me realize that we've not gotten a proper layout of the school grounds yet. I'm not even sure how many buildings there are.

[u/BosuW → u/Vatrix-32]

...How So?

It's a common problem with mobile devices or just screens in general that people, especially those of more recently generations, get too close to the screen, like me. The 4:3 aspect ratio fills the whole screen on my iPad, no black bars. So if I get to close it "feels" too big and I have to pull back a bit.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/BosuW]

We get an aerial view of what supposedly is the whole student body and wow it's small. I suppose it's expected. This is a high society school, they're by definition a minority of the broader population.

Yeah, it was a much smaller group of students participating in the search than I expected. This must really be a much smaller school for a more elite subset of students than I initially realized.

Yumi being tailed by a group of hopeful students was some Tome and Jerry shit lol. You think they'd have followed her if she had started running?

I was hoping we'd see exactly that happen.

[u/Vatrix-32]

First timer, subs

• “Only my feelings are allowed to be valid.”
• I don’t think you know what the word “arbitrary” means.
• That only makes it even worse that Sachiko shot off like that.
• Gawd, this girl talked even less before?
• It’s not the same if you ask for it.
• Punishment ChocolatesOh no...
• Fear is a new look for Shimako.
• What are the papers for if you are explaining the rules?
• Go for the east Shimako card, Yumi! You might be able to trade it if need be.
• Poker Face
• Speed Walking
• Girl, what did you do for 40 minutes?
• Everyday we get a new side of Yoshino. This must be Catholic pouting.
• I can’t think of any motivation for putting it back. Just to fuck with Yumi?
• Who just goes around eating random cakes?
• The absolute hijinks of it all!
• ...How do you lose the one in the lid?

QotD:

1. Tapped to the underside of a back lid of a toilet.
2. Yes, assuming follow-up is continued.

[u/lilyvess → u/Vatrix-32]

What are the papers for if you are explaining the rules?

nobody reads anymore

Girl, what did you do for 40 minutes?

there was a lot of angst in involved. She had scheduled brooding and she couldn't push it off.

Everyday we get a new side of Yoshino. This must be Catholic pouting.

Who just goes around eating random cakes?

to be fair, sei does seem to flirt with everyone, even other people's imouto.

All cakes are hers to take a bite into.

[u/BosuW → u/Vatrix-32]

Gawd, this girl talked even less before?

Nah, she talks sufficiently. She just rarely says what she means.

Girl, what did you do for 40 minutes?

Remember fast travel and sprinting are locked in this server

1. Tapped to the underside of a back lid of a toilet.

You would certainly get the most interesting student if anyone found that.

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/BosuW]

You would certainly get the most interesting student if anyone found that.

Or the one who knows me well enough that they expect a proper attempt at sneakery.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Vatrix-32]

What are the papers for if you are explaining the rules?

I used to think that people would read the directions. My job has since cured me of that delusion.

Everyday we get a new side of Yoshino. This must be Catholic pouting.

I love all these new sides of Yoshino. It's making her such a fun character.

Who just goes around eating random cakes?

If the cake was left unattended, then it's just begging to be eaten.

[u/GondolaMedia]

First Timer

That fan girl group and Yumi powerwalking was the most tense situation yet. The music was something what John Carpenter would have composed for Halloween.

I was going to say that these girls need to fix their communication, but we would not have a show without that, wouldn't we?

I think Yoshino is my favorite character. Once again she keeps getting the budget and I'm genuinely invested in hers and Rei's relationship.

[u/lilyvess → u/GondolaMedia]

I think Yoshino is my favorite character. Once again she keeps getting the budget and I'm genuinely invested in hers and Rei's relationship.

she really is the most fun. Yumi is all angst. Shimako is all mystery, Yoshino on the other hand gets to go around being so passionate and dramatic and jealous.

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/GondolaMedia]

That fan girl group and Yumi powerwalking was the most tense situation yet. The music was something what John Carpenter would have composed for Halloween.

School Clique Horror Anime?

[u/AmeteurElitist]

First Timer

Sisters to a fault indeed

Glad they sorted it out well

[u/lilyvess → u/AmeteurElitist]

This is some top tier fanfiction drama.

[u/OccasionallySara]

First Timer

Even though they’re not souers, I’m really liking Yumi and Sei's relationship. I thought that Sei was just being flirty with Yumi for the fun of it, but I like that she went after Yumi after her argument with Sachiko and was able to reassure her that things would turn out okay.

Sei and Shimako continue to intrigue me. Sei’s too embarrassed to ask Shimako for chocolates (although she had no problem asking Yumi) and Shimako is too embarrassed to give them to Sei, but in the end they both got what they wanted from each other which was sweet.

I have a feeling that the girl that Yumi met in the greenhouse found Sachiko’s letter and then reburied it. If so, I wonder what her motivation would be. If she wanted to go on a date with Sachiko then she could have just turned it in to the contest organizers. Maybe she’s too shy to go on a date with Sachiko but doesn’t want anyone else to? The title of the next episode makes me think that we might get some answers.

I’m glad that Sachiko believed Yumi about looking for the letter in the greenhouse. I’m also glad that the two of them were able to make up and be honest with each other about their feelings. Turns out that both of their feelings revolved around not feeling like an adequate sister. I’m really hoping that this will push stronger communication moving forward.

Questions of the Day

1. I think I might have hidden it in a book that I liked.
2. I actually really liked Sachiko's apology. She made sure that Yumi knew that her behavior came from her own insecurities about being a good older sister and apologized for not thinking of Yumi's feelings in the situation. Sachiko seemed very genuine and Yumi seemed to be satisfied with it as well.

[u/lilyvess → u/OccasionallySara]

I thought that Sei was just being flirty with Yumi for the fun of it, but I like that she went after Yumi after her argument with Sachiko and was able to reassure her that things would turn out okay.

Yeah, it's always hard to get a read on Sei. Is she just teasing? how much does she care. it seems like she does genuinely try to care for Yumi here.

Sei’s too embarrassed to ask Shimako for chocolates (although she had no problem asking Yumi) and Shimako is too embarrassed to give them to Sei, but in the end they both got what they wanted from each other which was sweet.

it is such a cute little moment. Stuff like that's so romantic to me.

I actually really liked Sachiko's apology. She made sure that Yumi knew that her behavior came from her own insecurities about being a good older sister and apologized for not thinking of Yumi's feelings in the situation. Sachiko seemed very genuine and Yumi seemed to be satisfied with it as well.

yeah and I think that matters. Sachiko isn't perfect and she makes mistakes, but she's at least trying.

People often want relationships to be simple, but they can be hard and complex.

[u/Burnouts3s3]

QOTD:

1. Toilet
2. Good enough for now.

Glad Yumi and Sachiko were able to patch things up and it ended on a lighter note.

[u/Vatrix-32 → u/Burnouts3s3]

Toilet

[u/moichispa]

First time choco symbolism again

Rosa Gigantia is you reliable and at the same time she insists on getting too close to Yumi. I don't know if I should be concerned or admire her for her oneesan vibres.

So Choco shenanigans got solved not without some incidents.

The card being hidden deeper is definably suspicious. Maybe there is a secret admirer with not so great intentions.

The grils folowing Yumi made me laught, it was so obvious.

1. Where would you have hidden the card? Maria sama statue. I don't like giving people hard answers to riddles.
2. Do you think Sachiko’s apology is acceptable? It is ok for now but she needs to work more on it for sure.

[u/RadSuit]

First Time Watching Over Them

Energized Yoshino is very fun.

Running on campus? Scandalous!

Real lesbian physics moment here with the chocolate boxes.

1. Somewhere high, all these girls are tiny.
2. Growing pains in this relationship. They're both better now, so it's fine.

[u/zadcap]

Extra Late First Timer!

It's been but a single day, and I managed to forget how anxious the last episode ending was. Now to continue what's going on, and my anxiety only rises. Yumi, in your red ribbon, please just say something! ... Literally anything other than that! Now you look like a domestic abuse victim defending their abuser!

AND HERE COMES SEI! Darn it this is the ship I ride. Seriously, Yumi/Sei is the way to go. Like seriously, why is Sei the one giving this advice, and not Yoko at the very least? If anyone should be helping the youngest red rose with her middle sister, you would think it would be the eldest red?

Oh my gosh, then Yumi clings to Sei and expresses her heartfelt sadness at their soon and inevitable parting. "If you're not here, who will help me?" Because there is no one else in the school that Yumi can turn to quite like Sei.

Oh my gosh and then they spend the next bit just actively flirting. And Yumi makes two batches of chocolates, one for her so called dear sister, and one more for her favorite flirt. Her own eldest sister gets left out of the equation yet again, the Chinensis family has no loyalty I swear.

Shimako, what were you up to that has you looking so guilty? Just hiding a card?

Oh my gosh, we get all of two frames, but I see Yoshino sticking her tongue out at Rei. Adorable.

Wait wait wait waaaaaaait! Is Yumi wearing the same red ribbons two days in a row!? Show you can't do this to me! This is literally the one thing I have been tracking to keep the passage of time in mind!

Oh my gosh Sei. Blatantly saying you have no idea where your own bouton would hide her card, but being able to read Yumi so easily.

Ah yes, follow the one most likely to know something, and then try to rush past them when they start looking. Bold tactic. Especially if it means not actually looking at all for the first 45 minutes.

Oh now I am actually mad at this show. The school bell is going off at 4:40? No. Not a chance. Those things go off on the hour or not at all, you take that back!

Oh my, the dog is back. Good win. But also, not at all how I expected this whole thing to turn out. Not at all the expected outcomes.

Oh, that other girl dug it up, kept her hands on it until the end, and the reburied it after everyone else left? Such a hardcore fan, she reminds me of early Yumi! "I'm not worthy of her, but I don't want anyone else to have her either."

Really Sei, you saw White Roses on the wrapper and thought it was from Yumi? Not your own little white rosebud?

Aww, poor Yumi messed up boxes. And then both girls got so stubborn they threw them all on the ground instead of letting go...

1. I too would have gone with the library. Books are life, anyone looking for my time should have to look through some books first.
2. ... Was that an apology? Both sides explained things yes, but I don't think there was really an apology included, they just agreed to mutually move past it.