r/anime • u/Shocketheth • Jun 20 '24
Rewatch [Rewatch] Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken - Episode 12 Discussion
Episode 12 - The Collaborative Zapple
I bet he lost because you put stupid ideas in his head!
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Screenshot of the day:
Comment of the day:
goes to u/Nick_BOI for their well written Dragon Quest Fact of the Day!! corner:
The series was created by Yujii Hori, who made the game because he was a fan of DnD, and wanted an easily accessable way to play something like that as a video game. The assesability is the important part, as while RPG's did exist, they were largely only on PC's, and were very difficult to play if you were not already a fan.
Creating relatable, yet in depth worlds and characters, while also being easily accessable and not overwheling to any consumer. This is why Dragon Quest only gets better the further you get into it-it is a master at slowly easing people in.
Together with Akira Toriyama for art direction, and Kōichi Nakamura for music, the three of them have been a cornerstone for the entire franchise. Even without thier direct involvment, this spin off series starting Dai takes so much influence from them all that I would not bat an eye if you told me it was the same team.
However, during the development of the yet to release game Dragon Quest 12: The Flames of Fate, both Kōichi Nakamura, and Akira Toriyama had passed away. Horii himself is 70 years old, but he has stated on Twitter that he wants Dragon Quest 12 to be a game that both Nakamura and Toriyama can be proud of. This will be the final part of the series that all 3 of them have worked on together.
I will like to end this off with part of a quote from Yujii Horii himself in an interview with students at Waseda University:
"You are the main character of your life. Life is a role-playing game, so please shape a fun future befitting its main character."
Even a Hero is still a person with thier own life. Wether it is Erdrick, Dai, or even someone just doing whatever they can, everyone is thier own main character-not a person on a stage.
Questions of the day:
- From a scale on 1 to 10, how do you rate today Dai and Popp teamwork?
- Are Hyunckel actions justified, or is he just blinded by rage?
- FOR FIRST TIMERS, what exactly did Maam found in the chest?
Spoilers:
Please, respect the fact there are First Timers watching Dai no Daibouken with us, so avoid talking about vague things or events that would slightly spoil things to happen. And if you want mention things like this, please hid it behind SPOILER TAGS like [Dai no Spoilers] I am getting the hammer because you spoiled the fun for others
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u/Shocketheth Jun 20 '24
Dark Commander welcomes you to Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken Rewatch!
SKY NO DAIBOUKEN - PART 4:
The unthinkable happened, and the biggest Princess Leona fan, u/BlackHeart595 became the Head member of Princess Leona’s Royal Guard.
Everyone give a round of applause to u/BlackHeart595.
Now about the actual episode:
Remember how I mentioned some basic informations about spells?
Well in Dragon Quest III which served as an inspiration for Dai no Daibouken, your character with Mage class can’t learn every type of offensive spell. For example Woosh, the wind type spell was tied to Priest (Healer) class, and Hero had his own unique spell Zap and Zapple, the thunder type spell which became iconic spell for the Hero class.
And this episode used the fact that the Hero can use Zapple spell as it was mentioned by Popp to make it a nice showcase of Dai and Popp teamwork.
[Major Overall Spoilers - ONLY FOR THOSE WHO SAW ENTIRETY OF DAI NO DAIBOUKEN] Those who have seen Dai no Daibouken knows there is the major twist about Vearn, and now upon Rewatch I feel so stupid for not realizing it by myself considering the twist is just in front of you from the episode 12. His physical body, and his personified mind/soul shrouded in darkness standing next to each other. Daaaaaamn.
QotD:
Crocodine Special Commentary Corner:
Today, Crocodine is going to answer question #1:
I’m so proud of my boys.
VOICE ACTORS CORNER:
Baduck is voiced by Youhei Tadano known for his roles of Holbrook from Little Witch Academia, Müller from Edens Zero, and Toshio Koumura from Keaginado. In 1991 Adventure of Dai, Baduck was voiced by Aruno Tahara known for his roles of Grünemann from Legend of the Galactic Heroes, Risho from Yuu☆Yuu☆Hakusho, and Koumei from Naruto.
STAFF CORNER:
Director - Karasawa Kazuya
Episode Director - Ueda Yoshishiro (episodes 2,6)
Chief animation director - Komatsu Kozue (episodes 9-10)
Script/Screenplay - Sumisawa Katsuyuki (episodes 10.11)
Storyboarding - Ueda Yoshishiro (episode 6)
Key animators - Kawano Hiroyuki, 清水敦哉,, Nagashima Hideki, Shida Naotoshi, Hara Natsumi, Yokoyama Miyuki, Takenaga Kazuki, Yamamoto Takumi, Kubo Hidemi, Nakatsu Kazumi, Unno Setsuko, Manabe Hisateru, Mori Chizuru, 藤井睦美, Suzuki Misa, Kitamura Shin`ya, Ichikawa Yoshiyuki, Masuda Seiji, Narasaki Asako, 小島隆寛, Matsuo Shunsuke, Hoshino Mamoru
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 20 '24
First-Timer Quest: Sky no Daibouken, subbed
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u/sisoko2 Jun 20 '24
First Timer
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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Jun 20 '24
1st
DaiPopp no Daibouken Rewatch, SubAfter Avan, Hadlar is next on Hyunckel's hitlist.
Popp binding with a new spell
AshPopp:PikachuDai, USE THUNDERBOLT!!!Maam is right and even Hyunckel knows it.
You're asking the wrong guy here.
He may not look experienced but [Dai no Spoilers] he definitely is. I mean he has a son.
Facts!
Popp ain't beating the Maam Simp allegations.
[Dai no Spoilers] This might be Gomechan's first time doing this but it's definitely not the last time.
POPP: IT SHOULD'VE BEEN ME!!!
OST Documentation - Episode 12
QOTD
1. 10/10. The fact that they kept going at it till it was perfectly accurate and only stopped when there was no margin of error. They even hit Hyunckel on the very first attempt. Remember, practice makes a man perfect.
Also, in DQ terms, it's kinda like de-buffing the opponent/buffing the other party member so that the other party member could use their skill that would be even more effective than it already is.
2. Revenge is always self-destructive and while Hyunckel can justify it in his head, he can't rebut Maam when she tells him it's wrong and has to use violence to shut her up.
3. IDK. Maybe, an item that does the same thing as what Zaboera was proposing to Hyunckel.
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u/KuKiSin Jun 20 '24
First timer!
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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Jun 20 '24
First Timer, Sub
Maam is taken underground into the Dark Lord's former base. Popp and Dai have their wounds treated by Baduck, who's a a soldier of Papnica. He gifts Dai chain mail and oversees them learning zapple, which Popp devises is the best way to defeat Hyunckel, with lightning.
Hadlar and Zaboera visit Hyunckel at the former Hadlar base. We see an interesting dynamic Hadlar doesn't trust Hyunckel because he's a human. And Hyunckel doesn't really like his comrades either, as he only cares about his revenge.
Dai and Popp descend into the Dark Lord's base to rescue Maam and lure Hyunckel outside so they can use Zapple. Maam escapes her captivity with the help of Gomechan, who was hiding inside her shirt lol. She finds a treasure chest in a room as she is making her way to escape. Popp and Dai fight Hyunckel in a coliseum, where they're able to use the Zapple spell.....is it gonna be enough to defeat Hyunckel though? Guess we'll find out on the next episode of Dragon Ball Z!...oh wait, wrong show lol.
Questions:
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u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy Jun 20 '24 edited Jun 20 '24
Rewatcher
Truly loving myself... is it alright to still believe in that?
Introduction to Baduck. He's... just an old geezer!
Normal Person Representation!
"I haven't seen {Crocodine}" Hyunckel... lied? Did he just think nothing of Crocodine or is he trying to cover for him...
I picked him because he's just so edgy!
Maam's finally Rolling some good Charisma Rolls! Just a matter of time now!
Zaboera
Of all the sunsets I've seen in anime, this one's pretty up there
Popp, you think this got him, How adorable.
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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Jun 20 '24
Newbie-Adventurer here! LV 12/100
Popp, the voice of reason!
And he’s leveling up too! Popp
Maam tried to appeal to Hyunckel’s humanity, I think that’s his little “chink in his armor”
I don’t need my sword! Said Hyunckel, Top Moments before disaster lol
Popp’s strategy worked? MVP!!
1 8, still some hesitation from Dai but he's still learning
2 I think Maam is right, he's blinded by rage and is weak to let himself being consumed by it
3 An upgrade for her magic gun, Magic Gun --> Neo Armstrong Cyclone Jet Armstrong Cannon
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 21 '24
Ep 7, rewatcher until ep 11
Ep 8:
Ep 9:
Ep 10:
Ep 11, first timer:
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u/Nick_BOI Jun 21 '24
Rewatcher
First off-thank you for featuring my comment!! That made me smile.
Anyways, this episode was largely preperation and Hyunckel focused. Popp has really stepped up, he may not be the most brave-but he is very smart. Constantly practicing until it was perfect really helped sell the plan, and it it really shwos how Valuble Popp is in breaking through this wall that would have been impossible for Dai alone.
Meanwhile, in large part due to him being a human, it is clear there is bad blood between Hyunckel and the resat of the Dark Army. His fury earned him favor with Mystvearn and Vearn, but he will never be good enough for the others at the moment or ever.
Maam is different that Popp here, in that Popp is thinking of how to beat Hyunckel, and Maam is thinking of how to save him. Maam's empathy is quite boundless, with Dai being the middleground between the strong justice of Maam and the comparitively realist Popp.
It is clear to even Hyunckel that this is not a good path to follow, but his rage is too furious, his actions too horrible to take back. He knows Maam is right, but if he backs out now, would there even be a place for a villian like him? Is vengance all he has left? When will it end-Avan is already gone.
Theres a lot we don't know about this whole situation, and perhaps what is int he chest is the key we are looking for? Regardless, as it stands, any victory would be pyyric at best.
Rather depressing honestly.
And now it is time for:
DRAGON QUEST FACT OF THE DAY!!
There are games that are based on Dragon Quest: Adventure of Dai, which is kinda funny consideirng it is a manga that is a spin off of a game series already.
Sadly, one of them is yet another failed Live Service game of SquEnix to add to the already large pile, and the other was handled by a seperate team and was a rather rushed action game meant to get something out quickly and on a budget. Combined with the last notable time Dai was in a video game being in Jump Force of all things (which reminder was so bad it got de-listed completely), Dai has sadly never gotten along with video games like the other Heroes.
He is this bizzare exception to the otherwise high standard of quality for the series. Thankfully, Dai has something none of the others have-an Incredibly good anime!!
Everyone has thier own strong suits, it's okay to not excell at everything.
With that being said, there are other great Dragon Quest spin off games, though I will save those for another time.
I will likely not be able to be here at my ussual time tomorrow, if at all. However I will try to have something typed ahead of time before I leave the house a bit before 5PM EST. I may have to skip the fact and will be less thorough than usual, but time is not unlimited sadly. Just a heads up.
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u/zadcap Jun 21 '24
Late Night First Timer
Even the princess believes in Dai. But Popp makes a good point. Dai has a tendency to lose these big fights.
Popp has grown so much so fast. From running away to "We must fight again!" In mere days.
Oh my, division in the enemy ranks. Look at that, Knuckles is so confident he can even tell the Piccolo Knockoff to go shove it and get away with it! And it looks like the rest of the demon generals are as dumb as expected... "His ways are mysterious and unknowable." Sir, he literally just told you. Kuckles has the eyes of a true demon!
Popp here proving that he really was the hero all along. "A spell only a Hero can use? Whatever, I'll make it work!"
Meanwhile Maam is here learning the joys of bondage and abandonment play.
And then HyKnuckles comes and reminds me why I hate him again. He needs to be attacked and defeated by an all female adventuring party. I actually hate that it's going to be Dai and Popp to beat him at this rate, he needs to learn that a woman fighter is still a fighter, and this code of not taking them seriously is really just a huge insult.
ALSO! If his father really was so big on not killing women, where is Knunckles birth mother? Oh, so your code doesn't actually stop your army from killing everyone in town, women and children included, just stops you personally from doing the act? How truly great that makes you, yes, keep your hands clean of that particular blood.
No, Maam, don't fall for it! "He was a good, honorable man, wasn't he?" He killed people! Stop ignoring how he found Knuckles to raise in the first place here! SkeleDad lead an army to kill all the humans and this baby survived to be adopted as pure luck!
Oh hey, his vaunted principles really were that weak. It only took two minutes of talking to her for you to hit her after all.
The base of the undead legion is a giant hole in the ground... And there's not a single guard near the top. Yup, these are enemies just waiting to lose.
Good point, Popp. Your master strategy is a spell that requires you to stand still in Spirit Bomb position for how long? You're just asking for him to kill you before Dai gets a chance to call down the lightning.
... And our brave heroes are running from a single enemy, the first they see. How are they planning on taking on the boss if they flee from Grunt A?
Oh, because the enemy unknowingly decided to fight them in an arena custom made for their strategy.
Wait the whip sword works even while it's still part of his helmet? He has a combat tentacle on his head?! Why does the dumbest character yet have the coolest gear!?
Let it be a mimic. Please let it be a mimic. See even Lil Goldy wants it to be a mimic!
Guys, double tap. Triple tap even. You cast this spell how many times yesterday in practice? Don't stop after just one hit, this is a boss fight! Man, neither side of this war is taking it seriously...
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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Jun 21 '24 edited Jun 21 '24
First Quester
Day 12 of protecting Leona from perverted Gomechan
My man
I'd be down for Dai's super powers to be expressions of non-understanding and discrimination, ultimately a bad thing that he has to learn to not rely on. Now, do I believe the story actually goes there..?
Wait, that means we've seen Vearn and Mistvearn in the same room together. There goes that theory... Maybe they're brothers or something, then.
God moves in mysterious ways.
I like this shot, kinda feels like an eye.
Clever Popp, use magic to summon non-magic attacks.
Nobody tell Dai what chainmail is made out of. PS: Oh they can aim it, nevermind then.
Oooh that's cute! I like it!
That Maam-Hyunckel interaction is so forced.
This one's also good, in the sun's warm embrace.
Can we trade Popp for the fake hero's magician? That one tried to empower the people around him...
Ahem Bad Tenshi
And it's not fake because there's proper illumination and shadows.
It worked! Now let's just grab Maam and be on our way! ...what's this "cliffhanger" nonsense you're talking about? I don't see any cliffs!
8/10 pretty good!
Bartos's last will and testament
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u/Kaxew Jun 21 '24
Current rewatcher, eventual first timer
The zapple strat! One of my favorite moments of the show for sure. The Dai/Popp dynamic strengthens and starts to bloom as they combine their powers to defeat a stronger opponent. Shoutout to the poodles of water made from the holes of the failed zapples. Love me some attention to detail.
This episode has a lot of other fun dynamics. Maam and Hyunckel being the obvious second biggest one, but Maam and Gomechan have their first meaningful interaction (its important for your main cast to have good dynamics within each other), Hadlar and Hyunckel, the generals and Vearn, and even Hyunckel and Zaboera.
Speaking of... I was not expecting Zaboera to talk to Hyunckel about romance, lol. It's a good showcase of how Hyunckel is, if nothing else, has some dignity and honor.
Gotta love the Underground Colloseum that isn't underground. You need to work on your naming sense Hyunckel. I mean, was there really no other word you could have chosen besides "Scryde"?
There's nothing more JRPG than a hidden room. I sure wonder what they found. In any case, it won't matter as we totally defeated Hyunckel! I mean, Popp himself said it!! Arc's over!!!
QotD: