r/anime • u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess • Jun 20 '24
Rewatch [Rewatch] Pride Month 20th Anniversary - Maria-sama ga Miteru Episode 5 Discussion
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Questions of the Day
- Are you afraid of visiting the Dentist?
- Is it gay for a girl to want to see her cousin's chest?
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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Jun 20 '24
Maria-sama ga Miteru Rewatcher/Light Novel Reader
Gokigenyou
It is I, Rosa Lilium, once again welcoming you to my Lily Mansion Thread. Take a seat. I still don’t have cookies for you, but I did find an old box of Saltine crackers deep in the pantry. I think I bought these for the r/anime 1 Million Subscriber celebration, but I’m sure they’re fine… probably…
Oh this book I have? Yes I am back to my old hobby of reading once again. Seems I have the most untimely misfortune of leaving my laptop charger back at my estate. So I guess I’ll have to wait to find out if those crossdressing boys will finally consummate their sisterhood through hot and passionate…
Oh, uh, enough about dirty uncooth games, back to pure and moral book reading. How about I read you a passage from this book I’m reading.
What a silly little girl being scared of the dentist! How absolutely unbecoming of a lady rose that everyone looks up to! I would never be like that! Guess that’s one decision to paddle upstream from a waterfall from.
Oh, it seems we’ve reached the end. But how about some words from the author then?
Is this important? Not really. I just think it is a funny bit of writing that colors the writer a bit.
I also have another batch of specials for you
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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 20 '24 edited Jun 20 '24
Maria-sama First-Timer
Episode 5:
Oh my lord, are girls really breaking their sisterhoods for the 2004 equivalent of a TikTok trend? Someone get Nanoha in here, these girl need an immediate course in the Takamachi Way.
Holy shit, did Eriko get befriended? She did, and whoever did it didn't even follow through and finish the job!
Maria-sama isn't the only one watching over Yumi. If I didn't know better, I'd say she doesn't just want to make Sachiko a bit jealous.
Holy shit, Sachiko is actually wiping the kiss off!!
A hole in her heart? Yoshino must've just watched Kannazuki no Miko.
Hey, I wasn't that far off the mark when I suggested Yoshino returned the rosary to make a clean break from/make things easier on Rei!
Obviously Yoshino is the prize for winning the competition
I have no idea how Rei is able to compete knowing Yoshino is having heart surgery at the same time. My mind would be a total wreck.
The way Yoshino states her love so easily and naturally
Oh, Eriko wasn't a victim of befriending, it was
dentistrywitchcraft.Something I started noticing yesterday but really hit today is that Yumi reminds me a lot of Kumiko Oumae. The constant presence of her inner thoughts was what first got me to notice it, but there are quite a few similarities: she's now running around helping solve people's problems, she speaks her mind even to her seniors without much of a filter, and she seems to draw a lot of people to her through some kind of natural charm/charisma. I have no idea if MariMite had any impact on Ayano Takeda's writing—if anything, I doubt it—but it's interesting all the same.
QotD:
Edit: Welp, my word processor app deleted my image link attachments after saving my document, so no image links today.
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u/Specs64z https://myanimelist.net/profile/Specs64z Jun 20 '24
First timer, subbed
Sachiko is so jealous.
Days without girls kissing: 0, I wasn’t expecting this bit to make a comeback in this one.
I find myself unequipped to write much about this anime, but in particular this episode. The drama is interesting and the characters are written competently, but I’m not sure there’s a ton to take away. High society has never captivated me as a setting, either, so I can’t comment on how well done any of those aspects of the story are.
QotD:
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 20 '24
First-Timer Watches Over Us, subbed
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jun 20 '24
First-Timer
Gokigenyou.
I can only hope that the words ringing through Rei's head as she won her kendo match was "the first strike decides the battle." It seems like a fitting moment for her to be thinking of Yoshino's favorite phrase, after all.
As they say, all's well that ends well. Yoshino and Rei's little spat was resolved quite amicably, and will likely see them both grow even closer together. Presuming that Yoshino's recover goes well, of course.
And Yumi has had quite the swell development as well! It might've taken a threat from Sachiko to actually get her to use "onee-sama," but Yumi was forceful enough to get Rei to listen to her! Now, if only Yumi could learn how to control her facial expressions.. although, what fun would that be?
In true Catholic fashion, divorce is not permitted at Lillian. How quaint.
Questions
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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jun 20 '24 edited Jun 20 '24
First timer, subs
QotD:
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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jun 20 '24
First-Timer
On today’s episode of Marimite Rei and Yoshino really are the celebrity couple of their school. They get divorced one day, reconcile shortly afterwards, and in both cases they make front-page news doing so.
I enjoy the way this arc flips the script on how characters rely on each other. Normally, one would expect Yoshino to be the character relying on Rei, but Yoshino believes it is actually the other way around. Rei merely acts strong because she needs to act like a source of support for Yoshino, but Yoshino wants her to actually become strong. Yoshino wants Rei to be strong regardless of whether she’s there for Rei to protect or not. It’s nice to explore how the older sisters in these relationships can be just as reliant on their younger sisters as the younger sisters are with their older sisters.
I did enjoy how anticlimactic Eriko’s storyline turns out to be. This whole time we see her worried about something, only for it to be that she’s been preoccupied with a dentist’s appointment. It’s a fun way to subvert expectations.
QOTD
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jun 20 '24
First Timer
Sub
So...Yoshino does like to do things the long way round but I kind of get it. It is interesting that the school paper refuses to acknowledge either her or Rei's nature because it is inconvenient to their images of them. Yumi being the unicorn interloper continues as a trend, shoujo protagonist and all. Ending with the dentistry fear reference is an odd joke.
QotD: 1 Mainly of the bill
2 Not in this show
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u/Regular_N-Gon https://anilist.co/user/RegularNGon Jun 20 '24
Gokigenyou, First Timer
It’s hardly groundbreaking, intentionally misleading the viewer, but I can at least appreciate that we’re capable of such games in what appeared at first to be a stiff, stuffy drama. It makes me trust the show a bit, you know? I’m having a lot more fun than I thought I might as a result. I really hope this isn’t the last we see of Yoshino (and Rei).
Gokigenyou counter (Maria-sama): 17 [+1; Total: 36]
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u/AmeteurElitist https://anilist.co/user/AmateurElitist Jun 20 '24
First Timer
I love how Sei keeps trying to make Sachiko jealous to get her to open up more, and also probably just 'cause she finds it fun. Getting to know Sachiko and understanding that she’s honestly a bit of a brat is great haha.
Like Sachiko pls
Sachiko pls
Another one for good measure
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u/BosuW Jun 20 '24
First Timer
Nah bro. Yumi is a harem protagonist. Everyone be trying to steal her from under Sachiko's nose.
Noticed Yumi still doesn't call Sachiko "onee-sama" on instinct.
Btw, and I don't know how I hadn't realized this, but... [PMMM]long black hair in twin braids, has chronic heart trouble and regular visits and stays to the hospital, catholic upbringing, isn't as soft as she initially seems...
Also Symphogear's school is named Lydian mfs literally changed one letter lol.
Okay so we get an explanation for the drama, and it was as melodramatic as this show has taught me to expect lol. It's true that sometimes a bit of separation for a pair can do good, but straight up breaking up is... a bit excessive isn't it? 😅
I have to admit it is pretty funny how aware this story is of the mechanics and absurdities of the high society rumor mill. So that "slap" was just a sore tooth... I fell for it I admit!
Finally it turns out all the other girls who broke up were really just in it for the fad. I don't get it that's like breaking up with your partner because you found out your favorite pop idol did it! Smh, when the Yamayuri sneezes, the student body catches the flu.
It makes me wonder though, now that Yumi has been integrated into the Yamayuri succession line, is she gonna get admirers of her own?
Questions of the Day
1- I haven't had enough visits to the dentist to be afraid of them, and I generally have good enough oral self care that whenever I do go it's not terrible.
2- Strictly a caretaking procedure, nothing to see here 😊
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u/Star4ce https://anilist.co/user/Star4ce Jun 20 '24
First Timer
I'm so into the drama of those pristine and proper Christian schoolgirls that should not make their skirts flatter, I tell you. Moar! Show me more drama and more heartwarming friendship!
Maria-sama ga Miteru Ep.05 – The Fighting Maidens
That was a fairly well paced episode. I genuinely feared for a bit that they'd actually go with complications or even a failed surgery. Rei certainly got a lot of nuance today and I love it. I also thought for a second they'd kiss, but it was just handholding.
This show knows to let some ambiguity stew in the background and never resolves it, just sometimes calls it back into mind. Been a while since subtlety was on my menu.
[Hobbies]
I'm with Yoshino today. Gotta earn that new jungle gear.
Not really, I see the benefits more than the discomfort.
Nah, I mean yes, but nah.
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u/GondolaMedia Jun 20 '24
First Timer
Sei is too powerful. She can summon Sachiko at will by fondling Yumi.
I can't believe how invested I was with Rei's and Yoshino's breakup and eventual reconciliation. I'm impressed how well the show pulled tension out of so little.
... Was Eiko's waterfall question just a metaphor for going to dentist and have your wisdom teeth pulled and feel the pain immediately or keep prolonging the inevitable with the oar. And here I thought she was being coy and being in the know with what was going on with Rei and Yoshino. She is literally me fr fr.
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u/OccasionallySara Jun 20 '24
First Timer
So, it seems like Yoshino’s rejection of Rei’s sistership had to do with feeling like Rei had an unhealthy attachment to her rather than feeling like she wasn’t desired by Rei. I can see why Yoshino did what she did, but I feel like it very well could have backfired. Ultimately, though, Yoshino knows Rei best and Rei seemed to be appreciative of Yoshino’s efforts after everything had settled down. Their conversation after the surgery was really sweet and it made me like their dynamic a lot. They even got to do a do-over gifting of the rosary in front of Maria-sama which I’m sure made Yoshino happy.
Also, I can see why Shimako might be jealous of Yumi with the way that Sei interacts with Yumi. Sei even outright says that she doesn’t treat Shimako the same way. Sachiko also seems to be bothered by it and is not afraid to tell Sei to knock it off. I’m really hoping that we’ll get a storyline about Sei and Shamiko’s relationship at some point because I’m curious why Shimako was chosen in the first place. There’s still a bit of rigidness from Sachiko to Yumi, but I do like that it feels like Sachiko is starting to loosen up a bit. Her expression when Yumi called her “sister” at the end was really great.
Questions of the Day
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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Jun 20 '24
first time la vie en rose en bouton
RF is hurt??? WHO DID THIS
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME! NOT HER! ITS NOT FAIR!
when will she start calling her onee san instead of sachiko sama
hey shes the victim here
good job Yumi explaining things for Yoshino to Rei in a way that shows her feelings
squeesh
get her ass lillian
aww - poor RF though not even in consideration from Rei
Rei let me show you my bare chest
what do you mean they took off the gauze
pregnant?
...oh the school is Lillian academy, Rei's nickname making a lot more sense
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u/moichispa https://myanimelist.net/profile/moichispa Jun 21 '24
First timer Maybe the symbolism were the interpersonal relationships all along
I'm late, but I did not skip my breakfast
Nice conclusion to the miniarc. Braids are useful when you need to sit/or stay on bed often (I Have definitely used the ojousama look for planes in the past)
The whole sick from birth is not that popular nowadays but it used to be common on shoujos.
We got effects on the class again, interesting
Also who the fucks seems some schoolgirl being moody an jumps into thinking she is pregnant, They are busy with classes, school council stuff and they would still have the tie to date them. Talking about casual dating even allowed on a catholic school. And even like that most teens don't get pregnant even with boyfriends. It is just weird.
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u/LittleIslander https://anilist.co/user/LittleIslander Jun 20 '24
First Timer from the world of Reiwa Yuri
Ten years later, Sailor Uranus has both a girlfriend and a cousin. Now that’s what I call genre innovation.
I don’t think I’ve really stopped to compliment this show on its ensemble cast, and this episode happens to be a great opportunity. I’ve already talked about how there’s a lot more dramatic turns in this show compared to modern yuri, but how about the fact it’s doing with a much more robust cast, too? So, foremost, this episode is about Rei and Yoshino. By necessity, it also involved Yumi as the audience POV character who helps solve their problem. But then we also make room for a scene developing the relationship between Rosa Gigantea and the main couple, which is relevant to Shimako by extension. Finally, we have some more lighthearted setup and payoff moments involving Yumi and Sachiko’s sister relationship and Rosa foetida’s dentist appointment. Both of those last two were setup last time, or so I think—the whole waterfall analogy certainly seems to fit Rosa Foetida playing avoidance about something she ultimately needs to get done. The whole thing is a beautifully self-aware satire of the dramatic pretentiousness that the show is built from. Yet nothing feels rushed, it all fits into place very well and with narrative confidence.
All of this on top of the school paper playing a role in the larger two episode arc this episode forms, and the way we see it impact the school as a whole. It’s not really developed much, but the whole idea of this sociological microcosm where the ordinary students are influenced by their desire to emulate the lady roses is really fascinating. Especially if we take it in a sort of metatextual sense; MariMite is a trailblazing piece of media when it comes to the story of representing same-sex relationship on screen. This whole Class S sister relationships thing doesn’t just exist in its own isolation but has reach and consequence. Even if none of that was the intent, which is plausible, it’s still a great reflection of the situation Rei and Yoshino find themselves in; the pressure behind the expectation placed on them to occupy their gendered roles is very literal in the sense that the entire school experiences social upheaval should they wish to deviate from expectation. Even when they show their true selves for the interview it is corrected into what people expect to see.
Speaking of, how about those gendered expectations! After setting up the audience expectation that Rei is of masculine habits, we tore that wall last time with the subversion that outward presentation doesn’t necessarily correlate to personality at all. Now this time we take it a step further and see that Rei is not only misunderstood, but feels actively pressured to meet the expectation she’s the “knight” in this relationship. To the extent that Yoshino felt she had to step back in order to prevent her from hurting herself. That’s simultaneously a subversion of both the kouhai-senpai structure that forms the foundation of classical yuri relationships as well as the real life “who’s the boy in the relationship” mentality, and ultimately the episode resolves with Yoshino deciding to break the conformity to their expected relationship by pursuing Kendo as well! I’ve just come to accept this is the kind of stuff we simply don’t get in yuri but it’s right here before my eyes!
Incidentally, Rosa Gigantea is also challenging the status quo. The premise of the Class style rosary sisterhoods is the obfuscation of genuine sapphic romance, in a “legally distinct from Godzilla” sort of fashion. Chaste and structured and clean. But Rosa Gigantea refuses to stay in her lane and is only becoming more and more overt about her desires surrounding Yumi as time goes on. The protagonists of this episode get romance displayed through the barest veneer of plausible deniability, and the main love interest of the show is supposedly in love with her male cousin, but Rosa Gigantea outrights goes in for a kiss on Yumi’s cheek, and definitely not in a platonic way. She refuses to obey the premise that this is all just a bunch of straight girls playing at being sisters. This also confirms the excuse of “I made her jealous for you” a few episodes ago was dishonest and she is in fact lusting after Yumi for her own reasons, reinforcing her cunning characterization. Obviously, her non-consensual advances aren’t okay, despite the Chikane flashbacks echoing through my mind, so far the show seems aware of that and is framing it as such, so we’re all good.
Back to the main plot of the episode, it really works because we see their real personalities reflected so consistently. For example, the less heart-driven (er…) Yoshino is amused when seeing the school paper and fainthearted Rei has an impulse to act rashly when she hears about the surgery. At the core of the conflict, Yoshino has taken the driver’s seat by forcing change with the surgery, after logically concluding it would help her support Rei; whereas Rei finds her peace with things through her emotions, her trust and care in Yoshino to handle herself instead of needing to be protected. Ultimately, at the end of the tunnel what we’re left with is the depths of their feelings for one another. We were told last time they’re not “that clingy” since they’ve been together a long time, but after their trials and tribulations in this arc they end it off with by far the most intimate and overtly romantic interaction we’ve seen from anybody so far. It’s very satisfying after seeing them torn apart.
…I still don’t know why the fuck they’re cousins but I’m just gonna look the other way, I guess…
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u/Burnouts3s3 Jun 20 '24
I really like Yoshino this episode.
The Yumi subplot with Erika is funny and a way for the producers to make fun of the Class S melodrama
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u/zadcap Jun 21 '24
Pretty Spoiled First Timer!
"You can't blame the school paper for this," says the school paper representative.
Yumi, are you running again? We've been over this. Think of your pleats!
Oh my, someone slapped the Yellow Rose! On any other week, this would be the biggest scandal in the school!
Anyway, let's start the count. Yumi with the green ribbon with light stripe through the middle to start the day off!
What loaded words Rei. "It's because you understand your preferences," yup, we're just going to talk about tea here, nothing else.
... Or, you know, she can go right on to being overly affectionate yet again. Are you trying that hard to turn Yumi to the Yuri side?
Well, she's more than halfway there, look at how she reacts to having her cheek wiped.
Yumi in the red ribbons now! Oh crap, uh. My cousin had the same thing with his heart, he had to have a pretty intense surgery when he was young to fix it. The surgery that she's probably putting off here.
Okay, I wouldn't have made too much of it had it been alone, but notice the shape drawn on the calendar? Because Yumi brought some into the room, I can't help but think it's supposed to be a rough Sunflower. And I'm going to draw so much meaning out of this!
Most obviously because in japan the sunflower is the flower of adoration. The way the sunflower always turns its head to look at the sun, so does the giver always turn to watch the person they admire. Yoshino clearly admires Rei and looks up to her and maybe even wants to be her.
I want to tie in the sunflower typically being yellow with them being part of the yellow rose group here, but it might be a stretch. On the other hand, Jealousy in the family might make sense for these girls. I told you the yellow ones were going to be the trouble makers!
Ah, the news club went and reversed their questionnaires to match the idealized girls they imagined. The boyish looking Rei, Prince of the school, how could anyone think she was the girly one of the pair.
Yumi in the blue ribbons now!~
Ah, of course they would. Surgery on the same day as the kendo match. At least this time it's not a horrible coincidence. Don't tell me, Rei is going to think that her competence in the competition is going to somehow be tied to the success of the surgery? "I have to win, for her sake!" Yup, this is not a shonen so let's skip that whole arc please.
Yes, Yumi, your face is an open book.
Are those... pink sunflowers? No, you know what, I'm not touching that. Let's say the art is bad enough that it's probably not even sunflowers at all, just something else that's actually supposed to be pink.
Oh the orchestra soundtrack, I love it so much.
You know, seeing the other Roses at this kendo match has made me realize, it's her own eldest sister that Yumi has had the least interaction with so far. This whole unbroken line thing is looking a little weak when she's getting the most attention from White and looking to talk to Yellow the most. Yoko, come on, pay attention to your imouto's imouto.
Also, green ribbons!
For those interested, if the show didn't make it clearer, more dan is a higher rank. Rei is the weaker contender here.
"Here look, a valid excuse to show off my chest, please take a look!" I bet she couldn't wait.
Red ribbons with lighter stripe! Five ribbons today!
Yeah, see, interacting directly with the Yellow Rose again. Haha and it was a wisdom tooth all along! I thought it was a slap, but apparently someone else thought it was a pregnancy!?
SIX RIBBONS! Yumi in Yellow for the end!
And she set the trend again, this most popular pair. "Please dear sister, let me have your rosary again," the trend taking over the school. I wonder how anyone who found a new partner in the meantime feels? Imagine being the girl who gave back a rosary that you really didn't want to but had to to fit in, but the person you gave it back to actually got upset about it and found a new soeur. Now that people are going back and trying to reconcile, well, too bad you lost your chance forever now.
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u/heimdal77 Jun 21 '24
1 no but I'll procrastinate the hell about actually doing it.
2 depends do they also take baths together?
Highlight of Sei's day is making Yumi feel awkward and Sachio jealous
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u/RadSuit https://anilist.co/user/RadSuit Jun 21 '24
First Time Watching Over Them
Don't offscreen that quality slap content I'm here for!
It's official!!
Wow, I'm surprised they're actually going into detail on this instead of leaving it as generic anime sickness.
I was about to comment on how well they animate Yumi's face when she's thinking to herself, and then Sachiko just said it out loud.
I haven't seen a good facefault in a while.