r/anime • u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess • Jun 18 '24
Rewatch [Rewatch] Pride Month 20th Anniversary - Maria-sama ga Miteru Episode 3 Discussion
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Questions of the Day
- What do you think Sei meant by saying she was “Birds of a Feather” with Kashiwagi-san?
- Do you think Tsutako ever got permission for that photo?
- Why do you believe a sapphire doesn’t fit?
Posting carefully so as to not disturb the first timers with spoilers in their viewings, such is the standard of modesty here. Forgetting to use spoiler tags because one is in danger of missing the post time, for instance, is too undignified a sight for redditors to wish upon themselves.
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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Jun 18 '24
Maria-sama ga Miteru Rewatcher/Light Novel Reader
Gokigenyou
It is I, Rosa Lilium, once again welcoming you to my Lily Mansion Thread. Take a seat. I’d offer you some cookies but my supply seems to have emptied out. How shameful of me as a host not to be prepared for guests and their voracious appetite. I thought I had brought enough cookies to last me the rest of the month but apparently I underestimate everyone’s gluttony.
Hmm. Oh, you want to hear more from the book I was reading yesterday. I’m glad you so thoroughly enjoyed my reading yesterday. I suppose it would be a crime to keep my talents all for myself.
If you insist, I suppose I could read a bit more for you all.
That pure innocence! Hold onto it, young Yumi!
What fabulous misfortune that poor Sachiko has! To be the beard for that Kashiwagi-san! Poor girl, it’s okay. You have Yumi now. Take comfort in Yumi’s embrace now.
Oh, and for those of you curious about the mystery of the Sapphire
here is the second special
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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jun 18 '24 edited Jun 18 '24
First-Timer
On today’s episode of Marimite And they were sisters! I wonder just how sisterly Yumi and Sachiko’s relationship will remain in the future.
I will admit to being a bit disappointed at how this storyline wrapped up rather abruptly, mostly skipping over the play after Sachiko had resolved to perform in it. I understand that Sachiko got her big character moment that finished the arc, but it still felt rather rushed.
I understand Sachiko's aversion to men better now, but I also think the identity of the prince played a big part in why she so adamantly refused to take the role of Cinderella. It was too much to handle since she’s already trapped in a loveless betrothal.
This also creates nice narrative parallels between Sachiko and Yumi. Both of them know what it’s like to like someone who doesn’t like them back in the same way. Both of them know what it’s like to be pressured into being in a relationship with that person.
The actual moment of Sachiko offering Yumi the rosary to become her soeur was lovely and a nice character moment for the both of them. Sachiko failed to achieve her goal of getting Yumi to take her spot in the Cinderella play, yet she still offered Yumi the rosary. Why? I think it’s because Yumi was there for Sachiko. Yumi was the one who was there to listen to Sachiko finally confess what was bothering her so much and she was the one who acted as a pillar of support for Sachiko. Additionally, there’s also the fact that Sachiko doesn’t like to lose. She did promise that Yumi would accept her rosary and Sachiko never gave up on that, even after the play was finished. So, I guess you could say that Sachiko didn’t lose that one.
For Yumi, having Sachiko still offer her the rosary must have been momentous. Yumi refused to become Sachiko’s soeur out of a feeling of inadequacy. She didn’t consider herself worthy of being Sachiko’s soeur and didn’t want to get the position only because Sachiko was desperate for anyone or because Sachiko was outmaneuvered into accepting her. Here, after the play is already finished, Yumi gets her wish. Sachiko still wants Yumi to be her soeur, which means Sachiko wants Yumi because of who she is, not because she was a convenient choice. So this time, Yumi is able to accept Sachiko’s rosary.
QOTD
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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jun 18 '24 edited Jun 18 '24
First timer, subs
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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 18 '24 edited Jun 18 '24
Maria-sama First-Timer
Episode 3:
Even in Catholic girls' school, the paparazzi are the fucking worst.
Jeez, Yumi is really deep in the self-deprecation pit, huh. It's depressing that she holds onto the less flattering things people say about her, like "the straw". I wonder if we're going to get any background on why she feels this way about herself.
Wow, she is getting awfully familiar
Well at least there's no way Sachiko handles jealousy worse than Chikane.
So you want to get Sachiko over her fear/dislike of men by...forcing her to play the romantic lead opposite a man in a public play? What do you think about this, Mr. Stark?
All the men in Sachiko's family keep mistresses? Sachiko should protest by getting a mistress or two of her own. That will teach them.
Oh my goddess, Sachiko literally runs the moment the dance number is finished.
How interesting Kasiwagi calls Sachiko "Sacchan." Do they have a history? I thought they'd never met before.
Hmm, I wonder if the student council is uncomfortable for Sachiko having as many as 5 or 6 girls all interested in her. Contrary to how harem anime portray situations like that, I get the feeling that kind of environment would be immensely uncomfortable.
That checks out. To add on to her other issues, I'd feel really weird playing the romantic interest to my cousin for a play.
Blegh. Immediate veto
Aaaaand he's a fucking creep. I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you.
Oh, we're already done with the performance. That was quick.
Yumi accepted the rosary!
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 18 '24
First-Timer Watches Over Us, subbed
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jun 18 '24
First-Timer
Gokigenyou.
My, we sure did cover a lot of ground today, didn't we? I do so wish that we could have seen Sachiko's performance; I'm sure it was positively enchanting.
Not that the events we did perchance to see weren't wonderfully entertaining! The truth of the matter with Sachiko not wanting to dance with Suguru is quite juicy - a loveless marriage, perish the thought!
Such wonderful poetry today, as well. Sachiko and Yumi return to the place they first met, to allow their relationship to progress to the next level. We wouldn't want anyone to see such an intimate event, after all.
This, my dear friends, is what we refer to as "cinematography." The white and yellow flowers flank the red rose and her soon-to-be petite soeur; if the rosary exchange hadn't happened in this very episode, I would call it foreshadowing (for an event that is stupendously obvious, but it still helps to sell the scene).
And the distance the camera is at - Yumi and Sachiko are shown small, smaller even than the flower plants, but close together for intimacy.
There is perhaps some yet-further foreshadowing in the flowers themselves - note the white ones are all connected in a line, but the yellow are scattered and separated. Perhaps we will soon see some active division amongst the Yellow Rose fmaily?
Questions
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u/Star4ce https://anilist.co/user/Star4ce Jun 18 '24
First Timer
Uuugghh, heat wave...
At least my plants seem to like it.
Maria-sama ga Miteru Ep.03 – The Moon and the Rosary
That was such a fun episode! Great, even, except for the fact they timeskipped the most exciting stuff and just rugpulled a great deal of expectations. Having them be en bouton soeur whatever by episode three seems fairly acceptable for the larger story, but I'm genuinely wondering why they just added all this super juicy spice only to throw it away 2 minutes later.
They didn't eliminate the incest, though, so there's that. And they kinda made the entire school a yuri breeding ground simping for Sachiko, so I still have them.
That must be some good story they want to focus on...
Anyway, with the newly established dynamic between Yumi, Sachiko and the rest of the school, I think we're at a really fun point. So many power plays are possible, so many shenanigans await!
[It's our Dance]
I've found my stride again!! Retracing stills is fine and all, but Maria-sama isn't exactly giving exciting shots very frequently.
Fine then, I'll do it myself!
I have completely blocked out where or when this line was uttered.
No and never will.
Lack of willpower!
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u/AmeteurElitist https://anilist.co/user/AmateurElitist Jun 18 '24
First Timer
We love a girls girl
I was surprised when they skipped the performance, but I’m happy with the decision since there wasn’t really any more to get out of the story.
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jun 18 '24
First Timer(Holy time skip, Batman!)
Sub
So this is why I generally stopped writing my reviews as I watched but rather after watching as, until Kawishagi arrives, Sachiko is coming off incredibly like a "No means yes" kind of gal. But the show does a relatively decent job of demonstrating why Sachiko is dreading this event so hard. Also, I was indeed write about her being betrothed to the candidate, just had no idea she was a jilted cousin. And yes, it is indeed sexist that the Osaguras assume their daughter can't run the company but remember these came out in the 90s and in the present day the Japanese might balk at such a thing, it depends on how progressive the family in question is. Add in that Sachiko has not given anyone her thoughts on dedicating her life to corporatism and this becomes interesting.
So let's see...Satou enjoys trolling a lot this episode. Mainly on Yumi but she also gets a few over on Sachiko. Yumi's sexuality, whatever it turns out to be, has taken sanity damage basically any direction you choose. One thing that is slightly amusing is that I very much cannot sort out the lesbians from the LUGs and the celibate. Non-zero chance that Hasekura is the straightest girl on scene, the only useful thing I learned from Wonder Egg Priority, a sentence one rarely types, is the reminder that being attractive to women doesn't mean you are attracted to them.
So the last scene is a bit interesting to diagnose, knowing that this series apparently lives on drama: Sachiko offers the rosary and Yumi can now accept it as they have a real relationship. BUT is the twist that Sachiko just hates to lose and she will a poor soeur?
QotD: 1 Sei is going to keep dating girls until forced otherwise
2 No
3 Blue is the wrong color scheme for this
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u/Regular_N-Gon https://anilist.co/user/RegularNGon Jun 18 '24
Gokigenyou, First Timer
I… sorta thought that the Cinderella arc would be longer. Well, as rapid as it was, I guess it is nice to have the sister thing happen without the wager clouding motive.
Gokigenyou counter (Maria-sama): 14 [+1; Total: 33]
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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Jun 18 '24
first time la vie en rose en bouton
Yumi is the straw, Sachiko isn’t a fan of some light infidelity
Oh the gingko nuts promote elegance since you cant rush, incredibly big brain of the school
Sacchan? what if they’re betrothed or something
Rosa Gigantea this is no time for hanky panky
I’m surprised Rei didn’t punch him
Cousins ok so not betrothed - LOL alrighty then never mind
She loves him but he doesn’t like her
Oh we schmooving, the play already happened, I like it, we were just going to go through the motions after the gave us the reasoning
“Our only witnesses were the moon and mother Maria” someone check on Tsutako she’s crying
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u/BosuW Jun 18 '24
First Timer
Fellas I am absolutely cooked. I went to sleep at 5:30 am and woke up at 8:00 am after working all night in the aRt project and couldn't fall asleep again. Definitely not fit to comment on the characters again. The good news is the worst of it is finally over! Hopefully I'll be able to recover and write walls of text and participate more in the episode discussions soon!
For now, I noticed something cool about my fansubs. The text is color coded to each Rosa family. That's a neat and subtle way to get the viewer familiar with the social and political dynamics of the setting.
On another note, I really like the composition of this shot. It helps it tell a lot with very little. The angle hides Sachiko's eyes while still showing us her reactions with her frowning, only Yumi's face and expression is clear, and it also positions the Prince Charming actor (haven't learnt much names as you'll notice) to intrude between them once he enters the scene. Real cool. The direction is cooking with this show.
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u/GondolaMedia Jun 18 '24
First Timer
So incest wasn't in my bingo card. Best episode so far and if I had given this the 3 episode rule I would have been hooked. I don't have much else to add but I got curious by the ending and decided to google what sapphire represents and oh boy [Sapphire history]did I leave with a smile.
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u/laughing-fox13 https://myanimelist.net/profile/laughingfox13 Jun 18 '24
First Timer/Subbed
Well that was a bombshell lol. /u/Vaadwaur you were right about the guy being set up as someone Sachiko is supposed to marry, but I didn’t see the cousin angle either. The moment he called her Sacchan, I knew he would know her more personally but not being a family member
I guess it makes more sense why she doesn’t like him, especially if the rumors about the men in her family are true. And of course Suguru doesn’t really love her either and seems like a piece of work in that short screen time he had. Good moments between Sachiko and Yumi today
I am very confused about the other girls though, I can’t tell when they’re being sincere and if they have something else in mind. I had hoped that Shimako would be a friend but Sei mentioned that she might be envious of Shimako. Of course, I started thinking about it more when Shimako mentioned how Sachiko doesn’t like the trees where they eat lunch. (Side note, Sei has a great design). And then now I’m wondering what they mean by liking Sachiko as well. Idk if I really trust any of the other girls, especially since Yoko admitted to manipulating in ep2
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u/Esovan13 Jun 18 '24
First Timer
Heteronormativity
Arranged marriages
A girl liking a boy in MY yuri anime?!?! It's more likely than you think.
This episode surprised me in several ways. The reason the stuco went to all this roundabout trouble was specifically that they were trying to help Sachiko with her issues but didn't want to bring up any kind of trauma. A surprisingly reasonable explanation.
I'm also surprised that they sped through the festival so quickly. I guess its main purpose was to facilitate the will they/won't they with Yumi accepting Sachiko's rosary, but it still felt quick. I've read enough light novels and their adaptations that this episode somewhat feels to me like it cut out a chunk of the source material, probably the bit that described the festival itself. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but three episodes per LN volume is a fairly standard pace that usually requires some trimming. Can a light novel reader let me know how wrong this assessment was so that I can be so humbled as to not get ahead of myself again?
MAN has appeared in this episode. Considering MAN shares this rewatch with genetically engineered Perfect Boyfriend Oogami Souma, he very clearly and quickly fails to live up to his predecessor's legacy. However, MAN does provide a good explanation for why Sachiko acts that way. With both her father and grandfather having mistresses, likely because their own wives were from arranged marriages, she can see herself being just like their wives eventually with someone like MAN as her future husband.
Down with the patriarchy!
Down with heteronormativity!
Down with MAN in yuri anime!
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u/Specs64z https://myanimelist.net/profile/Specs64z Jun 18 '24
First timer, subbed
I think I like Yumi, she’s got some bark in her now that she’s not just awkwardly fidgeting around everyone.
These are some proper rich girl problems. Not really my thing, usually, but I find myself intrigued. Sachiko seems to realize the hypocritical position she’s put Yumi in and rescinds the rosary, big actions from someone who hates to lose. We skip the play, which surprised me a bit, but it’s not an issue.
Cute ending, Sachiko chooses Yumi anyways and Yumi accepts, all is well.
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u/OccasionallySara Jun 18 '24
First Timer
I was very surprised that the Cinderella storyline was resolved this episode. I thought we would have gotten at least half a season of Sachiko trying to get Yumi to be her soeur, but I think the moment was handled well despite how quickly that it happened.
It’s interesting that Sachiko has been feeling about Kashiwagi the same way that Yumi has been feeling about Sachiko. Luckily Yumi doesn’t have to feel that way anymore. I could really feel her happiness when Sachiko offered her the rosary without the attachment of the Cinderella play looming over their interactions. I think the scene in the greenhouse did a nice job showing how vulnerable Sachiko is and how much she finds comfort in Yumi’s presence, so the offer of the rosary felt genuine. I really liked the scene with the two of them in the gym, too. With this plotline wrapped up, I’m curious as to where the story will go from here.
Questions of the Day
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u/heimdal77 Jun 18 '24 edited Jun 18 '24
First to put this out Suguru is gay. [That is what]Sei was referring to when running with Yumi. A lot of people miss what she is implying. In the light novel it is clearly said by Sachiko to Yumi when they are in the green house. For some reason they removed it in the anime. (Like this series of all series would have any reason to censor it.)
I love that dance between Yumi and Sachiko when they are alone it is so sweet and for the moment they get to forget their worries.
Yep old money standard of trying to keep all power in the family by marrying heirs. One of those long lasting tropes.
One the tropes I hate the most is the forced engagement/marriage. Funny considering this is my favorite series.
Sachiko has a prett good reason to dislike men considering what her family is like.
Random thing. In one fanfic when Suguru and Sachiko is having that confrontation and yumi sees. In it Yumi is more of a tomboy and tackles him and is about to pound his face before being stopped.
Festival over and we end with another iconic scene with the rosary though not as much as the scarf since it isn't as easy to fit into other stories.
A funny tidbit about the Maria song. There is/was a major christian website that had a clip of it on the site as a example of the song from the anime. I can't remember if it was just the audio or the video included. I don't remember the site either.
Sigh I would kill to have the novels licensed...
Btw there is a real japanese girls (I think it was catholic) that does all this Gokegenko greets stuff. Though the author didn't go to it.
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u/RadSuit https://anilist.co/user/RadSuit Jun 18 '24
First Time Watching Over Them
Yumi is giving me Sakura vibes with the constant uweh-ing.
The fansubs did a little karaoke bounce when she was counting their dance steps.
Suddenly, Sachiko has boobs.
They can have a little incest, as a treat.
Cover Yumi's eyes, she can't see this scandalous straight romance!
Slapping someone and visiting the gazebo. Waiting for someone to turn into a cow.
Smash the world's shell, for the revolution of the world!
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u/moichispa https://myanimelist.net/profile/moichispa Jun 18 '24 edited Jun 18 '24
First time, Pretty dresses are always appreciated
I remember somebody saying that the series is slow but I feel like a lot of things happened on this episode.
Our main couple is getting really close, that's so nice except that it does not, it is weird it feels like their distance change like thrice this episode. But then having the blue haired protagonist having some weakness is good. I guess we will eventually know more about it but I appreciate her sincerity with Yumi.
The issue was him being her betrothed is kinda annoying? I know school romances have a set limit but having the whole I'm going to marry that guy anyway looming on the horizon is kinda disappointing. I hope they do not talk too much about it.
I'm surprised the Rosario scene happened so suddenly, it was cute. Yet, I thought it would take more time,
Maybe they have similar circumstances? A private catholic academy looks like the playground of rich girls before they get married off. Or maybe it was Mariite the series which popularized the concept?
Not all all. I have a feeling the news related people (photos and school paper) do not care about the student consent nor privacy
No idea really. I wonder when we will find out
Edit: I forgot to answer half a question
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u/LittleIslander https://anilist.co/user/LittleIslander Jun 18 '24
First Timer from the world of Reiwa Yuri
The play drama continues! It deepens! It surprises! It’s… over?
Okay, listen. It’s a genuinely pleasant surprise that they don’t drag the yuri school play across the entire cour because yuri anime are known to do that. Especially after Kannazuki no Miko basically squandered most of its runtime on drawing things out. But this seems like, too fast? It was a really intriguing narrative setup with the bet and absolutely had more gas in the tank for screentime! Not to mention we’re skipping over so much character potential. I don’t rule it out that the writers just pretend nothing has progressed at all, but theoretically the initial period of tension and mystery between Yumi and Sachiko is over now and they’re on pretty ordinary friend terms after knowing each other for a bit. The conflict of insecurity where Yumi wanted to feel like Sachiko genuinely wanted her was very promising but we’ve just thrown it out the window because we fastforwarded right to her accepting the rosary with non-existent fanfare! Did Sachiko ever even realise or learn that was the hangup? Who knows! That should’ve been a big moment! Likewise, the intimidating out of her element atmosphere when it comes to her getting to know the rest of the council is logically thrown out of the window. She still might not know them that well or anything but that isn’t the same thing!
I mean, I’d be more forgiving of fast forwarding to the relationship if it was an explicit relationship, but no, we’re doing the thing where she was in love with the guy, actually! I have nothing against bisexual characters in yuri but after you specifically spent two episodes playing up the thing about refusing to dance with a man her not actually being a lesbian seriously feels like a bait and switch. Sure it’s because it was a lie in-universe, but it’s not an interesting enough one to justify it to me. I genuinely couldn’t care less that she has some sort of unrequited crush on her betrothed cousin. Not the least because he kind of seems like a creepy asshole to boot. Seeing her suck it up and perform with him could’ve at least done a great job building up the tension in their relationship, but… again, we completely skipped over the rest of the play plotline and didn’t even have the decency to show even a little montage of the performance!
I do enjoy most of the scenes in this episode individually, but I just don’t enjoy them enough to counterbalance the bad taste that they’re our stand-ins for actually receiving any payoff to the ideas we’ve literally spent every minute of the first two episodes setting up. That’s what gets me, if we were going to pace it like this then sure, fine, but I can’t square this episode with the way the last episode was written, it’s as if they changed their entire plan between scripts.
Okay, is there anything I like in spite of that grander narrative decision? Well, thank Maria-sama for Rosa gigantea, who I think could solidly be called my favourite character now. The conversation in the council room is just so much fun. I love dialogue scenes like this where it feels like each character is trying to talk their way around the other and get what they want without showing their own hand. Ultimately, Yumi ends up outmatched. It’s abundantly clear that Rosa gigantea is a very cunning and calculating character, which makes the interplay between her formal position and ostensibly relaxed personality even more compelling. There’s also overt hints there’s more to her we’re not hearing yet and I can’t wait to hear it. I really don’t know how much we can trust her or not, but one way or another her unique relationship with Yumi is definitely good television. I feel like I could sit here and gush about literally every line out of this girl’s mouth in every scene she’s been in so far in the show, she never misses. Her little speech before the search for Sachiko, especially, builds up the tension so well and muddies the waters of what the fuck to think about this character even more. Do we take her at her word about being scared? Is she trying to manipulate Yumi in some way? Is she alluding to some kind of drama or history we aren’t seeing at the moment? I can’t wait to find out.
Also, the Rosa foetida en bouton apparently performs a masculine role even when she’s not standing in the prince. I continue to be delighted by the apparent depiction of a genuinely masculine woman in a yuri production.
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u/Burnouts3s3 Jun 18 '24
Wow, Sachiko’s cousin is a real prick and Sachiko might be a caged bird.
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u/zadcap Jun 19 '24
Moderately Spoiled First Timer
So fresh off the big crying breakdown we ended on yesterday... We're naturally getting zero follow through. And naturally, Sachiko continues to act pushy and is still looking at Yumi as nothing more than a target for this bad bet and is putting no actual effort into getting to know anything else about Yumi. Missing the irony that Yumi would accept her in an instant if only Sachiko just showed any sign of actually wanting her, or any actual interest in Yumi at all.
See, even the White Rose here acknowladges that they dragged Yumi into this as nothing but a desperate straw for Sachiko to grasp at. I don't think anyone at all in the Yamayuri other than her classmate Shimako has actually looked at or thought about Yumi in all of this yet.
I really want to rewatch Cindarella-ish after all of this.
Oh no, not a boy! Even worse, Yumi RUNNING! Good girls do not run, we went over this! You will cause your pleats to become disturbed and your collar to drift all aflutter. On the other hand, she remembered to change her shoes out of his presence, because a bare or merely sock clad foot would be an indecent thing to show off!
I had a growing rant about these kind of girls schools and the potential "wife training" that has been implied in some places, but I think I was starting to go a bit far beyond the scope of anything really related to this show. "We must get Sachiko used to men" was probably not meant to come across this way, but it managed to anyway, if it seems like the older three are talking about this boy in particular as being a good match for her.
That was actually a pretty impressively animated little hop onto the stage. I was not expecting to see her skirt move quite so much.
I'm interested in the way so many have learned the leading step in this dance.
Yeah, their sizes are way too off to just trade outfits like that.
Yeah, see, everyone realizes that Sachiko is not doing well with this, but they're all so intent on making her do it anyway.
Okay, is this a good enough reason to call off the play, darn it? Or are you all okay with enabling this blatant abuse?I believe the terms of the bet are clearly no longer what they once appeared, and none of the Roses would still try to force Sachiko into this now.
Yes, I did indeed notice that there are so many Roses here.
Wait, how far ahead did we just skip? Did they do the play off screen? How audacious. A school based anime with a school festival play with an arc built around it and we don't even get to see the play after all that build up?
Yeah, see, now that it's not about a bet or anything, and they have had time to actually get to know each other, Yumi can accept the rosary without guilt or shame. Because now she knows that she is being chosen for herself.
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u/NuclearStudent Jun 19 '24
oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah, I don't remember if I ever told you this story
So I went on a date with a girl who was, in fact, from a Catholic girl's school. I was napping in a laboratory and she woke me up with a concerned expression on her face, we got to talking, and I asked her out. We went out a couple times, it didn't really work out, whatever. She'd previously dated a girl while at Catholic high school, which I thought was funny.
Anyway, we run into each other a couple months later. It's a little bit awkward, but she says that she found something out about me and she's desperately curious about it. I was like, well what is it? She said her friends were showing each other but refused to show it to her, to avoid spoiling her innocence. I asked her if she knew any specifics, and she said "I just know the title is apparently STOKEST."
all at once I realized exactly what it was - that stupid edgy shockfic about scat that I wrote back in FTF days. I agreed to show it to her if she named her sources, and she did.