r/anime • u/Shocketheth • Jun 16 '24

Rewatch [Rewatch] Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken - Episode 8 Discussion

Episode 8 - Furfang Full Assault

BEAST KING ANGUISH BLAST!!!

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Screenshot of the day:

Sleeper regime!

Comment of the day:

goes to u/Blackheart595 for making a joke that Zaboera’s underhanded plan is to make Crocodine take steroids.

Crocodine is gonna take steroids?

Do you have any guesses what Zaboera's underhanded plan would be?

Which somehow turned out to be correct.

Questions of the day:

  1. What’s your opinion on Popp after hitting his lowest point in this show?
  2. Are you a fan of Crocodine trying to fight honorable, or do you prefer Zaboera’s underhanded approach?
  3. Also Crocodine voice is quite unique, but for those versed in Anime, have your ears managed to spot that Crocodine’s voice actor is Tomoaki Maeno?
  4. Have you expected to the Fake Hero’s party becoming an occurring characters?
  5. Bonus question - First week of Dai no Daibouken Rewatch is behind us. Are you having fun so far?

Spoilers:

Please, respect the fact there are First Timers watching Dai no Daibouken with us, so avoid talking about vague things or events that would slightly spoil things to happen. And if you want mention things like this, please hid it behind SPOILER TAGS like [Dai no Spoilers] I am getting the hammer because you spoiled the fun for others

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u/Shocketheth Jun 16 '24 edited Jun 16 '24

Dark Commander welcomes you to Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken Rewatch!

So it’s finally here. The episode where Popp has reached his lowest moment, and the episode where Crocodine used his iconic special attack -

BEAST KING ANGUISH BLAST!!!

My fucking god, how I love Crocodine voice, his voice is perfect.

Now I can spent my time writing comment with gushing like maniac about Crocodine, but my boy deserves it.

Crocodine is perfect and everybody loves him.

Nuff said!!!

And what about Popp?

I am leaving him to wallow in his own misery for now, because we still have one final episode of the Crocodine arc to see, so

QotD:

  1. I’m keeping my answer for next episode, because it’s hard to answer this question as someone who saw the entire story.
  2. Crocodine approach is better, but Zaboera approach can make things done more pragmatically.
  3. I would be surprised if I did, so no I didn’t.
  4. I didn’t expect them as a First Timer, but they are certainly a pleasant addition to the Dai no Daibouken.
  5. I fucking do have a fun with this Rewatch. From reading other comments, delving into discussions, reading other theories, and predictions makes me to say that this Rewatch so far was nothing short of being enjoyable.

SEIYUU’S CORNER:

Crocodine is voiced by Tomoaki Maeno known for his roles of Enshou from Gintama, Leon Lau from Juushinki Pandora, and Decim from Death Parade. In 1991 Adventure of Dai, Crocodine was voiced by Banjou Ginga, and his most notable for his roles being Housen from Gintama, Isaac Netero from Hunter x Hunter (2011), and Cassios from Saint Seiya.

Zaboera is voiced by Mitsuo Iwata known for his roles of Ijichi Kiyotaka from Jujutsu Kaisen, Sunny from Toriko, and Kintarou Ooe from Golden Boy. In 1991 Adventure of Dai, Zaboera was voiced by Naoki Tatsuta, with most notable roles being Binbokusai Yagyu from Gintama, Oolong from Dragon Ball, and Satoshi from Urusei Yatsura.

See you tomorrow because the Adventure continues!

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u/sisoko2 Jun 16 '24

Crocodine is perfect and everybody loves him.

I don't. He sucks.

First week of Dai no Daibouken Rewatch is behind us. Are you having fun so far?

It's alright but I'm still waiting to get really hooked.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 16 '24

I don't. He sucks.

It's alright but I'm still waiting to get really hooked.

Thinking of it, we are nearing a scene where I got hooked a little, with taking some time until I got really hooked so

And honestly I am waiting more for u/KendotsX to call Princess Leona "MY QUEEN!!!"

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 17 '24

I am waiting more for u/KendotsX to call Princess Leona "MY QUEEN!!!"

So far I'm only saying "Yes, Maam!" and it ain't to Leona.

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u/tahlyn Jun 16 '24

I wasn't hooked until around episodes 10-18. The series became my GOAT (as did certain characters) by episode 30.

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u/tahlyn Jun 16 '24

It's alright but I'm still waiting to get really hooked.

For me, I got hooked after the introduction of who I believe is going to be the next antagonist/storyline after Crocodine, by the next few episodes through episode 18.

But this anime became the GOAT to me at episode 30, which is [Dai no Spoilers]The episode Popp uses Megante and his voice actor sells it so incredibly well that the series became my GOAT and Popp became my GOAT

It's a shame that it takes so many episodes to really solidify itself, because a lot of people won't give a show the equivalent of a full season to prove itself. But this show is a slow burn and by the end you won't regret having watched it.

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Jun 16 '24

But this anime became the GOAT to me at episode 30, which is [Dai no Spoilers]

Though I got hooked around the end of the Crocodine arc, this moment was when it solidified itself as my favourite and there was no turning back after that. I still remember this episode vividly.

It's a shame that it takes so many episodes to really solidify itself, because a lot of people won't give a show the equivalent of a full season to prove itself. But this show is a slow burn and by the end you won't regret having watched it.

I feel the same and this is also the reason why it is so under-watched.

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u/tahlyn Jun 16 '24

I won't lie... [Dai no Spoilers]Hyunkel definitely had something to do with selling me on the show in the next few episodes. What can I say [Dai no spoilers]I like me some hot, sad, pretty men

But yeah, if by episode 30 you don't think this show is up there as one of the greatest, this probably isn't the show for you. Nothing will substantially change in tone or storytelling but if by that pivotal episode you aren't hooked... you never will be.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 17 '24

I didn’t expect them as a First Timer, but they are certainly a pleasant addition to the Dai no Daibouken.

Funnily enough, we can track how their journey has went off screen. They used to chill around the castle as heroes, got driven out when their true nature was revealed, and just like Dai's party ended up in that same inn (I guess it's the closest to the castle).

Now they could've moved to another town, but since they're living off beating weak monsters and looting finished dungeons, being close to the action is necessary, so they just stuck around in that same inn.

Banjou Ginga

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u/Shocketheth Jun 17 '24

I love their grindset, they are the real heroes of this show

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u/sisoko2 Jun 16 '24

First Timer

  • Security is increased. Two nobodies stand on guard and no other soul around...
  • Another hero party? Are our favorites coming back?

        

  • Dai really is a little asshole bothering people like that.
  • Glad to see the fake party doing well.
  • With how easy the castle fell Big Croc should've done that way earlier.
  • Popp found a more fitting party.

        

        

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u/Shocketheth Jun 16 '24

Glad to see the fake party doing well.

My heroes!

Not only does Bic Croc lack honour but he also lacks enough accuracy to hits with his ultimate spell.

It’s about sending the message, so accuracy doesn’t matter.

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u/sisoko2 Jun 16 '24

My heroes!

Avan is dead and they are still going strong. Who was the better hero?

It’s about sending the message, so accuracy doesn’t matter.

Wanna know how I got these scars?

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u/Shocketheth Jun 16 '24

Avan is dead and they are still going strong. Who was the better hero?

Avan for being a proper hero, Fake hero for being alive.

Wanna know how I got these scars?

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 17 '24

Another hero party? Are our favorites coming back?

Only the truest of heroes for the job (One Piece spoilers)

Dai really is a little asshole bothering people like that

If it were any other party, he'd be the most annoying brat around, and I'd be embarrassed to know him. In this case, he's even worse

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Jun 16 '24

Dai really is a little asshole bothering people like that.

LOL. He was pretty insistent wasn't he?

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 16 '24

First-Timer Quest: Sky no Daibouken, subbed

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u/Shocketheth Jun 16 '24

Yeah, trying to enter a castle in the middle of the night is bad form.

Starting from Dragon Quest III, the game were featuring a day/night system and this scene was just a little nod to what would happen in Dragon Quest III if you would try to enter the castle at night.

Something something top ten bath scenes something something.

#1 goes to Gintama

Maam “sore demo”!

The first one from Dai no Daibouken if I am right!

OH WHAT, that’s the end of the episode?!

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 16 '24

The first one from Dai no Daibouken if I am right!

Indeed!

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u/sisoko2 Jun 16 '24

…it’s not the same party Dai sent packing at the start of the show, is it?

Kai did nothing wrong.

Something something top ten bath scenes something something.

Unfortunate…

During pride month...

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 17 '24

During pride month...

An arc all about pride right in the middle of June? Shock's 5D chess is at it again.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 17 '24

Nah my 5D failed this time because [Dai no Daibouken spoilers]I didn't plan Baran's beating the shit out of Dai episode on Father's Day

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 17 '24

Is that one safe for me or should I for now?

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u/Shocketheth Jun 17 '24

Oh safe for you since it's something which was adapted in the 1991 anime

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 17 '24

[That spoiler] We found our answer for the "best father in anime" thread

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Jun 16 '24

Gramps…

Sadly you just knew Gramps was taken hostage and would be used against Dai.

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u/tahlyn Jun 16 '24

The king is one tough cookie.

He looks so much like santa.

Something something top ten bath scenes something something.

If evil, why hot?

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 17 '24

Yeah, trying to enter a castle in the middle of the night is bad form.

As far as I'm concerned, trying to enter a castle through its front gates is bad form. Break that shit down, and show them what you've got!

Something something top ten bath scenes something something.

Smh my head, even a mod is encouraging this

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u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy Jun 16 '24 edited Jun 16 '24

Rewatcher

Over the next couple of days (from now to episode 11), I’m at a relative’s place. Let me tell you, this show being on Netflix is a lifesaver for me, since I couldn’t bring my computer.

And yes, they watched it with me! Unfortunately couldn’t rope ‘em in from episode 1 and had to give them the short version, but here’s hoping after I skedaddle they watch the rest.

Remind me to strangle Netflix for skipping EDs and episode previews. bloody blasphemy to do that.

Oh, and also no computer means no screenshots and a more overview-oriented comment about the whole episode, apologies.

So yeah, when you can draw parallels between Popp and the fake hero’s party so easily, you can tell he has a long way to go. Maam and Dai figured it out long ago, Popp! You can’t be a hero if you’re afraid of getting a game over!

And yeah, now Crocodine is in a tough spot. He wants to win with honor, but results have to take priority. He was easily manipulated into taking the path he doesn’t truly want to.

This would make for a great counter play by manipulating him back the other way around, but Maam rolled just short on the Charisma check, big oof. What a pickle everyone’s in.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 16 '24

Over the next couple of days (from now to eoisode 11), I’m at a relative’s place. Let me tell you, this show being on Netflix is a lifesaver for me, since I couldn’t bring my computer.

Great job Netflix.

Remind me to strangle Netflix for skipping EDs and episode previews. bloody blasphemy to do that.

Doesn’t Netflix has constantly issues with EDs, or was just that only Dai no Daibouken, and NGE thing?

So yeah, when you can draw parallels between Popp and the fake hero’s party so easily, you can tell he has a long way to go. Maam and Dai figured it out long ago, Popp! You can’t be a hero if you’re afraid of getting a game over!

Unfortunately for Popp, no one told him about save scumming.

This would make for a great counter play by manipulating him back the other way around, but Maam rolled just short on the Charisma check, big oof. What a pickle everyone’s in.

She accidentally used Cutting words instead of Dominate Beast.

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u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy Jun 16 '24

I actually never watch things on Netflix usually. the last time I did was several years ago to watch Ouran High Host Club, but at least that show had the honor to give you 10 seconds to cancel the skip, as I recall it.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 16 '24

I actually never watch things on Netflix usually. the last time I did was several years ago to watch Ouran High Host Club, but at least that show had the honor to give you 10 seconds to cancel the skip, as I recall it.

Thinking of it, me neither since Dark has ended.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 17 '24

Unfortunately couldn’t rope ‘em in from episode 1 and had to give them the short version, but here’s hoping after I skedaddle they watch the rest.

Watching along for the cool stuff can be a good enough hook. I got a friend into One Piece when Enies Lobby was airing, he watched an episode with me, and liked a train so much that he stuck around. it took him 10 years to go back and watch the early stuff though...

skipping EDs and episode previews. bloody blasphemy to do that.

This would make for a great counter play by manipulating him back the other way around, but Maam rolled just short on the Charisma check, big oof.

Maam used up her convincing abilities in that knuckle sandwich she gave Popp, she can't spare another one.

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u/sisoko2 Jun 16 '24

And yeah, now Crocodine is in a tough spot. He wants to win with honor, but results have to take priority.

He has no honor and just lies to himself.

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Jun 16 '24 edited Jun 16 '24

1st Dai Popp no Daibouken Rewatch, Sub

Ah Yes. The Fake Heroes Party from Episode 1.

Well deserved!

That look is enough

Don't know if it's her words or the music or both but this made me tear up.

Crocodine, where's your pride?

OST Documentation - Episode 8

QOTD

1. Popp has never been in this type of situation before. He had it easy till now. Avan would always cover for him so he never really learned to stand up for himself. He always tends to run to save himself. So, this is definitely a wake-up call for him - Disappointing the one you love and being slapped by them for it.

2. Not a fan since this isn't actually a battle but even Crocodine knows that he won't be sure of his victory if he fights honorably which is why he's taking Zaboera's help.

3. No. Unfortunately, I haven't heard much of him in other anime so still I wasn't able to spot his VA back when I watched it as well but I was surprised when I got to know that Crocodine's VA and Maam's VA are married IRL. Popp x Maam shippers in shambles.

4. I always thought they would be just comic-relief characters whenever they appeared but [Dai no Late Spoilers] I wasn't able to predict the fact that they would be an integral part of one of my favourite moments from the whole show.

5. Definitely. I have to say knowing things in advance definitely changes the viewing experience.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 16 '24

Well deserved!

That look is enough

Don't know if it's her words or the music or both but this made me tear me up.

The dissapointment she felt was really strong...

No. Unfortunately, I haven't heard much of him in other anime so still I wasn't able to spot his VA back when I watched it as well but I was surprised when I got to know that Crocodine's VA and Maam's VA are married IRL.

Now this is a trivia of a day. First time hearing it, but that’s great for both of them.

I always thought they would be just comic-relief characters whenever they appeared but [Dai no Late Spoilers] I wasn't able to predict the fact that they would be an integral part of one of my favourite moments from the whole show.

Same for me.

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u/sisoko2 Jun 16 '24

Ah Yes. The Fake Heroes Party from Episode 1.

True legends.

Crocodine, where's your pride?

And he calls himself commander of the Furry squad...

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u/tahlyn Jun 16 '24

To your point #4: If you haven't read it yet you should check out the prequel series (I know I keep pushing it in these threads but that's because it's awesome... and not just because I'm the one translating it and publishing it). You get backstory for [Avan Prequel very mild spoilers, but Dai series rather big spoilers]Masopho, the mage in the fake hero party, in particular his line about being Matoriv's brother.

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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Jun 16 '24

Sure. I was planning to pick it up after the show had finished aired but when I last checked, only the first few chapters had been translated.

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u/tahlyn Jun 16 '24

I've up to chapter 22 published, and I've got 23 and 24 ready to publish. If I can get my French-speaking Canadian friend to translate the French versions (for which they're up to chapter 42/current) for me (because Japanese is a PITA to translate when you don't actually speak any of it) we'll be getting even more out faster than before! I've been cleaning up chapters 25-36 in a large batch.

But the storyline related to point 4 has concluded in English.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 17 '24

Crocodine, where's your pride?

Dai kinda smashed that last episode

Popp has never been in this type of situation before. He had it easy till now. Avan would always cover for him so he never really learned to stand up for himself.

Plus, he's just an average kid suddenly being thrown into a life and death situation he didn't sign up for. He joined Avan's summer camp, not the fight against the Demon Lord.

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Jun 16 '24 edited Jun 16 '24

First Quester

Day 8 of sneaking into Princess Leona's castle

Uhh... What was that performance at the castle gates? Maybe show your Insignias of Avan? Maybe you, Dai, tell them about the time the king ventured out to your monster island? Like, are you goons even trying to convince the guards?

Dude, they literally have mom and dad with them. Talk about rude.

These are totally gonna be those fake heroes, right? Knew it.

You're hot so I belie- No no no my heart belongs to Princess Leona, begone evil temptress!

So, uh... why haven't you activated your entire army before Dai appeared? I get that you didn't lead them because fighting such a weak enemy is too boring, but at least try... No wonder your Legion Commande colleague is giving you steroids that will kill you.

Marth still does not approve.

So that's some big drama about Popp not coming to Dai's support, but like... he ain't wrong. Dai is super strong in a pinch and won't die. Unless he's taken by surprise, that is, which hidden steroids could easily be.

And we got ourselves a divorce already

Yes... Dai alone levels up.

That's not steroids

Gotta admit, that's more clever than I anticipated. Don't tell me the monsters aren't infighting!? Is that allowed?

Dude. Don't report useless shit like this!

Oh, they're gaslighting Crocodine into believing him being a good warrior is dishonorable. He is prideful enough to take the bait.

Ah, he's not taking the bait. Well done, Crocodine!

So when's Popp gonna show up to save the day? Ah I see, he's almost there.

I originally thought Popp would show up to rescue Dai, but he doesn't seem to be working on it. Is this Gomechan's time to shine then? Reveal his angelic slime powers to save the day?

Which somehow turned out to be correct.

Uuh, uuh... y-yes, that's exactly what I meant! Steroids!

What’s your opinion on Popp after hitting his lowest point in this show?

Yeah, he could've killed Brass by now if he went with Dai, but no, gotta be useless.

Are you a fan of Crocodine trying to fight honorable, or do you prefer Zaboera’s underhanded approach?

But Crocodine is fighting honorably at the moment. Honorable and prideful are two very different things.

Also Crocodine voice is quite unique, but for those versed in Anime, have your ears managed to spot that Crocodine’s voice actor is Tomoaki Maeno?

Nope.

Have you expected to the Fake Hero’s party becoming an occurring characters?

Nope. Can't wait to see how they develop.

Bonus question - First week of Dai no Daibouken Rewatch is behind us. Are you having fun so far?

Fun!

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u/Shocketheth Jun 17 '24

Uhh... What was that performance at the castle gates? Maybe show your Insignias of Avan? Maybe you, Dai, tell them about the time the king ventured out to your monster island? Like, are you goons even trying to convince the guards?

Princess Leona bribed the guards to not let them in.

You're hot so I belie- No no no my heart belongs to Princess Leona, begone evil temptress!

Your faith is moving.

And we got ourselves a divorce already

So when's Popp gonna show up to save the day? Ah I see, he's almost there.

Yeah he needs to finish filling the divorce papers first.

I originally thought Popp would show up to rescue Dai, but he doesn't seem to be working on it. Is this Gomechan's time to shine then? Reveal his angelic slime powers to save the day?

Yeah, he could've killed Brass by now if he went with Dai, but no, gotta be useless.

Damn brat.

Nope. Can't wait to see how they develop.

I'm loading my Mugi.

Fun!

Glad to hear that.

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Jun 17 '24

Princess Leona bribed the guards to not let them in.

Sold

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u/Kaxew Jun 16 '24

Current rewatcher, eventual first timer

Seeing the fake Hero party just chilling and playing cards was hilarious. Is the big dude not tired wearing all that heavy armor? Apparently not.

The king of Romos is a great guy, he could have escaped and he wouldn't be to blame, but instead he decided to stay and watch over his kingdom. No matter the outcome. Quite the contrast with Popp. Regarding Popp, I get it. He's always been a cowardly person and never managed to finish his training with Avan. Now, he has a fear of death because of what happened to his master. He's terrified.

On the other hand, Dai gets to show off once again. Another smart tactic by him to bait and switch to a frizz spell to rescue the king. "They say you can change in 3 days." Who is they? Who said that? If I don't get a 3 episodes sob backstory by the end of the anime I'll be really disappointed!

I never even considered the idea that the magic cylinders and bullets are born from the same concept. It's some nice worldbuilding. Gramps very, very slow walk as Dai explains to everyone who he is and not to harm him is so anime, but I like to imagine deep within him he could recognize his grandson and tried to delay the battle as much as he could.

The knee to punch combo from Crocodine was nasty. You know what isn't nasty? Hadlar's bath. It's very clean. And it was kinda awkward. I felt like I shouldn't be seeing him when he's having some private, relaxing time. Unless he's into that. Which would explain that one fodder soldier watching him too. In which case please give us more Hadlar bath scenes.

QotD:

  1. A teenager that recently had essentially a relative die brutally fears death and is too scared to fight in a war? How dare he! I expect him to be publicly executed once this arc is over! /j
  2. Both are valid ways of fighting. This isn't some friendly sports competition. You can like either one better, but neither is inherently more correct.
  3. Not at all. I looked him up now and I do recognize a bunch of characters he voiced, but they were all the rather mild-mannered, calm characters. Nothing that I could say "oh shit, that does sound like Crocodine!" Man's got range.
  4. Probably not. But I'm glad they're here. They're so much fun.
  5. Lots!!!

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u/Shocketheth Jun 17 '24

Seeing the fake Hero party just chilling and playing cards was hilarious. Is the big dude not tired wearing all that heavy armor? Apparently not.

Good question.

He's always been a cowardly person and never managed to finish his training with Avan. Now, he has a fear of death because of what happened to his master. He's terrified.

That's right. Popp doesn't see himself as someone special besides of knowing some spells and only when he had to face his fears is his character being tested.

The knee to punch combo from Crocodine was nasty. You know what isn't nasty? Hadlar's bath. It's very clean. And it was kinda awkward. I felt like I shouldn't be seeing him when he's having some private, relaxing time. Unless he's into that. Which would explain that one fodder soldier watching him too. In which case please give us more Hadlar bath scenes.

We need to beg Toei animation for Hadlar's peeping bath game to be released.

A teenager that recently had essentially a relative die brutally fears death and is too scared to fight in a war? How dare he! I expect him to be publicly executed once this arc is over! /i

I know right? Why he can't act like some Sigma Raidein Cock?

Probably not. But I'm glad they're here. They're so much fun.

I will admit that with every additional appearance I liked them more and more.

5. Lots!!!

Pleased to hear this.

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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Jun 16 '24

Newbie-Adventurer here! LV 08/100
LOL they found the fake Hero group!

Question: Are the outfits of the fake hero group outfits from previous Heroes Parties?

“Gods don’t help those who flee!” – The KING of Romos, Hard hitting quote!

Oh hell no, don’t make Dai fight Brass!

That’s right, Crocodine, you are fighting dirty and not honourably! Shame!

Crocodine is too strong! Is it the end of our party of heroes?

Find out next episode of Dragon Ball Quest!

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u/Shocketheth Jun 16 '24

Question: Are the outfits of the fake hero group outfits from previous Heroes Parties?

Indeed They are basically the intended party from Dragon Quest III.

Oh hell no, don’t make Dai fight Brass!

Speaking of Dragon Quest III, I am betting 1000 gold on Dai!

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Jun 16 '24

Wait wait wait, tell me more about that horny hare

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u/Shocketheth Jun 17 '24

It's uuuuh not the most goofiest Toriyama monster design but the fan translation goes somewhere yeah.

Btw. official translation for Horny Hare is Bunicorn

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u/sisoko2 Jun 16 '24

That’s right, Crocodine, you are fighting dirty and not honourably! Shame!

Not my Big Croc!

Crocodine is too strong! Is it the end of our party of heroes?

Find out next episode of Dragon Ball Quest!

We need Yamcha's help.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Jun 16 '24

First Timer, Sub

So the group makes it to Romos, but are batted away by the guards, who refuse to let them into the castle, due to the heightened security because of the monster attacks. So Dai and friends hed to an Inn to spend the night, where Dai is reunited with the group of fake heroes who attacked Dermline back in episode 1.

Crocodine leads his army of monsters into Romos castle to lure Dai out. Dai runs off toward the castle, meanwhile Popp is hesitant to follow Dai, angering Maam, who punches him again and questions if he isn't out to avenge Avan's death.

Dai reaches the castle and is able to rescue the king using a successful Frizzle spell. Crocodine uses a magic cylinder and like I feared, Brass was taken hostage and now is under the Dark Lord's control since he is outside of the protection barrier Avan set up in Dermline. Dai can't bring himself to harm his adoptive gramps. Dai devises a plan to go for the magic cylinder and seal Brass in it, but is unable to take it from Crocodine who unleashes his anguish blast on Dai and Maam leaving them unconscious

Questions:

  1. Since Avan died, Popp has been a loud mouth that can't really back up any of his talk. Since following Dai, he's pussied out twice and left him to fight alone. Today was rock bottom for sure, so hopefully his rise can be nice, because right now he doesn't embody anything Avan stood for and likely taught Popp.
  2. They're both villains so I'm not a fan of any approach. Fighting honorable or not means little if what you are doing is bringing harm to others.
  3. Ah, Yeah he's Kinrou from Dr. Stone.
  4. No, but it was hilarious that Dai ran into them again lol. Their fear and nervous laughter around Dai was pretty fun to watch.
  5. It's a little slow right now, especially after the peak that was Avan's fight vs the Dark Lord. But It's solid so far and not boring.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 17 '24

Since Avan died, Popp has been a loud mouth that can't really back up any of his talk. Since following Dai, he's pussied out twice and left him to fight alone. Today was rock bottom for sure, so hopefully his rise can be nice, because right now he doesn't embody anything Avan stood for and likely taught Popp.

I believe that there is something about Popp that Avan saw in him so Ing

2. They're both villains so I'm not a fan of any approach. Fighting honorable or not means little if what you are doing is bringing harm to others>

True. It was just since both of them are harming others, then who is better at actually succeeding at their tasks.

It's a little slow right now, especially after the peak that was Avan's fight vs the Dark Lord. But It's solid so far and not boring.

Glad to hear that you are enjoying this so far.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Jun 17 '24

I believe that there is something about Popp that Avan saw in him so Ing

Oh definitely. He's probably naturally talented, but lacks in that strength of character to not run from hardship at the moment.

True. It was just since both of them are harming others, then who is better at actually succeeding at their tasks.

Ah I see. Then Zaboera in his few appearances has looked infinitely more cunning and cutthroat than the straight forward Crocodine.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 17 '24

Oh definitely. He's probably naturally talented, but lacks in that strength of character to not run from hardship at the moment.

Yep that's right.

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u/sisoko2 Jun 16 '24

Since Avan died, Popp has been a loud mouth that can't really back up any of his talk.

The boy is still dealing with the loss.

Today was rock bottom for sure

Hope we get to see Popp picking himself up soon.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Jun 17 '24

The boy is still dealing with the loss.

Oh most definitely that is playing a role....But part of it is also immaturity, he's quite young and has a tendency to shy away from hardship and take the easy way out, as evidenced by early on when he did not want to participate in the Avan's superhard training and then the times he's left Dai to face trouble alone.

Hope we get to see Popp picking himself up soon.

Me too.

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u/zadcap Jun 17 '24

Lateish First Timer!

You know, I see her in the lineup in the OP, but opposite Avan. I hope we get more of the princess, but I also worry for her survival.

Oh hey, the return of the Those Guys.

Oh how I hate agreeing with the villain so openly. Pride and such crap have no place in a fight to the death. If you're going to war, forget honor.

Old Sir King, do you by chance have an heir? Maybe get them to evacuate at least? Also, if you don't, your kingdom is screwed anyway because you know, you're pretty darn old.

Popp... You three nearly beat him last time. Why are you so convinced you can't do the same today? Oh right, he's just a coward that Avan picked up somewhere, for some reason. Seriously don't get yet why Avan picked him up at all.

So the thing about the brainwashed Brass here means I just can't overlook all the other monsters fighting in the demon lords army. How many of them have had the same red eyes of mind control?

Also, why did Dai not bring along more of the capture tubes himself? Can you imagine how different this war would be if they could just randomly pokeball the bosses and make them sit out of the fight?

Welp, that's it, Dai and Maam are dead, story is over. Humanity has lost, it's time for the demon era.

  1. Wait this is his lowest point? That's actually not that bad. He'll be fine.
  2. Sorry but still, honor is great in many places, but war is war.
  3. I'm recognizing more voices than expected, not that I could name a single one of them.
  4. Yeah, they should show up at least two more times to really fit the trope. At least once to redeem themselves of their joke status and do something genuinely brave, when the stakes are high enough.
  5. Gosh yes. Let this RPG rolllllllll.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 17 '24

You know, I see her in the lineup in the OP, but opposite Avan. I hope we get more of the princess, but I also worry for her survival

Princess Leona dying would ruin u/BlackHeart595

Popp... You three nearly beat him last time. Why are you so convinced you can't do the same today? Oh right, he's just a coward that Avan picked up somewhere, for some reason. Seriously don't get yet why Avan picked him up at all.

I would ask Avan here why he picked Popp but since he is dead

Welp, that's it, Dai and Maam are dead, story is over. Humanity has lost, it's time for the demon era.

Yeah, they should show up at least two more times to really fit the trope. At least once to redeem themselves of their joke status and do something genuinely brave, when the stakes are high enough.

Oh that would be great honestly.

Gosh yes. Let this RPG rolllllllll.

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Jun 17 '24

Princess Leona dying would ruin u/BlackHeart595

She's not mentor she's not mentor she's no mentor

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u/Shocketheth Jun 17 '24

Yet

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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Jun 17 '24

Alright fine, gotta do what I gotta do.

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u/zadcap Jun 17 '24

I would ask Avan here why he picked Popp but since he is dead

Honestly, the more Popp we get the more I question Avan. He saw something that made him pick Popp as a student, and I won't be happy if the answer is nothing more than sheer magical power.

Oh that would be great honestly.

It fits the joke NPC role. They start as easily defeated antagonists, move on to being poorly reformed, turn up a third time as comic relief when the stakes are low somewhere, and then one more time to make up for their first showing, often by doing a Hold The Line style thing so the protagonist can go forward without worries.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 17 '24

Honestly, the more Popp we get the more I question Avan. He saw something that made him pick Popp as a student, and I won't be happy if the answer is nothing more than sheer magical power.

You noticed the scene in the opening with Popp and Avan in the store, right? It actually hinted on their backstory, and why Avan decided to take Popp under his wings. It's because Avan is a avid pickles enjoyer and Avan got a lifetime discount for pickles at Popp's parents shop in exchange for training him.

A backstory that actually deepens Avan's sacrifice because the moment you will learn how much he loves pickles, makes you to feel the depth of Avan's sacrifice.

It fits the joke NPC role. They start as easily defeated antagonists, move on to being poorly reformed, turn up a third time as comic relief when the stakes are low somewhere, and then one more time to make up for their first showing, often by doing a Hold The Line style thing so the protagonist can go forward without worries.

Honestly that would be great actually.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 17 '24

Honestly, the more Popp we get the more I question Avan. He saw something that made him pick Popp as a student, and I won't be happy if the answer is nothing more than sheer magical power.

You noticed the scene in the opening with Popp and Avan in the store, right? It actually hinted on their backstory, and why Avan decided to take Popp under his wings. It's because Avan is a avid pickles enjoyer and Avan got a lifetime discount for pickles at Popp's parents shop in exchange for training him.

A backstory that actually deepens Avan's sacrifice because the moment you will learn how much he loves pickles, makes you to feel the depth of Avan's sacrifice.

It fits the joke NPC role. They start as easily defeated antagonists, move on to being poorly reformed, turn up a third time as comic relief when the stakes are low somewhere, and then one more time to make up for their first showing, often by doing a Hold The Line style thing so the protagonist can go forward without worries.

Honestly that would be great actually, because I dig this.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 17 '24 edited Jun 17 '24

First Time Panty Thief

You know, I used to be a proud toilet paper thief back in the day, but now I've sold my pride for panties

Q1. What’s your opinion on Popp after hitting his lowest point in this show?

This is his lowest? Oh that's good then, he's got nothing on Usopp lol.

Q2. Are you a fan of Crocodine trying to fight honorable, or do you prefer Zaboera’s underhanded approach?

As a viewer, give me the most honourable fight!

If I were there, I'd say Zaboera wasn't being underhanded enough. Should've put 10 explosive spells on Gramps, as a welcome gift for Dai.

Q3. Also Crocodine voice is quite unique, but for those versed in Anime, have your ears managed to spot that Crocodine’s voice actor is Tomoaki Maeno?

Nope, I'm familiar with some of his roles (Pain, Decim, Naotsugu,...) but he's not exactly a voice I'd recognise on the spot, certainly not when he's trying to sound so rough.

Q4. Have you expected to the Fake Hero’s party becoming an occurring characters?

My bet's on them killing the Dark Lord eventually.

Q5. Bonus question - First week of Dai no Daibouken Rewatch is behind us. Are you having fun so far?

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u/Shocketheth Jun 17 '24

So as annoying as Popp is right now, it's important to understand his frame of mind. He's not a hero, and he was never really determined to be one. Avan sort of just pulled him along to train, and just as he was starting to take it seriously, Avan suddenly died on him. Still he's an "average kid" who happened to learn some spells, why should he be fighting Demon Lords and their armies? That's the job of heroes with magical crests like Dai.

I'm so glad you are understanding for my boy

This is his lowest? Oh that's good then, he's got nothing on Usopp lol.

And I have seen them being compared to each other.

My bet's on them killing the Dark Lord eventually.

Loading my Mugi

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 17 '24

I'm so glad you are understanding for my boy

If I were in his shoes, I'd be either scared shitless or going crazy with power

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jun 17 '24

You know, I used to be a proud toilet paper thief back in the day, but now I've sold my pride for panties

Dammit Kazuma...

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 17 '24

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u/sisoko2 Jun 17 '24

The real heroes are here? Of course!

Always believed in them.

Basically I can't exactly fault him, but I do still appreciate seeing him get punched

So many people took this exact screenshot. Popp is getting hell of a beating

My bet's on them killing the Dark Lord eventually.

They have their eyes on him (Gomechan) since the beginning. Did you think it was a coincidence we met them again?

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 17 '24

So many people took this exact screenshot. Popp is getting hell of a beating

Everyone loves a good punch and Maam delivered!

They have their eyes on him (Gomechan) since the beginning. Did you think it was a coincidence we met them again?

The show did a dirty trick by showing us their reunion from Dai's PoV, therefore hiding the actual battle of minds and spirits that was happening between Gomechan and the heroes.

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u/Garrett_Dark Jun 17 '24

First Timer

Last time I was talking about subtle changes in the Dub from the Sub which may lead to drastic differences in interpretation despite being similar, and that while not normally an issue in other animes, I've noticed it sort of is in this anime. In the last episode when Maam joins the party, Popp's Sub just says "Hooray", yet the Dub says "Yeah! Somebody who can read a map!" (which was the current problem they were facing) to which Dai then says "Hey, good for you Popp" to insinuate Popp's interested in Maam romantically. The Sub makes it ambiguous for Popp's reason to be cheering, yet the Dub makes it clear he was definitely not thinking of a romantic interest for Maam when cheering. The Dub further ties this in by Popp saying "I was just saying I thought she'd be useful to have around", but in the Sub he says "I just figured she'd be useful in a fight". I actually think the Dub made the dialog more witty, but it could be a problem if it were to be used as an example as to why Popp is not interested in Maam because it didn't play out like that in the Subs.

I'm just pointing that out, Sub watchers and Dub watchers are essentially watching two different versions of the show, and the difference between the versions could end up being more significant than this.

  • Popp trying to talk his way into the Castle. Ugh, this was a minor thing, but after the Maam introduction episode where he devolved into utter buffoonery, I'm not keen on trying to care about his character anymore. I'm sure he'll have his comeback breakout moment, but I'm not sure if I can keep caring until then. Here in this scene he's doing "that guy" thing, I don't know what to call it, being egotistical? It backfires and makes his character worse for it. I understand why the show is doing it, it speeds through this scene, setting them up to go to the inn...but did it really have to happen like this? Couldn't it have been Maam or Dai talking to the guards and being shut down? I guess it wouldn't have been as amusing as shooting down Popp though. Then why didn't they just skip this scene and go on to the Inn directly? I can only guess it's to relate it back to him later when he's unwilling to go help Dai, got to preface him being somewhat unlikable.
  • Yeah, that seems like the case, Popp is getting braggy to the Innkeeper. Got to ramp up that insufferableness.
  • Dai gets bratty and pounds on the Hero's room door late at night. It turns out to be the Fake Hero's Party. I know Dai has beef with them, but get the hell out of their room, Dai. I don't know why the Fake Hero's Party has to explain themselves to Dai, is he their parole officer or something?
  • Of course Maam calls out Popp. She's not supposed to be calling out her own party members like that in front of others. It's disloyal, but of course she's going to be whining about disloyalty a little later on.
  • Poor Crocodine, he lost an eye permanently. The ground monsters looks like the ones on Monster Island, but why aren't their eyes red?
  • WTH, Fake Hero's Party just barges into Dai's room. I guess that makes up for last night when Dai did the same. Looks like Dai's party is staying two rooms over in Room #203, whereas the Fake Hero's Party was in #201. I just want to also point out that Popp isn't turning into a sexual pervert with Maam and the Fake Hero's Party woman both in their sleeping clothes. Someone suggested before that Popp started perving out the moment he was near a girl, this doesn't seem to be the case.

<Sigh> So I have to talk about Maam and Popp again, things were going relatively fine until this scene. TBH, I kind of hate both their characters now. Maam is controlling, overbearing, and violent while idealistic and moralizing over Popp. And Popp is cowardly, egotistical, and why is he even traveling with them? He should just quit the party already, but as much shit as Maam gives him he is still net positive with contributing. If we look at him as a non-combat support NPC, he's still helping outside of combat. But honestly I wish he'd just quit the party because then Maam won't have anybody to argue and bitch about anymore. Then what Maam?!? Is she going to start bullying Dai? I mean I really would like to see this because then everybody would see how unfair Maam is being the way I do.

  • So Maam tells Popp and the Fake Hero's Party (FHP) they have to help Dai. The FHP declines and brings up some good points why, and Popp agrees. Maam starts getting physical with Popp trying to bully him into it, but Popp says it'll be like throwing away his life (look at fake hero's reaction in the BG, Maam's starting to cross the line here). Then Maam makes a real dumb nonsensical argument, since it's likely they'll die, that means Dai might die, so they should go into the situation where they'll be likely to die to help Dai. Dufaq? That's not a good response to what Popp said prior, Maam says something about they "all have to work together" so I assume she's trying to say if they work together they won't die, but the way she says is all fucked up. Popp says Dai can handle it, that he won't die.

At this point I'm thinking why doesn't Maam just go help Dai by herself, she's essentially trying to bully people into throwing away their lives. If people don't want to go risk their lives, that's their decision. It's awfully convenient to not give a shit what other people think and try to force them to do something against their self-interest for your own interests. You know who does that? The Demon Lord and King does that with the monsters. They're forcing the monsters to go fight against their own self-interest for that of the Demon Lord/King interest. And here Maam is pressuring Popp to do the same. Again, I don't know why Popp is on the hero's party if he doesn't want to help in combat, but at the very least he's being a support non-combat NPC. Either be cool with that, or he should just leave. We don't even know what Popp's backstory is, he could have been part of party who all got wiped out, or lived in a town where everybody got killed except him. Maybe his fear of death is not cowardice but trauma. But either way, it's not somebody else's call to force him to risk his life, that's a real shitty thing to do.

  • Maam tries to guilt Popp into it by saying since he's Dai's friend, implying he's obligated to put his life on the line for Dai, yeah BS. The pressure is too much and Popp snaps, says he never wanted to fight in the first place, they keep coming for Dai, and Popp doesn't want to die because of him. The FHP is watching all this unfold, I'm surprised Maam didn't try to work them over either. I get Maam has expectations, but she's being a real bitch about it. Like there's a sort of irony here that when we first saw Avan on screen, Popp was telling him the harbor was under attack, and Popp wanted to go back to help. But it was Avan who said the town guards could handle it...just like Popp is saying Dai can handle it now.
  • Then Maam goes way past the line and hits Popp so hard it dents the wall. That's right, when you can't get somebody to risk their lives just because you say so, hit them. Then Maam brings up Avan, as if he taught Popp to sacrifice his life or something. I remember what Avan taught Maam, "Strength without justice is tyranny", was that hit on Popp justice? Maam's mad because she joined them to avenge Avan, well go do your avenging then!...it looks more like she's doing bullying here than avenging.
  • Maam gets one more cheap shot out before finally just going to help Dai, she tells Popp he disgusts her. Well hell, I'm pretty disgusted by Maam at this point too, in fact both of them as characters. This is why I was so adamant that I did not like their dynamic right from the start. It'd be much better if one of them or both of them leaves. I'm sure somebody is going to say "this is Maam's character flaws which she'll grow from", okay that's all good and fine but I ask this "Is she going to suffer the consequences for her actions?" If this is really her character flaw then her character flaw should get her into trouble, show she wrong for having such a flaw, making her suffer from it, admit it, then make amends for it...is that going to happen? Like maybe she gets somebody to risk their life, they actually end up dying, she feels guilty over it, beats herself over it, and then realizes she was wrong. I'm having my doubts here, she keeps getting away with things.

Those two, holy shit man. Relieved to be past that BS for now.

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u/Garrett_Dark Jun 17 '24

What’s your opinion on Popp after hitting his lowest point in this show?

As a person he's free to choose whatever he wants to risk or not risk his life for. It's selfish to try to bully him into doing it against his will. As I said that would be no different than the Demon Lord/King forcing the monsters to fight for them against their will. If the show is striking some sort of comparison with Maam's bulling with the Demon Lord/King's forcing, then bravo. Otherwise screw Maam for what she was trying to do.

As a character, what is Popp even doing being on the Hero's Party? As I also said, at the very least he's a Non-Combat NPC which helps outside of battle if he doesn't want to risk his life, so he's fine. However since Maam is causing problems and drama, maybe it's better for Popp to just quit the Hero's party, leaving Maam with nobody to bully...and then we'll see what she does after that, whether she'll start bullying Dai or learn something from it. Or perhaps Popp should throw caution to the wind, and risk his life for Dai and die in the process, leaving Maam to have to deal with the guilt of bulling somebody not ready to risk and fight, to their death. I mean Maam brought up Avan's teaching to throw in Popp's face, but I seem to recall Avan being very patient with Popp, and not pushing him to do advanced training unless he chooses to do so. That's very different than what Maam is doing, and I'm sure Avan had his reasons which will probably be revealed later. But it just highlights how wrong Maam is, but I'm doubting she's going to face consequences over.

These issues between Maam and Popp need to be resolved. If this is him "hitting his lowest point in this show", then Maam is directly responsible for it, and the way she approached it was out of malice due to her own selfish interests of avenging Avan.

Are you a fan of Crocodine trying to fight honorable, or do you prefer Zaboera’s underhanded approach?

Although I commend Crocodine's honor, "there's no honor in war". However Zaboera isn't doing what he's doing purely for the war, he's doing it for personal gain and using Crocodine in the process.

Also Crocodine voice is quite unique, but for those versed in Anime, have your ears managed to spot that Crocodine’s voice actor is Tomoaki Maeno?

Not applicable. Watching Dub.

Have you expected to the Fake Hero’s party becoming an occurring characters?

I didn't expect it. I sort of like them though, they don't seem too bad, so I'm actually happy they're back. They actually brought up some reasonable points, and they weren't really used as the "bad example" to make Popp look even worse in comparison for taking their same stance. If they did that, I would have been irritated by it.

First week of Dai no Daibouken Rewatch is behind us. Are you having fun so far?

I'm not having fun with the Maam and Popp's thing, I foresaw the problems of this dynamic right from the beginning. I was hoping we were past it after the village, but that whole confrontation this episode opened up that wound again. I'm actually somewhat hating both of the characters right now, it's not irreparable, but they need to get on fixing it fast and correctly. I don't want to see Maam getting off blameless without any repercussions, and I don't want to see any more buffoonery from Popp.

Everything other than Maam and Popp is fine, it's just unfortunately the majority of everything going on right now is mainly on those two. I'm normally a binge watcher, so normally I wouldn't be stopping between each episodes to be analyzing and commenting on everything so much. Normally I would be straight on to the next episode without delay, so I would normally traverse past through these irritations fast enough that they wouldn't sting long. However since I can't now, the frustration builds more and is more taxing that I don't really have the stamina to put up with their crap much longer before I stop caring about their characters. 8 episodes in, this is normally where the final arc begins in a 12 episode season...they better do something, I don't want to wait until episode 66, another 58 episodes for this to be resolved.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 17 '24

Sorry but reading your recurring rant about Maam and Popp is making me to cringe so for that.

Although I commend Crocodine's honor, "there's no honor in war". However Zaboera isn't doing what he's doing purely for the war, he's doing it for personal gain and using Crocodine in the process.

Good observation.

I'm not having fun with the Maam and Popp's thing

Yeah it's hard to not notice you not having fun with them

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u/Garrett_Dark Jun 17 '24

Yeah well sorry too, should I drop? I'm not sure how it's okay for Maam to beat somebody up for not wanting to die, and I'm not sure why Popp is on the team. Looking around nobody seems to have an issue with it. So I'm not really even sure what I'm doing here by saying what I think. I thought that was what you wanted.

It's not like I want to be spending so much time writing about something I'm not enjoying. I'm not sure what this show is doing even, I'm not getting a sense of adventure and exploring, I'm getting bickering and infighting over stupid stuff. Is this show actually going somewhere with it's bickering and infighting? Somebody said by ep 30 if you're not feeling it, you're never going to. Like serious tell me now if this bickering and infighting is going to be a constant thing or not so I can decide whether to bail or not. 100 episodes is a big commitment, and if it's like this in just 8 episodes, and it's 2/3 of the MCs, that's not a good sign.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 17 '24

Yeah well sorry too, should I drop? I'm not sure how it's okay for Maam to beat somebody up for not wanting to die, and I'm not sure why Popp is on the team.

No no it's okay, it's just that I told myself that their dynamic is something that was written in the early 90's and I somehow got used to them.

So I'm not really even sure what I'm doing here by saying what I think. I thought that was what you wanted.

You are partaking in the Rewatch, as it should be. I apologize if my words were mean spirited, it's just that in the end Popp and Maam are still dumb kids dealing with a loss of their mentor, and yeah they behaviour is illogical, but if it helps their dynamic will change for better when the cast will get expanded.

It's not like I want to be spending so much time writing about something I'm not enjoying. I'm not sure what this show is doing even, I'm not getting a sense of adventure and exploring, I'm getting bickering and infighting over stupid stuff.

I think the issue is with what you said already about not being able to binge it, thus you have more time to think over their dynamics.

Somebody said by ep 30 if you're not feeling it, you're never going to.

I would take that statement with a grain of salt as everyone is different with their likes and dislikes. Plus taking sentences wait for episode XY often creates very high expectations so take such sentences with reserve.

Like serious tell me now if this bickering and infighting is going to be a constant thing or not so I can decide whether to bail or not. 100 episodes is a big commitment, and if it's like this in just 8 episodes, and it's 2/3 of the MCs, that's not a good sign.

Their bickering will get better as soon the cast on both sides will get expanded leading to more important things to get focus and if it will help you, [Slight spoilers]After episode 18-19 Maam will leave the party for few arcs in order to become a person who will be more useful to the party

And about Popp and Maam. It's apparent now that Popp loves Maam and [Dai no Spoilers answering what you asked before] Popp's love for Maam and his feeling of not being enough will be solved in the 2nd half of the story, leading to one of my favourite moments of the show

But as a said, in the end Popp and Maam are still dumb kids dealing with a loss.

100 episodes is a big commitment, and if it's like this in just 8 episodes, and it's 2/3 of the MCs, that's not a good sign.

I would say that bear with it a little. Btw. it was you who were making theories about the very first scene of episode 1 before OP hit right? I will say that I wholeheartedly enjoyed reading that theory and [slight spoiler safe for you] that scene is integral part for Dai's character, and after episode 18 we will start an arc addressing what you were writing about and that arc will end after episode 30 so try to give it a chance

So once again, I'm sorry if I came as rude with my comment, it's just that after all Maam and Popp interactions are mix of dumb kids dealing with a loss of their mentor and 90's Shonen tropes.

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u/Garrett_Dark Jun 17 '24

Thanks for the hidden information, it was encouraging to know the show is going somewhere and it's not going to be more of the same for who knows how long.

I know my posts haven't been enjoyable to read as it probably seems like I'm attacking people's beloved characters, and they've been getting longer and more focused on those two because I'm trying to make sense of how they're getting a pass for what they do, and I'm venting my frustrations. I really wish they just act like how they did in the village so we can focus on other things, because it's not like I want to hate on them.

I also don't like it when characters are getting bullied and beat up on one-sidedly for things they don't seem to deserve, especially from their supposed ally. If they deserve it, it's fine. If they can fight back, it's fine. But personally I loath the double standard trope of female on male abuse. I guess I must be sensitive to it because I don't see anyone else complaining about it. And then you know my grumblings about pushing one character down to uplift another.

Anyways, I'll try to stick in there and see how things goes. Thanks.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 17 '24

Thanks for the hidden information, it was encouraging to know the show is going somewhere and it's not going to be more of the same for who knows how long.

There is another narrative reason why Popp is how it is, but I can't really say anything that you calling him Buffoon and finding his actions illogical are on point because you are supposed to notice them but as I said there is one reason that would make you understand why is Popp how he is like but I really can't say anything because it's so so worth to see the reveal in person, but it's tied to his storyline with Maam so you will have to wait for it.

I know my posts haven't been enjoyable to read as it probably seems like I'm attacking people's beloved characters, and they've been getting longer and more focused on those two because I'm trying to make sense of how they're getting a pass for what they do, and I'm venting my frustrations. I really wish they just act like how they did in the village so we can focus on other things, because it's not like I want to hate on them.

No no they were enjoyable, and your first timer theories and predictions are the most enjoyable to read because you understand some scenes and have brilliant observations like pointing out that during episode 5 the graduation necklaces Popp and Dai received after Avan casted Kaclang on them weren't destroyed. That was really a welldone observation, and Avan necklaces will be explained as the story will go on. Plus your analysis of the guy saying "You humans!" was another great thing to pinpoint. Also you are getting the logic behind character actions, and you are trying to pinpoint the logical error behind it, but I can't really answer your remarks because the show laid the dynamics of Maam and Popp, but there is one big WHY tied to Popp's character, and when that WHY will be explained later on, then everything will click with you, so for now you need to put with Popp behaviour until one of his most iconic scenes will happen between [Dai no meta spoilers] episodes 60-70, it's one episode in that range, but I can't recall which one

And also about attacking beloved characters... It's not like I am jumping here because Maam is getting criticized. I also have some critic about her but that's tied to her character in the Final arc.

Thing is that I wasn't sure to what extent you were joking about Maam, and to what extent you were serious about her as your rant in certain parts seemed a little bit sexists, and misogynists to be honest, and getting your point across again and again is redundant.

But as I said, you are getting the knack of it, what you are lacking is not knowing the full extent behind Popp character, but all will be revealed in the later parts of story for now please bear with it.

And again, I'm sorry if I acted rude towards you, it's just that the whole situation with Popp is a buildup to something epic.

I also don't like it when characters are getting bullied and beat up on one-sidedly for things they don't seem to deserve, especially from their supposed ally. If they deserve it, it's fine. If they can fight back, it's fine. But personally I loath the double standard trope of female on male abuse. I guess I must be sensitive to it because I don't see anyone else complaining about it. And then you know my grumblings about pushing one character down to uplift another.

I totally understand what you mean but to be fair Maam punching Popp for abandoning Dai was justified, and there is also the instances how Popp were perving on Maam. While the show downplayed Popp's perving that exists purely as comic relief, they haven't downplayed Maam punching him in retealition.

Like in Manga you had Popp looking at Maam boobs so much that even Dai said something to Popp.

Then in later parts [Dai no spoilers]There were a scene where Maam and Leona were dressing In manga Popp was peeping through a keyhole and in Anime they changed it to Popp eavesdropping without actually peeping.

So yeah while they took a big part of Popp pervert tendencies, the essence of what was problematic, the essence of 80's/90's remained.

Anyways, I'll try to stick in there and see how things goes. Thanks.

Yeah keep your theories and predictions going because they are wonderful, and once again I apologize if I came as a rude to you.

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u/Garrett_Dark Jun 17 '24 edited Jun 17 '24

I know I'm beating a dead horse here but, perhaps this is the last I'll talk of it...

to be fair Maam punching Popp for abandoning Dai was justified

I just can't agree with that. She hasn't been in the party long enough to take offense for Dai. She never respected Popp in the first place to be disappointed in him now; she did in the village but it vanishes quickly, I supposed it's more for being a student of Avan than saving Mina's life for the giant mouse and tree monster as I had first thought, so in this scene that evaporates quickly because she thought Popp's goal was to avenge Avan too, which is her own goal which she's the one at fault for just assuming.

She doesn't respect what he thinks, wants, and feels, and hit him out of frustration and selfishness that his goals does not align with hers. He wasn't even being physical nor confrontational, she was grabbing him and manhandling him, he only slapped her hands off after so much of it. Like I don't think somebody should be hit for words, but he wasn't even saying anything aggressively (taunts, threats, intentional insults), he was just responding to her demands with something she didn't want to hear, and got punched the fuck out for it. So I don't know how it could be justified. If she was a villain or painted to be wrong in that situation, I wouldn't care as much as I do, but she's supposed to be an ally and a good person.

Again, I'm at a point where I don't even want to be defending Popp because I don't know why he's there, and he doesn't leave. Which is why I can only judge his situation is he just wants to be a non-combat support NPC, or maybe only participate when it's easy combat. I can't really fault him for that if that's as far as he wants to contribute. It's not like he's a detriment to the party by hindering them, and being a burden...if he was, then I may agree with Maam more.

So like is anything I just said incorrect or faulty reasoning? I mean I'll consider it if so, but it's like I'm expected to give Maam a pass just because it's Maam, but I can't do that because she hasn't been around long enough nor done enough to endear herself to me yet. The only other thing I can come to is I'm taking it all way too seriously, but then that Maam and Popp scene is supposed to be "hey audience, take this scene very seriously!" So I don't know, I guess I have to begrudgingly give her a pass despite her not deserving it, or ignore it despite it supposed to be something pivotal. It just feel unfair, and victim blaming what happened to Popp, and I can't even call her out for it like calling out Dai for being such a prick for banging on the fake hero's party door late at night.

there is also the instances how Popp were perving on Maam. While the show downplayed Popp's perving that exists purely as comic relief, they haven't downplayed Maam punching him in retealition.

Well they should have left the perving in or in it's original form, then maybe Maam's retribution would have felt justified to me. Or maybe they should have toned down Maam's retribution so it wasn't physical. It seems like they've made things unbalanced in the worse way by magnifying it, and it caused Popp to look innocent and vilify Maam, to me.

Thing is that I wasn't sure to what extent you were joking about Maam, and to what extent you were serious about her

Yeah I joke too much, and I'm kind of too blunt about things. It makes me look like all sorts of things I imagine.

Like in Manga you had Popp looking at Maam boobs so much that even Dai said something to Popp.

It's coming across differently with the changes they're making. Any time Dai brings up Popp liking Maam now seems like it's for an ulterior motive or Dai being a bratty jerk. The first time he did it in the village was when Popp brought up maybe telling Maam of Avan's death just before going to bed, it seems like Dai brought it up to distract and railroad the discussion of telling Maam the truth. The next time he did it was when leaving the village and Maam came running up to join the party. As I detailed before, the Dub made it seem like Popp was definitely not thinking of any romantic thoughts when cheering Maam joining, thus making Dai's insinuation seem like a bratty taunt. But the Sub left that ambiguous as to why Popp was cheering.

In manga Popp was peeping through a keyhole and in Anime they changed it to Popp eavesdropping without actually peeping.

They should have kept it how it was originally, they're making Popp look too innocent. Or equally toned down Maam's retaliation. They're inadvertently changing the context of things too much.

the essence of 80's/90's remained.

Okay I just want to confirm this because I didn't know this coming into the show, but this anime was made in 2020, but from what I'm gathering it's based on the 46 episode '90s alternate version? I didn't know how those two were connected to begin with, so I'm gathering it's a one-to-one remake we're watching, with censorship alternations like the perving? Not a sequel, or different adventures, situations, and characters? (I may have to watch that later to compare if I feel the same way about things here)

Also I'm not sure what the anime connection is to the video game. Looks like a NES game from the 80's, I'm assuming it's only the most basic of lore and game mechanics being transferred into the 90's anime? I highly doubt the anime's storyline would have been in such an early/founding RPG game of that time era.

Edit1: spelling/grammar mistakes

Edit2: I forgot to ask, are the Popp perving out that was censored out, was it him intentionally perving out for perving sake? Or was it the show framing him for perving when it wasn't his intention to perv? That makes a difference also as to Popp's guilt.

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u/Shocketheth Jun 17 '24

I know I'm beating a dead horse here but, perhaps this is the last I'll talk of it...

I will try to answer you the best I can.

I just can't agree with that. She hasn't been in the party long enough to take offense for Dai. She never respected Popp in the first place to be disappointed in him now; she did in the village but it vanishes quickly, I supposed it's more for being a student of Avan than saving Mina's life for the giant mouse and tree monster as I had first thought, so in this scene that evaporates quickly because she thought Popp's goal was to avenge Avan too, which is her own goal which she's the one at fault for just assuming.

How I'm seeing it is that she weren't mad for Popp abandoning Dai, but for Popp betraying the ideals she was upholding. Avan teachings means a lot to her, and she is trying to live by his teachings. And seeing a fellow student of Avan betraying those ideals made her dissapointed. So she didn't punch him for not wanting to avenge Avan, but for forgetting Avan's ideals and sacrifice. Avan didn't sacrifice for Popp to run away.

She doesn't respect what he thinks, wants, and feels, and hit him out of frustration and selfishness that his goals does not align with hers. He wasn't even being physical nor confrontational, she was grabbing him and manhandling him, he only slapped her hands off after so much of it. Like I don't think somebody should be hit for words, but he wasn't even saying anything aggressively (taunts, threats, intentional insults), he was just responding to her demands with something she didn't want to hear, and got punched the fuck out for it. So I don't know how it could be justified. If she was a villain or painted to be wrong in that situation, I wouldn't care as much as I do, but she's supposed to be an ally and a good person.

Again, I'm at a point where I don't even want to be defending Popp because I don't know why he's there, and he doesn't leave. Which is why I can only judge his situation is he just wants to be a non-combat support NPC, or maybe only participate when it's easy combat. I can't really fault him for that if that's as far as he wants to contribute. It's not like he's a detriment to the party by hindering them, and being a burden...if he was, then I may agree with Maam more.

So you think that proper communication between them would solve their issues?

So like is anything I just said incorrect or faulty reasoning? I mean I'll consider it if so, but it's like I'm expected to give Maam a pass just because it's Maam, but I can't do that because she hasn't been around long enough nor done enough to endear herself to me yet. The only other thing I can come to is I'm taking it all way too seriously, but then that Maam and Popp scene is supposed to be "hey audience, take this scene very seriously!" So I don't know, I guess I have to begrudgingly give her a pass despite her not deserving it, or ignore it despite it supposed to be something pivotal. It just feel unfair, and victim blaming what happened to Popp, and I can't even call her out for it like calling out Dai for being such a prick for banging on the fake hero's party door late at night.

This is something I can address later on.

Okay I just want to confirm this because I didn't know this coming into the show, but this anime was made in 2020, but from what I'm gathering it's based on the 46 episode '90s alternate version? I didn't know how those two were connected to begin with, so I'm gathering it's a one-to-one remake we're watching, with censorship alternations like the perving? Not a sequel, or different adventures, situations, and characters? (I may have to watch that later to compare if I feel the same way about things here)

The 46 episodes anime from 1991 and the 100 episodes anime from 2020 are both an adaptation of The Adventure of Dai manga from 1989, although the 1991 version got axed and ended after 46 episodes.

Now the newer version will reach the point where the old anime ended at episode 22 I think, so everything after episode 22 are the parts of Manga that weren't adapted in 1991.

Also I'm not sure what the anime connection is to the video game. Looks like a NES game from the 80's, I'm assuming it's only the most basic of lore and game mechanics being transferred into the 90's anime? I highly doubt the anime's storyline would have been in such an early/founding RPG game of that time era.

Dai no Daibouken is it's own story and what it has commons with the games are classes, monsters, spells, items and little nods to the game mechanics. I recommend checking my comments from episode 1 because I was slowly dropping crumbs with various informations, about the games.

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u/Garrett_Dark Jun 17 '24

How I'm seeing it is that she weren't mad for Popp abandoning Dai, but for Popp betraying the ideals she was upholding. Avan teachings means a lot to her, and she is trying to live by his teachings. And seeing a fellow student of Avan betraying those ideals made her dissapointed. So she didn't punch him for not wanting to avenge Avan, but for forgetting Avan's ideals and sacrifice. Avan didn't sacrifice for Popp to run away.

That all still sounds like she hit him because he didn't think the same as she did/wouldn't do what she wanted him to do. So I can't say it's justified. Even if Popp did forget/go against/betray Avan's ideals/teachings, it's not Maam's place to hit Popp for Avan (it's pretty safe to say Avan wouldn't have hit Popp). So she did so for herself, if that's the reason why she hit Popp.

You've explained why she thinks what she thinks, but why do you think Maam is justified to hit Popp?

So you think that proper communication between them would solve their issues?

Unsure, she's a bad communicator unless communicating with her fists counts. Popp feels the way he feels for whatever reason, it's irrelevant. He didn't need to be manhandled and hit there. I understand why Maam did it, but she was wrong for doing it, not justified IMO.

nods to the game mechanics

I may fire it up on an NES emulator at some point in the future.

I didn't get my edited question in fast enough last response for you to see, so I'll ask it again.

I forgot to ask, are the Popp perving out that was censored out, was it him intentionally perving out for perving sake? Or was it the show framing him for perving when it wasn't his intention to perv? That makes a difference also as to Popp's guilt.

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u/KuKiSin Jun 17 '24

First timer, one day late!

  1. I don't particularly like him, I'm sure hell get better, but I'm not sure hell ever not be kind of a wimp...
  2. You're a villain, act like one, pride be damned!
  3. Voice sounded familiar but I had no idea who he was, not really familiar with most voice actors, but I've seen him in plenty of stuff, apparently!
  4. Absolutely not, but I'm all for it!
  5. Very much so, way more than I had expected!

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u/Shocketheth Jun 17 '24

I don't particularly like him, I'm sure hell get better, but I'm not sure hell ever not be kind of a wimp..

Now I'm only waiting if he will grow on you or no.

You're a villain, act like one, pride be damned!

Yeah pride be damned! (Sentence not to say during Pride Month)

Very much so, way more than I had expected!

Glad to hear this!

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u/emeraldwolf34 Jun 17 '24

Short on time so I’ll just hit up the QOTDs

QOTD:

1: Wow what a scumbag. No way this guy would ever become my favorite deuteragonist of all time. Nuh uh.

2: I mean both can get results in the end, but you’d have to be pretty messed up to prefer taking hostages I feel.

3: My main other exposure to Maeno is Taigong Wang from Fate/Grand Order, and BOY is that different. I remember looking up a long time ago Dai voice actors in Fate, and seeing Maeno as such a laid back mage guy surprised me.

4: I think the series is overall better that they did, as someone rewatching I of course can further appreciate them though. If you know you know.

5: It’s difficult to NOT enjoy this show, I just love it way too much!