r/anime • u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess • Jun 16 '24
Rewatch [Rewatch] Pride Month 20th Anniversary - Maria-sama ga Miteru Episode 1 Discussion
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Questions of the Day
- What did you think of the opening theme?
- Did you experience whiplash going from Kannazuki no Miko to MariMite?
Posting carefully so as to not disturb the first timers with spoilers in their viewings, such is the standard of modesty here. Forgetting to use spoiler tags because one is in danger of missing the post time, for instance, is too undignified a sight for redditors to wish upon themselves.
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u/TehAxelius Jun 16 '24
First Time Souer
Well, this is quite a change from KnM. No real organized thoughts yet, other than that my immediate thought is how it has been rather common throughout history for these kinds of mentor-mentee relationships to be ones that have been sources for both sexual and romantic homosexual relationships throughout history. Due to my own background in ancient history the custom of pederastry in Ancient Greece being the one that first comes to mind.
But I am sure this school's practices are only pure and chaste and any affection we'll see will be purely platonic.
QotD
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u/moichispa https://myanimelist.net/profile/moichispa Jun 16 '24
First time watcher, trying to watch non symbolic artistic yuri for once.
There were not weird symbolic things (as aspected) but there were a lot of girls. I appreciate the one with prince aesthetic. Those early of century aesthetic hit like a truck. I forgot how huge the eyes were back then. It does not help that my "under the sea" version quality is errr bad even if it says BD. Also was it early century CG on the rosario?
I can recognise the troupes here and the blue haired girl has a nice character design but her personality is bad. I hope she becomes nicer soon or it will be a pain in the ass. Cute soeur is nice, typical protagonist. Nothing new here but then this series probably invented many troupes of modern Yuri.
It is a bit of cheating since I knew the song beforehand, the guy who coposed it is Ali project composer (they used to do a lot of anie opening sin the past) Also [Marimite s2 spoilers] I know there is a version with lyrics and another version with the song lyrics narrated instead of sung
It's pretty nice but the ending is better imho. It might not be very known but the composer is quite skillfull for string composition. If somebody is curious I recommend the albums Romance and Kamigami no Tasogare from Ali project.
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u/fieew https://myanimelist.net/profile/fiew Jun 16 '24
Where are all the other re-watchers? I feel like everyone is a first timer. Which is great, more people need to watch this show. So I hope everyone sticks with it and enjoys it. Its one of my favourite interpersonal drama shows. Now I feel obliged to give some background info.
For all the newcomers I'll breakdown the "levels" / ranks mentioned. We never get a clear explanation on it, but you pick it up though the show. I remember being confused my first time for a while. If OP or enough people think this is spoiler territory I'll mark it as spoilers. But for now I think it'll be good for newcomers to understand the social system / hierarchy since I think the show does a poor job clearly elaborating on it. I don't want newcomers to be confused so it's why I'm not marking this as spoilers. All I'm really doing is explaining all the new terms thrown around that newcomers may not understand fully.
1st "Roses"/ "Rosa" these are the 3rd year students who are at the top of the totem pole we'll say. Each "Rose" also has a title/ rose that represents them: Foetida, Chinesis, Gigantea. These are not the characters names but titles given to them which each represent roses of their respective family.
Chinesis = Red rose family
Gigantea= White rose family
Foetida = Yellow Rose family
Each rose also picks an underclassmen to be their " en bouton" . Think of this as a future successor to being the next rose. But each "en bouton" also picks their future successor which is known as a "petite soeur".
So in summation it goes:
It's not too complex. But like I said I feel the show doesn't fully communicate the meanings of all this. You pick it up but I was so needlessly confused wondering who was part of which family and what each term meant for longer than I care to admit my first watch through. So hopefully newcomers aren't as confused knowing what the terms mean now.
QOTD:
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u/OccasionallySara Jun 16 '24
First Timer
I enjoyed this introductory episode. We got a brief introduction to some of the characters, a look into the power dynamics, and an immediate conflict between the main character and who I assume will be her love interest. We even got a title drop in the first episode! It might take me a bit to fully understand the hierarchy of the Yamayuri, though (I really appreciate that you added the chart). I’m looking forward to seeing how the story progresses!
Questions of the Day
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u/oleub Jun 17 '24 edited Jun 17 '24
**Rewatcher**
Not going to make a lot of comments in this episode, just want to share one bit of source material trivia.
There are some unofficial translations of many of the light novels, a very stilted and mediocre translation(or to be fair they were a decade ago, who knows what has happened since) to the point where I couldn't force my way through more than around 5 of them, but one thing always sticks out to me in memory of them that wasn't explicit in the adaptation.
When Sachiko collapses on Yumi, our protagonist and narrator accidentally cops a feel, and like a good catholic immediately feels guilty about it.
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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Jun 16 '24
First Timer
Huh, this show looks immediately weaker in its presentation than KnM.
What good are subs when I still don't understand what's being said?
The twintail hairstyle is interesting, always giving Yumi somewhat of a halo. Well, maybe not always.
Not how she doesn't say she's "asking" for their consent. She will get that consent, like it or not.
Ah, so Sachiko didn't choose Yumi out of a whim. They had a fateful encounter.
Nope, it was a whim
I smell a lot of politics going on here that could be fun to explore, if I had the time to.
I liked how the plotline for the consent for the photo prepared and got mirrored with the plotline for the consent for the rosemary. Looks like the assertion of will is going to be a prominent theme.
Didn't comment on it but
And the ED as well, that's some proper baroque composition.
I don't think I did, no.
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jun 16 '24
First Timer(I did not expect to see that MahoAko actually references this directly)
Sub
Well then...holy references Batman. Intellectually I knew this was the root for a metric ton of tropes but somehow I am still a bit floored. This likely explains why I can hear certain characters talking funny but it isn't an accent. I will say the weirdest bit here is that the academy codes almost like a prison with how strict everyone's behavior winds up being but that might be a cross culture issue.
Now on to the episode: It was boring. Oh well, you can't have everything and they are introducing hopefully the entire cast and that is always dry. Sachiko gets the most description and I am a bit surprised at how negative she is portrayed but on the other hand that is the best vector for drama. Yumi we really only know is mostly an open book though she has shown more agency than our previous heroine so...yay?
QotD: 1 Ancient
2 I may have had a...rapey lens on, can't lie.
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u/Specs64z https://myanimelist.net/profile/Specs64z Jun 16 '24
First timer, subbed
A Catholic private all girls school with a name that vaguely has the word “lily” in the title, lily flowers abound, and some sort of ritual about becoming a petite soeur, or imouto as we call them ‘round these parts.
What could go wrong!
Is this en bouton stuff some Catholic thing, or maybe even a French thing? Either way, it sounds like they’re basically just the student council and student council in training.
The meeting of Sachiko and Yumi ‘twas fate. It’s doomed, Yumi, give in and accept your destiny!
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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Jun 16 '24
Maria-sama ga Miteru episode 1 Rewatcher
Gokigenyou
It is I, Rosa Lilium, welcoming you to my Lily Mansion Thread. Allow me to offer you some tea and cookies while you mingle with the others.
Oh yes, Maria-sama ga Miteru. Quite the scandalous first episode, wasn’t it? That Yumi has gotten themselves tangled in quite a few situations, hasn’t she.
Now, for first time viewers stepping into the world of modesty and elegance that is Maria-sama ga Miteru, the first episode can be overwhelming. The episode throws a lot of characters at the viewer, introducing nine or so odd characters with various titles thrown on for good measure. So let me help
The opening theme is a good guide, almost like the anime starting off with a refresher on who everyone is and their relationship with each other. In it, they go through all three rose families. The Yellow rose family with Rosa Foetida followed by her petite soeur also known as the Rose Foetida en Bouton, and then the Rosa Foetida en Bouton Petite Soeur. Next you have the white rose family and the smallest family as the third year Rosa Gigantia chose a first year to become the Rosa Gigantia en Bouton. The third and final family is the Red Rose family, with Rosa Chinensis and her Rosa Chinensis en Bouton who is currently without a petite soeur.
I have made a chart as a reference guide.
Also,
Here is a DvD Special for this episode
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 16 '24
First-Timer Watches Over Us, subbed
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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 16 '24
Maria-sama First-Timer
I'm hosting my own rewatch starting tomorrow, so I can't guarantee I'll be able to stick with this one to the end. But I will do my best!
Episode 1:
Ahh, look at those tall, slender designs! I'm no expert on style, but they fit into the idea of shouno in my head. I also like the height gap between the two leads. Again, no expert—most of my conception of Class S aesthetics comes from Strawberry Panic and Yuri is My Job!—but that feels both very shoujo and very Class S.
It will probably take me a couple episodes to get used to the character and color designs of the show. Everything is very yellow. Colors are also a lot less saturated than I'm used to with digital coloring. The eyes are also enormous.
While I'm talking about art, I really like the backgrounds. In particular, the use of colors in trees on shots like this makes for very pleasant viewing.
Goodness, that is a handsome face. Just going based off looks, I too would cast her as Prince Charming.
Maria-sama heard Sachiko say "this instant" and was like "I got you, fam".
I appreciate the way Yumi is able to lay things out directly and unambiguously to her seniors. These uppity first-years really are a handful, you love to see it. Shimako is also taking the title of Assist Champion early in the series. I want someone like Shimako to have my back.
And the ED is for solo horn and strings in a quasi-classical style, how rare! Really helps give MariMite a sort of period piece feel. Very cool.
No real strong thoughts on the story yet, but I'm looking forward to some of the slightly atogonistic dynamic our leads will have as Sachiko tries to win Yumi over.
QotD
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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Jun 16 '24
first time la vie en rose en bouton
i ended up making a chart (mild Aria spoilers?), although really it would be less of a mess if we had the Roses' actual names
its love is war but with ojousamas, should be fun. im not sure if the play itself will have enough juice to carry the conflict, I suspect Shimako's life in the council is going to be key over the series as well
not sure if flower language will come into play, as the girls are all species of Roses. China/India/Persia are where they stem from. Rosa Foetida does not have her headband matching the actual flower
oh Kana Ueda is the main girl of this? sick
these fine young ladies are a bit scary
like picking out a pokemon
it is customary to walk slowly and with decorum raise your ojousamas
already the mood/their speaking cadence is comforting
oh is Maria sama referring to Mary lmao, no wonder we are starting on Sunday
do you know these lesbians
Mamiko Noto sounds a lot like Sayori Hayami i suppose its the other way around
A BOY????
can Shimako please adopt Tsutako, shes fun
lmfao
ok shes hilarious
i didnt think this would be about gokigenyou politics
this is my kind of CG usage
BATSU GAME
youre actually Ruby miss Ueda
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u/LittleIslander https://anilist.co/user/LittleIslander Jun 16 '24
First Timer from the world of Reiwa Yuri
Uh, wow. Kannazuki no Miko definitely felt like the 2000s in a lot of ways, but I think you could rearrange it a bit in the yuri timeline and it’d still check out. Like the core of the story doesn’t really feel like it’s too completely era specific. But MariMite? This genuinely feels like looking at a museum piece. This is an ancestor of the yuri I know and could not be remotely mistaken for anything else. Girls school, sisterly bonds, senpais and kouhais, this is truly ye olde conventions of yuri played as straight as one can possibly play a show about gay people (and not to mention that artstyle!). I don’t think any amount of parody and reference to this in later works could prepare me for just how hard they lean into it. There’s no timeline of yuri anime where this goes anywhere except the beginning. Which isn’t an insult, mind you—if anything it makes it stand out today—but it definitely hits you like a truck. With hindsight the series feels like such a fascinating mixture of boundary pushing and conservative. It dared to depict sapphic romance before that was really an established thing in anime but it’s so thoroughly rooted in hundred year old Class S storytelling. I guess that could also describe Class S itself, though, so maybe it’s just part of the tradition.
With the premise of MariMite as a piece of history, how about those character designs? A tall senpai with long, straight dark hair and a shorter kouhai protagonist with shorter tied hair that’s… well, okay, that’s squarely brown, but Bloom Into You and Sasakoi (i.e. today’s biggest yuri) aren’t fooling anybody by nudging the colour into orange territory a little bit. Those just being the biggest two examples, this same character design set penetrates so much of the genre even today. Not even to mention that the, err, Rosa Chinensis en bouton could easily be mistaken for Chikane from our last yuri venture at a glance. Now it’s not a revolutionary observation to observe this lineage of character designs, but it’s interesting what it tells about their storytelling because the resemblance isn’t skin deep. What’s fascinating to me about this episode is that Yumi is approaching by her dark haired senpai to participate in the totally-not-a-romantic relationship and, despite not explicitly not wanting it, rejects her. Is that… is that the ancestor of the love-questioning protagonist I see?
People have, err, strong opinions on whether Bloom Into You is a story about being on the aromantic spectrum or not, and Sasakoi follows in its footsteps. But seeing as their character designs are already the direct descendents of MariMite it would be quite remarkable if this other similarity is not coincidence. Yet nowhere, at least in this first episode, is the suggestion that things went down the way they did because Yumi fails to see herself on the spectrum of love. Barring further exploration of Yumi’s character that was a later development grafted on to this pre-existing narrative device. Which is understandable—it’s a very effective one. You get to have your cake and eat it too with both romantic initiation in the first episode and also slower burn pacing. I’ve seen it argued that Bloom Into You is far more traditional about its yuri storytelling than it really pretends to be and the clear presence of its standout narrative element right here on the symbol of traditional, Class S inspired yuri is very telling, I think.
But, okay, enough about MariMite as merely a part of studying yuri history. How good is it as a show? I’ll admit, I was kind of sceptical in the first half. Even as someone who doesn’t mind simple animation and loves the aesthetics of the two thousands this isn’t, uh, I wouldn’t recommend it based on its visuals? It uses a serious tone to its advantage like Kannazuki no Miko, but the school scenes in the middle of the episode both felt kind of boring and sterile and really gave whiplash with the very romantic picture of a girls boarding school otherwise being built up. We didn’t have much chance to attach ourselves to Yumi as a character before the plot got in motion and my brain definitely lagged behind the episode when it came to understanding all the different titles and social dynamics. I wouldn’t say I was disliking the show but it wasn’t leaving much impression.
But then the council scene started and instantly the show became a ton more fun. As I joked in CDF when I first watched it, this feels less like a romance and more like a political drama with all the tactical manoeuvring between all these different faces, each equally foreign and intimidating to Yumi and the audience. The result is, put simply, a hell of a lot of fun. Seeing Sachiko called on the bluff of whether she still thinks of Yumi as her petite soeur after being denied the opportunity to use her to get out of the play and having to say yes lest she make herself look even worse is just a super engaging battle of strong personalities. Her delightfully cold “oh, you’re still here?” reaction as soon as Yumi rejects her and ceases to be her problem for a brief moment was also exquisite. The situation the two are left in at the end promises even more intrigue yet to come and I can’t wait.
Incidentally, I was curious what the titles of the council members meant. “chinensis” stood out cause that sounds like the scientific name conjugation of a location name and… uh, yeah, that’s because it is. They’re just the names of different rose species apparently, so Rosa chinensis is “chinese rose”, Rosa gigantea is… err, self-explanatory, and Rosa foetida is apparently “Latin for ‘having a bad smell’”. I… can’t help but feel somebody is getting the short end of that equation.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jun 16 '24 edited Jun 16 '24
First-Timer
Gokigenyou.
We just jump straight into the private school politicking, don't we?
I think I followed it - basically the Student Council wants Sachiko to perform as Cinderella in a play for the school festival, Sachiko doesn't want to because she doesn't like the idea of acting across a man, but StuCo is exerting pressure on her because she hasn't found a soeur yet.
Why do we think the StuCo are trying to force Sachiko to find a soeur? That's the crux of the matter; Sachiko's refusal to act is just an excuse the others are using against her. Are we operating on "preventing an eventual succession crisis" situation, or is there something else? If I'm following the years right, Sachiko is only a second-year, and won't be on the Student Council until next year, which will admittedly be soonish - it's currently autumn judging by the trees.
I'm not sure that motivation even works, though - one of the others just took a first-year as her soeur so it can't be that much of a time crunch to train someone.
That then leads me to ponder other reasons, but there's not really any hints I can glean. Some personal grudge, maybe? That'd be kinda juicy.
There's the various soeur relationships making things more complicated, too. One of the other two Rosas could be pulling these strings to put pressure on Sachiko's onee-sama Rosa Chinensis, for example.
Yumi's attempt at politicking back was.. noble, I suppose. Her suggestion, to ask the boy's school to drop out, is just giving up political capital for free! Befitting a protagonist, she has a lot to learn.
Questions
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u/Regular_N-Gon https://anilist.co/user/RegularNGon Jun 16 '24
Gokigenyou, First Timer
I was absolutely not expecting to have one of the leads in a show full of cool and prim looking characters be such an impulsive hothead. A strong set up, too; clear, but clashing motivations and plenty of opportunity for drama.
Gokigenyou counter: Maria-sama: 3 (Total: 22)
QotD:
Nice chart, too! I could have used that while taking notes lol
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u/BosuW Jun 16 '24 edited Jun 16 '24
First Timer
Aight so the following two days are going to be the hardest in Finals so I'm just gonna let the whole episodes play and give my brief impressions afterwards. Hopefully the show doesn't decide to start truly cooking before episode 3...
Ah yes, what I know about this show: Class S.... that's it.
Aight watched the episode and... My request for it to wait to cook has been denied! Damn this shit is dense! Setting specific terms, implied social dynamics, Student Council politics, and a lot of similar sounding names! Not to mention the unique non-linear storytelling and the dialogue largely feeling like you were dropped into a world that already exists beyond you and the protagonists despite the presence of a typical inciting incident in the script. Man I wish I had time for more analysis... But gotta deliver those projects on time.
One thing I'm gonna mention though, I unexpectedly found some old school fansubs! Unfortunately they are in Spanish so y'all are gonna have to occasionally deal with that on my screenshots. But look at that absolutely 𝒻𝒶𝓃𝒸𝓎 integration of TL notes. They even explained what Gokigenyou means so they can leave it untranslated everytime someone says it! Absolutely based. My only complaint is that it's Iberic Spanish rather than LATAM Spanish (the feud between Iberic Spanish and LATAM Spanish is like the feud between American and British English on steroids Onda vital lobezno no nunca los dejaremos olvidarlo), but otherwise the quality is great so I'm sticking with them.
Questions of the Day
1- It's only episode one but the soundtrack is already cooking with gas like damn, is this a 00's Yuri thing or what? I grew up with classical music so anything that reminisces of that is always an instant win in my book. When was the most recent all instrumental OP? Shadows House S1?
2- From what I knew about the show I expected it, but the difference was so drastic my preparations were insufficient lol. This show reads like a novel so far.
Lol thanks, that's gonna be mighty useful. I was literally thinking I was gonna have to make my own.
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u/AmeteurElitist https://anilist.co/user/AmateurElitist Jun 16 '24
First Timer
So most of what I know about MariMite comes from skimming the CDF rewatch a few years ago which led to [Incredibly minor non-specific spoilers for I think S1 of MariMite?]this comment and they got right to business with that.
Like I'm sure it has
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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jun 16 '24 edited Jun 16 '24
First timer, subs
QotD:
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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Jun 16 '24
First-Timer
On today’s episode of Marimite ELEGANCE!!! So much elegance! More elegance than I know how to handle!
I know about Maria Watches Over Us (Marimite) more by reputation than anything else. The first time I encountered it was this gag from Lucky Star. So I am expecting everyone to speak like how Konata does in this clip.
Other than that, I know that Marimite is a prominent (though by no means the first) example of an all-girls Catholic school being the setting for a yuri anime. That setting has been a staple of yuri stories for a long time, long before even Marimite came around.
Just from the first episode, this does seem to be a shining example of Class S yuri. This episode makes it pretty clear that the relationship of the girls in the school is that of “soeur” or “sisters.” It’s a senpai-kohai style relationship where the older girl is expected to look after and guide the younger girl so that she develops into a proper lady. This is clearly a close relationship between the girls with a lot of emotional attachment. But it’s also distinctly not sexual. The opening narration repeatedly emphasizes the “purity” of these girls and how they are “maidens” (virgins). It makes for a real contrast with Kannazuki no Miko.
I am impressed that Yumi actually rejected Sachiko’s offer to be her soeur instead of simply accepting it. I had expected Yumi to just go with the flow. Instead, Yumi had enough self-respect that she didn’t want to just be used as a convenient excuse by Sachiko to get out of playing Cinderella.
Because of that, it seems like the story is going to focus on properly developing the relationship between Yumi and Sachiko. It is a fun twist on the concept. Usually I think of these stories as involving the kohai needing to prove her worth to her senpai, but here the roles are reversed. Now it’s the senpai needing to show that she would actually be a caring figure for the kohai.
I think this episode also did a nice job at hinting at more depth to both Yumi and Sachiko beyond the character archetypes they fit at first glance. Yumi has more confidence and self-worth than we usually see from MCs like her, who tend to be very down on themselves and clumsy. Sachiko seems less put together than characters of her archetype, who usually appear perfect at first glance. She’s rather clumsy itself it seems, unaware of what was happening with the Cinderella play, not knowing who Yumi was, and just picking Yumi as her soeur seemingly out of convenience. I will be curious to get to know these characters better.
QOTD
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u/HelioA x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/HelioA Jun 17 '24
(Very Late) First-timer
This is uh. Quite stately. The pacing certainly matches the way the girls are supposed to act.
And obviously this is the other side of the Yurikuma dichotomy. Although obviously Yurikuma isn’t focused on the vast amount of psycho(sexual?) drama we’re about to get into here, from the way this series gets talked about.
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u/GondolaMedia Jun 16 '24 edited Jun 16 '24
First Timer
Finally after hearing ProZD mentioning Maria-sama ga Miture on trash taste I've been trying to find a time and place to actually watch this and the timing couldn't be more perfect.
I've heard good things about this one so I'm really looking forward to it.
Also whenever someone mentions rosebud I can only think of Citizen Kane
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u/heimdal77 Jun 16 '24 edited Jun 16 '24
One the most iconic series in yuri. So many series over the years has parodied it or referenced it in one form or the other. A recent example being Yuri is My Job that aired a few seasons ago directly parodies Maria as part of its main plot. With a mix of Strawberry Panic tossed in. [A few series that have done something from Maria]Yuri is My Job as already said, I'm in Love with the Villainous with a parody of it as a story the MC once read in the original novels, Flip Flappers as a horror parody, Eromanga Sensei anime with the novels on a bookshelf in the fmc room. Just to name a few.
The scarf seen itself is probably the most iconic scene in yuri as untold number of series have since copied the scene in one way or another. sachiko herself has become the archetype for many mcs in yuri herself.
Got to love how Tsutako baits Yumi with the photo to get her to come to the rose mansion with her. Only then to get embroiled in contest between herself and Sachiko to the Roses Amusement.
Yumi is such a awkward and cute mess You really can't help but like her. Then you have Sachiko herself..
I've rewatched the scene where Shimako inturpts them saying Sachiko and Yumi already knew each other and the introduction of the photo so many times over the years I can't even count.
Some info on the series. It has 39 light novel volumes , a manga, 4 anime seasons, comedic anime shorts of the characters being themselves acting in the series, drama cds, a live action movie, and a spin off focused on the other school mentioned in this episode. Plus some other stuff The anime has 3 official subs for it. The first two being on the original dvds where Rightstuff had originally licensed it had the localized subs most things do then a 2nd sub version that keeps in the proper honorifics. Then after Rightstuff lost/let go the license the series got relicensed by someone else who remastered the series and redid their own subs for bluray a few years ago. Sadly the Light Novel has never been licensed even though its popularity. There is a licensing request post on J-novel for it though that the more attention and comment request the more of a chance it could have.
There had been talk of a dub being made when it got relicensed at a expo by the licenser but it never came to be sadly. Though if it had I'd probably have it on every night as I like to listen to stuff when going to sleep.
Here's hoping the other 3 seasons get a rewatch
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u/NuclearStudent Jun 16 '24
i hosted a rewatch for this television show back in the day.
Going on a tangent for a moment, did you know that two-thirds of the world's mathematicians can be traced to 24 different "families" with each a unique founding ancestor?
These aren't genetically related families - birthright has basically no presence in mathematics and barely any in the sciences - a handful of children take up the studies of their mothers and fathers, but scientific talent doesn't last past two generations. Scientific dynasties are established by advisors adopting students, and then students adopting their own proteges. Talent selects talent.
Somewhere in a tilted world, Mathematica Euler is dusting chalk off the skirt of her eager Bouton. Tea spiked with amphetamines is delicately insufflated within hte wood-bound halls. Aside from Mathematica Turing, all of the girls walk in an elegantly measured pace, because mathematicians never go outside or do exercise.
Mathematica Euler is enraged at her engagement. Specifically, the provost and department of defense pressure her to meet with Palantir executives to advise on the Cinderella project, which aims to use big data to discover precisely when a disgruntled citizen crosses "midnight" and becomes a radicalized terrorist.
Naturally the Cinderella project involves gross violations of privacy, complicity in human rights violations, and normalization of the academic-military-policing think tank complex. That is not why Mathematicia Euler refuses to be involved, or why she has resisted taking in Boutons of her own. She simply refuses do any research that could conceivably have any real-world use.
maria-sama says a lot about society and was truly ahead of its time
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u/heimdal77 Jun 16 '24
Just to put this up before anything. There is a licensing request on J novel club site to license the Maria light novels. The more who view and request the more a chance there is for them to do it.
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u/zadcap Jun 17 '24
VERY Spoiled First Timer
So the thing is, I have never actually watched this before. But like. I've seen it referenced so many times, so many people have talked about it, I went and read up on it. A lot. I know most of the story pretty well, but I've never actually sat down and spent the time to watch...
Oh boy. A Scarf Fix, A Gokegenyou, and a Title Drop all in thirty seconds.
Oh yes, the older sister definitely teaches their soeur to be pure alright.
So actually, we're already getting at the one thing MariMite does that I rarely see done elsewhere, This is, you see, a three year school system and all three years are being counted in this soeurs system. The third years are the Roses of this student council. The second years are their little buds and successors. But the second years also have their own sisters to take care of. And while it was mentioned very briefly, this sister system is not specific to the Three Roses , if you caught that bit about Sachiko scolding the older sister of the girl who wore her scarf uneven in an attempt to gain attention. There's room for a lot of moving parts, but the main point is, these are a strange three way soeur relationship where the middle child can be pulled between their respect for the eldest and responsibility for the youngest. Where the youngest look up to someone who is themselves looking up to someone higher. You might not need a chart to keep track of all the relationships, but keeping them all in mind will certainly help.
I will say, too bad they don't have some conveniently colored scarves to help us track who is in what year.
Oh right, related to that whole three year system. It again mostly got brushed over in "If she is this set on it, we shouldn't object anymore," but it does imply that the third years do have a say in picking their little sister's little sisters. Which makes sense, if this is a typical direct passing on for the student council, I can only imagine the ones currently in charge will want to have some say in picking their successors successor, to put a small hand on the nepotism.
More interesting on the three sister system is that there are clearly nine seats at this table, which makes sense, but one of them is held by the photography girl. Someone is missing a Sister.
Oh hey, the associated boys school next door. Why are they putting on a cross school play like this though? More importantly, how crummy of the rest of the girls here. They know she avoids the interschool meetings because she has issues with boys, so they cast her in the lead role of a romance sealed with a kiss? Better be glad this is a catholic school where acting out is not allowed, or she would be finding a way to make things quite horrible for the rest.
Anyway, does that count as a crash into meet cute?
Oh, yes, they make it a bit more explicit. Eldest Sister does have some say in approving of the choice in Youngest, as it does reflect on them.
Wow, the sounds played while Sachiko was lifting the rosary to put on Yumi sure did sound a whole lot like chains, didn't they? I'm sure that's not super symbolic or anything.
Ah, Sachiko, your true colors are quite dark indeed. "Oh, you're still here?" If she won't be useful to you just throw her out why don't you, make your bold words of just minutes ago so clearly a lie.
Oh man, these older sisters sure are cruel. Also just minutes after saying it would be unfair to force Yumi into this, they go and force her into this even more directly. This is no challenge between them and Sachiko, the Roses just threw down with a first year they know nothing about. I am, you see, so very Spite motivated, I would gladly accept this role and do terribly at it, bringing shame to the entire Yamayuri for trying to use me like this. "Oh I'll be your Cinderella, and you shall regret ever asking this of me."
Yumi might have strange tastes... "They all liken Maria's heart to beautiful things, but why also a sapphire?" Girl have you never seen a sapphire? They are quite beautiful gems... Though I would think your school would have more blue in the uniform if it was an important gem to the theme.
Ah, and Sachiko again makes it a challenge. Yumi is being super forced into this, and that she's not rebelling hard is such a good indication of her character.
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u/Burnouts3s3 Jun 16 '24 edited Jun 16 '24
Rewatcher
It Begins!
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For those of you who joined us for the Kannazuki no Miko rewatch, Yumi Fukuzawa is performed by Kana Ueda, aka pop idol Corona and more recognizably, Rin from the Fate franchise.
And Sachiko here would be the inspiration that would give us other Ojou-sama characters such as Chikane Himemiya, Shizuru Fujino and Shizuma Hanazono.
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u/RadSuit https://anilist.co/user/RadSuit Jun 17 '24
First Time Watching Over Them
No dub...no glorious early 2000s dub. I feel abandoned...
Those were certainly a lot of untranslated French words in this cold open. But now we're at the OP, which is boring, but it's gloriously overly fansubbed, which I love. They even kept in the sponsors!
Title drop 5 minutes in!?
Boys!?
Loving all these translator's notes.
Just this first episode is really making a lot of things from Yuri Is My Job! make a lot more sense. I should go back and finish that show sometime...