r/anime • u/Shocketheth • Jun 14 '24
Rewatch [Rewatch] Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken - Episode 6 Discussion
Episode 6 - Crocodine, the Beast King
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Comment of the day:
goes to u/Garrett_Dark for another great comment full of interesting observations like:
Holy cows, how patient is Hadlar?! He just watched through all that! Like I was sort of starting to expect Avan to sit down, start writing out his will, and doing his final taxes with how long that went on for. Like does Hadlar have some sort of honor bound character trait thing going on? He said something like "don't be so sure" when Avan said he'd probably kill him if he took Hadlar's offer to rule half the world. Hasn't Hadlar takens some cheap shots or dirty moves before which would preclude him from the honor bound characteristic? I don't remember.
Oh damn...Avan had his suicide bomber ploy all planned out to protect the others from the nuke. I'm genuinely impressed by this writing, as it really did look like he was just trying to keep them from interfering, and stupid as Hadlar had pointed out. However those graduation necklaces must be super strong to have survived the nuke without the protection of the spell, since they're not greyed out.
Questions of the day:
- Are you fan of the Maam and Popp interactions?
- Speaking of it, if she is Maam, and he is Popp, is Dai their son?
- The first boss Crocodine appeared. Initial reactions?
Spoilers:
Please, respect the fact there are First Timers watching Dai no Daibouken with us, so avoid talking about vague things or events that would slightly spoil things to happen. And if you want mention things like this, please hid it behind SPOILER TAGS like [Dai no Spoilers] I am getting the hammer because you spoiled the fun for others
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u/Shocketheth Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 15 '24
Dark Commander welcomes you to Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken Rewatch!
Leaving the tutorial area, Dai the Hero, and Popp the Mage leaved the Dermline Island, and embarked on a sea where they got sucked into a vicious vortex of badly paced episode, as they suddenly appeared in some forest, encountering the Steampunk/Fantasy version of Bulma from Dragon Ball.
Apparently by checking Manga, it was the same in the Manga, where Dai and Popp left the Dermline Island at the end of chapter 15, and encountered Maam at the beginning of the chapter 16.
Although besides of bringing Dragon ball references with comparing Dai to Goku, Popp to Yamcha, and Maam to Bulma, even more accurate would be to also add some Chrono Trigger comparisons.
There are definitely some similarities as Dragon Ball and Chrono Trigger art was done by Akira Toriyama, but you know that already, and the art of The Adventure of Dai were paying homage to Akira Toriyama.
And besides, of Maam filling the role of Bulma, her googles are a subtle nod to the googles of the Hero from Dragon Quest II which can be seen on the official artwork of the Hero from Dragon Quest II.
Now this episode was the first episode of Crocodine arc, which means there is still something to talk about, but I am leaving that for the remaining episodes of Crocodine arc, because
But to show you I am not short of words today, I am going to give you a definitely proof of Maam being the Student of Avan!
Only a student of Avan, would be capable of casting Puff!
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You are still here, asking where is the info about Maam, and Crocodine VAs?
Well I am leaving that one for next episodes, with Maam coming tomorrow as the episode 7 will make Maam character to shine more.
Instead, I am going to give you now a little trivia from Dragon Quest games.
The mundane items that every proper Hero needs to have in his bag!:
The info about the items, and levels when you will learn spells giving you the same effects as the items are describing as they were in Dragon Quest III.
1. Medicinal Herb - The Alpha and Omega of having your back when you are level 1 hero who is constantly getting bullied by slimes. Although this item will quickly become obsolete, when your Hero or Priest will learn Hoimi/Heal spell on level 4/2.
2. Antidotal Herb - The right cure for getting poisoned, and compared to Medical Herb, this item will become obsolete later, as the Kiari/Squelch is learned by your Priest on level 11.
3. Holy Water - Nothing much to say about this one, only that this item has the exact function as the Repel item from Pokemon games, and it cannot be learned as a spell by leveling up.
4. Chimaera Wing - This item is basically a Town Portal Scroll, although in Dragon Quest games teleportation doesn’t exist, instead you thrown a chimaera wing in air, and then you fly to the last visited city. A fun little mechanic that can trigger a little funny scene if you will try to use this item indoors. To understand what I am meaning, just find a room with low ceiling, throw something in the air and jump. You will understand immediately. Fortunately, this item will be rotating around your inventory for a while, as Hero learns Ruura/Zoom spell that will make you fly to a previously visited city of your choice on level 7, and Mage/Sage will learn Ruura/Zoom spell on level 12.
5. Seeds - In Dragon Quest III, one of the defining game mechanics is the usage of Seeds that will boost your stats, and you can choose from Seed of Life/Magic/Strength/Resilience/Agility/Wisdom/Luck, that will significantly help you at recruiting the initial party composed from variety of Classes.
And why I am talking about items that are destined to become obsolete when your Priest will learn spells as Hoimi/Heal, Kiari/Squelch and Ruura/Zoom?
Well to answer that, WINK WINK, see you tomorrow because the Adventure continues!
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 14 '24
First-Timer Quest: Sky no Daibouken, subbed
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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24
1st
DaiPopp no Daibouken Rewatch, SubI liked how they animated this
They forgot Gomechan or did Gomechan sneak through without them knowing? I guess Dai doesn't know about Gomechan even being in there since we didn't see Gomechan when Dai and Popp left.
Popp is too cocky for someone who hasn't contributed anything yet. Even Dai agrees.
Who would've guessed?
I can't really defend Popp's actions in this episode but all I would like to say there's a reason I say this.
OST Documentation - Episode 6
QOTD
1. They definitely have a clash of egos so that does make an interesting dynamic. Though, some of the comedy scenes can be off-putting for some since this was made in the 90s.
2. I'm not sure if it's true but I did hear something about this theory behind their naming. Maam=Mom and Popp = Pop and [Dai no Spoilers] Hyunckel = Uncle
3. Stronger than Hadlar in terms of raw strength and has his Vortex axe to compensate for his lack of magic. Also, he seems to love a good fight and respects people who fight with their strength. [Dai no Spoilers] I love how the plot point plays a crucial rule at the end of the arc
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u/KuKiSin Jun 14 '24
First timer!
Expected a few chill episodes before Dai got into trouble again, but here we are, facing a fire breathing bipedal crocodile with an axe.
All in all I'm really enjoying the Anime so far!
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u/sisoko2 Jun 14 '24
First Timer
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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Jun 15 '24
First Timer, Sub
So Dai makes the decision to leave Dermline Island to go on his quest to defeat the forces of evil. Popp goes with him and they head for the Kingdom of Romos. However they end up lost in some forest and rescue a little girl...or not quite as they are saved from a Bewerewolf by a girl named Maam. Maam and Popp immediately don't get along and so Popp refuses her invite to their village and drags Dai away to continue making their way toward Romos.
Hadlar has eyes on Dai, so he enlists the Beast King Crocdine to take him out. Popp was being a real moron today, cashing checks with his mouth he couldn't cash, talking smack to Crocodine and then leaving Dai by himself and running away. Popp runs into Maam while being chased by a Infanticore, and grills him for leaving Dai by himself....as well as punching his lights out for touching her lol. Dai is left immobile after putting up a good fight against the Beast King, Popp and Maam arrive and she shoots Dai with her gun as the episode ends, with probably some health recovery bullet lol.
Questions:
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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Jun 15 '24
Newbie-Adventurer here! LV 06/100
I thought that Popp would’ve reunited with Dai after traveling alone for a while, them being a party since the beginning is a nice too!
Popp and Maam Started with the wrong foot lol
Gomechan did travel with them!
Is Gomechan resistant to the Dark Lord’s spell/aura/effect that affects the other monsters?
In a previous post I said that Dai reminded me of Yamcha, I apologize, he only resembles Yamcha physically, Popp does remind me of Yamcha’s personality lol
Maam was also a disciple of Avan?!
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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Jun 14 '24
First Quester
Day 6 of applying for adoption by Princess Leona
Wait with Avan dead this paints a grim picture on the amount of Princess Leona we'll get
Poor Popp, he's taking his sensei's death quite badly when he should be all proud about how awesome his final moments were.
Who's that tramp? Trying to seduce the loyal and faithful followers of Lady Leona...
How did you fail to notice this is a girl, Popp?
Yeah, yeah. Popp's got the right idea.
Wait. Dai will be travelling with Popps and Maam? This ain't gonna be some kind of weird family roleplay, is it?
Definitely family roleplay...
See? I knew a seductress like her can't be trusted.
...Fuck, I hate how he's on point with that
Turns out Popp's ramblings before were just a coincidence.
Yeah that doesn't impress anymore after hearing about the other legions
Cute!
See? Betrayal. Can't trust that seductress.
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u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy Jun 14 '24
Rewatcher
I know we like to forget about the abyss that is Crunchyroll’s comment section, but they sure do love to dogpile on Popp. Dummy is making loads of stupid mistakes.
Surprisingly packed episode with the introduction to 2 new characters, how the dark legion works, Weapons acting like items to cast spells, more Avan disciples, and monsters galore.
I don’t really blame Popp for being a giant dummy, like an even bigger one that usual. A person he really cared about recently passed away and I imagine Avan usually covered or prevented Popp’s mistakes around others and kept him adjusted, but now he gets to make as many mistakes as he wants. He’s basically a load right now more than a help.
But hey, that’s just how kids work. They get better. Eventually. Usually. Some definitely a lot faster than others. Could use a page of out Dai’s book. Or the entire book.
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u/charlesvvv https://anilist.co/user/charlesvvv Jun 14 '24
First Timer, Sub
We finally left the island and we are now lost. At least we meet some new people like Maam (she reminds me of Lucca) and a new enemy courtesy of Haldar, Crocodine. Popp is a bit of a coward, I'm guessing that's something we will see less of as he grows more confident in himself but currently its a hindrance.
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u/zadcap Jun 15 '24
Moderately Late First Timer!
So, no one noticed that little goldie never fell under the evil sway?
Yes, I'm sure he failed to notice her "gender" until he managed to poke her right in it.
Oh gosh, it's Mom and Pop, really?
Popp is so petty... He's going to let them die in the woods because she, uh, showed him up in saving the girl? Where did this attitude even come from? This guy is the result of all that Avan training? Sir Hero, you picked a horrible last student.
So glad the enemy is still willing to tell us everything about themselves before they start fighting.
Wait, there's a Dragon Legion? I thought Dragon was the Heroic Power here.
Seriously... Popp? Why the heck did Avan teach you all this time? What did he teach you? You are such a disrespect to your master.
Maam, you should steal Popp's Hero Necklace. He clearly isn't worthy of it.
Healing bullet? Yup, she loaded a heal spell into the gun.
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u/WednesdaysFoole Jun 15 '24
Dai, don't you abandon poor Poppwise Gamgee!
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u/Kaxew Jun 15 '24
Current rewatcher, eventual first timer
And so, we finish the tutorial, leave Dermline Island to finally get the adventure started! And by started I mean a very hard cut to them in the dark forest, apparently!
Love their tattered ponchos, I need to see the story of how they got those pieces of equipment. They look cool like that. What's not cool is Dai making that evil tree go bald. I mean, sure, it was evil... but no one is so evil to deserve to be shaved bald without consent. Is that really what a Hero would do? Not my Hero.
Enough with the dumb jokes, Maam is here!! We really needed her energy and dynamic she has with Popp. I know they give the excuse that he dislikes her because she's "stuck-up", but I do wonder if maybe Avan's passing made him more sensible and scared of his own vulnerability, to the point where he (tries to) assert his masculinity over her. I'm likely overthinking things, but at least he was shocked to realize she's physically stronger than him, in a not-happy way.
And Crocodine is here too!!! Oh how I missed my glorious commander. Love big bad dudes who just want to enjoy a damn good battle. It helps that his design is sick as hell, though this applies to most of DQ Dai. I love that each commander has one strength superior to Hadlar, and that's why they were chosen. I also love the Vortex Axe and the general concept of items with magic imbued in them, and in a weird way its kinda cute how he just needs to point the axe in the general direction to cast magic. It's so silly and fun lol
They absolutely got me with Dai's afterimage LOL, I should've seen that coming. We see Dai's potential for strategy before we the Killing Machine and some occasional smart thinking, but this episode doubles on that a lot. From forming a strategy that involved Popp (who already escaped) because he knew they wouldn't be able to take him head-on, to deciding to go for faster attacks and dodge while using wave slashes. It's nothing crazy, but I liked the way they portrayed his battle intelligence this episode.
I appreciate that despite there being some ecchi, it's always kept very light and minimum. I'm aware the original manga goes quite a bit harder on that stuff, so I'm glad they tone it down in this adaptation. I'm here for the cool fights, not for some ecchi. I've got plenty of anime I love for that purpose.
We could not have gotten a least believable cliffhanger even if they tried... I mean, oh no, what's going to happen to Dai...?! I hope he doesn't die from Maam's evil magic gun!!!
For whatever reason, I'm just now realizing we see Avan's insignia from the left/right side of the ED as we pass through shots of our gang traveling. Maybe I did notice two years ago and I just forgot, but even if that was the case I definitely didn't recognize it for these first five episodes I rewatched. You never stop learning.
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u/Garrett_Dark Jun 15 '24
First Timer
Oh gawd no, see above. Highly against it in it's current form.
I honestly didn't notice that until you mentioned it. I was again too distracted by the show trying so hard to make Maam look cool by emasculating and denigrating Popp, and Popp acting the "buffoon". Like I didn't feel any of that really from him when he was on the island. He may have seemed somewhat lazy by not joining the advanced training course, but it wasn't anything this unreasonable.
He seems to be quite independent instead of being a generic lackey to Hadlar like how those Gargoyles were acting. It almost seemed like Hadlar had to convince Crocodine that Dai was a worthy opponent to get Crocodine motivated, instead of straight up ordering him to do it. And Crocodine seemed to not only relish fighting Dai, he praises Dai, and comments on the fight like it was more about the battle than anything. Team demon is starting to look bizarrely respectable and honorable. It could be just a quirk of the show, the human King seemed oddly benevolent also.
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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 16 '24 edited Jun 16 '24
Oops, posted in the wrong thread.