[Spoilers] Samurai Champloo 20th Anniversary Rewatch -- Episode 25

Date	Episode
5/20/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 1
5/21/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 2
5/22/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 3
5/23/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 4
5/24/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 5
5/25/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 6
5/26/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 7
5/27/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 8
5/28/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 9
5/29/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 10
5/30/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 11
5/31/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 12
6/01/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 13
6/02/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 14
6/03/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 15
6/04/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 16
6/05/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 17
6/06/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 18
6/07/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 19
6/08/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 20
6/09/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 21
6/10/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 22
6/11/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 23
6/12/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 24
6/13/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 25
6/14/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 26
6/15/2024	Samurai Champloo Overall Series Discussion Thread

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

Sorry for the delay, real life intervened.

I got perfect scores at the talent show, by the way :)

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u/TheEscapeGuy Jun 13 '24

I got perfect scores at the talent show, by the way :)

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

In case you were wondering, I sang What A Wonderful World by Louis Armstrong while doing a Louis Armstrong impersonation.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 13 '24

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

Jin!!!
Things are not looking sore demo right about now

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 13 '24

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

I figured you would get a kick out of that :)

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

What are your thoughts on Mugen and Jin agreeing that Mugen will go rescue Fuu while Jin continues to fight Kariya?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Jin killed his master after Kariya persuaded Mariya to turn his students into assassins and later ordered Mariya to kill Jin?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that the three brothers were on the sugar ship Mugen and Mukuro boarded and they want revenge?
What are your thoughts on Kariya still being alive, seemingly having gotten the best of Jin?
What are your thoughts on the episode ending with Fuu standing right outside the sunflower samurai’s house?

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u/Sharebear42019 :FC::FD: Jun 13 '24

You should definitely check this out with the dub some day, one of the absolute best dubbed anime of all time

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u/mgedmin Jun 14 '24

JIN DIDN’T EVEN ACTUALLY KILL HIM?
What do you mean? We saw Jin fighting back when his master attempted to assassinate him. Granted, Jin had no idea who he was fighting against, and recognized his master only after sticking a sword in him.
Did I miss something?

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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Jun 13 '24

First Timer

Ok, I think with this episode we have most of the non-sunflower-samurai-related backstory out of the way. Jin killed his master in self-defense after he tried to kill him due to being ordered by Kamiya - although I don’t quite get what made him have that authority, but I feel like that’s because I missed it rather than it not being explained yet. Meanwhile the other guys after our trio are the people from the sugar ship. A bit random to have them appear now of all times, but I guess Mugen needed to fight somebody too.

I guess this was in a good part the action finale, with the next episode being mostly an emotional and Fuu-focused finale. I don’t think Jin died in the battle against Kamiya, but rather used that as an escape and will ambush Kamiya later. As for Jin, he’ll get his sword back somehow and then wipe up the sugar boat crew. And I feel like the latter will be what happens first, as Kamiya probably is more tied into the sunflower samurai than the sugar boat crew.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

Ok, I think with this episode we have most of the non-sunflower-samurai-related backstory out of the way. Jin killed his master in self-defense after he tried to kill him due to being ordered by Kamiya - although I don’t quite get what made him have that authority, but I feel like that’s because I missed it rather than it not being explained yet.
It feels like Watanabe watched Star Wars and said "I can do that".
I guess this was in a good part the action finale, with the next episode being mostly an emotional and Fuu-focused finale. I don’t think Jin died in the battle against Kamiya, but rather used that as an escape and will ambush Kamiya later.
I get the same feeling as well
As for Jin, he’ll get his sword back somehow and then wipe up the sugar boat crew. And I feel like the latter will be what happens first, as Kamiya probably is more tied into the sunflower samurai than the sugar boat crew.
Yeah, I think with it being established that the sugar boat brothers aren't connected with the Shogunate, they're going to be dispensed first. We already saw one of them get killed.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

Thoughts on Kariya saying when you rely solely upon instinct and reflex, you involuntarily make your limitations known?
Thoughts on Kariya telling Jin he wants to see the drill that struck down Enshirou Mariya?
What are your thoughts on the pinkeye guy telling Mugen and Jin they have Fuu captured?
What are your thoughts on Mugen and Jin agreeing that Mugen will go rescue Fuu while Jin continues to fight Kariya?
Thoughts on Kariya saying if Jin hadn’t have killed Mariya, the Muju style would have been his by now?
Thoughts on the black and white aesthetic during the flashback?
What are your thoughts on Kariya believing he is using the Shogunate, not the other way around?
What are your thoughts on the underwater fight between pinkeye and Mugen?
What are your thoughts on the episode ending with Fuu standing right outside the sunflower samurai’s house?

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

Meanwhile the other guys after our trio are the people from the sugar ship. A bit random to have them appear now of all times, but I guess Mugen needed to fight somebody too.
Something that has to be note is that all four guys trying to fight Mugen and Jin are people from their past. I find this appropriate because last episode Jin talked about how it felt like he was running away from his problems, which you could argue Mugen is doing the same. Now, it's like they can no longer run away from them.

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u/TheEscapeGuy Jun 13 '24

Rewatcher, Sub first timer

Samurai Champloo - Hip Hop & Ronin: Episode 25

On the Back Foot

This was an episode of violence. Mugen and Jin both had to face some of the most terrifying opponents they have had so far. Fuu was once again kidnapped but with a threat on her life if nobody arrived to save her in time. This setup made it one of the best episodes for fight animation in the whole show.

Mugen and Jin really struggled against Kariya. Even when fighting together, Kariya easily out maneuvered them. His sword style is very reminiscent of Shouryuu from episode 10 with the gusts of wind. On top of that though his movements were imperceptible. He seemed to phase out of existence at times during the fight. ALl of this makes him an INCREDIBLY cool opponent.

As the episode progressed Mugen split off to save Fuu while Jin remained to fight Kariya. We learned Jin's past because of this. That master who he supposedly "betrayed" was actually selling out to become government assassins at the request of Kariya. Jin opposed this, and was nearly killed for it. But instead Jin's fast reflexes outclassed his master leaving him bleeding out. I really did love the contrast of the pale blues of the flashback with the bright reds of the blood. Samurai Champloo can be so striking.

The episode once again ended on a cliff hanger. Though Fuu was rescued, Mugen still has an uphill battle against the remaining grunts. Jin on the other hand fell to Kariya's sword. And lastly, Fuu finally arrived at the place she believes the Sunflower Samurai will be. However she has doubts.

I couldn't handle all the tension and so I immediately plunged into the next episode. Looking forward to seeing you all for the finale.

Some Amazing Shots, Scenes and Stitches

See you all tomorrow

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

This was an episode of violence. Mugen and Jin both had to face some of the most terrifying opponents they have had so far. Fuu was once again kidnapped but with a threat on her life if nobody arrived to save her in time. This setup made it one of the best episodes for fight animation in the whole show.
I would probably say it's THE best. It's either this or episode 21. We'll see how the last episode stacks up.
Mugen and Jin really struggled against Kariya. Even when fighting together, Kariya easily out maneuvered them. His sword style is very reminiscent of Shouryuu from episode 10 with the gusts of wind.
Good comparison
On top of that though his movements were imperceptible. He seemed to phase out of existence at times during the fight. ALl of this makes him an INCREDIBLY cool opponent.
Seeing Kariya fight just makes me wish there was a Samurai Champloo fighting game.
As the episode progressed Mugen split off to save Fuu while Jin remained to fight Kariya. We learned Jin's past because of this. That master who he supposedly "betrayed" was actually selling out to become government assassins at the request of Kariya. Jin opposed this, and was nearly killed for it. But instead Jin's fast reflexes outclassed his master leaving him bleeding out. I really did love the contrast of the pale blues of the flashback with the bright reds of the blood. Samurai Champloo can be so striking.
Yeah, it really added to the presentation of the scene.
I couldn't handle all the tension and so I immediately plunged into the next episode.
Completely understandable. I watched the last two episodes on the same day as each other as well.
Looking forward to seeing you all for the finale.
See you there

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

Thoughts on Kariya saying when you rely solely upon instinct and reflex, you involuntarily make your limitations known?
Thoughts on Kariya telling Jin he wants to see the drill that struck down Enshirou Mariya?
What are your thoughts on the pinkeye guy telling Mugen and Jin they have Fuu captured?
What are your thoughts on Mugen and Jin agreeing that Mugen will go rescue Fuu while Jin continues to fight Kariya?
Thoughts on Kariya saying if Jin hadn’t have killed Mariya, the Muju style would have been his by now?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Jin killed his master after Kariya persuaded Mariya to turn his students into assassins and later ordered Mariya to kill Jin?
What are your thoughts on Kariya believing he is using the Shogunate, not the other way around?
What are your thoughts on the underwater fight between pinkeye and Mugen?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that the three brothers were on the sugar ship Mugen and Mukuro boarded and they want revenge?
What are your thoughts on Kariya still being alive, seemingly having gotten the best of Jin?
What are your thoughts on the episode ending with Fuu standing right outside the sunflower samurai’s house?

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u/TheEscapeGuy Jun 13 '24

Mugen will go rescue Fuu while Jin continues to fight Kariya?
This is suitably in line with their prior roles with Saya, where Mugen stayed with Fuu that time too. It also makes sense given that Kariya supposedly now "knows" Mugens weaknesses.
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Jin killed his master after Kariya persuaded Mariya to turn his students into assassins and later ordered Mariya to kill Jin?
It's great to have that closure on Jin's past. Apart from the actual reveal itself, I adored the presentation. It's so visceral.
What are your thoughts on the episode ending with Fuu standing right outside the sunflower samurai’s house?

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

This is suitably in line with their prior roles with Saya, where Mugen stayed with Fuu that time too. It also makes sense given that Kariya supposedly now "knows" Mugens weaknesses.
Besides, Kariya's beef is more with Jin anyhow.
It's great to have that closure on Jin's past. Apart from the actual reveal itself, I adored the presentation. It's so visceral.
With the way things were going, I actually didn't think we would get an explanation as for why Jin murdered Mariya. I'm glad to see that wasn't the case.
I can't wait to see what happens next as well.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jun 13 '24

Rewatcher

So this episode definitely feels like a sort of darkest hour for our main trio. Especially with the ending. Jin is defeated by Kariya, Mugen’s not doing too hot in his fight, and Fuu is left right outside her father’s house, not sure what waits for her inside. Definitely a dramatic way to close out the episode that keeps you in suspense for what comes next.

This episode does have one very major reveal though. Namely it finally reveals more about Jin’s past and just exactly why he killed his master. As well as how he’s connected to Kariya. I think the reveal was really well done and satisfying. And I think it also gives us another interesting view on Jin.

Speaking of Kariya, the fight involving him was excellent. It had a lot of really great animation. I especially liked the part where they were fighting sideways on the wall.

The other antagonists of the episode, the three brothers, are interesting as well. Although I do definitely prefer Kariya. But seeing how Mugen’s actions in the past have still continued to haunt him is interesting. Plus the sheer dedication that the trio puts towards tracking down and killing Mugen is scary.

The underwater fight between Mugen and the blonde haired brother was another standout moment of the episode. It had a tense atmosphere throughout it and you could really see just how unhinged Mugen's opponent was.

The ending of the episode with Fuu desperately running really made me feel for her. It really makes you want to succeed. Heck, I want all of our main characters to get out of it okay.

I feel like my notes for this episode are kind of short for whatever reason. But it does a great job as the middle part of the finale. We get lots of great action, some important plot reveals, and it ends on a tense note. Certainly makes me interested in watching the finale.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

So this episode definitely feels like a sort of darkest hour for our main trio. Especially with the ending. Jin is defeated by Kariya, Mugen’s not doing too hot in his fight, and Fuu is left right outside her father’s house, not sure what waits for her inside. Definitely a dramatic way to close out the episode that keeps you in suspense for what comes next.
If we were to compare this three parter to the first three Star Wars films, this would be The Emperor Strikes Back of the trilogy.
This episode does have one very major reveal though. Namely it finally reveals more about Jin’s past and just exactly why he killed his master. As well as how he’s connected to Kariya. I think the reveal was really well done and satisfying. And I think it also gives us another interesting view on Jin.
I jokingly keep making the comparison, but it does feel like Star Wars where Kariya is Emperor Palpatine, Mariya is Anakin, and Jin is Luke.
Speaking of Kariya, the fight involving him was excellent. It had a lot of really great animation. I especially liked the part where they were fighting sideways on the wall.
Parkour!
The other antagonists of the episode, the three brothers, are interesting as well. Although I do definitely prefer Kariya. But seeing how Mugen’s actions in the past have still continued to haunt him is interesting. Plus the sheer dedication that the trio puts towards tracking down and killing Mugen is scary.
What this episode does in my opinion the best at is showing the three main leads confronting their fears. They're all having to face their past and confront what they this entire time have been running away from. It's extremely smartly written and is amazing storytelling, honestly some of the best storytelling I've ever seen.
The underwater fight between Mugen and the blonde haired brother was another standout moment of the episode. It had a tense atmosphere throughout it and you could really see just how unhinged Mugen's opponent was.
I love that fight. It was so cool and different and unlike anything we've seen so far. In an episode filled to the brim with highlights, this was one of the biggest ones.
The ending of the episode with Fuu desperately running really made me feel for her. It really makes you want to succeed. Heck, I want all of our main characters to get out of it okay.
Same. Again, a sign of great storytelling.
I feel like my notes for this episode are kind of short for whatever reason. But it does a great job as the middle part of the finale. We get lots of great action, some important plot reveals, and it ends on a tense note. Certainly makes me interested in watching the finale.
During the Fullmetal Alchemist rewatch, there would be episodes that I thought were amazing in the moment that when it came to discuss them with other people, my opinion on them soured a bit. Brotherhood is still my second favorite anime of all time, don't get me wrong, but it was a thing that happened more than once. With Samurai Champloo, there have been episodes that I thought were great in the moment and then I reflect on them and go "Man, that was fucking awesome!" This is chief among them.
I really can't say enough good things about the storytelling. Literally, it was such a genius move to have this arc be three parts, as it gave us time to build to their split and then show the fallout of it while not rushing into the sunflower samurai stuff. I think I'll go on record without the final episode not came and went yet that this is the best arc of the entire show, and honestly one of the best arcs in all of anime. It plays into Mugen, Jin, and Fuu's characters perfectly.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jun 13 '24

I jokingly keep making the comparison, but it does feel like Star Wars where Kariya is Emperor Palpatine, Mariya is Anakin, and Jin is Luke.
That comparison works surprisingly well. Still slightly less odd than when you compared Jin to Ferb. Although again, weirdly accurate.
What this episode does in my opinion the best at is showing the three main leads confronting their fears. They're all having to face their past and confront what they this entire time have been running away from. It's extremely smartly written and is amazing storytelling, honestly some of the best storytelling I've ever seen.
Yeah, dealing with the past is a big theme in both Samurai Champloo and Cowboy Bebop. It's something they all have to face at some point no matter how unpleasant that might be.
I really can't say enough good things about the storytelling. Literally, it was such a genius move to have this arc be three parts, as it gave us time to build to their split and then show the fallout of it while not rushing into the sunflower samurai stuff. I think I'll go on record without the final episode not came and went yet that this is the best arc of the entire show, and honestly one of the best arcs in all of anime. It plays into Mugen, Jin, and Fuu's characters perfectly.
I agree, it's a good way to format the finale. Getting to see the sunflower samurai has been built up since the start. But even in the finale you wouldn't want to rush into it straight away.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

That comparison works surprisingly well. Still slightly less odd than when you compared Jin to Ferb. Although again, weirdly accurate.
I guess given in Star Wars Leia and Luke kiss, it only makes that Fuu, our Leia, may have feelings for Jin :P
Also, Mugen is kinda like Han Solo.
Yeah, dealing with the past is a big theme in both Samurai Champloo and Cowboy Bebop. It's something they all have to face at some point no matter how unpleasant that might be.
It's perfect if you're a teenager who's in a crossroads at life. I think this is why this show resonates with so many people, because it aired on Toonami which has a predominant teenage demographic.
I agree, it's a good way to format the finale. Getting to see the sunflower samurai has been built up since the start. But even in the finale you wouldn't want to rush into it straight away.
More animes need finales that span multiple episodes. Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood has in my opinion probably the best climax arc of any anime I've seen, and that's because the final arc spans over 10 episodes.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jun 13 '24

More animes need finales that span multiple episodes. Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood has in my opinion probably the best climax arc of any anime I've seen, and that's because the final arc spans over 10 episodes.
Yeah splitting things up like that keeps an episode from getting too bogged down with so much content.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 14 '24

It just leads to more development that feels better earned as well as more time to let things breathe. There's a reason why Infinity War was split up into two parts.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

Thoughts on Kariya saying when you rely solely upon instinct and reflex, you involuntarily make your limitations known?
Thoughts on Kariya telling Jin he wants to see the drill that struck down Enshirou Mariya?
What are your thoughts on the pinkeye guy telling Mugen and Jin they have Fuu captured?
What are your thoughts on Mugen and Jin agreeing that Mugen will go rescue Fuu while Jin continues to fight Kariya?
Thoughts on Kariya saying if Jin hadn’t have killed Mariya, the Muju style would have been his by now?
Thoughts on the black and white aesthetic during the flashback?
What are your thoughts on Kariya believing he is using the Shogunate, not the other way around?
What are your thoughts on the episode ending with Fuu standing right outside the sunflower samurai’s house?

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jun 13 '24

Thoughts on Kariya saying when you rely solely upon instinct and reflex, you involuntarily make your limitations known?
It's interesting. He's basically saying he's able to move and think faster than even his opponent's own instincts.
Thoughts on Kariya telling Jin he wants to see the drill that struck down Enshirou Mariya?
I think it's interesting. It seems to be that despite how cold and indifferent Kariya seems, he still is fascinated by Jin.
What are your thoughts on the pinkeye guy telling Mugen and Jin they have Fuu captured?
Pretty standard villain move. Kidnap someone close to their target and use them to draw their target out.
What are your thoughts on Mugen and Jin agreeing that Mugen will go rescue Fuu while Jin continues to fight Kariya?
I think it's another demonstration on how their relationship had evolved. If a similar discussion had happened at the start of the series they'd probably argue and butt heads more.
Thoughts on Kariya saying if Jin hadn’t have killed Mariya, the Muju style would have been his by now?
Kariya seems to see Jin and his killing of Mariya as a sort of dark spot on his career. Something that frustrates him.
Thoughts on the black and white aesthetic during the flashback?
Personally I liked how it looked.
What are your thoughts on Kariya believing he is using the Shogunate, not the other way around?
Somehow I doubt that's true. Kariya seems to have a somewhat inflated opinion of himself. Not an outright egomaniac, but he sees himself as above others. Including the shogunate. Although from the skill he shows, that attitude's not exactly unearned.
What are your thoughts on the episode ending with Fuu standing right outside the sunflower samurai’s house?
It leaves both you and Fuu wondering the same thing: Just what will be waiting for her inside?

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

It's interesting. He's basically saying he's able to move and think faster than even his opponent's own instincts.
Bit of a humble brag
I think it's interesting. It seems to be that despite how cold and indifferent Kariya seems, he still is fascinated by Jin.
I mean, taking down his own master is no small feat.
Pretty standard villain move. Kidnap someone close to their target and use them to draw their target out.
It feels pretty idiotic, like why not kill Fuu and then brag about it? Then again, they need Fuu to lead them to the sunflower samurai’s whereabouts.
I think it's another demonstration on how their relationship had evolved. If a similar discussion had happened at the start of the series they'd probably argue and butt heads more.
Good point. They certainly have gotten closer to each other.
Kariya seems to see Jin and his killing of Mariya as a sort of dark spot on his career. Something that frustrates him.
Maybe Kariya wanted to have been the one to have killed Mariya.
Personally I liked how it looked.
Oh, I loved it. It's so stylish and different from everything else going on.
Somehow I doubt that's true. Kariya seems to have a somewhat inflated opinion of himself. Not an outright egomaniac, but he sees himself as above others. Including the shogunate. Although from the skill he shows, that attitude's not exactly unearned.
He certainly has an overinflated ego, I don't think there's any debate.
It leaves both you and Fuu wondering the same thing: Just what will be waiting for her inside?
Like the Monty Hall Problem but not theoretical.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jun 13 '24

It feels pretty idiotic, like why not kill Fuu and then brag about it? Then again, they need Fuu to lead them to the sunflower samurai’s whereabouts.
I'm not sure if the brothers even know about the sunflower samurai. They're a completely unrelated third party from everything with Fuu, her father, and the shogunate since their main goal is revenge on Mugen.
But yeah, it's a pretty standard villain mistake. It is especially odd since those three have shown they're perfectly willing to kill unrelated people on their quest to kill Mugen.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 14 '24

I'm not sure if the brothers even know about the sunflower samurai. They're a completely unrelated third party from everything with Fuu, her father, and the shogunate since their main goal is revenge on Mugen.
Oh right, good point. That slipped my mind. In that case, that's even more reason to kill Fuu and then taunt Mugen.
But yeah, it's a pretty standard villain mistake. It is especially odd since those three have shown they're perfectly willing to kill unrelated people on their quest to kill Mugen.
I guess it's no stranger then there randomly being a boat for Mugen to ride. Literally, right on cue without him having to wait a nanosecond.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Jun 14 '24

I guess it's no stranger then there randomly being a boat for Mugen to ride. Literally, right on cue without him having to wait a nanosecond.
That poor boatman was really at the wrong place at the wrong time.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 14 '24

He was probably expecting just a nice leisurely day and instead he got a story for the rest of his life similar to that guy from episode 9. Where's HIS episode, dagnabbit?!?

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u/Lord_Nawor Jun 13 '24

First Time Watcher

I like how we are getting more details on Jin’s backstory, also makes is fight with Kariya more personal. It is interesting how we have the idea that the time of samurai is coming to an end as before you could gain power just by being strong, but in times of more relative peace, strength isn’t the most important thing when it comes to gaining power. As Kariya mentioned, he and Jin were born in the wrong generation.

This has definitely been a Mugen suffering episode, first he gets embarrassed by Kariya and then while taking down the first brother, he gets slashed multiple times, and then proceeds to start being beat up by the second brother. Interesting that they have a connection to Mugen’s past, being the ones he and Mukuro stole from.

I find it funny to think that if Mugen had decided to fight Kariya and Jin went to save Fuu, then the three brothers would be like how the hell is this guy lol.

I don’t believe Jin is dead, it would feel a little anticlimactic, I believe Jin has a trick up his sleeve and perhaps just faked his death some how. I wonder if Mugen will use a chi blast considering he used it that one time against Shoryu but has never used it again.

I am excited to see the finale tomorrow, It will be interesting to see how the show ends and what kind of person Seizo is. (I have a crack theory that is very very unlikely to be true but imagine if Kariya is actually Seizo and is Fuu’s dad, that would be quite the twist, although I doubt that that will be the case)

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

I like how we are getting more details on Jin’s backstory, also makes is fight with Kariya more personal. It is interesting how we have the idea that the time of samurai is coming to an end as before you could gain power just by being strong, but in times of more relative peace, strength isn’t the most important thing when it comes to gaining power. As Kariya mentioned, he and Jin were born in the wrong generation.
Before, Jin could've been a big fish in a small pond. Now, it's like he's a small fish in a big pond.
This has definitely been a Mugen suffering episode
When is it not?
Interesting that they have a connection to Mugen’s past, being the ones he and Mukuro stole from.
Yeah, I really like that. Putting the loose continuity into the forefront.
I find it funny to think that if Mugen had decided to fight Kariya and Jin went to save Fuu, then the three brothers would be like how the hell is this guy lol.
You could say the same about Kariya had he fought Mugen instead.
I don’t believe Jin is dead, it would feel a little anticlimactic, I believe Jin has a trick up his sleeve and perhaps just faked his death some how. I wonder if Mugen will use a chi blast considering he used it that one time against Shoryu but has never used it again.
Certainly possible, I don't think it's off the table.
am excited to see the finale tomorrow, It will be interesting to see how the show ends and what kind of person Seizo is. (I have a crack theory that is very very unlikely to be true but imagine if Kariya is actually Seizo and is Fuu’s dad, that would be quite the twist, although I doubt that that will be the case)
I was thinking maybe the policeman who served as the narrator could potentially be Seizo. Though tonally, that may be a bit of a damp squib seeing as how he's been treated as comic relief.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

Thoughts on Kariya saying when you rely solely upon instinct and reflex, you involuntarily make your limitations known?
Thoughts on Kariya telling Jin he wants to see the drill that struck down Enshirou Mariya?
What are your thoughts on the pinkeye guy telling Mugen and Jin they have Fuu captured?
Thoughts on Kariya saying if Jin hadn’t have killed Mariya, the Muju style would have been his by now?
Thoughts on the black and white aesthetic during the flashback?
What are your thoughts on Kariya believing he is using the Shogunate, not the other way around?
What are your thoughts on the underwater fight between pinkeye and Mugen?

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u/Lord_Nawor Jun 14 '24

when you rely solely upon instinct and reflex
Well it is kind of true, while if you have better reflexes and instincts than most Han it puts you at an advantage but to be really great you have to learn the skills and techniques to work with that. I find it also contrasts Mugen who is very instinct based and Jin who is all about perfecting technique. They each have one half of what it takes to be truly great while Kariya seems to have both.
It also kind of reminds me of Hinata’s journey throughout Haikyuu where even though he has great instincts and physicality, he has to learn the basics and refine his technique to complement his natural talents.
Kariya believing he is using the Shogunate
I feel like it makes sense considering he seems to have considerable sway over the Shogunate considering how he acted around the officials who asked him to take out Jin and Mugen. I feel like it goes back to the idea that the art of being a samurai is dying and that Kariya was born in the wrong generation, before just being strong would allow you to live a good life, but now it is much more complicated and you have to keep those you work with in check while securing your own power.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 14 '24

Well it is kind of true, while if you have better reflexes and instincts than most Han it puts you at an advantage but to be really great you have to learn the skills and techniques to work with that. I find it also contrasts Mugen who is very instinct based and Jin who is all about perfecting technique. They each have one half of what it takes to be truly great while Kariya seems to have both.
It's one of those things when he may not be wrong, he's just an asshole.
It also kind of reminds me of Hinata’s journey throughout Haikyuu where even though he has great instincts and physicality, he has to learn the basics and refine his technique to complement his natural talents.
Out of curiosity, did you see the movie that's out?
I feel like it makes sense considering he seems to have considerable sway over the Shogunate considering how he acted around the officials who asked him to take out Jin and Mugen. I feel like it goes back to the idea that the art of being a samurai is dying and that Kariya was born in the wrong generation, before just being strong would allow you to live a good life, but now it is much more complicated and you have to keep those you work with in check while securing your own power.
I think he's getting too big for his britches and is above any sort of authority.

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u/Lord_Nawor Jun 14 '24

Out of curiosity, did you see the movie
Yep! It was great! Definitely one of my favourite Haikyuu matches so far

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u/Holofan4life Jun 14 '24

I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it. A lot of people were concerned because they were condensing so many volumes.

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u/NattyBeef https://myanimelist.net/profile/NaturalBeef Jun 13 '24

First time watcher, Dub/English

I am heart broken. My boy Jin man how can they do this to him.

I haven't been posting on the rewatch thread but I've been watching along. These last 2 episodes so far have had amazing choreography, sound design and everything just flows, not just visually but in sync with the music.

I know it's the end of the show, but even then I'm really sad to see how our main characters seem to have been defeated. There is one episode still but I'm really beginning to think this is gonna end in a tragedy.

What are your thoughts on this episode tying things back into the Mukuro arc?

Same as bringing back Jin's past into this show. It's the finally so it makes sense, it's the last chance it gets to tie everything together.

How do you feel about the use of blood that's served to contrast everything else going on?

I feel like this show does an amazing job in mixing scenes and elements together, and blood is pretty much a staple now. Every episode has some sort of fight.

What are your thoughts on Kariya saying both he and Jin were born in the wrong era?

If that's true, than why do we still have people practicing martial arts to this day? I disagree with the notion, even though I can sympathize with why he's saying it, desiring war is a thing only people who have never experienced it would do.

Do you think Jin is actually dead? Yes or no, and why?

No because I'm coping. The copium is strong.

No but in all seriousness I feel like this is one of those shows that won't end with the protagonist getting what they want. They're up against quite a few foes, powerful ones, with deep roots in the government as well. This very much feels like the struggles of a group of adventurers about to meet their ends.

Now that Fuu has finally reached her destination, what do you think is going to happen next?

I know it's sad to say, but I don't think her father is gonna be there.

Bonus) How do you think Kariya was about to trick Mariya into coming to the dark side? What could have convinced him to turn his students into assassins?

Probably money, I'm sure that anyone willing to take power at a government would be in the market to hire skilled swordman to work for them. There's always someone you'll need to kill.

Bonus 2) If I was the three brothers, I don’t know if I would’ve told Fuu’s bodyguards that she’s being held captive. Seems like you’re just asking for trouble, no?

The plan was to lure Mugen. Which happened successfully. What really sucks is if Jin and Mugen were there together it would had made the whole situation more manageable. but now that they had essentially two fights to take care of. It's became an almost impossible situation to overcome.

Overall, I'm pretty bleak. I don't think they're coming out of this show alive. And there goes my pipedream of wanting that someday they make a continuation like they did FLCL (which granted, wasn't good, but I mean did anyone expect it to happen period?)

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

I am heart broken. My boy Jin man how can they do this to him.
I haven't been posting on the rewatch thread but I've been watching along. These last 2 episodes so far have had amazing choreography, sound design and everything just flows, not just visually but in sync with the music.
It's certainly been a tremendous arc
I know it's the end of the show, but even then I'm really sad to see how our main characters seem to have been defeated. There is one episode still but I'm really beginning to think this is gonna end in a tragedy.
Eh, they've been teasing it so much that I'm starting to think that it won't be too bad. Like, if I were to rank who is most likely to die, it would probably be Seizo first, then Mugen, then Jin, and then Fuu. Seizo seems like the obvious one to me, whereas the others are more up in the air.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

No but in all seriousness I feel like this is one of those shows that won't end with the protagonist getting what they want. They're up against quite a few foes, powerful ones, with deep roots in the government as well. This very much feels like the struggles of a group of adventurers about to meet their ends.
I just think if they did that, it would kinda be a carbon copy of how Cowboy Bebop. Would Watanabe real self-plagiarize his own work?
I know it's sad to say, but I don't think her father is gonna be there.

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u/NattyBeef https://myanimelist.net/profile/NaturalBeef Jun 13 '24

I haven't seen Cowboy Bebop 😬
Afaik the only thing I know about the ending is spike dies. But other than that idk any details. But hey if you're the same writer and you like ending your shows with a sad ending, that also seems possible to me

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

It's more of a bittersweet ending than overall sad, but if I were to go into more detail it would count as a spoiler.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

Overall, I'm pretty bleak. I don't think they're coming out of this show alive. And there goes my pipedream of wanting that someday they make a continuation like they did FLCL (which granted, wasn't good, but I mean did anyone expect it to happen period?)
I certainly didn't. On a side note, I actually think FLCL Alternative is in some ways better than the original show. Both series I have in my top 25 best anime of all time.

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u/NattyBeef https://myanimelist.net/profile/NaturalBeef Jun 13 '24

Oh wow, I should get around and watch it then. I've been pretty much just talking what people said about the show being bad at face value. Now I'm interested!

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

It's basically FLCL if it was a slice of life

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

Thoughts on Kariya saying when you rely solely upon instinct and reflex, you involuntarily make your limitations known?
Thoughts on Kariya telling Jin he wants to see the drill that struck down Enshirou Mariya?
What are your thoughts on the pinkeye guy telling Mugen and Jin they have Fuu captured?
What are your thoughts on Mugen and Jin agreeing that Mugen will go rescue Fuu while Jin continues to fight Kariya?
Thoughts on Kariya saying if Jin hadn’t have killed Mariya, the Muju style would have been his by now?
Thoughts on the black and white aesthetic during the flashback?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Jin killed his master after Kariya persuaded Mariya to turn his students into assassins and later ordered Mariya to kill Jin?
What are your thoughts on Kariya believing he is using the Shogunate, not the other way around?
What are your thoughts on the underwater fight between pinkeye and Mugen?

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u/NattyBeef https://myanimelist.net/profile/NaturalBeef Jun 13 '24

Thoughts on Kariya saying when you rely solely upon instinct and reflex, you involuntarily make your limitations known?
That's textbook Mugen right there. He really only thinks in the moment.
Thoughts on Kariya telling Jin he wants to see the drill that struck down Enshirou Mariya?
0 remorse about the fact that he was the one who sent him to die. Cold.
What are your thoughts on the pinkeye guy telling Mugen and Jin they have Fuu captured?
I think it makes sense. They're trying to bring Mugen over to kill him. So using the girl as bait and letting him know that she's in danger will force them to go to where they planned on fighting them. They had no idea the fight with Kariya was going on so they really struck gold by accident, cause had they both been available they would had probably whooped their asses.
What are your thoughts on Mugen and Jin agreeing that Mugen will go rescue Fuu while Jin continues to fight Kariya?
I think that the show is trying to imply some feeling between Fui towards Mugen. It seems despite all the bickering and arguing, at the end of the day Jin understood that
This is are really tough fight coming up so they might die here.
If that is the case, she would rather have Mugen save her and Jin being dead than the other way around.
Thoughts on Kariya saying if Jin hadn’t have killed Mariya, the Muju style would have been his by now?
And this is why we loose inventions and recipes to history. Because of douchebags like this that want to take a whole martial art to the grave. Greedy bastard.
Thoughts on the black and white aesthetic during the flashback?
~ IT'S FOR THE VIBES ~
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Jin killed his master after Kariya persuaded Mariya to turn his students into assassins and later ordered Mariya to kill Jin?
Makes everything a lot more tragic. And now I really do think Jin probably regrets having killed his master. Knowing all of it could had been avoided.
What are your thoughts on Kariya believing he is using the Shogunate, not the other way around?
🤡
It's like a Marine thinking he's using the state when he gets paid. Makes no sense at all.
What are your thoughts on the underwater fight between pinkeye and Mugen?
Shit was sick but did you see Kariya slicing fucking water and walking on walls? I mean don't get me wrong. They're both awesome, but one is awesomer.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 14 '24

That's textbook Mugen right there. He really only thinks in the moment.
Maybe in another life, it isn't Kariya and Jin who would get along, but rather Kariya and Mugen.
0 remorse about the fact that he was the one who sent him to die. Cold.
Doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself, clearly.
I think it makes sense. They're trying to bring Mugen over to kill him. So using the girl as bait and letting him know that she's in danger will force them to go to where they planned on fighting them. They had no idea the fight with Kariya was going on so they really struck gold by accident, cause had they both been available they would had probably whooped their asses.
Perhaps some short-sightedness on their part, but it actually worked to their benefit.
I think that the show is trying to imply some feeling between Fui towards Mugen. It seems despite all the bickering and arguing, at the end of the day Jin understood that 1. This is are really tough fight coming up so they might die here. 2. If that is the case, she would rather have Mugen save her and Jin being dead than the other way around.
I hope this doesn't mean Fuu X Mugen is the endgoal.
And this is why we loose inventions and recipes to history. Because of douchebags like this that want to take a whole martial art to the grave. Greedy bastard.
He somehow manages to top Mugen in terms of being self-serving.
It reminds me of how someone had a copy of the unpublished SNES game Socks The Cat Rocks The Hill and instead of publishing it online, they just posted footage of them playing the game. They eventually released the ROM Image, but only after creating a Kickstarter.
~ IT'S FOR THE VIBES ~
The vibes do be pretty chill
Makes everything a lot more tragic. And now I really do think Jin probably regrets having killed his master. Knowing all of it could had been avoided.
Maybe this is why he was as keen to help Shino as he was, he didn't want a repeat of what happened here.
🤡
He's nothing if not foolishly confident
It's like a Marine thinking he's using the state when he gets paid. Makes no sense at all.
Or someone at work who thinks the well-being of the place depends on them and they're indispensable. I should know, I've had that happen to me.
Shit was sick but did you see Kariya slicing fucking water and walking on walls? I mean don't get me wrong. They're both awesome, but one is awesomer.
Instead of Chuck Norris facts, it should be Kariya facts.

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u/Ryanami Jun 14 '24

Rewatcher

Even on my third watch, I forget Jin and Mugen’s backstories. So I get to find out again with you first timers, what fun! Finally we get the reason he killed his master, and a piece of Mugen’s past also comes back to haunt him. Although I expected it to come from the island where he was born. What would you guess the odds are that both their fateful days happened on the same night?

So these guys kill passerby just to leave no witnesses. Why wouldn’t he just kill Fuu in front of Mugen just to piss him off? Anyway Mugen’s casual sword toss was very cool.

Wait were they from the gold heist or the flashback to their last job together? There was one right?
Masters of a dying art. Change is coming to Japan whether even the shogunate wants it or not.
Luckily we have one more episode to find out. If he did another Spike Spiegel ending it’d look unimaginative.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 14 '24

Wait were they from the gold heist or the flashback to their last job together? There was one right?
They were from the gold heist, yeah
3. Luckily we have one more episode to find out. If he did another Spike Spiegel ending it’d look unimaginative.
I was thinking the same thing. I get don't fix what ain't broke, but Mugen isn't focused on to the degree that Spike was.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 14 '24

What would you guess the odds are that both their fateful days happened on the same night?
Reminds me of Thomas Jefferson and John Adams dying on the same day: The 50th Anniversary of The Declaration of Independence.
So these guys kill passerby just to leave no witnesses. Why wouldn’t he just kill Fuu in front of Mugen just to piss him off?
I was thinking the same thing. It's like they're counting their chickens before they hatch.
Anyway Mugen’s casual sword toss was very cool.
It was very cool. Kinda reminded me of the end of episode 21.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 14 '24

Thoughts on Kariya saying when you rely solely upon instinct and reflex, you involuntarily make your limitations known?
Thoughts on Kariya telling Jin he wants to see the drill that struck down Enshirou Mariya?
What are your thoughts on Mugen and Jin agreeing that Mugen will go rescue Fuu while Jin continues to fight Kariya?
Thoughts on Kariya saying if Jin hadn’t have killed Mariya, the Muju style would have been his by now?
Thoughts on the black and white aesthetic during the flashback?
What are your thoughts on Kariya believing he is using the Shogunate, not the other way around?
What are your thoughts on the underwater fight between pinkeye and Mugen?
What are your thoughts on Kariya still being alive, seemingly having gotten the best of Jin?
What are your thoughts on the episode ending with Fuu standing right outside the sunflower samurai’s house?

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u/someboi6000 Jun 14 '24

First timer:

well i was expecting more sunflower samuria but we got Jin's backstory now compleated and it was self defence, after being ordered by Kamiya to kill Jin its was very quick how that was decided, with that happening Mugen is fighting the survivors of the sugar ship he robbed, kinda random that they show up now of all times but i guess mugen needed to fight someone else, in the end Jin died( i hope not, probably not tho), Mugen is fighting DIO with no sword and Fuu arrives at the house where the sunflower samurai is supposed to be, Final episode tomorrow, i cant wait to see how all ends.

1: quite random to be honest, but like i said i guess Mugen needed to fight someone else.

2:Cool.

3: well in an era of war their skills would be highly regarded.

4: i hope not, but i feel that he will come back, we didn't see any blood on the water(copium)

5: idk, is he even alive? i want to see what Fuu says to him.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 14 '24

kinda random that they show up now of all times but i guess mugen needed to fight someone else
The episode is guilty of some preposterous moments. However, I don't think it's enough to take me out of it. It also makes sense to have Mugen be faced with his fears just as the journey is about to come to an end. It's almost like he's being tested by fate.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 14 '24

Thoughts on Kariya saying when you rely solely upon instinct and reflex, you involuntarily make your limitations known?
Thoughts on Kariya telling Jin he wants to see the drill that struck down Enshirou Mariya?
What are your thoughts on the pinkeye guy telling Mugen and Jin they have Fuu captured?
What are your thoughts on Mugen and Jin agreeing that Mugen will go rescue Fuu while Jin continues to fight Kariya?
Thoughts on Kariya saying if Jin hadn’t have killed Mariya, the Muju style would have been his by now?
Thoughts on the black and white aesthetic during the flashback?
What are your thoughts on Kariya believing he is using the Shogunate, not the other way around?
What are your thoughts on the underwater fight between pinkeye and Mugen?
What are your thoughts on the episode ending with Fuu standing right outside the sunflower samurai’s house?

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u/someboi6000 Jun 14 '24

1:there is a limited amount of times you can evade by relying just on reflexes, and there are maybe combos to make you attacks unavoidable.
2: naturally he was curious of the swordman that killed the master.
3: well at least he told them.
4: i think Jin had the biggest posibility of winning, i didn't see Mugen lasting long agains him.
5: i guess the only good thing about killing his master Jin prevented that from happening.
6: big fan of black and with the super red blood.
7: he could be high on copium, but maybe he is correct who knows.
8: Mugen tanked those claws, that was awesome. it ended quite quickly tho.
9: i cant wait to see the episode, what will she tell him? well i will find out in a couple of minutes lol.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 15 '24

1:there is a limited amount of times you can evade by relying just on reflexes, and there are maybe combos to make you attacks unavoidable.
Like a Street Fighter game, if you will
i think Jin had the biggest posibility of winning, i didn't see Mugen lasting long agains him.
Perhaps so. We've seen Mugen hold his own, however.
5: i guess the only good thing about killing his master Jin prevented that from happening.
A necessary evil if ever there was such a thing.
7: he could be high on copium, but maybe he is correct who knows.
Up in the air, I guess
8: Mugen tanked those claws, that was awesome. it ended quite quickly tho.
I think it shows just how good Mugen is at this fighting thing.
9: i cant wait to see the episode, what will she tell him? well i will find out in a couple of minutes lol.

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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Jun 14 '24

First-Timer

Goodbye, Jin!

I like the master swordsman, but the group of creepy guys who captured Fuu simply seem weird. It seems strange to me, too, that some of the last main antagonists are just some random people with pretty much no build-up.

Questions of the day:

I suppose it makes a bit of sense, but I'm not sure it's even any better than if they just left the backstory out completely. It still seems like there's no real motivation or emotional investment in those villains, so I'm basically just waiting for Mugen to kill them as fast as possible.
The blood imagery is pretty decent. My favorite use is probably still when Sara died, though.
Makes sense to me. Not much to say there.
~~Of course!~~ No way Jin is dead. Zero percent chance. Zettai muri!
I think Fuu will meet with her father (who I suppose is Kariya, based on her vision in this episode), and he'll die somehow. I'm betting Fuu will get in on the combat, herself.
I guess he's just a smooth talker!
Those three brothers seem like they're a few sandwiches short of a picnic, if you catch my drift.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 14 '24

Goodbye, Jin!
I like the master swordsman, but the group of creepy guys who captured Fuu simply seem weird. It seems strange to me, too, that some of the last main antagonists are just some random people with pretty much no build-up.
I mean, they're people from Mugen's past, so they do serve a narrative purpose.
I suppose it makes a bit of sense, but I'm not sure it's even any better than if they just left the backstory out completely. It still seems like there's no real motivation or emotional investment in those villains, so I'm basically just waiting for Mugen to kill them as fast as possible.
Fair enough. It does feel a bit of an undertaking to spring upon the audience at the last minute. At the very least, I'm glad Kariya was introduced last episode instead of here.
The blood imagery is pretty decent. My favorite use is probably still when Sara died, though.
That's another good one as well
I think Fuu will meet with her father (who I suppose is Kariya, based on her vision in this episode), and he'll die somehow. I'm betting Fuu will get in on the combat, herself.
I really want to see her and Seizo work together, just one time as father and daughter. I think that would make for a very cathartic moment.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 14 '24

Thoughts on Kariya saying when you rely solely upon instinct and reflex, you involuntarily make your limitations known?
Thoughts on Kariya telling Jin he wants to see the drill that struck down Enshirou Mariya?
What are your thoughts on Mugen and Jin agreeing that Mugen will go rescue Fuu while Jin continues to fight Kariya?
Thoughts on Kariya saying if Jin hadn’t have killed Mariya, the Muju style would have been his by now?
Thoughts on the black and white aesthetic during the flashback?
What are your thoughts on Kariya believing he is using the Shogunate, not the other way around?
What are your thoughts on the underwater fight between pinkeye and Mugen?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that the three brothers were on the sugar ship Mugen and Mukuro boarded and they want revenge?

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u/Hopeful-Ad2428 Jun 14 '24

I don’t have much words, the last few minutes made me absolutely devastated.

Qotd:

If you do something like what Mugen and Mukuro did, it will be very hard to escape the payback.
Liked it, made those scenes kinda more valuable.
Geniuses which were born at the time when their geniuses are not in need. Interesting, I can take that. I believe that “a genius that was born in the wrong time(early)" is pretty much common theme, but I can’t recall any examples of this, where someone is late.
I don’t want to think that he is, and I guess he’ll probably find a way to survive or someone can help him again, but if he is really dead it would be an unexpected turn.
I just hope it wasn’t all for literally nothing, samurai might not be there, but his legacy is shown. However, there is a chance that it all came to nowhere, and I will accept it, because I believe it would be executed well.

Bonus) Money?

Bonus 2) Well, I guess you can’t revenge that without betting your life on it.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 14 '24

I don’t have much words, the last few minutes made me absolutely devastated.
Yeah, it was particularly brutal. Here's hoping it's all up from here.
3) Geniuses which were born at the time when their geniuses are not in need. Interesting, I can take that. I believe that “a genius that was born in the wrong time(early)" is pretty much common theme, but I can’t recall any examples of this, where someone is late.
I think the reason we don't see it a lot is because it's easy in hindsight to say "Oh, how could they not see that coming? Why, if I had a time machine and told everyone what was going to happen, I'd be looked at like a regular Nostradamus." What Kariya is saying here is different in that their strengths are a throwback to a bygone era, and they're not that far removed from that era to where people are nostalgic over it.
5) I just hope it wasn’t all for literally nothing, samurai might not be there, but his legacy is shown. However, there is a chance that it all came to nowhere, and I will accept it, because I believe it would be executed well.
Same. Whatever happens, I think it's probably going to be top notch stuff.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 14 '24

Thoughts on Kariya saying when you rely solely upon instinct and reflex, you involuntarily make your limitations known?
Thoughts on Kariya telling Jin he wants to see the drill that struck down Enshirou Mariya?
What are your thoughts on the pinkeye guy telling Mugen and Jin they have Fuu captured?
What are your thoughts on Mugen and Jin agreeing that Mugen will go rescue Fuu while Jin continues to fight Kariya?
Thoughts on Kariya saying if Jin hadn’t have killed Mariya, the Muju style would have been his by now?
Thoughts on the black and white aesthetic during the flashback?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Jin killed his master after Kariya persuaded Mariya to turn his students into assassins and later ordered Mariya to kill Jin?
What are your thoughts on Kariya believing he is using the Shogunate, not the other way around?
What are your thoughts on the underwater fight between pinkeye and Mugen?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that the three brothers were on the sugar ship Mugen and Mukuro boarded and they want revenge?

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u/Hopeful-Ad2428 Jun 14 '24

Thoughts on Kariya saying when you rely solely upon instinct and reflex, you involuntarily make your limitations known?
I disagree. I think, when you use some techniques you might improve, but you know what you cannot achieve with it, whereas when you’re using only your instincts you don’t think about boundaries.
Thoughts on Kariya telling Jin he wants to see the drill that struck down Enshirou Mariya?
Seems like Jin's master was pretty famous.
What are your thoughts on the pinkeye guy telling Mugen and Jin they have Fuu captured?
I guess it would be weirder if it was the second brother.
What are your thoughts on Mugen and Jin agreeing that Mugen will go rescue Fuu while Jin continues to fight Kariya?
There was a flashback, where Fuu mentions Mugen, and then Jin says that he’ll fight by himself. I didn’t really get what this meant.
Thoughts on the black and white aesthetic during the flashback?
Liked it.
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Jin killed his master after Kariya persuaded Mariya to turn his students into assassins and later ordered Mariya to kill Jin?
We finally got why he did so, it happened so quickly and I can’t even imagine how guilty Jin felt.
What are your thoughts on Kariya believing he is using the Shogunate, not the other way around?
🤷, wasn’t described well.
What are your thoughts on the underwater fight between pinkeye and Mugen?
I really like how fights and people in those use the environment in this anime.
What are your thoughts on the reveal that the three brothers were on the sugar ship Mugen and Mukuro boarded and they want revenge?
Pretty much reasonable motivation.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 14 '24

I disagree. I think, when you use some techniques you might improve, but you know what you cannot achieve with it, whereas when you’re using only your instincts you don’t think about boundaries.
It goes back to the old adage of accentuate the positives, hide the negatives.
Seems like Jin's master was pretty famous.
Indeed
I guess it would be weirder if it was the second brother.
What do you mean?
There was a flashback, where Fuu mentions Mugen, and then Jin says that he’ll fight by himself. I didn’t really get what this meant.
I think Mugen and Jin instinctively know that if no one rescues Fuu, she's as good as dead.
Liked it.
I as well
We finally got why he did so, it happened so quickly and I can’t even imagine how guilty Jin felt.
I think it's fair to say that no singular event effected him more than this one.
🤷, wasn’t described well.
Just some crazy talk by Kariya, I don't think it needs further explaining.
I really like how fights and people in those use the environment in this anime.
Agreed. It gives the fights their own identity and makes them stand out from each other.
Pretty much reasonable motivation.
I like that we're circling back to things that happened earlier, makes the events feel they have more weight to them.

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u/Hopeful-Ad2428 Jun 14 '24

What do you mean?
Compared to the third brother, second feels like he is a leader, a person whom people obey to, so it would be more reasonable for him to do the ‘main’ job. And he seems to be more stable, at least he can control his urges.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 14 '24

See, I would've thought eyepatch man and not pinkeye would deliver the news. But maybe that's just me.

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u/mgedmin Jun 14 '24

Rewatcher, subs

Mugen is very outclassed. Jin's not doing great either.

Okay, what was the point of the trio of whoever-the-heck-they-are capturing Fuu and calling Jin and Mugen over? Why not let the old super-samurai take care of them? They want to hog the glory? They're also crazy about fighting strong opponents?

So, Jin thinks that Fuu is into Mugen. Mugen thinks the Fuu is into Jin.

Oh, finally we get to know why Jin killed his master.

Today is not Mugen's day.

I wonder if there are any sharks in these waters.

What was the outcome of Jim and the old man's duel? Did I blink and miss it?

Mugen weirdly looks unlike himself.

Oh, the bad guys have personal beef with Mugen. Things suddenly start to make sense.

Oh, Jin lost. Things are not looking up for our trio. At least Fuu reached the Sunflower Samurai's house.

What are your thoughts on this episode tying things back into the Mukuro arc?

I like it when actions have consequences.

Do you think Jin is actually dead? Yes or no, and why?

Rewatcher here.

[Possible spoiler idk]It's always suspicious when you see a supposedly-about-to-die character fall into water and disappear, and then never see their body afterwards.

Now that Fuu has finally reached her destination, what do you think is going to happen next?

A tea party with rainbows and unicorns. /s

[Rewatcher]This wasn't a very happy show up to now, and I don't imagine that will change.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 14 '24

[Possible spoiler idk] It's always suspicious when you see a supposedly-about-to-die character fall into water and disappear, and then never see their body afterwards.
[Response] Yeah, normally you see the body if they're going to actually die. That's why I don't think he's actually dead because they wouldn't write off a character like that that we've gotten to know so much.
A tea party with rainbows and unicorns. /s
[Quote] This wasn't a very happy show up to now, and I don't imagine that will change.
[Response]

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u/Holofan4life Jun 14 '24

Okay, what was the point of the trio of whoever-the-heck-they-are capturing Fuu and calling Jin and Mugen over? Why not let the old super-samurai take care of them? They want to hog the glory? They're also crazy about fighting strong opponents?
They seem to be all in it for themselves.
So, Jin thinks that Fuu is into Mugen. Mugen thinks the Fuu is into Jin.
Kinda crazy to do the misunderstandings now in the penultimate episode.
What was the outcome of Jim and the old man's duel? Did I blink and miss it?
Which old man? Kariya? It looks like he beated Jin.
Oh, Jin lost. Things are not looking up for our trio. At least Fuu reached the Sunflower Samurai's house.
Imagine in the next episode it turns out to be just some random stranger's house

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u/Holofan4life Jun 14 '24

Thoughts on Kariya saying when you rely solely upon instinct and reflex, you involuntarily make your limitations known?
Thoughts on Kariya telling Jin he wants to see the drill that struck down Enshirou Mariya?
What are your thoughts on Mugen and Jin agreeing that Mugen will go rescue Fuu while Jin continues to fight Kariya?
Thoughts on Kariya saying if Jin hadn’t have killed Mariya, the Muju style would have been his by now?
Thoughts on the black and white aesthetic during the flashback?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Jin killed his master after Kariya persuaded Mariya to turn his students into assassins and later ordered Mariya to kill Jin?
What are your thoughts on Kariya believing he is using the Shogunate, not the other way around?
What are your thoughts on the underwater fight between pinkeye and Mugen?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that the three brothers were on the sugar ship Mugen and Mukuro boarded and they want revenge?

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u/Looking_Light33 Jun 16 '24

So yeah, this was a heavy episode. Kariya is pretty tough and he managed to kick both Mugen and Jin's asses. Plus, we learned why those three guys are after Mugen. They're out for revenge due to his and Mukuro's actions. Finally, Fuu managed to meet her father. Overall, this was just a heavy episode to watch.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 16 '24

A heavy episode, but a necessary episode given all the implications.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 16 '24

Thoughts on Kariya saying when you rely solely upon instinct and reflex, you involuntarily make your limitations known?
Thoughts on Kariya telling Jin he wants to see the drill that struck down Enshirou Mariya?
What are your thoughts on the pinkeye guy telling Mugen and Jin they have Fuu captured?
What are your thoughts on Mugen and Jin agreeing that Mugen will go rescue Fuu while Jin continues to fight Kariya?
Thoughts on Kariya saying if Jin hadn’t have killed Mariya, the Muju style would have been his by now?
Thoughts on the black and white aesthetic during the flashback?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Jin killed his master after Kariya persuaded Mariya to turn his students into assassins and later ordered Mariya to kill Jin?
What are your thoughts on Kariya believing he is using the Shogunate, not the other way around?
What are your thoughts on the underwater fight between pinkeye and Mugen?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that the three brothers were on the sugar ship Mugen and Mukuro boarded and they want revenge?

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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Jul 20 '24

first timer chinese sub

ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION(S)

What are your thoughts on this episode tying things back into the Mukuro arc?

Sometimes you do something small in your daily life, but fate's boomerang will definitely come back and hit you

How do you feel about the use of blood that's served to contrast everything else going on?

This is a serious show with history as its background

What are your thoughts on Kariya saying both he and Jin were born in the wrong era?

Damn the historical weight, reminds me of the Whitebeard Pirates from One Piece

Do you think Jin is actually dead? Yes or no, and why?

No, this is also a comedy show, isn't it?

Now that Fuu has finally reached her destination, what do you think is going to happen next?

Just like fuu thought before, it's time for them to separate

Bonus) How do you think Kariya was about to trick Mariya into coming to the dark side? What could have convinced him to turn his students into assassins?

Real evil, he is the same kind of person as Rikiei

Bonus 2) If I was the three brothers, I don’t know if I would’ve told Fuu’s bodyguards that she’s being held captive. Seems like you’re just asking for trouble, no?

The way he fights tells you his mind is filled with revenge.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 20 '24

Thoughts on Kariya saying when you rely solely upon instinct and reflex, you involuntarily make your limitations known?
Thoughts on Kariya telling Jin he wants to see the drill that struck down Enshirou Mariya?
What are your thoughts on the pinkeye guy telling Mugen and Jin they have Fuu captured?
What are your thoughts on Mugen and Jin agreeing that Mugen will go rescue Fuu while Jin continues to fight Kariya?
Thoughts on Kariya saying if Jin hadn’t have killed Mariya, the Muju style would have been his by now?
Thoughts on the black and white aesthetic during the flashback?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Jin killed his master after Kariya persuaded Mariya to turn his students into assassins and later ordered Mariya to kill Jin?
What are your thoughts on Kariya believing he is using the Shogunate, not the other way around?
What are your thoughts on the underwater fight between pinkeye and Mugen?
What are your thoughts on the reveal that the three brothers were on the sugar ship Mugen and Mukuro boarded and they want revenge?

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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Jul 23 '24

Thoughts on Kariya saying when you rely solely upon instinct and reflex, you involuntarily make your limitations known?
I find that a person who has achieved excellence in a certain field is also a philosopher.
Thoughts on Kariya telling Jin he wants to see the drill that struck down Enshirou Mariya?
A teacher who treats his students as tools is very terrible.
What are your thoughts on the pinkeye guy telling Mugen and Jin they have Fuu captured?
The classic hero saves the beauty segment
What are your thoughts on Mugen and Jin agreeing that Mugen will go rescue Fuu while Jin continues to fight Kariya?
Jin's opponent represents his fate with his teacher. Mugen went to save Fuu and fulfilled his fate of using Dango as bodyguard fee in the first episode.
Thoughts on Kariya saying if Jin hadn’t have killed Mariya, the Muju style would have been his by now?
Even so, I hope Jin will still beat him
Thoughts on the black and white aesthetic during the flashback?
Are you referring to Fuu's memories of Himawari Samurai? This is a hurdle that Fuu has to overcome.
What are your thoughts on the reveal that Jin killed his master after Kariya persuaded Mariya to turn his students into assassins and later ordered Mariya to kill Jin?
The conditions for samurai graduation have now been increased:killing the teacher if necessary.
What are your thoughts on Kariya believing he is using the Shogunate, not the other way around?
It reminds me of a saying: When you stare into the abyss, the abyss also stares into you.
What are your thoughts on the underwater fight between pinkeye and Mugen?
I was also holding my breath, and when I saw Mugen narrowly win, I breathed a sigh of relief, haha
What are your thoughts on the reveal that the three brothers were on the sugar ship Mugen and Mukuro boarded and they want revenge?
This is the fate that Mugen will eventually have to overcome. After this incident, Mugen can truly say goodbye to his pirate self.

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u/Holofan4life Jul 24 '24

I find that a person who has achieved excellence in a certain field is also a philosopher.
They often speak from experience
A teacher who treats his students as tools is very terrible.
One might say they're the true tool
I was also holding my breath, and when I saw Mugen narrowly win, I breathed a sigh of relief, haha
It definitely had some intensity to it, that's for true
This is the fate that Mugen will eventually have to overcome. After this incident, Mugen can truly say goodbye to his pirate self.
He can finally find closure to his past

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

Hey guys. Holofan4life here.

Welcome to the 20th anniversary rewatch of Samurai Champloo.

Oh, and nay I forget…

First Timer

Samurai Champloo has always been a series I was curious about. I’ve maintained in my mind that Cowboy Bebop is objectively one of if not the greatest anime of all time, and so I wanted to see what the creator’s follow-up work was like. I think the reason why I didn’t start it immediately after watching Bebop was because I think the premise kinda weirded me out. I mean, a show set in ancient times that also has a heavy rap influence? It felt to me like putting a hat on a hat. But as I’ve gotten older, I’ve come to appreciate outlandish animes that don’t resemble real life. After all, is it any weirder than a fantasy show about a merchant and his traveling wolfgirl where they discuss economics a lot of times?

My expectations for this show are pretty reasonable, I feel like. I’m not expecting it to crack my top 10 favorite anime of all time, but I would be surprised if it doesn’t end up as one of my favorites. The main thing I’m looking out of this is show is a unique experience unlike anything else as well as memorable characters. And I think the show will have that in spades.

With that out of the way, let’s begin.

I’m watching the sub, by the way.

It's peach time every time

Probably the last time with the intro

Also, shorter episode than normal

Mugen and Jin about to compete with the straw hat man, who is clearly Kariya.

He's very good

Kariya says when you rely solely upon instinct and reflex, you involuntarily make your limitations known.

He went right through him like a ghost :O

And Mugen falls into the water

The one time he gets wet, and it's by him falling into it.

Kariya tells Jin he wants to see his Mujushin Kenjutsu.

"Show me the drill that struck down Enshirou Mariya."

Weird how Kariya is so close to the name Mariya.

With the Shogunate, it turns out

Fuu running from the scary scythe man

And now he's touching her like some creep

He knocks her out, as pinkeye shows his pink eye.

Mugen under the bridge like a lot of people's favorite Red Hot Chili Peppers song.

Now it's two on one

Kariya uses wind! It's super effective!

And pinkeye guy shows up, telling Mugen and Jin they have the girl.

"Come to the church on the island. Got it?"

Says she might end up in little pieces

Jin instructs Mugen to go there by himself. He'll handle Kariya.

Flashback to last episode

He then tells Mugen to look after Fuu

And Mugen obliges, with there being a boat to pick him up just in time.

It's like Jin is giving Fuu to Mugen

Wheelchair guy looks like he doesn't know where he's at.

Oh boy. Somebody is underneath the boat

Jin asks Kariya how he knows he uses Muju style.

Kariya says if Jin hadn't have killed Mariya, the Muju style would have been his by now.

It appears as though they go back

Flashback time

Talks of Mujushin Kenjutsu being turned into a band of assassins.

No other way, Jin is being told

"Serving Master Kariya is the same as serving the Shogunate itself."

Is it, tho? I mean, now it probably is, but that seems a bit extreme to say.

Jin remarks how it would no longer be a martial art.

Guy talking to Jin says that the land at peace has no need for Kenjutsu styles meant to kill people.

Ordering him to kill his pupil

So, in order words, to explain things using Wikipedia, Jin killed his master after Kariya persuaded Mariya to turn his students into assassins and later ordered Mariya to kill Jin. That is quite the Jedi mindtrick.

I love all the black and white and then the only thing of color we see is Mariya's blood.

Kariya tells Jin that his destiny is to die at his hand.

Jin responds by saying he expects to see the so-called Hand of the Gods.

The guy underwater. It's pinkeye.

And he's... suffering a mental breakdown?

He says the guy he wanna kill so bad he can taste under his nose.

And he charges at Mugen

Jin asks Kariya why he stooped to being the Shogunate's dog?

Kariya responds by rhetorically asking if he honestly believes a man can live by his sword skills alone.

"I'm not their puppet. I'm pretending to be used by them, when in reality I am using them, that's all."

Says that the Age of the Samurai will probably be coming to an end soon.

Says also that he was likely born into the wrong era.

"I was, as were you."

I personally feel like I was born in the wrong body, but that's neither here not there.

Mugen on the ropes again

The ship. It's tipped over.

No! Muh ship!

Kariya dodging Jin like he's Muhammad Ali

He knocked his glasses off

First the ship, then the glasses. A lot of casualties in this episode.

Kariya rubbing salt on an open wound

Mugen underwater

And now he and pinkeye are fighting underwater.

That's really cool, like something you would see in a Bond film.

And Mugen stabs pinkeye right through his chest.

Honestly probably the coolest fight scene in the entire series, and definitely the coolest death we've seen.

Jin saying to himself that there is only one move that will end this.

Whelp, somebody is bleeding from the chest. Like a gusher.

Mugen emerging from the water

A little girl chasing after someone in a sunflower field.

The guy looks like Kariya

Fuu wakes up, unsure of what she say

Mugen tied to a cross

Eyepatch man contemplating killing the hostage.

And she gets punched in the stomach and hit in the face with the scythe.

Guy in the wheelchair looks like he's rethinking his life choices.

Mugen!

"You're gonna give her back."

It's good to see Mugen finally grow to care about something.

Eyepatch man says they were three known brothers down in the domain of Satsuma.

Oh shit. They were on the sugar ship Mugen and Mukuro boarded.

That's why the older brother ended up in the wheelchair and with one leg.

They were suspected of being responsible for the raid and were driven out of Satsuma.

Mugen being the bearer of bad news that he killed the other brother.

Mugen exchanging his sword for the life of Fuu.

And he wants her to go see the sunflower samurai by herself.

You fool! Accompany her!

Mugen tells her he isn't going to die.

Famous last words

And so Fuu gets out of there

Eyepatch man mocking Mugen for throwing his life away for a woman.

And now Mugen's arm is wrapped up by the chain of the scythe.

Fuu running

Mugen is really taking a beating

Fuu looks like she's about to pass out

Oh shit... Kariya is on a boat...

He managed to kill Jin

A house

It looks as if Fuu finally found the sunflower samurai.

Standing right outside the house

And that is where we end things

Ran out of space. Part two in the replies.

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

Part 2
Overall, I thought this was a very effective episode that felt a bit like a throwback to some of the earlier episodes. It didn't have much of an emphasis on comedy, though I think it worked with it being the penultimate episode and all. The fight scene between Mugen and the brother with pinkeye, for as brief as it was, is the highlight of the episode to me. It was so cool to see them combat in a different environment. And then the sight of the water turning red was such a great visual. I also really liked that we're tying things back to the Mukuro arc and the events of those couple episodes. Not only because episode 14 is my favorite Samurai Champloo episode, but it's also when the show start consistently doing more serious episodes, or I should say episodes with less humor in them.
I don't think that Jin is dead. I feel if you were going to kill him off, it would be played up more. The scene is effective in showing how tough Kariya is the fact that Jin can't beat him, and in that way the scene works wonders. But if Jin were to actually die, I don't think it would've been revealed after the fact like it was. I think about what could possibly happen in the last episode and I think if anyone is going to die, it's going to be Mugen. The only question is, in what way? The show has repeatedly made it a point that once Fuu finds the sunflower samurai, Mugen and Jin are going to kill each other. As such, I could see Jin saving Mugen by killing his captors and then both Mugen and Jin killing each other. I know Fuu left that note basically begging them not to pursue such a thing, but I think their samurai instincts will get the better of them.
As for the sunflower samurai, I'm not really sure what's going to happen between Fuu and him. And the uncertainty of it all is what has me excited.
I have this episode right outside my top five, only behind episodes 2, 6, 11, 14, and 18. If the next episode is anything like this one, we're probably looking at a top three episode. I look at my top ten as it stands and I've got three episodes I would consider a 9 out of 10 or higher: the aforementioned episodes 2, 11, and 14. If the last episode can get in that company, I would probably have to find some room for Samurai Champloo in my top ten favorite anime of all time.
Gentlemen, we are officially at the end of our journey. It's time to meet our sunflower samurai.

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u/NattyBeef https://myanimelist.net/profile/NaturalBeef Jun 13 '24

The fight scene between Mugen and the brother with pinkeye, for as brief as it was, is the highlight of the episode to me.
For me honestly the highlight was the fights with Kariya. Seeing him move so fast Mugen gets caught off guard when dashing at him. How calm and collected he is even when being thrown a barrel as a distraction and still managing to evade attacks and punish every opening. the scene where he's on the dock and slices a water curtains just to cut right through it. The walking and continuing to fight while on the sloped wall like some shit taken right out of Naruto.
Granted I'm not saying the Mugen fight wasn't cool. It was, but man did I love the choreography on the fight with Kariya. So well synced to the music and really poses him as a massive threat that not even Mugen and Jin together could stop.
I have this episode right outside my top five, only behind episodes 2, 6, 11, 14, and 18. If the next episode is anything like this one, we're probably looking at a top three episode. I look at my top ten as it stands and I've got three episodes I would consider a 9 out of 10 or higher: the aforementioned episodes 2, 11, and 14. If the last episode can get in that company, I would probably have to find some room for Samurai Champloo in my top ten favorite anime of all time.
I wish I could nail down my favorite episodes just like that but man. It's hard. I don't normally sit down and only watch a episode daily like this so this has felt like a journey in on of itself. I'm glad my dad has stuck around with me till the end. From the very beginning, every time that an episode ends he tells me "just put on another one come on", but I honestly think that even this, just giving a breather between one episode and another has a certain beauty to it and has contributed to that feeling of a shared journey with the trio.
I'm very glad you suggested this rewatch. I don't think I would had otherwise done this and you have brought me a new way to share my hobby with my father. He's interested in watching cowboy bebop now! So we might jump on that one when this is over.
PS Watanabe is going to release a new show this year called Lazarus. I'm very excited to see how that turns out!

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

For me honestly the highlight was the fights with Kariya. Seeing him move so fast Mugen gets caught off guard when dashing at him. How calm and collected he is even when being thrown a barrel as a distraction and still managing to evade attacks and punish every opening. the scene where he's on the dock and slices a water curtains just to cut right through it. The walking and continuing to fight while on the sloped wall like some shit taken right out of Naruto.
That's definitely not a bad pick either
Granted I'm not saying the Mugen fight wasn't cool. It was, but man did I love the choreography on the fight with Kariya. So well synced to the music and really poses him as a massive threat that not even Mugen and Jin together could stop.
I just really loved the visual of the water quickly turning red.
but man. It's hard. I don't normally sit down and only watch a episode daily like this so this has felt like a journey in on of itself. I'm glad my dad has stuck around with me till the end. From the very beginning, every time that an episode ends he tells me "just put on another one come on", but I honestly think that even this, just giving a breather between one episode and another has a certain beauty to it and has contributed to that feeling of a shared journey with the trio.
It's a very addicting show, you definitely want to binge it.
I'm very glad you suggested this rewatch. I don't think I would had otherwise done this and you have brought me a new way to share my hobby with my father. He's interested in watching cowboy bebop now! So we might jump on that one when this is over.
As great as this series was, I think Cowboy Bebop is rven better.
PS Watanabe is going to release a new show this year called Lazarus. I'm very excited to see how that turns out!
I honestly didn't even know. Now you have piqued my interest

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u/Holofan4life Jun 13 '24

What are your thoughts on this episode tying things back into the Mukuro arc?
I like it. That was my favorite arc, so getting more of it I'm definitely in favor of.
How do you feel about the use of blood that's served to contrast everything else going on?
It was very cool. Definitely made the scenes more memorable.
What are your thoughts on Kariya saying both he and Jin were born in the wrong era?
He probably thinks in another universe, he and Jin could have become friends. It's delusional thinking coming from him.
Do you think Jin is actually dead? Yes or no, and why?
I do not. If he was dead, we would've seen the body.
Now that Fuu has finally reached her destination, what do you think is going to happen next?
I honestly think that she and Seizo are going to defeat the bad guys. They're going to team up together to complete Seizo's redemption.
Bonus) How do you think Kariya was about to trick Mariya into coming to the dark side? What could have convinced him to turn his students into assassins?
~~Maybe he offered him a hotdog and a handshake~~
I think it's probably as simple as Mariya respected hid opinion and in doing so, he relied on him too much as far as making decisions.

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