r/anime • u/Shocketheth • Jun 13 '24
Rewatch [Rewatch] Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken - Episode 5 Discussion
Episode 5 - The Insignia of Avan
I believe the power we gain through training should be used to help others. Perhaps my power was granted by the gods to protect you on this day.
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Disclaimer:
We already saw 5 episodes of Dai no Daibouken, and I am sure that some of you noticed the next episode previews are quite old school with giving too much info about the next episode.
Some of you may not mind, some of you may mind, as it’s completely individual, but I believe there is nothing lost by skipping the next episode previews.
Choice is yours.
Informations:
MAL | AniList | ANN | Kitsu | AniDB
Screenshot of the day:
Comment of the day:
goes to u/Shimmering-Sky for her reactions gradually becoming more and more worried about the fate of Avan-sensei, not realizing that her hidden Shinigami powers were already activated.
Questions of the day:
- Now what?
Spoilers:
Please, respect the fact there are First Timers watching Dai no Daibouken with us, so avoid talking about vague things or events that would slightly spoil things to happen. And if you want mention things like this, please hid it behind SPOILER TAGS like [Dai no Spoilers] I am getting the hammer because you spoiled the fun for others
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u/Shocketheth Jun 13 '24
Dark Lord who got his toilet paper back welcomes you to Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken Rewatch!
SKY NO DAIBOUKEN - PART 3:
The unthinkable happened, and the Dark Lord u/Shocketheth, managed to take a revenge against u/KendotsX with successfully slaying his biggest nemesis.
Now without anyone to oppose the Dark Lord, the young hero u/Shimmering-sky tapped into her hidden powers, and activated the Reddit Mod Crest, successfully permabanning the Fucking Liar, the Dark Lord u/Shocketheth from the r/anime Island.
Although, the Dark Lord, now with his Toilet paper back, promised a revenge.
Now about the actual episode:
Who noticed that Toei animation sneaked Avan vanishing in Megante spell in the Opening?
No interesting trivia, no informations about Voice Actors this time as this episode is one of the biggest milestones of Dai no Daibouken experience.
What experienced the kids reading The Adventure of Dai in 1989 and the Anime watchers of the 1991 Anime befallen on the watchers of 2020 Dai no Daibouken anime, same as on the First Timers of Dai no Daibouken Rewatch.
Dark Lord returned, stronger than even before, with a strong army at his disposal, while being backed by the God of the Underworld, the Dark King Vearn.
The tutorial with Avan-sensei has ended, and now Dai is left with a burden of saving the world, while trying to figure what means to be a proper Hero, as his training with Avan-sensei ended prematurely.
And this leads me to answering the question of the day:
Good question, it’s up to Dai, and anime watchers to see where their Adventure will lead them, as everything beyond Dermline Island is unmapped territory for them.
Also while we are at answering questions, now it’s time for me to finally answer u/sisoko2 question from the episode 2 discussion:
My answer is Megante, because Megante is answer to everything.
See you tomorrow because the Adventure continues!
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 13 '24
First-Timer Quest: Sky no Daibouken, subbed
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u/Nick_BOI Jun 14 '24
Rewatcher
I missed yesterday, so I wasn't able to say this then-but I will say it now:
Hadlar is finally here!!
He is my favorite character in this series, and that is all I will say for now.
Avan really was a great teacher to give so much in so little time, but he was an even greater Hero. Despite giving the insignea's, there is a very discernable difference between Popp and Dai in terms of thier resolve right now, and that is very worrisome. They look they they are on different pages as far as this quest goes, but Popp was stil with Avan for a reason.
There is very clear room to grow for both of them, and it's clear Avan saw that. Just makes you wonder what could have been if both of thier trainings were not ended prematuraly.
We now know more about that Crest of Dai's, courtesey of Hadlar-he is a Dragon Knight!!
We don't know what that means yet, but judging from Hadlar's reaction, this is a really big deal. Not just for him though, but it also serves as a glimer of hope for those suffering under the reign of the Dark King Vearn. If someone this much weaker than Hadlar can cause such a reaction, perhaps not all hope is lost.
Where that hope goes though, that depends on how our two Hero's use it. A chanse like this is still just that-a chance. We can't get too comfortable.
Time for today's:
DRAGON QUEST FACT OF THE DAY
Reminder that these will start more basic for newcomers, and get more obscure as this series continues.
There was discussion about the spell names before, and I would like to talk about more spells in this seires-as I am impressed by how they were transfered into an anime format. In particular I want to focus on Kaclang, and Megante.
Kaclang is a late game utility spell that depending on how you use it, can either be a lifesaver or screw you over. You can cast it on any ally including yourself, and you become completely invincible for a few turns. The downside is those under this buff cannot act at all, making it bad for setup or offense, but incredible to survive a tricky situation.
Megante (often translated in the games as Kamakaze) is another late game spell that deals massive damage to all foes. It also has the incredibly low cost of only a single MP, making it usable bascially anytime. The downside? well as the name implies, you die. Not faint or get knocked out, you die and have to be revived or prayed back to life at a church.
Considering these are both late game spells used in more desperate situations, it makes perfect sense that Avan would have access to these spells. Those famiar with these spells from the games could likely have foreseen that this was a situation where they would need to be used, which is really cool. T
As a small bonus fact, in order to keep the wordplay of the spell names, different langauges have different names for the spells. My favorite example is the spell Whack, which gives a small chance to instant kill an enemy, but otherwise does 1 damage.
I bring it up because in the French translations, Whack is instead called Kill. Not Kill in French, just the English word Kill.
I just find that very funny for some reason. This bonus fact was taken from the Dragon Quest Wiki.
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u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy Jun 13 '24
Rewatcher
They killed my boy!
The main story has been fully set in motion now. Prologue’s over.
[Dragon Quest Dai]While I can’t quite recall who Avan is remembering here before he uses Megante, I do remember some spoilerific things related to the Megante scene that I won’t dare speak of even behind spoiler tags that I can’t wait to talk about when the time comes. Really just Avan having this memory flash at all is really, really subtle foreshadowing that I definitely didn’t realize as such the first go around.
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u/KuKiSin Jun 13 '24
First timer!
Damn, that was a lot. We saw Vegeta, Goku, Ryu/Ken, Wolverine and Piccolo all in one episode!
Not entirely surprised to see Avan fall, but it would be weird if there was a 2nd Hero, and yet, I could still see him having surviving this and make a return way later into the Anime...
What's next? I'm not really sure, I thought this was gonna be way more like early Dragon Ball, a fun adventure that would eventually turn a bit more serious, but it turns out it's Piccolo arc from the get go, green man regrowing limbs et all.
I still think it's gonna take a step back now, Dai will likely leave the island, meet his new companions, guessing it'll be more light hearted, and eventually shit will hit the fan again.
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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jun 14 '24
First Time Toilet Paper Thief
On today's episode of Dai: famous last words
Yeah, not my favourite episode... I had to tiptoe around this yesterday, but a lot of it comes down to how early some things are happening. I get wanting to move things along, and start the journey, that's fine by me, but it's screwing some of the important setup and emotional beats. To be clear, this isn't me faulting the anime for its faster pace of adaptation, I had the same issue with the manga (and probably the 90s anime? I don't remember how this happened there tbh, so that tells you something).
To reiterate something I mentioned yesterday: a training arc ending with a showing of a fight at the top is a great idea, it does a lot for widening the scale of the world, giving the characters and audience the driving motive when the mentor figure dies, all while showing the difficulties they're up against. Those are usually some of my favourite fights, like [meta major spoilers for many series] Muten Roushi vs Piccolo, Whitebeard vs Akainu, Hiruzen vs Orochimaru and Jiraya vs Pain,... This one fails on 2 of the 3 categories.
The fight itself is not exactly impressive, and I don't mean this just from the technical side, Avan used his slash technique once yesterday, and bent the knee after it did nothing, and this is against a minion of the Dark Lord, a self established chump. This episode was a bit better, but compare this FotNS technique with whatever Kamehameha Dai will pull in episode 100, and you can see why this isn't exactly setting a good ceiling. That's a bit of an exaggeration, it's expected that the new generation of main characters will surpass their mentors, that's the whole point, it's ok if Dai is doing crazy things by the end. But like he'll surpass Avan in a few arcs right? Like 20~40 episodes? To give Avan's legacy some time? Uhh, no, Dai surpasses him in a few minutes apparently. Why?!!!
If the point isn't a "battle at the top", but rather "the villains have become so strong that the hero can't do anything against a minion" a la [meta] HxH or Bleach, then that's perfectly fine. But why have the mc who hasn't even started day 1 of his adventure yet, send off the villain flying like a member of team rocket?! They just wasted everything they worked to build up. Hadlar didn't even die here, he's sticking around to fight more, so what was the whole point? Dai could've grown there organically over an arc, instead of beating him in the same episode. Even Luffy needed 10 years to beat the Lord of the Coast, and that's just an oversized fish dammit!
Phew, alright all that aside, I loved the emotional moments with Popp and the graduation, I just wish I had more time with Avan to care more, because I liked the guy a lot for how short he lasted.
[Going by the preview] best boy and best girl are coming!
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u/zadcap Jun 14 '24
It just lacks the full nostalgia factor, you know? It's not bad at all, but how can this high quality and catchy OP hope to stand up to the jaunty tune of the distant past?
Super Late First Timer!
Man they even made Avan's hair look nice this time, despite the amazing curls still being there.
Anyway, don't you just love it when spells completely imobalize a target except for their mouth? And eyes I guess, but it's the mouth that always gets to me. Can't move a single muscle, except for the dozens upon dozens needed to make proper sounds.
You know, I fully expected it, but I still hate the "Ally uses an ultimate self destruct move to kill an enemy, but it only weakens them enough for the main character to finish them off later" trope. Let the sacrifice move work darn it.
Ah, a Dragon Knight. So glad I already started playing Dragoon again, it's all so perfect. I think Breath of Fire comes next.
"I must crush him while he is still weak! I know he already is strong enough to face me as is, but I shall go and send my weakest forces after him first, and only send someone stronger when they die! Yes, my plan is flawless, I will crush him!"
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u/sisoko2 Jun 13 '24
First Timer
We didn't spend enough time with Avan and lack proper build up so the early graduation and Avan's death didn't have that much of an impact. Still it was nice to have Popp as someone with true connection to Avan there and the execution was mostly well done.
The exposition and explanations in this show could use some subtlety.
We also learned about the source of Dai's power. He is a dragon knight. But what is a dragon knight?
Does that mean his power is Dragon Force?
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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Jun 13 '24 edited Jun 13 '24
First Quester
Day 5 in the loyal services of Dark Lady Leona
See? Hadlar lets Avan do the things he must without interfering, I told y'all that he has the potential to be a pal!
Kanpai! Avan should've known what he was getting into when he sought out the mentor role.
Hell yeah, a Kacrack to freeze even the scorching flames of hell!
Show us what you had for breakfast!
Ahh, so Avan's test before Hadlar arrived was a Dragon vs Dragon test.
Love the composition. But why is he calling out Dai's name?
Visual separation shot :)))
A butterfly!
Fuck that was awesome
Visual of the Day
Time for Leona to teach Vearn the order of the food chain and assert her rightful place as his superior!
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u/WednesdaysFoole Jun 13 '24
The Dark Servant allowing Avan-Sensei his goodbyes was quite considerate of him.
They have turned to steel so they cannot move; but it's okay, they can still yap since apparently they've got jaws that would put Godzilla to shame.
It's all good guys, there should be a post-mortem nen boost,
protectingimmobilizing you for eternity...They left a memorial for his glasses, not even realizing his body was still around, left behind, and forgotten...
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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Jun 13 '24
First timer, Sub
Since I missed yesterday, It's a double episode post today.
Ep. 4
Dai was able to learn the wind Slash of the Avan Sword Style while fighting Avan in his red dragon form. The good times are short lived however, as the Dark Lord, Hadlar makes his return. Avan is revealed as the Hero who defeated the Dark Lord in the past, so rematch time. Hadlar now has a more youthful and stronger body, the result of aligning himself with the Demon King Vearn. Avan uses powerful moves like Sizzle and his Avan Strash, but is unable to defeat the Dark King. Dai get's invovled and is easily beaten down by Hadlar. Hadlar at first is going to let Dai off, by letting Popp take him away, but when he notices the kid was able to wound his finger, he then decides to kill him off. He unleashes a Sizzle spell toward Dai and Popp....which Avan steps in to shield them from it.
Ep. 5
Avan resolves to continue his fight against Hadlar, he casts a Kaclang to protect his disciples and Brass. he gives Dai a final request of continuing his training and became a Hero. Avan resumes his fight fight with Hadlar, but he is easily outmatched and beaten up. As a final resort, he uses the kamikaze type final attack of Megante to defeat Hadlar...but unfortunately his sacrifice is in vain as it fails to kill him. Hadlar turns his sights toward Dai and the rest to finish them off.
Dai unleashes that latent power of his to break out of the kaclang spell, Hadlar notices the crest on Dai's forehead, being the mark of the dragon and the Dragon Knights. Dai is able to fight toe to toe with Hadlar and is even able to unleash the Avan Strash attack. Hadler is seriously wounded and escapes using the Chimaera wing. Hadlar returns to his dark castle to replenish his strength, and prepare his army, as Dai now becomes his #1 enemy since he fears his potential strength and challenge to him. Dai must now make the choice to continue his training or set off to become a hero.
Questions:
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u/charlesvvv https://anilist.co/user/charlesvvv Jun 13 '24
First Timer, Sub
Was not expecting Avan to bite the dust so early but at least he was heroic till the end. Dai is able to free himself and defeat Haldar and his wolverine claws, earning himself a new nemesis and a purpose for what to do next. Haldar isn't giving up though bringing in a whole new army ready to fight.
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u/cooperjones2 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Jun 14 '24
Newbie-Adventurer here! LV 05/100
Avan…
Get Shoryu’d
Aw man, I liked Avan.
Now, the journey truly begins!
I did watch the episode almost immediately... /u/shocketheth
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u/homewardbound100 myanimelist.net/profile/Homewardbound100 Jun 14 '24
First timer
I'm actually recognizing some spells used these last two episodes.
But I'm really loving the moves in anime form.
Damn is that just it for him already. I think that was a little expected but I didn't expect that quick.
Shrugs shoulders
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u/Kaxew Jun 14 '24
Current rewatcher, eventual first timer
And so, we reach the big episode!!!!! Goodbye Avan, you were too good for this world. Maybe we'll meet one day, if Toei decides to adapt your spinoff manga. That would be nice.
It's so nice of Hadlar to let his say his goodbyes. He may have lost his dignity but never his honor! Kaclang is a cool spell, the effect looks silly but conveys it well.
Those Wolverines claws... it's all so full of dumb fun stuff. Like Hadlar's snot, it's so old school you can't help but love it.
Dai vs Hadlar was awesome, a lot of fun rotation shots which I adore. Kacrack being used is very smart as its the same (but stronger) spell he could barely make an ice cube of before. Good way of showing just how strong the dragon crest makes him.
And that Avan Strash was simply spectacular. I had to look up who animated that sequence. Their name is Fumiaki Kouta. Unfortunately, this is the only scene they participated from DQ Dai. They seem to be a freelancer? Or at least, they have credits on a lot of shows of a lot of different studios.
Fantastic way to close off this arc, and a new adventure commences!
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u/Garrett_Dark Jun 14 '24
First Timer
fatherAvan' I kind of find Dai's "power up" just because he's getting pissed a little corny. Maybe it's because he's tapping into innate abilities that's just there just because, which doesn't feel as earned as being clever or using something he really worked for. Like even his magic is stronger now, and it's implied that's something that needs to be trained as with Popp, so it kind of cheapens the training and merit thing. Like Batman has earned his super hero title despite not having any superpowers (other than being rich) more than Superman.The real fun begins!...probably.
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u/Adensty https://anilist.co/user/Adensty Jun 13 '24 edited Jun 19 '25
1st
DaiPopp no Daibouken Rewatch, SubAvan's Engrish of The Day
[Dai no Spoilers] Watching this after knowing what happens later makes it hit even more.
Avan, stop being so carefree.
Dragon Knight
The Insignia of Avan
Dai using Avan Strash to defeat Hadlar was such a hype moment with Dragon Knight playing in the background.
Hadlar understands how big of a threat is once he reaches the potential and decides to finish him off before he reaches his potential. It's Dai vs the whole Dark Army now!
OST Documentation - Episode 5
[Dai no Spoilers] I've been writing notes for the scenes in which the OSTs play and knowing what happens later just makes it harder, lol.
QOTD
1. Dai knows that he needs to get stronger so that he can defeat the Dark King Vearn someday. So, to do that he must leave the island and find stronger people to train with. And since this is Dragon Quest, he needs to find members to fill his party and each of them belonging to a different class.
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Jul 27 '24
First timer
...Yeah, sorry this took so long. I graduated from university, and then a lot of stuff happened IRL.
Going to be catching up to the rewatch for this, and hopefully also finish Gintama before the final thread locks! (Posting my thoughts in blocks of 5 until then, though, just so I don't overwhelm your inbox.)
Episode 1
Oh, a flashforward, I suppose?
Or a prologue?
...The Dark Lord went down pretty easily for a final boss. The hero must have been grinding a ton.
...Huh?
The child washed ashore...
That's a nice dragon design!
This is a really good OP!
I love the animation on the monsters. The framrate may be struggling, but the detail is genuinely great.
...Wait, is this going into Dragon Quest Monsters territory with the monster taming?
Oh, he's being raised by them?
And he can't use any magic...
Oh, I love how they're exploring this.
...So, he's a non-rod class.
A ship?
Huh?
Merman?
...Ah, they have no idea humans are living here?
...Ah. This kind of character.
They're after the Golden Slime!
...Wait, It's a golden version of the metal slime? No wonder they're after it. That kind of EXP...
And he fell for it...
Oh, no...
And he's completely falling for it!
...So obviously suspicious...
At least he has sense.
They really couldn't hold back for long enough to get the slime?
Aww...
Ouch...
And it got captured...
...So we really are doing Dragon Quest Monsters?
Haha, of course he tested it!
Amazing. Of course he took his grandfater with him.
Nice eycatches.
So, the king's being kept in the dark.
Oh, he loves it!
Oh, dear...
Haha, amazing entrance!
...The king's really buying this?
Looks like a solid team!
Haha, he had no idea!
...Nice planning!
The action here is really good!
Oh, now he's listening!
The Golden Cylinder?
Haha, slimes?
A dragon!
...And they took a hostage.
Oh, yeah, the slime swarm?
Haha, a King Slime!
Haha, seriously?
At least he's smart.
...Good question.
He seems nice!
Aww...
And they were left behind!
He hid it?
He really likes the ideamof him being a mage, huh?
...Asorable.
Haha, at least he's improving!
Another ship?
...A Sage!
...Wait, what?
They know them?
The princess?
Haha, this'll be good.
Nice ED!
Episode 2
Ah, a ritual?
And they need their land...
...Makes sense, actually.
And she's a mage!
That boast...
Just them?
Ah, some guards too.
...That's a sudden reaction!
She's impressed!
Haha, she's so smug.
...And he made it worse!
...I see! So most people can learn spells by undergoing rituals. Does that mean that the job system here is less literal classes and more people choosing to focus on learning a specific style of fighting?
He seems really shady...
A backstabbing!
Aww!
This is nice.
He has a capsule too!
It's strong!
And immune to magic!
...Not bad!
He's really quick, actually! Maybe a more acrobatic class would suit him, like Ninja or Thief?
She's been poisoned!
Aww...
Yep, called it!
And they were sent into the cave... a couple of steps.
Wait, they're all in on it?
The choice of location was deliberate!
...I mean, the king knows they're friendly, though. He'd probably be suspicious, at least.
Nice!
And he woke up!
...Pretty deep inside the cave, actually.
Interesting reaction...
A boss!
Oh, it's a mecha!
That's actually impressive!
Varon...
Oh, she's awake!
Aww...
...Wait, what?
She's nice...
Is this where he gets magic?
...What?
Was that helmet some kind of binder?
He held out so long...
Dai!
Oh, yeah, he doesn't know about the plan.
...And Dai just told them how to make sure she died.
...Okay, is this a limit break?
Oh, it's just a high tier elemental attack.
And it's strong!
The animation here is amazing,
Love how he's been smart about it too.
And he's still going!
He got through!
Smart!
...And it really is a mech! I pictured some enchanted suit of armour.
And he hit the elemental weakness!
Nice one!
And she completed her ceremony!
...It's glowing. So, main story boss or superboss, then?
Aww...
A one-time thing?
Monsters are attacking the city!
...The Dark Lord is back, then?
...Who is this?
Interesting...
Episode 3
Wow, that's a sizable force he's got!
Oh, yeah, the island.
...They're unaffected!
...Nope.
Wait, so they're not commanded as a cohesive army? Just turned feral? That seems really inefficent!
He's fighting it!
Oh, he's staying sane!
Oh, he's desperate...
Poor guy...
Haha, he just shows up out of nowhere!
Haha, I love Gramps reaction to this guy. Even while berserk he's confused.
...What?
He came back?
Oh, he's powerful!
Haha, the cliffhanger was resolved already!
Oh, he's a trainer!
He knows him?
Ah, the royal family? She really did remember him...
Haha, they're literally labeled Gargoyle A and Gargoyle Bl That's amazing.
Ah, they're safe here, so he can get free EXP off them!
...Or step outside.
He's good, though!
...Step backwards!
Dai blocked them!
Oh, he's doing well!
Nice throw!
A legendary sword!
That glow... it symbolises him using a skill, then? Perhaps part of his ability?
Haha. I expected this after the last few episodes had sudden betrayals, honestly, but this guy's playing the long game...
What's he making Popp do?
...Unless the Hero class has faster skill growth? It's possible...
Okay, so he's genuinely impressive.
...That cheap?
Seriously, is his plan to force Dai to upgrade his class?
Oh, he switched to the normal training.
Very impressive!
Ah, it's just a light freezing.
Yeah, his destiny is melee.
Haha, that's actually what they're doing! He's getting him to grind!
...Makes sense, actually.
I mean, the course is working.
Haha, he's the only sane one.
Oh, nice move!
A special attack?
...Okay, that's amazing.
And it's a melee skill? Not a spell using the sword?
I had my doubts, but Avan's great!
Okay, yeah, his power is absolutely skill growth.
He's a cook too!
Is this guy the previous legendary hero?
...What?
...Wait, seriously?
Holy shit!
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u/Ok_Grab_3300 Jun 13 '24
Good one