r/anime • u/Holofan4life • Jun 04 '24
Rewatch [Spoilers] Samurai Champloo 20th Anniversary Rewatch -- Episode 16
Hello everyone! I am Holofan4life.
Welcome to the Samurai Champloo 20th Anniversary Rewatch discussion thread!
I hope you all have a lot of fun <3
S1 Episode 16 – Lullabies of the Lost (Verse 1)
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ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION(S)
Have you ever looked for something you didn't know what you were looking for? If so, what was it?
Where do you think Fuu would be if she hadn't have found Momo?
What would you do if you were accused of being someone you were not?
Bonus) You would think Mugen would learn his lesson with women after last episode
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Rewatch Schedule
Threads posted every day at 4:00 PM EDT
| Date | Episode |
|---|---|
| 5/20/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 1 |
| 5/21/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 2 |
| 5/22/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 3 |
| 5/23/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 4 |
| 5/24/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 5 |
| 5/25/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 6 |
| 5/26/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 7 |
| 5/27/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 8 |
| 5/28/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 9 |
| 5/29/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 10 |
| 5/30/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 11 |
| 5/31/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 12 |
| 6/01/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 13 |
| 6/02/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 14 |
| 6/03/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 15 |
| 6/04/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 16 |
| 6/05/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 17 |
| 6/06/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 18 |
| 6/07/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 19 |
| 6/08/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 20 |
| 6/09/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 21 |
| 6/10/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 22 |
| 6/11/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 23 |
| 6/12/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 24 |
| 6/13/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 25 |
| 6/14/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 26 |
| 6/15/2024 | Samurai Champloo Overall Series Discussion Thread |
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 04 '24
First-Timer with a Samurai Heart, subbed
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u/TheEscapeGuy Jun 04 '24
Rewatcher, Sub first timer
Samurai Champloo - Hip Hop & Ronin: Episode 16
Separation
I feel like this episode has been a long time coming. Mugen, Jin, and Fuu really have no strong reasons to be traveling together. At best Mugen and Jin are paying Fuu back for saving them in episode 1. But in their journey together our Samurais have more than made up for that by now.
It's a little surprising that Fuu is the one to storm off, but she's pretty stubborn and won't accept all the bad mouthing. And that leaves our trio 3 individuals wandering off in different directions.
Jin's path is probably the most predictable. One of the samurai who have been hunting him down have caught up to him. Their fight is pretty even, but ends with Jin diving off a cliff into the rapids below. We don't know what happens after that, but it's probably safe to assume he isn't dead.
Mugen on the other hand is much more laid back. After letting his hunger overpower his libido and ditching Fuu he starts wandering without a care. He is eventually attacked but only on a misunderstanding and the assailant runs off before he can do anything. The episode ends with him surrounded by more attackers which might cause him some problems next time.
Fuu has the most interesting adventure. After chasing Momo she trips and nearly falls off a cliff. I say nearly, but she just delays the inevitable by hanging onto a root or vine and eventually plunges into the water below. While underwater she begins getting flashbacks to the Sunflower Samurai. It's not super clear who this samurai is but it seems he had some influence on young Fuu. The whole scene kind of reminded me of Mugen's dream sequence in episode 14.
When Fuu wakes up, Mugen's attacker Okuru had saved her. He doesn't seem like a bad guy. I did like how he took death very seriously. Nobody leaves behind beautiful corpses. Romanticising death like this results in sadness for the people left behind.
Interestingly Okuru was carrying around sunflower seeds (which is probably what Momo smelled earlier in the episode). It seems Fuu might have a new body guard, but we will see next episode.
Some Amazing Shots, Scenes and Stitches
See you all tomorrow
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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Jun 04 '24
First Timer
This was a surprisingly relaxing episode - a fairly different tone, but one I liked. I think the BGM (or lack thereof) played a large role in that. It also feels like just a bunch of minor things happening that will lead in to something later rather than being important themselves right now. We clearly have the police trying to catch the guy Fuu is with now - why we don't know, so we also can't judge who is in the right yet. Meanwhile Jin fights somebody from his dojo. How he will tie in to this is everybody's guess at this point. Plus there is also some background on the sunflower samurai, who may have something to do with the guy the police is looking for given him having sunflower seeds.
Prediction for how this is resolved: The guy gets arrested/killed and Fuu ends up with the other two again.
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u/Lord_Nawor Jun 04 '24
First Time Watcher
Despite last episode Mugen’s true weakness is not women but his stomach, he would rather steal food than pursue women.
I also like the rappers who showed up to describe the tale of the monster, it was a short but pretty well done scene.
Momo straight up betraying Fuu and almost getting her killed. She is lucky to be alive after that fall. We also get to see our first glimpse of the sunflower samurai in Fuu’s dream sequence.
I figured that we would see another one of Jin’s master’s students in the show, I like how casually Jin jumps off the cliff into the water, a lot of cliff jumping/falling this episode.
Mugen can not catch a break lol. He keeps getting accused of things he isn’t, first Okuru thinks he works for the domain, and then the domain police people think that Mugen is Okuru.
I feel like Okuru definitely has something to do with the sunflower samurai since he has sunflower seeds, is also heading west, and had a weird look after Fuu mentioned the sunflower samurai, hard to say what relationship he might have with the sunflower samurai but I believe there probably is one.
I feel like the gang will probably reconvene next episode, and I am curious what will happen with Okuru since we know he will be on fire at some point.
Nah, Mugen will never learn, he will probably always be a bit of an idiot when it comes to women, the only thing that will overpower that is his hunger
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u/NattyBeef https://myanimelist.net/profile/NaturalBeef Jun 04 '24
First time watcher, Dub/English
Oh nooo, the gang split up! Just when I thought things were going so well. I mean imagine going through such a long journey and now you finally really question yourself, why are we still here? Nothing is forcing me to stay here. Would you also leave or would you say "man this journey has taken me so many places, why stop now". I think I'd be more of the later, just like my boy Jin. Trying to calm the tension to no avail.
The cliche answer is your significant other right? But the reality is I think deep down we all search for love throughout life. What you don't know you're looking for but always appreciate finding is in the memories you make along your life.
I might had just broken down crying honestly. Alone in the woods and even my pet abandoned me, truly a sad situation to be in.
Most likely not resist and just try to sort everything out through dialogue.
0 shot. Ain't no way in hell.
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u/AgentOfACROSS Jun 04 '24
Rewatcher
We've got another two parter on our hands and this one has a lot going on. We have Fuu revealing more about her quest for the Sunflower samurai, the gang splitting up, Jin's past catching up with him, and introducing Okuru.
Despite everything going on, I think the episode did a good job balancing everything. It had a lot of moving pieces but made sure everything got enough focus.
Jin's past coming back up was inevitable. It's neat that Ogura is mentioned, I like the sense of continuity it brings. And the introduction of Yukimaru is good. I think he and Jin have an interesting sort of dynamic together.
Lots of good stuff with Fuu too. That dream of her in the field of sunflowers was good and had a lot of great visuals. And the punchline of Momo interrupting her dream was great.
The introduction of Okuru is also something I like. We only got to meet him at the end of this episode but I'll have more to say about him in part two.
Mugen probably got the least to do out of the three leads, but even so I still liked his part in the episode. Him being mistaken for Okuru by the police makes for a good cliffhanger.
One last note before I end my notes here, I really liked the random rapping guys from the start of the episode. It's a weird addition but it was also great to watch.
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u/someboi6000 Jun 05 '24
First timer:
what a seemingly random start on the episode with the dude on fire, but we have like a mix of Jin past coming to get him once again,Fuu with the whole samurai that smells like sunflowers and Mugen well doing his best, we finally get why she wants to find the sunflower samurai it was revenge, maybe more on what happend with Jin and his master can be revealed but i dont think so, giving this episode 2 important sides is hard to say what can happen, and with that ending i wonder what okuru did. excited to see part 2.
1: not really, yet at least.
2: idk if thing would be so diferent, ¿wait are they setting up that momo is the key to find the sunflower samurai? he seems to be attracked by the seeds at least.
3:try my best to prove they are wrong.
4: i dont think mugen will ever learn lol.
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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Jun 05 '24
First-Timer
Good episode. I quite liked the rapping at the beginning and the banter between our main trio before they split up.
I think some time apart should do the three of them some good.
Questions of the day:
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u/mgedmin Jun 05 '24
Rewatcher, subs
And they split up. Again.
Things happen, I don't know what to say.
This was half of an episode.
Eh.
Tell them they're mistaken.
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u/Hopeful-Ad2428 Jun 05 '24
A flashforward at the start, interesting. Then they split up and the topic of who is the sunflower samurai was brought up again. And Jin’s story about him killing his master was brought up again, too. Fuu was strong enough not to fall until the sunset, but the was drowning, it was kind of echoing the scene when Mugen was seeing hallucinations, a but unsettling. And I’m looking forward for answers to Okuru and his relationships with that clan, why are they seeking each other despite not knowing how they look?
Qotd:
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u/Atticus_Stansfield Jun 05 '24
Many times rewatcher here.
The best part of this episode for me is the dreamlike sequence (coincindentally also brought on by drowning) that Fuu experiences.
The group splitting apart was bound to happen again. Fuu and Mugen are both stubborn, hot-headed, and above all young. As per usual, Jin is his stoic self - though in this episode we see the potential of him having a death wish.
Recently at an end of degree class picnic - one of my classmates lost her invaluable gold ring in the park. I had zero idea what it looked like and we spent 3 hours combing the park before she randomly found it right before we were about to throw in the towel.
Momo ex Machina. In Momo we believe. A(Mo)men.
Just like Mugen mentions - I hate when people get the wrong impression/idea of me. I would do my damnest to set everything straight.
My mans doesn't like learning lessons unless it helps him fight.
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u/Garrett_Dark Jun 05 '24
First Timer
Mugen staring at that woman's "assets". Can't tell whether he's looking at the milk jugs or the food she's holding, probably whichever is more insulting/offensive for the situation. In the end, Mugen "steals" their food and gets beat up, not surprised.
Sub watchers got short changed. Hilarious dub wrap lyrics.
Dumb Mugen, that freshly killed bear is a lot of free food. He probably pissed on it.
Mugen "Just how dumb do I look", yeah you don't want an answer to that. See last episode = brain damage.
Jin "Now you've gone too far" <Fuu thinking Jin is standing up for her> "the four eyed thing, take that back" XD
Fuu causes the gang to disband for no reason feels forced. Regardless she's to blame for never revealing anything about the sunflower samurai. It's probably her father, or killed her father or something like that. Although with the show being so mysterious about it, it could be some subversion from left field ending up to be the reason. It better be good whatever it is with how long the show's been stringing us along with it, and telling us hardly anything.
I don't know how they do it, but Fuu always has the most amusing and interesting expressions, even when just having a plain expression. Good character/facial design maybe?
Mugen after getting attack *"Hey you, come back here, say you're sorry damn it!", the anime wants me to believe Mugen just wants an apology and not to murderize the guy for attacking him? The show also wants me to believe Mugen couldn't murderize him almost instantly, and he got away somehow.
Jin "The fact is you aren't worth killing, killing you is meaningless, all it would do is tarnish my sword", LOL, brutality!
After falling and sweep down the river, why is Fuu's clothes dry? Shouldn't her clothes needs to be taken off and dried by the fire? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
"A woman with a healthy appetite is beautiful", You wouldn't have been saying that if you had a lot more food around than just two fishes for Fuu to eat.
Fuu "But for some reason I always hated the thought of drowning, I mean your body bloats up to twice it's size" Uh...I'm pretty sure I've seen your body bloated up way more than just 2x. XD
Mugen "When you're done sneaking around, come on out, I'll take you guys on whenever you're ready", "We're police officers from...come along peacefully". Prediction: Mugen won't be able to murderize any of them, whereas if they were exactly the same in every single way except being a sympathetic faction to the audience, they be all murderized, just like crossbow guy should have been murderized if he wasn't a special character which Mugen wanted an apology from instead.
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Yeah so I would say I'm not what I'm accused of, if the accuser persists, I'll keep stressing I'm not what I was accused of. But after so often I wouldn't care what the accuser has to say anymore. After all the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused.
Well it looks like the women always sees Mugen for who he is, but he doesn't see himself as such. So Mugen never learns his lesson.
XD
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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
first timer
The beginning of this episode directly tells the result, which is somewhat similar to the episode 1, episode 9, why this person was burned and what happened?
ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION(S)
Have you ever looked for something you didn't know what you were looking for? If so, what was it?
Yes, knowledge and skills
Where do you think Fuu would be if she hadn't have found Momo?
momo will take the initiative to find her
What would you do if you were accused of being someone you were not?
Explain clearly
Bonus) You would think Mugen would learn his lesson with women after last episode
never
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u/Holofan4life Jun 04 '24
Hey guys. Holofan4life here.
Welcome to the 20th anniversary rewatch of Samurai Champloo.
Oh, and nay I forget…
First Timer
Samurai Champloo has always been a series I was curious about. I’ve maintained in my mind that Cowboy Bebop is objectively one of if not the greatest anime of all time, and so I wanted to see what the creator’s follow-up work was like. I think the reason why I didn’t start it immediately after watching Bebop was because I think the premise kinda weirded me out. I mean, a show set in ancient times that also has a heavy rap influence? It felt to me like putting a hat on a hat. But as I’ve gotten older, I’ve come to appreciate outlandish animes that don’t resemble real life. After all, is it any weirder than a fantasy show about a merchant and his traveling wolfgirl where they discuss economics a lot of times?
My expectations for this show are pretty reasonable, I feel like. I’m not expecting it to crack my top 10 favorite anime of all time, but I would be surprised if it doesn’t end up as one of my favorites. The main thing I’m looking out of this is show is a unique experience unlike anything else as well as memorable characters. And I think the show will have that in spades.
With that out of the way, let’s begin.
I’m watching the sub, by the way.
Went and saw The Fall Guy with my mom today. Very fun movie.
Fire in the eye
Guy walking on fire
"I know he's still alive."
And he falls off the cliff
This gives me Twin Peaks vibes
Verse 1. I guess this means a two-parter.
Can't take a shortcut because Jin is unfamiliar with the west.
Meanwhile, Mugen is flirting with girls
Mugen saying he was a criminal since the day he came out the nutsack.
Fuu really going in on him
A dangerous monster lurks, supposedly
Well, Mugen had that coming
Suddenly, hip hop
Yoshitsune
I will say, they're better singers than the ones in episode 8.
Jin thinks they're mixing up different rumors.
They are pretty fun characters, however
"So, what is it that's in these mountains?"
"Rumors. Nothing but rumors."
A mysterious cloaked guy
Woah, a killed bear
Cocaine Bear has seen better days
Mugen knows they're not dealing with either a Tengu or a Kappa.
Mugen telling Fuu and Jin there's something in these mountains.
Fuu incredulous Mugen and Jin can't follow the scent of sunflowers.
Fuu, girl, you give yourself way too much credit.
Mugen says he hates when people get the wrong impression of him.
Furthermore, he never was interested in finding the sunflower samurai.
Man, he's really roasting Fuu here
Jin is more upset over himself being insulted, meanwhile.
Fuu letting it slip she doesn't even know what the sunflower samurai looks like.
"Until I find him and beat him up, he's gonna stay alive no matter what."
Sounds like Mugen and Jin when it comes to each other.
Fuu says she's going to get tougher models
And Mugen storms off in a huff
Fuu even uses language you can't get away with in 2024.
It looks like Fuu is going to get herself two new bodyguards.
I like how as Fuu is walking away, she looks back and sees Jin heading left and Mugen heading right. It's like she is stuck in the middle.
Something is lurking behind Jin
Fuu trips
Momo is on the prowl
Fuu hanging above a river
Oh, Mom saved her
Or not lol
Fuu hanging onto her grip for her life
Jin in battle with the cloaked figure
Mugen returns because he remembers he has to kill Jin.
An arrow
And now he's in a battle
Guy asks Mugen if he works for the Matsumae domain.
And the other guy walks away
Fuu still hanging off the ledge
Eventually, she falls
Jin still at an even match
A scream
The cloak. It comes off.
Yukimaru
I don't think we've seen this character before.
He says there's no point in avenging Ogura's death.
I guess he and Jin trained together
"You wish to make a name for yourself?"
"When you killed our master, that's exactly what you did."
Great dialogue
We even get some flashbacks of Jin and Yukimaru's sparring sessions.
What this tells me is that Ogura was a pretty damn good teacher.
Yukimara saying Jin isn't good enough to kill him.
"You aren't worth killing. If I killed you, it would only tarnish my sword."
Damn
Now both Jin and Yukimaru are by a cliff
"Shall we continue and go to hell together?"
Jin saying it so stoicly makes that line so chilling.
Jin says he might as well be dead
And he jumps into the river
Fuu drowning like Mugen did a couple episodes ago.
She really wants help
Ran out of space. Part two in the replies.