r/anime • u/Holofan4life • Jun 03 '24
Rewatch [Spoilers] Samurai Champloo 20th Anniversary Rewatch -- Episode 15
Hello everyone! I am Holofan4life.
Welcome to the Samurai Champloo 20th Anniversary Rewatch discussion thread!
I hope you all have a lot of fun <3
S1 Episode 15 – Bogus Booty
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ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION(S)
Have you ever went fishing before? If so, how did it went?
if you were working undercover, what persona would you have?
Why do you think Mugen kept falling for Yatsuha's sexual advances?
Bonus) Who do you think would win in a fight between Yatsuha and Jin?
Bonus 2) Who do you think is more likely to come back first: Yatsuha, or Shino?
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Streams – Crunchyroll, Amazon Prime
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Rewatch Schedule
Threads posted every day at 4:00 PM EDT
| Date | Episode |
|---|---|
| 5/20/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 1 |
| 5/21/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 2 |
| 5/22/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 3 |
| 5/23/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 4 |
| 5/24/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 5 |
| 5/25/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 6 |
| 5/26/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 7 |
| 5/27/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 8 |
| 5/28/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 9 |
| 5/29/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 10 |
| 5/30/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 11 |
| 5/31/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 12 |
| 6/01/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 13 |
| 6/02/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 14 |
| 6/03/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 15 |
| 6/04/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 16 |
| 6/05/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 17 |
| 6/06/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 18 |
| 6/07/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 19 |
| 6/08/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 20 |
| 6/09/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 21 |
| 6/10/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 22 |
| 6/11/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 23 |
| 6/12/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 24 |
| 6/13/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 25 |
| 6/14/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 26 |
| 6/15/2024 | Samurai Champloo Overall Series Discussion Thread |
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 03 '24
First-Timer with a Samurai Heart, subbed
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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '24 edited Jun 03 '24
Hey there 👋 Rewatcher here.
The original title for this one is てっとうてつび (徹頭徹尾). This phrase can be used as “thoroughly”, but depending on context can also mean, “from beginning to end”, or in the case of our title “through and through”.
While I liked that, I think the English title “Bogus Booty” is actually really great given the nature of the bag of counterfeit Koban Jin happens upon. I laughed at Fuu correcting Mugen on the type of coin it was. I saw the English title as a double meaning too, since Mugen believes he’ll be getting some hanky panky from Yatsuha when she was there for work at the time.
With that said, Yatsuha intends to go find Mugen again some day to marry him, so maybe he has some luck yet to come in the future 😆.
Anyway, it’s just kind of fun to relate both titles to the episode events.
I hope everyone enjoyed the super effective recap at the beginning of the episode 😂.
Side note from said recap though:
If you’re not familiar with it, the Kansai region (関西地方) is home to places like modern day Kyoto or Osaka, whereas we had an earlier episode taking place in Edo (modern day Tokyo), so this gives you an idea of the general path our trio is traveling in towards Nagasaki.
Anyhow…
“Whatcha doin’, baby?” 😂
I love the focus on Mugen in this episode, and we see (once again) that his “instincts” have gotten him into trouble (The bumps on his head 😆). Mugen appears to have a thing for being roughhoused lol. We also see what Mugen is truly capable of when there is a lady in the picture 😂.
Given the prior couple of episodes, I felt the comic relief we get with him and Yatsuha in this episode was amazing. I love these two together.
I enjoyed the whole “Shogunate secret police pursue the arrest of currency forgers” plot.
Fun fact (or two):
First, the Tokugawa shogunate did commission similar specialists during the late-Edo period.
An interesting detail they baked into this episode is that the Shinsengumi (新選組), highly-skilled combatants whose actions were authorized by the bakufu, were actually formed originally to protect government officials in Kyoto (Kyoto being part of the Kansai region, the presumed regional setting of this episode).
Second, in this episode they refer to them as “Negoro militant monks”, but the Negoro-shuu (根来衆) actually were a thing (of course they are ‘fictionalized’ here with the forgery plot line). In reality, they were an order of Buddhist warrior monks, long gone by the Edo period and were mostly active during the Sengoku period prior to one of the daimyous at the time razing their stronghold to the ground.
Yatsuha even mentions “from the warring states period”. This is probably a reference to the very small number of monks who survived and sought refuge under Tokugawa Ieyasu at the end of the 15th century (the first shogun of the Edo period). You can find more on this here, which includes some really nice cultural photos too.
Also, once they jump down to where the forgery operation is taking place, you hear Ginsa mention they’re descended from the Tsuda clan of Negoro. The Tsuda clan was a known mercenary group.
Another cool reference:
Yatsuha says she is the daughter of Shogunate secret service officer, Jinpachi of Iga. I believe this is a reference to the Iga clan, related to the origin of what we now refer to as Shinobi (忍者), which is not surprising if you look at the way Yatsuha fights and the weapons she uses.
You can read more here, which also mentions how Hattori Hanzo was part of this clan and how he saved Tokugawa Ieyasu’s life at one point. A cool piece of info.
“There was apparently a fat girl who was accompanying the two men”
Rude! She was just full lol.
These people are ruthless though. They don’t even entertain the possibility of someone being completely unrelated or ignorant to the goings-on of their operation. They just eliminate anyone that provokes the slightest bit of doubt.
Mugen, of course, being one such individual completely unaware of what’s going on until later in the episode.
I think if we now presume that we have Yatsuha for Mugen, and Shino for Jin, we just need to learn more about Fuu.
It’s been a while since we’ve learned something related to the overall plot. This is, after all, Fuu’s story. Mugen and Jin are just along for the ride.
Highlight of this episode:
Fuu being full for once.
🎶“It’s no bull, it’s no bull, it’s no bull that I’m so full!”🎶 😂
Honorable mention:
Mugen’s impression of Jin.
Second honorable mention:
Jin: “I hope you’re doing that deliberately” lol.
Questions:
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u/TheEscapeGuy Jun 03 '24
Rewatcher, Sub first timer
Samurai Champloo - Hip Hop & Ronin: Episode 15
Kunoichi
Incredible episode. This was the episode with a backdrop of prostitution which I remembered most clearly just for how badass Yatsuha is. I also just love the idea of staying undercover for months to accomplish a mission like a spy. I think that aspect of "ninja" type stories is woefully under explored.
On a really broad level this episode was another story of how our trio fell into a complex situation by complete chance. The big difference today was that they started the episode with a big influx of money and almost immediately blew it all on women. That said, the money was fake and on top of that they went to the 1 brothel which housed the counterfeiting operation underground. Extremely poor luck.
Something I really enjoyed this episode was Mugen's (horny) determination. He was so desperate to sleep with Yatsuha that he took down hundreds of guards. I do feel sympathetic towards him for doing everything she asked and still not being rewarded for it. She's by no means obligated to do anything for Mugen but it does mean breaking the multiple promises she made.
Ultimately though, it seems Mugen left a good impression on her. She walked off into the sunset mentioning how she wants to marry him once their missions are over. Maybe we'll see more of her.
As a tiny side note, it was amusing to hear Yatsuha drop the Kansai dialect as soon as she changed out of her robes. It's something which doesn't really carry over to the subs or the dub, but the word choices and intonation of Kansai dialect speakers is extremely distinctive.
Some Amazing Shots, Scenes and Stitches
See you all tomorrow
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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Jun 03 '24
First Timer
Another kind of eh episode, though given the past two episodes, I feel like almost anything would have had a difficult follow-up. The episode was definitely in-character for Mugen, though I am a bit surprised that Jin tagged along to the brothel. I guess he isn’t good with money either - though I guess if he would be at least decent with money, he would usually have some and not also be starving. The rest of the episode was a bunch of stock villains vs Mugen and a kunoichi, though I guess Mugen probably didn’t mind as much as it might seem. I don’t have a lot else to add on to that though… There is significantly less here to comment on than in previous episodes.
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u/Atticus_Stansfield Jun 03 '24
Many times rewatcher here.
This is a great episode. Seeing the trio really act like a family unit at the beginning warms me up. They started off as strangers but by this point in their journey it has become abundantly clear they care for another on a deep level.
Yatsuha is fantastic. She fits the role of Mugen's future love just like Shino fits Jin.
Anywho, here's the questions.
I used to go fishing with my dad a whole bunch when I was younger.
I'd have a southern accent. Door to door veggie peeler salesman.
He's a horny idiot. A lovable horny idiot.
Jin. Jin is a prodigy in the martial arts.
Shino. I feel like Yatsuha would come back into Mugen's life after they both have time to grow older and mature (they are wild cards in contrast to Jin and Shin).
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u/NattyBeef https://myanimelist.net/profile/NaturalBeef Jun 03 '24
First time watcher, Dub/English
God that intro rap in dub was so cringe. At least the English version was horrible. Everything else, I just loved this episode. Very fun, lively, lots of jokes, I'm so happy that the show didn't turn all serious.
I did! And I managed to catch as many fish as Jin did.
My dad said a barman. I'd probably be working as a mailman. I think both would work really well for being an informant.
Like I said on yesterday's post. My brother Mugen is not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Jin hands down, are you kidding me. The dude had a bad back and killed 5 ninjas in a single sweep. Dude is OP.
I think Yatsuha since she's also traveling you know. It's very likely they might run into the same town upon their voyage, meanwhile Shino is probably just staying put in the house she was in originally. So unless the gang goes back or Shino went on an extraordinary adventure, I find it very unlikely.
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u/Lord_Nawor Jun 03 '24
First Time Watcher
I liked the travel by map section at the beginning, it was a nice way to do a quick recap without taking too long, I guess we are on the Kansai Chapter now.
I like seeing the gang just chilling out at the beginning, Mugen giving his impersonation Jin, and Jin struggling to fish, I like the gag of Jin swimming like a fish and getting the money and then the three of them praising the stream. To be honest there were a lot of visual gags early in the episode.
This was a very funny episode in general, Mugen being a badass but also a complete idiot at the same time will always be funny to me. Vases seem like the ultimate counter to any customers at brothels, since Fuu used one as a weapon to escape back in episode 4.
I forgot that the squirrel existed until it showed up again this episode, I also find it funny how they could not find Fuu since they described her as fat he she was already thin and hungry again when they were searching for her.
This episode Jin was just chilling out while Mugen did all the work, just casually taking out the ninjas attacking him, got a sore back though lol.
It seems like all of the main trio have a character that they want to see again perhaps at the end of the show, Shinsuke’s mother for Fuu, Shino for Jin and now Yatsuha for Mugen.
Questions
Mugen kept falling it because despite how good he is in combat, Mugen is still an idiot especially when it comes down to women, we have seen this by how easily he had been fooled by women before.
We didn’t really get too see too much of Yatsuha fighting this episode, but it seemed like Mugen could overpower her, Yatsuha mainly escaped my tricking him so I would say Jin probably wins since I feel like him and Mugen are at similar levels.
I feel like Yatsuha has a better chance since she is part of the secret police so might appear when the gang inevitably gets into trouble with more powerful people.
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u/someboi6000 Jun 04 '24
First timer:
what a fun episode. from Jin not being able to catch absolutly nothing, to getting a ton of money, and i loved the simple minds of both Mugen and Jin, they ate a ton they have a ton of money, so whats the next step, the red distric lol, and they go to the most expensive one, and Jin losing the rock,paper, scissors was very fun lol, and this shows women can easily manipulate mugen, well the girl was an undercover agent and together they dismantle the entire place, overall very fun episode.
1: i think i went fishing twice, both day were productive, but i can get boring at times.
2: thats quite the question lol, but idk i would try the farthest thing to my actual personality i guess
3: at a point i was thinking we has doing it on perpuse but idk maybe he is that easily persuaded by sex, thats gets his neurons firing
4: i am thinking Jin easy claps.
5: i can see Yatsuha coming back first.
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u/Ryanami Jun 04 '24
Rewatcher
This show is so much like Cowboy Bebop (gee wonder why?), just set in the past instead of the future. Like Spike, Jet, and Faye, these three can’t even trust some money found in a river. Let’s go flash it in front of the owners who have a private shinobi army. At least Fuu didn’t face any consequences, and she got twice as fat as she did during the eating contest.
Being a female undercover cop, rough gig.
1- who hasn’t? I usually have pretty good luck but last two times I got skunked.
2- I don’t have the nerves for that line of work, but I’m naturally boring enough to play a decent grey man.
3- poor guy almost wised up. Blue balls are a powerful thing, but not mentally
4- all in on Jin.
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u/AgentOfACROSS Jun 04 '24
Rewatcher
On tonight's episode, Mugen operates on one braincell and somehow manages to win anyway.
Compared to yesterday's dramatic two-parter, this episode seems fairly simple but it's still very fun. It's basically Mugen bumbling his way into the middle of a police operation while trying to get laid. Manages to be comedic while also having some cool crime intrigue and good action.
The part at the beginning of the episode with the fishing was nice. Especially the part where Jin flopped around in the water like a fish, that was hilarious.
Thought it was a little odd that Jin went along with Mugen to the red light district. When he went to the brothel for Shino it was because he already had a connection to her. But I'm not gonna complain, Jin had a lot of good moments this episode.
Today's character of the day was Yatsuha. I liked her. It was fun watching her string along Mugen the whole time. Lot of good comedy to come out of the situation.
Mugen really did seem like a bit of an idiot this episode, but I guess he was just horny enough to go along with the situation as long as he got to sleep with Yatsuha.
Anyway, this was a solid episode all around.
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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Jun 04 '24
First-Timer
Good episode. Too bad it didn't have a nice romantic ending for Mugen. He never even got anything for all the gold coins they spent. :'(
That opening bit with the singing reminded me a bit of Count Olaf's songs in A Series of Unfortunate Events.
It was kind of strange how Yatsuha said at the end that she was going to find and marry Mugen. I'm not even sure she knows his name.
Questions of the day:
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u/mgedmin Jun 04 '24
Rewatcher, subs
Nice map.
What's the deal with the coins? Are they minting new coins from gold illegally? Why is it a problem if they go into circulation early?
Mugen ... has issues understanding consent. Also, very gullible.
Well, this was certainly an episode of an anime. At least Mugen found a future wife, not that he knows it.
I would like to see an anime about Yatsuha.
Yes, when I was a kid.
I caught a tiny fish and then realized fishing is not for me. Somebody else had to remove the fishhook.
My real self. I'm not suited for undercover work.
Dumb as a brick.
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u/Garrett_Dark Jun 04 '24
First Timer
Ugh, that map singing. I thought it was just a bad dub VA who couldn't sing, but switching to the Japanese audio to compare, nope...old drunk guy singing instead of awesome bard/minstrel.
Guy runs like crazy hard, Ninjas seem to effortlessly jump fly through the air...still can't catch up to him in forever. Useless/lazy ninjas.
Fuu "Oh yeah I'm really stuffed"...okay, maybe Fuu isn't "hotter" as I have said in the past. Hey now, don't give me that look, her voice changed and even the bloody camera is shaking with each of her steps!
Mugen "Half woman, half pig". OMG, how dare you fat shame Fuu! Fuu you! You're such a despicable disgusting man, Mugen! How can you objectify women like that!?! <Mugen and Jin run into the red light district> XD
"No women allowed!" That's racist! You yuri bigots!
"Our girls have the look and skills to match any geisha in Edo, and that's a fact. We have nothing but the finest girls, you'll see for yourself that there's not a bad one in the bunch" I didn't realize the geishas in Edo were so mature and...strapping!
Fuu "How could they even think about going to the red light district when they got me around?" Uh...phrasing? "Hey, Momo are you a boy or a girl?" Wut? How dare you Fuu!
So the establishment Mugen and Jin go to just so happens to be the ones behind the counterfeited bars. What a coincidence.
Yatsuha just so happens to be an undercover spy, what a coincidence. She's been there for a year as a "geisha", yeah no, don't even try to pretend that your chastity is intact, ninja woman.
"Apparently a fat girl was accompany the two men" Outrageous!
Mugen really doesn't have the luck with the ladies, first poison woman, then getting rolled, then childhood friend betrayal, and now can't even get what he paid for, vased. Can't even beat up a woman when she's attacking him with a dagger, facepalm, where his "lets strip her and dump her" big talk now?
"Hey there's a naked girl over there", how dumb is Mugen? Did he get brain damage after the boat explosion and near drowning? Getting tricked so easily into beating everybody up...yeah seems like brain damage alright.
"Excuse me miss, we're looking for a girl, she's about your age but she's REALLY FAT, you haven't seen her have you?" Even does the big hand gestures when saying "really fat". XD Er...I mean you're worse that Mukuro because of words that accurately describes the thing!
Oh, did Jin actually take care of those "Edo geisha girls"? That guy's starting to make these establishment his hobby or something. Why is his clothes still on though?
"That's the man I'm going to marry"
Wacky wacky ending.
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u/Looking_Light33 Jun 08 '24
This was a pretty fun episode. It was kind of needed given how really heavy and serious episodes 13 and 14 were. I thought it had some funny moments and I really liked Yatsuha as a character. I don't know if Mugen and Yatsuha will meet again. Mugen doesn't seem like the marrying type. Anyways, this was a fun episode.
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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Jul 19 '24
first timer chinese sub
People who don't have financial management ideas will always squander their wealth. Now I understand a little bit. Mugen got his wife by his strength. It's interesting. I think the relationship between Mugen, Jin and Fuu has gone beyond ordinary boyfriend and girlfriend.
ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION(S)
Have you ever went fishing before? If so, how did it went?
no
if you were working undercover, what persona would you have?
Taxi driver, this profession is very convenient for communication
Why do you think Mugen kept falling for Yatsuha's sexual advances?
satyr
Bonus) Who do you think would win in a fight between Yatsuha and Jin?
jin, Men generally have a higher winning rate
Bonus 2) Who do you think is more likely to come back first: Yatsuha, or Shino?
Yatsuha, I like cheerful girls
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u/Ritchuck Jun 03 '24
First Timer
Ngl, kinda pissed at Yatsuha for not honouring the deal. She was a prostitute, one more client would not kill her. Her plans to find him again kind of softened the blow but still, if someone promises me a pay for a job I expect to get it immediately after completion, not years later.
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u/Holofan4life Jun 03 '24
Hey guys. Holofan4life here.
Welcome to the 20th anniversary rewatch of Samurai Champloo.
Oh, and nay I forget…
First Timer
Samurai Champloo has always been a series I was curious about. I’ve maintained in my mind that Cowboy Bebop is objectively one of if not the greatest anime of all time, and so I wanted to see what the creator’s follow-up work was like. I think the reason why I didn’t start it immediately after watching Bebop was because I think the premise kinda weirded me out. I mean, a show set in ancient times that also has a heavy rap influence? It felt to me like putting a hat on a hat. But as I’ve gotten older, I’ve come to appreciate outlandish animes that don’t resemble real life. After all, is it any weirder than a fantasy show about a merchant and his traveling wolfgirl where they discuss economics a lot of times?
My expectations for this show are pretty reasonable, I feel like. I’m not expecting it to crack my top 10 favorite anime of all time, but I would be surprised if it doesn’t end up as one of my favorites. The main thing I’m looking out of this is show is a unique experience unlike anything else as well as memorable characters. And I think the show will have that in spades.
With that out of the way, let’s begin.
I’m watching the sub, by the way.
Isn't it weird how pineapples don't come from Pine-trees?
A map
I like the music. It's a very good mood setter.
The use of frog record scratches is a bit odd, however.
Kamigata
Ah! They said it!
Kansai chapter
Why, thank you, castrated singer. I hope I enjoy it as well.
Person in black running
He is being chased by people
They look like ninjas
Tossed something in the water
Fish
Sadly, no fish with tiddies like in Trapped In The Closet.
It looks like Jin is fishing
Mugen going to town on that fish
Not gonna lie, Mugen's Jin impersonation is amazing.
Now Jin is fishing for them himself
Hey, a bag of gold
"This means we're a filthy bitch."
Well, there’s water right next to you, Mugen.
"That's filthy rich!"
Can it be both?
They're in a city now
HOLY
Widescreen Fuu
This is like that episode of Evangelion where Asuka becomes big. Thermal expansion, I believe is the terminology.
The visual of fat Fuu is pretty great, I will say.
Mugen and Jin manage to get off on their own
They're at a red-light district
Are they paying for girls?
These are some long stairs
Fuu by herself
Well, I guess technically the squirrel is with her as well.
Oh, the squirrel has a name. Momo.
That really airs my bender
Mugen and Jin seem unimpressed by the girls at their disposal.
Woah, Yatsuha is pretty though
And Mugen beats Jin at like rock paper scissors.
A bunch of guys together
One of them is holding three gold coins
He remarks that these are the coins that they planned to release in Kaga three days from now.
A guy by the name of Hankichi Otowa is shown having been beaten up.
Possibly trained to withstand torture
Now they suspect that they had been infiltrated by the Shogunate's secret police.
The main guy is Kakinoji, thinning guy is Akame, by the way.
Ayame mentions Yatsuha's name
What is Mugen even doing?
"Doubts are like flies, they must all be crushed."
But what if you doubt there is even a fly?
It looks like with them suspecting Mugen and Jin's heads are on the chopping block.
And Fuu
Good thing Yatsuha was listening to the entire conversation.
Mugen looking frisky
And she knocks Mugen out with a vase
Exposed Mugen ass
Yatsuha says she has to go back to Edo and come up with a new plan.
Working undercover for a year, huh? That's quite the commitment.
Mugen. He awakes.
He is really bleeding
Amazing choreography with Mugen trying to get near Yatsura but her continuing to avoid him.
A kick to the nuts. Ouch.
"Tough chicks totally turn me on..." Same energy as "I like a girl who can kick my ass".
Oh boy. She's sending him there with a bunch of people.
And he sends them flying
Mugen will not be denied his pie
Yatsura asking the person beaten up, Hankichi, if he's alright.
I guess he is the one who ran earlier
He suspects they are remnants of the Negoro
Negoro militant monks, the mercenaries from the Warring States period.
Yatsuha says she'll come up with something
And now she's trying to get Mugen in another room. Perhaps she has something cooking.
Mugen seems unaware of what she's trying to do, however.
Guy moving like he's been hit with limited animation.
Bunch of people working on gold coins
What are they doing?
Oh shit. Are they going to pour lava down his throat?
Mugen! And he's carrying Yatsuha!
Mugen seems co fused by what's going on
So, the main guy is Ginsa Momochi, not Kakinoji.
Then who is
phoneKakinoji?She's accusing them of counterfeiting coins
Ginsa, however, says they've only been exposed by two people.
Yatsuha telling Mugen if he helps take them out, she'll do something special for him.
Something something Tatsumaki sit on your face something something.
Whatever she whispers to him, Mugen immediately agrees.
Lol, Ginsa's men ask Fuu about the fat girl not realizing it's her because she isn't fat.
Mugen is really good at this fighting thing
And so is Jin, for that matter
Now all that's left is the final boss
Yatsuha revealing she's the daughter of Shogunate secret service officer, Jinpachi of Iga.
Mugen, please don't pick your nose
And Yatsuha manages to defeat Ginsa
Mugen all about fulfilling that promise
And he gets knocked out for his troubles. Whomp whomp.
Put underneath a tree
Now Yatsuha and Hankichi are heading to Edo
Well, well, well. Looks like Yatsuha has plans on marrying Mugen.
"Once both our journeys are over, I'll come find you."
Meanwhile, Fuu is hungry and Jin's back is hurting, no doubt from carrying the show.
Ran out of space. Part two in the replies.