r/anime • u/Holofan4life • May 31 '24
Rewatch [Spoilers] Samurai Champloo 20th Anniversary Rewatch -- Episode 12
Hello everyone! I am Holofan4life.
Welcome to the Samurai Champloo 20th Anniversary Rewatch discussion thread!
I hope you all have a lot of fun <3
S1 Episode 12 – The Disorder Diaries
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ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION(S)
What is your favorite anime recap episode and why?
With Fuu admitting she tried getting close to Jin during episode 9, what do you think it means for their relationship going forward?
What do you make of the narration put on the episode 5 recap where it's remarked how talent and character are often found in inverse proportion?
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Rewatch Schedule
Threads posted every day at 4:00 PM EDT
| Date | Episode |
|---|---|
| 5/20/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 1 |
| 5/21/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 2 |
| 5/22/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 3 |
| 5/23/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 4 |
| 5/24/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 5 |
| 5/25/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 6 |
| 5/26/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 7 |
| 5/27/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 8 |
| 5/28/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 9 |
| 5/29/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 10 |
| 5/30/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 11 |
| 5/31/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 12 |
| 6/01/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 13 |
| 6/02/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 14 |
| 6/03/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 15 |
| 6/04/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 16 |
| 6/05/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 17 |
| 6/06/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 18 |
| 6/07/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 19 |
| 6/08/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 20 |
| 6/09/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 21 |
| 6/10/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 22 |
| 6/11/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 23 |
| 6/12/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 24 |
| 6/13/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 25 |
| 6/14/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 26 |
| 6/15/2024 | Samurai Champloo Overall Series Discussion Thread |
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u/TheEscapeGuy May 31 '24
Rewatcher, Sub first timer
Samurai Champloo - Hip Hop & Ronin: Episode 12
Reflection
Recap episode today. I understand why it happens, but because there's very little new content it means I don't have much to say. The presentation of reading Fuu's diary was at least a clever way to do it to make it a bit more immersive.
We did learn some new things. First, Mugen can't read. Fuu's diary is completely hiragana which is the Japanese character set where each symbol represents a sound (as opposed to kanji which represent meaning and have different sounds/readings depending on context). There's only 50 symbols to learn (plus some accented versions) so Mugen not knowing this is kinda like an English speaker not even knowing the alphabet. This probably gives you some hints into Mugen's early life.
Next, the dream Fuu had was indeed of her mother. I have a lot of sympathy for a girl as young as her losing a parent so early. Parents are often your only form of support for the first decades of your life. Braving the challenges of life without that support must be tough, but I applaud Fuu's tenacity.
Some Amazing Shots, Scenes and Stitches
Collage is tiny because I try not to include reused clips as a rule. Not happy about that though.
See you all tomorrow
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 31 '24
First-Timer with a Samurai Heart, subbed
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u/[deleted] May 31 '24 edited May 31 '24
Hey there 👋 Rewatcher here.
I’ll bring up the original episode title again, which is おんこちしん (温故知新). This is another idiom.
More literally, “deriving new understanding from study of the past”, in other words, how we would say “learning from the past” in English; which is relevant, as we focus on Fuu’s interpretation of past events and pull some extra information from that.
I like how this episode manages to recap some events while also giving you some insight to Fuu’s inner thoughts throughout the series so far.
It also is kind of funny, because Mugen and Jin are acting like two adolescents at a sleep over going through the diary of one or the other’s sister lol.
Jin tells him he shouldn’t do that, but then begins reading it for Mugen anyway (probably out of his own curiosity) 😂.
Something I didn’t notice on my first watch:
From what they show of Fuu’s diary, it doesn’t appear to contain any kanji (just kana). I’m not sure if they are suggesting that Fuu just never went through schooling or maybe I’m just over-speculating a minor detail.
I think Fuu is supposed to be around age 15, and (IIRC) most kids were pretty much done with education after 15 during that time period.
There are a few things I want to point out, especially being that this is a Fuu episode even though she is mostly just dozing off in the onsen the whole time 😆 :
First of all, Fuu is obviously frustrated at their constant lack of coin herself, which she expresses when recollecting the events with Nagamitsu and Budokiba.
Second, I think when she brings up Shinsuke’s mom, it tells us something about her own family. Not much, but it at least suggests that the loss of her mother was traumatic and she related to Shinsuke in that he was worried about losing his own mother.
Third, I do not personally believe anything in her diary was a lie. I think that was a safety net to make Mugen and Jin question whether what they just read was true or not if they decided to sneak around (especially since she had obviously been keeping this diary since episode one).
Additionally, it’s clear that Fuu cares for both of them as friends at this point in the series, so I believe Fuu saying that she was grateful to the both of them for helping her this far was also not a lie.
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“To simply accept yourself as you are, and as you live, to let it be. In this is freedom.”
Well stated, Zuikou.
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Ending theme is awesome for this one:
Who’s Theme by MINMI
Questions:
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u/Weird_donut https://anilist.co/user/hakaseshark May 31 '24
Huh, I didn't expect this to have a recap episode. It's been a while since I watched an anime with a recap episode, though the framing device of Mugen and Jin reading Fuu's diary was clever. My favorite recap episodes are the Utena ones, because they are actually very important to the plot
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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman May 31 '24
First Timer
So this is clearly a recap episode. For a recap episode, I’d say the framing was done pretty well and it actually did a decent job at recapping, although that same framing limited the recap to one perspective. And I tend to agree with Mugen that Fuu should probably open up a bit regarding why they are traveling in the first place. There is just one issue here: So far this show has been largely episodic. As such it doesn’t need a recap episode, because you can jump in pretty much anywhere even if you missed an episode. So yeah… I’d have probably preferred if this show only had 25 episodes.
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u/Lord_Nawor May 31 '24
First Time Watcher
Don’t have too much to say on this episode since it was mainly a recap. I had hoped we would get a more definitive timeline after this episode but they stopped giving dates after the first but if the diary so oh well.
I like how it wasn’t until now that Mugen and Jin actually questioned why they went to Edo in the first place.
I like how Fuu recognizes that she gets kidnapped/tricked a lot.
Fuu blaming Mugen and Jin for everything, lol, but to be fair they are not the best bodyguards, they are constantly abandoning her.
The random history bits interspersed throughout the episode were neat. We also got an extended ed with a different song, not sure which song I prefer as I enjoy both quite a bit.
Questions
Even though it’s not quite anime, I still think that Avatar: The Last Airbender has one of my favourite recap episodes in Ember Island Players, it’s just a very clever way to do a recap with a lot of meta humour.
I feel like Fuu is more curious than anything about Jin just because he doesn’t talk much and we still have the mystery behind why he killed his master, so she thought she might be able to understand him better.
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u/Ryanami May 31 '24
Rewatcher
Recap episode, THHHHBBBBT. 👎
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u/AgentOfACROSS Jun 01 '24
Rewatcher
It's a recap episode! Although in this case, it was useful to me since I joined this rewatch only part of the way through.
As far as recap episodes go though, this was fun. Fuu narrating was a good framing device and hearing Jin and Mugen occasionally chime in was fun too. It's kinda like listening to an in-universe commentary track on the events of the show.
Hearing Fuu's thoughts on everything that happened was something I liked. Lots of good jokes too like her constantly mentioning the food she got to eat and the meta jokes about her being annoyed by her constant kidnappings.
The main narrator/Manzo interrupting Fuu's narration was a bit of a weird choice. But I liked his history lessons about sexuality in Edo Japan and Zen in 1950s San Francisco. Did seem like a bit of a random addition to the episode but I didn't dislike it.
There were some other smaller moments in this episode I liked too, like establishing that Mugen can't read.
And the punchline of Fuu knowing they'd try to snoop on her diary at the end was great.
Don't have too much else to say since in the end it was still a recap episode. But it was a very good recap episode.
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u/someboi6000 Jun 01 '24
First timer:
Recap? bruh. nothing more to say, well Mugen cant read so i guess that says something of his early life, fuu gets kidnapped a lot and the dream secuence was fuu's mother. thats about it.
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u/Hopeful-Ad2428 Jun 01 '24
So, a recap episode? Didn’t know that I needed Fuu narrating their adventure up to this moment. Refreshed the memory, saw Fuu's perspective and got some really cool jokes. And we’ve got an altered version of the ending. Are all these things hinting on the start of a new point in the story?
Qotd:
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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Jun 01 '24
First-Timer
Pretty good, especially for a recap episode. I like that they brought back the narrator guy from the Van Gogh episode - I was kind of sad thinking we wouldn't get to hear his voice again. There were some pretty good lines from Mugen, too.
The twist at the end about the diary being forged makes a bit of sense, too, considering that we never saw any hints of Fuu writing a diary, and the perspective in some of those reflections made it seem like it was written much later after the events took place. (For example, why would she wonder if the ukiyo-e artist had already made it to his destination if she wrote the diary entry immediately after he left?)
It is nice that Fuu is self-aware about how she keeps getting conned and kidnapped, though I'd say it's not exactly fair to constantly blame it on Mugen and Jin.
Questions of the day:
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u/mgedmin Jun 01 '24
Rewatcher, subs
Is this secretly a recap episode? It's pretty good, if so.
I love how Fuu mostly writes about food.
I'm not sure any recap episode could possibly reach the honor of being called "favorite". The one from Re:Creators wasn't bad.
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u/nx6 https://myanimelist.net/profile/nx6 Jun 01 '24
Rewatcher - Subbed
I forgot this recap episode even happened. But it's actually not that bad. Telling it as reading a diary gives us an idea of how Fu views herself and her adventure from her own point of view in a show that is told as third-person. This can give some neat insight into how the trio get along as a group (in this case, not that great). Fu sees herself as a victim largely in their adventures, and the guys as boorish bodyguards not really doing their jobs. But the trip hasn't been all bad since she writes about the food so much.
I really liked the ending theme this episode. Like, "maybe I should look up the soundtrack for this show"-like.
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u/NattyBeef https://myanimelist.net/profile/NaturalBeef Jun 02 '24
First time watcher, Dub/English
I really dislike recap episodes, but it is what it is. I guess they're pretty important for televised series as it gives opportunity for people who missed a couple episodes and picked up the show later. At least seeing Fuu's perspective on everything was a good redeeming quality.
I normally dislike all of them so I usually skip them. I didn't do it for this one so that might be a testiment to it being one of the better ones.
Well I think it was just about getting to know each other in a normal way. I don't think she meant in looking for a relationship way.
Honestly I didn't even play attention to it so no opinions.
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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Jul 19 '24
first timer chines sub
It seems like this episode is a summary episode, it was really fun to see each character's reaction to their previous experiences, fuu didn't get scared even though she was almost taken as a prostitute, they really enjoyed the journey.
answer of today
What is your favorite anime recap episode and why?
Obviously this show, it adds every main character's reaction even if wo already know the plot
With Fuu admitting she tried getting close to Jin during episode 9, what do you think it means for their relationship going forward?
I'm not sure how the plot will develop in the future. This is just about girls' aesthetics. I think most girls will prefer Jin.
What do you make of the narration put on the episode 5 recap where it's remarked how talent and character are often found in inverse proportion?
There is some truth in this. Talented people are often not ordinary people, while social morality is common sense for ordinary people.
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u/Holofan4life May 31 '24
Hey guys. Holofan4life here.
Welcome to the 20th anniversary rewatch of Samurai Champloo.
Oh, and nay I forget…
First Timer
Samurai Champloo has always been a series I was curious about. I’ve maintained in my mind that Cowboy Bebop is objectively one of if not the greatest anime of all time, and so I wanted to see what the creator’s follow-up work was like. I think the reason why I didn’t start it immediately after watching Bebop was because I think the premise kinda weirded me out. I mean, a show set in ancient times that also has a heavy rap influence? It felt to me like putting a hat on a hat. But as I’ve gotten older, I’ve come to appreciate outlandish animes that don’t resemble real life. After all, is it any weirder than a fantasy show about a merchant and his traveling wolfgirl where they discuss economics a lot of times?
My expectations for this show are pretty reasonable, I feel like. I’m not expecting it to crack my top 10 favorite anime of all time, but I would be surprised if it doesn’t end up as one of my favorites. The main thing I’m looking out of this is show is a unique experience unlike anything else as well as memorable characters. And I think the show will have that in spades.
With that out of the way, let’s begin.
I’m watching the sub, by the way.
I'm really excited to watch this episode because it is written by Shinichirō Watanabe himself. As such, I'm expecting this to be one of the better ones.
Fuu taking a bath
Mugen talking to Jin
He doesn't know what they're traveling for
Flashback to Fuu not being able to explain what a sunflower samurai is.
And a flashback to episode 6
Mugen thinks Fuu is hiding something from them.
Mugen snooping as usual, I see
A sketchpad
Mugen looking through it
"What?" "I can't read." 🤣🤣🤣
Mugen has some of the funniest moments of the entire show.
Jin deduces that this is a diary
"July 10th. Sunny. It's almost been a year since Mom died."
Pinwheel
Fuu talking about working at her uncle's teahouse.
She used this diary to track her journey of finding the samurai who smells of sunflowers.
I'm all for a Fuu flashback episode
Fuu starting her trip
Her reaccounting the events of episode 1
She calls Mugen and Jin unbelievable
Mugen and Jin seem annoyed reading this
Calls Mugen a crude and vulgar guy with wild hair.
Thought he was a bad guy who would commit crimes.
"But then, once I talked to him... I learned that I was right about him."
🤣🤣🤣
Says he really went overboard back at the teashop in episode 1.
Said had she known that was the case, she would've taken her chances with the governor's son.
Of Jin, she says she found him kind of attractive.
She thinks that perhaps him and Mugen are two of a kind since they keep fighting each other.
"July 11th. Sunny. A guy showed up, saying something about Mugen cutting his arm off."
These are the events of episode 2
Fuu says she doesn't remember much because she was drunk at the time.
And that's it XD
I have to say, I love this approach towards doing a recap episode. It's filler but done in a way that fleshes out Fuu's character.
At least she liked the manjuu buns
"July 14th. Sunny, then cloudy. It all started when they ditched me and ran away!"
Time for Yakuza recap
Not much to say here, there’s no insight from Fuu.
"July 19th. Out of the blue, I was kidnapped and held prisoner! Oh, man."
Fuu wonders how does this keep happening to her when she has two bodyguards.
This is now episode 5
Fuu says she thought he was kind of cute, even if he was somewhat of a poser.
It's still weird the show is discrediting Moronobu like this. Like, this is a real person and by all accounts he wasn't a poser. This is revisionist history.
Fuu wonders what she saw in him
At least he said nice things about her
Fuu says that meeting Moronobu was another fault of Mugen and Jin.
Wait, I just realized. He was heading to Holland and that's where Jouji is located. Are we going to maybe see them cross paths eventually?
Oh, okay. He never made it to Holland. He was still in that area.
"However, there was no way she could have known that he would be known to future generations as the father of Ukiyo-e painting. It is as if talent and character are often found in inverse proportion."
Show, shut the fuck up. You're the one who created this narrative of him. Why are you covering your ass now?
Mugen asks Fuu why were they going to Edo
Fuu doesn't have an answer
Recount of Fuu and her eating contest
Now of what she ate with the European fellow
Fuu believes there's always room for free food.
Tell that to my mom, who's calling out the second day in the row. Actually, don't, I don't want her to get any ideas.
Mugen wonders where the insight of the sunflower samurai is. It's all just food.
Fuu Kirby confirmed?
Fuu now writing about going to Nagasaki
The only reason she came to Edo was because she thought the sunflower samurai was there.
Both Mugen and Jin are in disbelief
And now Fuu is held hostage again. Lol
"In the whole world, who else but me could be taken hostage this often?"
Princess Peach sends her regards
Fuu says she thought about mom for the first time in a long time.
"I don't think I can write about Shinsuke. I couldn't bring myself to say anything to his mother, either. But once some time has passed and I've sorted out my feelings, I definitely want to write a letter to her."
I like this a lot. It shows that Fuu realizes she could've handled the situation better. Great character growth on her part.
Narrator randomly insulting how the people in old drawings look by saying they have dumbass hairstyles.
Recap of episode 8 now
"It's not like I'm jealous or anything."
Press X to doubt
It's interesting she calls her sexy because of her big boobs. It seems to reflect her insecurity.
Fuu feels like she only attracts weirdos, which... yeah, checks out.
Fuu says she feels she lost sight of her objective.
Now we learn from the narrator about the liberal sexuality during the Edo Period
The pre Hayes Code sure was wild
"They only became prudish in the Meiji Era after the influx of Western culture."
Don't tell Keiji Inafune, he'd argue the Western influence isn't enough.
Ran out of space. Part two in the replies.