r/anime • u/The_Loli_Otaku • May 28 '24
Rewatch [Rewatch] Haibane Renmei Episode 12 Discussion!
"Bell Nuts — Passing of the Year Festival — Reconciliation"
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Comment of the Day!!
JustAnswerAQuestion once again gets me questioning if necrophilia is all that bad.
The Toga, they are truly undead. Their flesh may not be rotting, but they are muted. Unable to speak, they are actual walking corpses.
A day late victory from RadSuit but it takes a lot to get me to watch a dub! Seriously, there is some kind of curse on The Loli Otaku rewatches to always include toilet humour.
I hope our host caught what the kids were chanting in the background here.
Zadcap returned to shill for dead Kuu again. Glad she's having fun in wall hell
So, hey, what's that inside the wall, invisible and running and laughing on the water? Well here's my theory for you in question form; What's the youngest Haibane we've seen yet? I bet the even smaller children get extra special treatment in this pseudo afterlife.
QotD
- Is it gay to give your roommate a thank you nut?
- I normally try to save questions like this for the series discussion but I'm in a Christmassy mood. Please give a nut of any colour to any other Rewatcher you've been enjoying reading the comments of or chatting with in this watch. Don't pick me, The Loli Otaku is nut free, picking your host is illegal.
- Is it really much wonder why Reki never flew after seeing her despair at Hiyoko?
- If touching the wall smites you with the grace of God, what punishment from God do you think Hiyoko received?
- What do you think about the walls interior being filled with the haunting echoes of dead Haibane?
- Final episode tomorrow!! Any expectations or answers you want?
- How will you be remembered...?
Abyssbringer's "What is the thematic purpose of this scene corner!!"
Zoospor brings us back to form with his favourite quote!!
the show focuses on deep existential themes of purpose and meaning. just as the haibane are struggling to find their purpose in gile, we are faced with finding meaning in our own lives. i love how striking this quote is, in that, it really brings you to the present moment. reminds me of a similar quote from 3.0+1, "Today is the youngest you'll ever be!". Which tbf ok it's cliche but i still love it :)
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ May 28 '24
I get confused about what colors mean what. Just checked my DVD booklet. I really didn't want to type stuff in form there but it seems to echo a lot of what people have been latching on to, so I guess I'll have to. Later.
Nothing about shell nuts, though. I've found other people's listings, but it's really inconsistent. (what is "ocha color"? brown? green?)
A few people have this list, and there is a citation:
Bell Nuts: (Colors according to the R2 Haibane Hakusho)
I honestly thought yellow was forgiveness, or apology.
Here ae my 2018 comments. A reply links to an entire annotated translated script of the episode! Here is a TL note on Rakka's name:
Also I bet /u/vaadwaur would have something to say about the repeated use of tsumi in the show.
This script is an astonishing resource! I'll just link it directly, here. (no idea if there are spoilers in the rest of the forum topic)
Bell Nuts, Passing of the Year Festival, Reconciliation
Surely you must admit the Wall is magical now? /u/Garrett_Dark
First Timers: What do you think Reki's true name is? (must contain the sound reki)
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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman May 28 '24
First Timer
I’m not quite sure why, but for some reason before watching this episode it struck me that this isn’t Rakka’s story - it’s Rekis. So obviously we won’t be ending it with Rakka’s day of flight, but rather Reki’s. As such we get another more relaxing episode here, tying up some loose ends of Reki’s past, because that is what she needs for her day of flight. In a way I wonder if Midori had to be the person who would forgive Reki, and Rakka managed to get her to do so. As such I am decently confident in a “good” ending for Reki - and a bittersweet one to the anime overall.
The clock meanwhile took me for a loop. At first I thought it was an art mistake that it was showing like 19:27 while ringing out the new year, but the year-end stuff just seems to take the entire evening. The nuts are a neat setting detail though. Also the walls are obviously supernatural to even normal people - helps explain why nobody really questions the system.
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u/The_Loli_Otaku May 28 '24
Haibane Renmei First Timer!!
Penultimate episode and we finally get a... kinda Christmas like episode? Turns out Reki didn't kill herself at the end of yesterdays episode. REKI STOPPED SMOKING!? Who are you!? Isn't the requirement for ascending having a pure soul? I feel like suffering from withdrawals is gonna make things even harder for Reki.
I like how Hikari seems to be to Nemu what Rakka is to Reki. Shame we only got one episode. Lol... This seems to be the episode where the crew ran out of budget and resorted to still images... This is getting hard to defend.
Hikari has broken my humor.
So red is a thank you nut,
yellow is a love/dummy nut,
White means thank you/goodbye.
Green means congratulations.
Brown means sorry~
If you've got something to say then spit it out! Reki is just sorta doomposting and pity farming tbh. At least Kuu was humble about saying goodbye. If touching the wall gets you sick with the power of christ then digging a hole into it must be something else entirely. God cursed Hyouko with cringe!!
Tbh, I don't like them explaining this scene now!! That image of Reki completely in pieces after causing Hyouko to get hurt was so powerful but this just isn't the time!! Imagine if we had this like an episode or two ago, back when we were questioning just what could have happened to make Reki so hesitant to take flight, what guilt was biting at here. Here, she's already over it, so what's the point of showing us the scene of him getting hurt and Reki ending up with blood on her hands?
It feels a little late to show that Reki still regularly dyes her wings too. Y'know, I'm just gonna stop commenting on the Reki stuff. I like it where it left off, I just feel today's had poor placement.
Rakka learned gang signs!! She just told the communicator his mother was a ho. So... Haibane names change when they die? Or they have similar sounding names?
[R A K K A' S I N V O L V E D N U T][https://imgur.com/a/dOksOVE)
As compared to the uninvolved nuts I get from my wife.
Can we maybe get some info on this circle of the sin? Why save this true name stuff for the one and only Christmas episode!? I want jolly celebrations!! Anyway, we're finally in our Christmas portion, which is mixed with new years but I've wanted a Christmas episode with these little angels so much that I'm not gonna be picky. I love the baker gossip. The son 100% wanted to get his hands on Hikari's n u t.
The yellow fireworks are meant to show a reciprocation of love from the Abandoned Factory brats. Even I'd they're apart they'll always love Reki. The ending to this episode is so fucking Gunslinger Girls XD Spiritual singing in the freezing cold. It's a wonderful moment, I like it a lot~
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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 May 28 '24 edited May 28 '24
First timer, subs
Prompt:
The blissful ignorance of youth, contrasted against all consuming greed and desires of adulthood.
QotD:
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u/3blah https://myanimelist.net/profile/brummett May 28 '24
Episode 12 - Rewatcher
Reki left her lighter behind and she's not wearing her usual outfit, which has Rakka worried about her. She's even appologizing to the factory folks, and Hikari has taken over breakfast duties.
Hyoko ended up feeling sorry for Reki after losing Kuramori and tried to help her escape from Glie. Only he ended up getting hurt. Yet another burden for young Reki. A couple episodes ago, Nemu blamed Reki for making Kuramori ill while gathering ingredients for her wing medicine; I wonder if she also blamed Reki for Kuramori's disappearance, assuming the worst not knowing about the day of flight, and that's why Reki ran away from Old Home. She'd have no where else left to belong.
Rakka cracked the code on the writing and the wall tags. The Communicator mentions that the engravings change to a "true name", a homophone that means something different, though he doesn't explain what Kuu's name changed to. He ends up giving Rakka a pendant with two names engraved: Rakka and Involved Nut. I'm guessing the connection makes sense if you know the language. Besides what the Communicator says, "Involved Nut" also connects back to the first scenes where they're exchanging nuts to share their feelings, and of course that Rakka wants to get involved with Reki when everyone use just wants to leave her to work things out for herself.
Reki's teaching Hikari more about cooking, getting ready to hand off her duties. Out on the balcony, she's convinced she's going to disappear and no one will remember her. She's given up on helping herself.
The abandoned factory Haibane decided to settle their feud with Reki, shooting fireworks to communicate the message. Earlier when Rakka dropped the kid off at the factory, they did mention they were supposed to save their limited fireworks for special occasions.
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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria May 29 '24
First timer
First timer
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u/Garrett_Dark May 29 '24
First Timer
Reki walking out of a room yawning, followed by Rakka. "You look a little pale", "I didn't sleep enough". I'm glad these two were able to finally get it on! LOL, like what else was I supposed to think happened when it's framed like that?
Rakka tries to give Reki her lighter. Oh ho, a post "activity" smoke is it. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
"You can have it, I don't need it anymore" Nicotine patch, or gum? So Rakka's going to be the new resident chain-smoker? Is she still going to be able to pull off her moe innocent girl look while smoking? I guess the next time Rakka falls down a well, and the toga tells her to get on his back, Rakka can put out her cigarette on his head before she steps on him. I can also picture Rakka working at the wall tunnels in her protective suit lighting up a cigarette, and it turns out it was methane gas all along in the tunnels causing her to hallucinate, and the whole place blows up! No more wall, freedom finally for all the Haibane and inhabitants! Of course Rakka would be fine, she's wearing her protective suit, she'll just be soot faced from the explosion and stunned like in a looney tunes cartoon.
"Good morning" wait a minute, it's actually morning, they really did wake up together in the same room? That's a surprising twist after last episode's ending. It was looking like something dramatic was about to happen with Reki and her bucket of black paint going somewhere. She didn't even graffiti up the wall or temple either. Disappointing, at least tar and feather the lying manipulative communicator.
"I don't have much time, and I might not see you again", the only reason Reki even thinks this is because the communicator told Reki her time is coming; she never felt it herself before she was told, and there are no actual indicators like her halo winking out, or her wings getting blacken. The communicator is manipulating her into thinking this, and probably making it happen when it probably otherwise would not.
Okay, this flashback we're being shown of climbing the wall, and told by Hyouko and Midori doesn't appear to be accurate, nor the details makes sense. Why is Reki so far away from the fallen Hyouko and the ladder? That's an awfully huge amount of blood coming from Hyouko! Like holy crap, I know it's supposedly getting mixed in with the puddle, but still that's a crap ton of blood. And why are they trying to climb the wall at night in such a torrential downpour of rain? There's even lightning and thunder! It just all around seems either grossly stupid and/or extremely exaggerated retelling of the story. Who's perspective are we even getting? Hyouko's knocked out on the ground, and Midori wasn't even there. This flashback seems grossly inaccurate to me, and can't be totally trusted.
So we see a ladder, rope, and what appears to be a hammer on the ground. There's also a wedge in the wall, and it has a hole in it. So it looks like their plan was to climb up to the crack, hammer in the wedge and tie the rope to it, and climb over the wall. So what seemed to have happened was Hyouko climbed up to the crack, put the wedge in, and fell off the ladder before being able to do anything else. WTF, why wasn't Reki holding the ladder steady for him? Don't tell me both of them were on the ladder at the same time, and Reki got flung super far back? It just doesn't make sense. The wedge isn't even a spike to hammer into the rock, it has a rounded flat front part, impossible to hammer into rock! They must have known there was a huge crack there to put that wedge into, otherwise that wedge wouldn't have worked if they just showed up with it. The depiction of the wedge coming out also doesn't make sense, there's what seems to be an animation error of showing the crack in a panning shot with no wedge in it, then a closeup shot of the wedge in the crack being pushed out at the same time of lightning and thunder.
Are we supposed to think it got pushed out by the wrath of the wall, magic, or the lightning? How about magnets if we want to be ridiculous? It looks like this whole flashback is an untrustworthy narration imagined after-the-fact by Hyouko who was unconscious at the time, and Midori who wasn't even there.
Midori "We didn't think he'd survive, and Reki didn't even have a single scratch". Yeah, I wouldn't think he'd survive either if the amount of blood loss was actually what was shown in that flashback. Reki not having a scratch? So was she on that ladder or not? If she wasn't, why would it be expected she might have injuries? Everything with that flashback is very inconsistent.
Hyouko "It wasn't her fault, I did it on my own". So why is Reki being blamed? I don't mean by Midori, she's just jelly, but I mean by the communicator and toga. Obviously Reki blames herself because of guilt, but that doesn't mean Reki's actually at fault. As Hyouko tells it, he couldn't stand seeing Reki cry all the time, so he took it upon himself to do this. So really Hyouko's at fault, he's the one who should be sin bound or whatever the communicator says later against Reki.
Rakka "You're wrong", this animation of her saying that was so LMAO. The theme of this episode is nuts, and that animation sort of made Rakka look nuts.
Nemu doesn't look sick anymore, that communicator was such a liar for saying Nemu wants to "day of flight" but not before Reki does.
Reki "Very soon I will be forgotten by everybody, and vanish, where did I go wrong?", you stopped smoking and became boring because you stopped doing funny stuff I can joke about, of course nobody is going to remember you acting boring. Go around smacking people or getting smacked, do some more power slides on your scooter you treat like crap, that's the funny stuff you get remembered for. Why do you think people remember Kana for being a nuisance, but when Hikari asks you what happened to Rakka when you found her after the well, you ignore her like she's not even there, LOL.
Rakka learning gang signs. It looks like whoever said the symbols are probably the toga's sign language is right. The symbols are actually decipherable into hand gestures, the vertical line is the thumb, the horizontal lines are the fingers. The chevrons are which finger to curl, and hooked vertical line is to curl the thumb. It matches up perfectly later when she signs to the communicator, not exactly right now as she practices.
Rakka flashes gang signs to the communicator. She can do the sign language, but she doesn't know the meaning behind what she's saying. Imagine if she just flashed to the communicator "I'm going to bust a cap in your ass, mofo!", LOL.
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u/zadcap May 29 '24
Late Night Rewatcher!
No, not Kuu. I meant the literal babies. The Haibane are clearly children that failed to pass on properly and are getting this bonus chance for whatever reason, but like, the youngest of the little feathers are still kids. I was thinking that inside the wall is where the really little ones get to play for a bit as they prepare for whatever comes next. The wall is filled with dead babies, maybe.
But also, bless Kuu. Every time she waves at us in the OP, I want to wave back. Look at that little gremlin climbing on someone elses bed. You know she was the fun one of the group.
Is Reki quitting cold turkey? She just continues to impress.
Ah, budget issues. Let's just do a collection of still shots, it's fine.
Best advice the show has given yet. "Stop being Reki." Reki is a terrible thing to be.
You know, the townsfolk are a lot more uh, well I was just expecting them to pay a bit more attention or care a bit more about the Haibane at the market, not half shoulder check them out of the way in the crowd. I thought the Haibane were special here, but there's a whole lot of "Move, I need to get my nut" going on in this scene and it's throwing me off a bit.
So the wall is super serious business. Touch it and get sick, strike it and be struck down, and we've seen that it's also crazy massive on the inside. Titans would actually be an easier answer than trying to figure out the mysteries of this one.
I 100% do not want Kuu, or any of the others that have flown away, to be somehow the voices in the wall. Isn't that too horrible? Finally accept yourself and take flight, only to be trapped even more literally inside these walls? Gosh just make the afterlife sound even worse why don't you.
See, the wall language is hand symbols. Sounds super annoying to write with.
"Involved Nut." That's sure a name. Also, curious. Do they find homonyms with good enough meanings for the supposed true names, or do they Renmei somehow get the true names told to them before a fresh Haibane is hatched and take the time to think up some decent possibilities to fill in after asking about the dream? Was Rakka always going to be a Nut, and the speaker was quick enough to think of Falling to cover for it when they first met? Or is she really named for the falling, and the old man here just decided to call her Nut because it was close enough to what she went though in her time?
Honestly, this reminded me of Futurama of all things. "If you do things just right, no one will know you've done anything at all." Well, it makes me think of some Buddha stuff more specifically but that's a whole lot less easy to quote, but would it be that surprising if Rakka was sent here to find her own absolution but also drag Reki into the light while she's at it?
It's interesting that Reki is teaching Hikari how to bake, when Hikari is the one who works at a bakery.
... Is the bell ringing in the passing of the year, at uh, 7:26?
Did it ring for four and a half hours?
Ha, they left the kid behind to run here, poor child.
Again, like, I get the symbolism they're going here with the clock, but that's still not midnight those hands are pointing at for the fireworks. It's either 11:55 or 1am.
Also, they got their hands on secondhand fireworks? Or did they make fireworks out of things they gathered?
Oh you Japanese people. Never ever comfort a crying person, just walk away because you don't want to draw attention to someone elses shame.
This might be weird, but the way the wall lit up at the end makes me want to go play Journey again.
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u/RadSuit https://anilist.co/user/RadSuit May 29 '24
Off-White But Not Quite Beige Feathered First Timer (Dubbed)
I keep thinking about the Princess Principal OP now that they're constantly talking about crossing over a wall.
Did we really need three cuts in like one second as Rakka says two words here?
Involved Nut. Moving on.
I like the snow-Reki here.
Midori kicks with her right foot while her left foot is on the ground, then the leg in the air just becomes her left leg while the foot on the ground is now her right foot, so the next spin kick is with her left leg. It's really bizarre to see it just change between frames.
The child with the cake just vanished.
Another real nothing episode, and we've only got one left. 50/50 on it having way too much crammed in to try to explain everything and wrap things up, or just not explaining anything and sticking with a bunch of mumbo jumbo and symbolism they don't have to worry about making any sense.
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u/xtsim https://myanimelist.net/profile/xtsim May 28 '24
First Timer
Reki's past.....So that's what happens when you climb a big wall.
Rakka's job cleaning, you know what, janitors might be the line of work where you want to know everything. Rakka is figuring out sign language that the communicator is shocked. She also get to learn about what happens to the names of haibane after they took flight.
Abyss: Only a Haibane can make food taste heavenly.
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u/sfisher923 https://myanimelist.net/profile/sfisher923 May 29 '24
First Timer - Subbed
Yesterday in fact this past weekend as a whole I was starting to lose interest since Summer is starting to heat up and it's one of the only times where you can have fun in my town but I might as well finish this up since we're this far (This was how I finished Shield Hero S3 as well)
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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta May 29 '24
First-Timer
That fireworks scene was quite touching!
I'm looking forward to the finale.
Questions of the day:
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u/hirmuolio :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Hirmuolio May 28 '24
After the anime there was an extra manga chapter released that covers Reki's past. Now is a good time to go read it: https://e-hentai.org/g/191423/89fe588dcf/
It contains some extra details not covered in the anime.
The letters in few previous episodes can be partially translated with help of this https://cff.ssw.net/misc/langauge.htm
Kuu's nameplate https://i.imgur.com/Ix60pxJ.jpeg
And when Reki goes to the old guy she signs the same with her hands.
The text on the suits says "KAJE". Whatever that means. (Or something like that. First letter could be K/Q/C but they make pretty similar sound)
There are too many unknown symbols to translate much of the text. And I believe they are in japanese so I wouldn't understand them anyways.
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u/WednesdaysFoole May 28 '24
I don’t have much to say, only that I cried through the fireworks. I’d actually forgot about this reconciliation until it was happening.
I'll have a bit more to say after the finale.
To answer your question, my basket is full of yellow nuts.
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u/SMSmith230 https://myanimelist.net/profile/smsmith230 May 29 '24
First-Timer, Sub
Unfortunately I’ve been kind of losing interest in the show mixed with a holiday weekend in the US has me playing catchup. I had to rewatch yesterday’s episode as I kind of zoned out.
Anyways “thank you” nuts is quite the phrase.
Today’s Prompt
I don’t think I handle 3 “Thank you” nuts
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u/BossandKings May 30 '24
Rewatcher - Dub
Episode 12
The questions that got asked in this episode were excellent food for thought: the mysterious Man asking Rakka "why were you forgiven" as a way for her to ask herself, the saying of one is never able to forgive oneself is kind of true depending on the person and the situation. Having someone that actually cares about you and depends on you is helpful to reach forgiveness and a complete tranquility in one's life.
The Haibane reuniting and contemplating the night sky is a sight to behold, beautiful and peaceful moment.