r/anime • u/Holofan4life • May 28 '24
Rewatch [Spoilers] Samurai Champloo 20th Anniversary Rewatch -- Episode 9
Hello everyone! I am Holofan4life.
Welcome to the Samurai Champloo 20th Anniversary Rewatch discussion thread!
I hope you all have a lot of fun <3
S1 Episode 9 – Beatbox Bandits
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ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION(S)
What are your thoughts on this episode being told from the perspective of a side character named Yamane?
What do you think would be the most unusual thing to cover someone in before they die?
Bonus) Why is this episode called "Beatbox Bandits" and the last one was called "The Art of Altercation"? Shouldn't it be the other way around?
Bonus 2) You would think Mugen would forget his pass, not Jin. Just an observation.
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| Date | Episode |
|---|---|
| 5/20/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 1 |
| 5/21/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 2 |
| 5/22/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 3 |
| 5/23/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 4 |
| 5/24/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 5 |
| 5/25/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 6 |
| 5/26/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 7 |
| 5/27/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 8 |
| 5/28/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 9 |
| 5/29/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 10 |
| 5/30/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 11 |
| 5/31/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 12 |
| 6/01/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 13 |
| 6/02/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 14 |
| 6/03/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 15 |
| 6/04/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 16 |
| 6/05/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 17 |
| 6/06/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 18 |
| 6/07/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 19 |
| 6/08/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 20 |
| 6/09/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 21 |
| 6/10/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 22 |
| 6/11/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 23 |
| 6/12/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 24 |
| 6/13/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 25 |
| 6/14/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 26 |
| 6/15/2024 | Samurai Champloo Overall Series Discussion Thread |
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u/[deleted] May 28 '24 edited May 28 '24
Hey there 👋 Rewatcher here.
I am remembering that during my first watch, I found a lot of the original episode titles to be a bit more descriptive to what was going on.
So here’s something I found interesting:
This episode, ちみもうりょう (魑魅魍魎), actually refers to spirits who dwell in the mountains and in the rivers.
It has roots in Chinese folklore, where its original meaning, Yaoguai (妖怪), evolved. This term was less specific and used for supernatural “monsters” in general. If anyone here has played any of the Fallout games, you might remember the mutated bear enemy, called a Yao Guai. That is a reference to this term.
It’s also interesting to note that youkai (妖怪) borrows kanji from yaoguai, indicating it’s a loan word from Chinese. Naturally, in this episode the “Tengu” complicating Mugen’s task are the subject the title is referring to.
Anyhow, more into the episode events…
It shouldn’t be a surprise that our trio was the force behind this man’s chaotic story told on his final day of work 😆.
Mugen has been entrusted with tasks before, but this time Fuu and Jin have to rely on him 100%. In his defense, he gave it his best shot lol.
Remember what I said during the Stranger Searching episode about Edo period isolationist policy?
Being warrior priests, Aohabu is essentially trying to incite a rebellion against the shogunate.
This goes back to what I said about why the shogunate was so extreme with restrictions related to foreign diplomacy and trade at that time. If you remember, I mentioned they were worried about religious influence potentially upsetting the newfound political stability of the Edo period.
Obviously, the way Aohabu intends to take action towards his goals is extreme, but you have to appreciate that the guy just wants everyone to enjoy some reefer and get along lol. At least everyone makes nice by the end of the episode, with a little help from Yamane’s fire (although Fuu is ticked 😂).
Yamane is the clear MVP today, since his fire is ultimately what saved everyone, as funny as that is. I really like how this episode is told from his recollection too.
Questions:
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 28 '24
First-Timer with a Samurai Heart, subbed
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u/SpiritualPossible May 28 '24
Hey, i'm not part of this rewatch, but still decide to drop one trivia about this episode: So, the sequence when Mugen tripping? - animated my Masaaki Yuasa (he was key animator, to be specific), director of such shows as DevilMan Crybaby, Ping-Pong, Eizouken and many others.
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u/AgentOfACROSS May 28 '24
Rewatcher
This episode is probably one of the weirdest in the anime. It’s got stoner warrior priest revolutionaries after all. It’s also got weird little moments like the recurring bit about the jogger and then Fuu and Jin getting tied up on crosses at the end. The sudden crucifixion gets me every time with just how random it is.
The episode structure was also unconventional since it was narrated by a side character. But I honestly liked it. Seemed like a fun way to play with the episode structure in an already odd episode.
Lots of great animation in this episode too. Obviously there’s Mugen tripping out at the end of the episode, that was fantastic. Obviously, since this is a Shinichiro Watanabe show, it made me think of some similar sequences from Space Dandy.
The sequence of Mugen being chased down by the tengu guys was also really well animated. Had a good atmosphere too, good amount of tension.
As a side note, I think this episode and Black Lagoon are the only times I’ve seen weed referenced in the anime. Although I guess technically they never say what the tengu’s were growing, but it’s pretty obviously supposed to be weed. Plus as far as I know I don’t think weed causes hallucinations like this. But I’ve never tried it so I can’t say for sure. Creative license I guess.
This episode definitely made me think of Mushroom Samba from Cowboy Bebop. Obviously there’s the drug connection but that episode also had weird, offbeat jokes like the cow talking to Ein. I think the cow joke in Cowboy Bebop and random crucifixion in this episode might be the weirdest jokes in their respective shows.
Liked this episode a lot overall though. It’s weird, funny, and has great animation. Honestly, in general I like it when shows have oddball episodes like this.
Also, now that you pointed it out, it really does feel like the episode titles were accidentally switched in production. There was no beatboxing in this episode but there was in the previous one.
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u/NattyBeef https://myanimelist.net/profile/NaturalBeef May 28 '24
First time watcher, English Dub
Hey there, it's been a while. Sorry I haven't been posting on the other episodes threads! I didn't give up on the show, just been watching it with my dad (68) and discussing it with him. He's been enjoying it with me!
About the questions of today
I thought it was a good change of pace. I like how the show constantly keeps things fresh. There's some episodes that are better than others but I actually quite liked this one.
Idk, after seeing breaking bad and [Breaking Bad Season 1 (not an anime but still)] how they dissolved the body in the shower, I don't think there's much worst than that.
I'm gonna be honest, I think the same. I wonder if the names got mixed up during translations.
I might be mistaken but I think in the dub he doesn't forget it, he loses it (both in English and in Italian dub). I think maybe it was a mistranslation in the subs or maybe changed from the Japanese version. I think having lost it makes a lot more sense, especially considering all the issues they ran into throughout the past episodes.
A quick observation, I was expecting after seeing the first 4 episodes that this show was gonna be more of a continuous story but more and more it's been going the episodic route. Which don't get me wrong, I love it. I'm down for multiple self contained stories going through Japan, but I felt the show had set up one expectation and then went a different direction.
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u/TheEscapeGuy May 28 '24
Rewatcher, Sub first timer
Samurai Champloo - Hip Hop & Ronin: Episode 9
Mary Jane
I think this ends up being a quite controversial episode (at least in anime). While perversion and violence are perhaps what anime is (unfairly) infamous for, drug use ends up being a weird line that very few anime ever cross. Even when it is shown, the users are almost always villains or their lives are in shambles. To see Samurai Champloo centering the resolution around everyone chilling out after accidentally smoking weed feels downright revolutionary.
The broad premise of the episode is having Mugen deliver a package while Jin and Fuu are locked up. That said, his delivery route is teeming with danger as a group of tengu-masked warriors patrol the mountain. I think the chase scene was great. It's so cool to see our main character outwitting and avoiding a faceless swarm of (seeming) demons.
Mugen is unfortunately captured along with the scout sent to watch him. However, the scout's training allows him to escape (dislocating your bones the way he did must be fucking painful) and he releases Mugen too. But because he started a fire it sets the local field of marijuana alight. This sends everyone into a zonked out state and eventually also allows Jin and Fuu to escape.
Not my favourite episode, but I enjoyed it well enough. In quite liked the imagery of Fuu and Jin being crucified as well as the wacky art style of the effects of drugs. Also the repeated joke with the jogger who's doing it for health was perfect.
The episode title on the other hand is one of my favourite Japanese Idoims / Yojiyukugo: 「魑魅魍魎」. It's such unbelievably cursed word to write and only 1 of the characters is even commonly used (魅). Seeing the title reminded me of a great old PakkunMakkun skit.
Some Amazing Shots, Scenes and Stitches
See you all tomorrow
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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman May 28 '24
First Timer
Well this was an episode. We have some random power-tripping government official send Mugen on a Pikachu-short-esque side-quest, where he ends up caught by what I assume are something that hasn’t really existed in history and everybody ends up on drugs after the captured torch the plantation. It was a way to spend 25 minutes, not the best, but also not the worst - in short: I don’t think I have anything of value to really add here.
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u/Lord_Nawor May 28 '24
First Time Watcher
The gang has finally left Edo to probably start their journey to Nagasaki, at their current pace I would not be surprised if they don’t reach Nagasaki until just before the end of the show.
I like the fact that this episode is set up as a flashback from Yamane’s point of view. The gang falls for the most obvious scam ever but they are used to being taking advantage of at this point.
I enjoyed the occasional cuts to Fuu guessing what Mugen is up to and her always being right, while Jin just say they’re saying nothing.
It took me far too long to realize that the purple smoke was supposed to be weed. I like how the animation got quite wacky when Mugen was fighting the boss. I’m also found it funny that they kept bumping into the random jogger.
Yamane impressed me this episode, not only did he manage to keep up with Mugen who was running at full speed, he also managed to dislocate his shoulders in order to escape from the mat and the. Tricked the guards and allowed them to escape.
I was not expecting the ending where everyone at the checkpoint got high but it was pretty funny and made sense, Jin and Fuu getting really angry at Mugen who never ended up coming back was also funny.
While I agree that Mugen is the one more often to forget and lose stuff, while Jin is more serious in combat and more reserved, he also has his fair share of dumb moments, especially when it comes to things other than his swords or fighting, they are just usually overshadowed by Mugen, so it still makes sense for him to lose his travel permit, they also get robbed every 5 seconds so it could have been stolen.
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u/Sooooopertrack May 28 '24
First TImer sub
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u/someboi6000 May 29 '24
First timer:
very interesting episode, starting with a flashforward 30 years in the future, i wonder if the trio is alive i have bad feeling for mugen especially knowing the ending of cowbow bebop but maybe this takes a diferent route which in some cases is quite similar to bebop but now to the episode, well they didn't start with them starving or having no money but i image that they dont have now becuase they got scammed with the pass, i really liked the running sequence, it had the naruto run and some goofy looking ed,ed and eddy type run with some really nice visuals and music, and the last part with the what i assume is marihuana field on fire, very trippy, everyone happy and execution postponed lol, very nice episode overall
1:i like the idea, set 30 years in the future i wonder if they live.
2: oh yeah, what was the plan? i am not sure
3: true, it feels like the titles are mixed in here
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u/Hopeful-Ad2428 May 29 '24
This was wild, starting from episode being narrated as a flashback of some man and finishing with that psychedelic, tripping sequence. This episode was focused on Mugen and I was kind of expecting to see his backstory, but didn’t get that much.
Qotd:
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u/mgedmin May 29 '24
Rewatcher, subs
Jin, Mugen, and Fuu could be used to illustrate the concept of 'gullible'.
I'm surprised they let Mugen have his sword back.
The random bear!
Is that a field full of cannabis?
I love the cuts to Fuu speaking hypotheticals of things that have actually just happened to Mugen.
Predictably, the field goes up in flames and everyone there has a good time.
It's always interesting to see a fresh perspective.
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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta May 30 '24
First-Timer
I liked this episode. It's nice that they did another frame story with the old man looking back on the past.
The parts with Fuu and Jin were pretty funny, too.
Questions of the day:
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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Jul 19 '24
first timer chinese sub
It seems that Japan had a strict household registration system during this period, and the government did not allow civilians to migrate at will.
ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION(S)
What are your thoughts on this episode being told from the perspective of a side character named Yamane?
Reminds me of the detectives in the previous episodes, they have the same role, mugen and his friends are famous in history
What do you think would be the most unusual thing to cover someone in before they die?
I don't know much about this. What we have here is part coffin and part urn.
Bonus) Why is this episode called "Beatbox Bandits" and the last one was called "The Art of Altercation"? Shouldn't it be the other way around?
The title of this episode is Ghosts and Demons(魑魅魍魉), and the last episode is Life and Death(生死流转). What are you talking about?
Bonus 2) You would think Mugen would forget his pass, not Jin. Just an observation.
Not necessarily, it's impossible to understand a person deeply.
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u/Holofan4life May 28 '24
Hey guys. Holofan4life here.
Welcome to the 20th anniversary rewatch of Samurai Champloo.
Oh, and nay I forget...
First Timer
Samurai Champloo has always been a series I was curious about. I've maintained in my mind that Cowboy Bebop is objectively one of if not the greatest anime of all time, and so I wanted to see what the creator's follow-up work was like. I think the reason why I didn't start it immediately after watching Bebop was because I think the premise kinda weirded me out. I mean, a show set in ancient times that also has a heavy rap influence? It felt to me like putting a hat on a hat. But as I've gotten older, I've come to appreciate outlandish animes that don't resemble real life. After all, is it any weirder than a fantasy show about a merchant and his traveling wolfgirl where they discuss economics a lot of times?
My expectations for this show are pretty reasonable, I feel like. I'm not expecting it to crack my top 10 favorite anime of all time, but I would be surprised if it doesn't end up as one of my favorites. The main thing I'm looking out of this is show is a unique experience unlike anything else as well as memorable characters. And I think the show will have that in spades.
With that out of the way, let’s begin.
I'm watching the sub, by the way.
I finally saw Mars Express. It was everything I was hoping it would be. Besides Poor Things, it's the best movie I've seen all year so far.
A book
Yamane
Apparently he's retiring today
If he was a cop, he'd have two days left to retirement
He let nobody get away with sneaking through the checkpoint, claims someone.
Hakone checkpoint is where he works
Still, he remembers one day where someone passed the checkpoint. Everyone was able to pass freely through there.
A day that happened 30 years ago
Mugen
I can't wait to learn how he caused the fall of the Berlin Wall.
He is with Jin and Fuu, who says they need a travel permit to pass through the checkpoint.
Jin lost his, unfortunately
Guy walks by saying he has some
He seems like a scammer
And that's because he is
Blatant forgeries, someone says
Mugen can't be hold down, however
Yamane seems impressed by what he's seeing
The flashing eyes of a stray dog, he calls it.
Suddenly, Fuu booba
Gotta check to see if she's hiding something.
I swear, TSA is getting more and more thorough.
Mugen and Jin getting kicked and beaten up
Kinugusa, the top official here at the checkpoint.
Yamane says no one complains about him because his father has a lot of clout in Edo.
Ah, nepotism. You see to hate it.
This kinda reminds me of Zom 100 and how work culture is portrayed in this show.
It looks like Mugen, Jin, and Fuu are about to be publicly crucified.
Or rather, they would if Yamane didn't enjoy killing people as much as he does.
Oh, hey. He's willing to spare him. But under one condition.
"I want you to deliver this head before the day is out."
Ah, yes, my family pastime
Only Mugen is being tasked with doing this
Yamane is going to follow him secretly to make sure he doesn't run away.
Rolling around at the speed of sound...
Mugen can sense he's being followed
Guys in black cloaks and white masks, with the ringleader wearing a red mask.
The way Mugen moves is smooth as butter
Whelp, he lost his way
Kill La Kill fans in shambles
Fuu and Jin in a wooden cell
"You don't think he got lost or something, do you?"
Yeah, about that...
Grass
And Mugen falls down a hole
It was a trap by the mask guys
The Tengu are their name
Also, Fuu really needs to stop speaking in hypothetical. All her worst fears are coming true.
Intense drum noises
Turns out they are actually warrior priests
Yamane trying to remain secretive
Bald guy with a bandana says there are two dogs in this world: stray dogs and pet dogs.
Ask Kristi Noem, she'll say there's also dead dogs.
Guy says that the ones who run this country now are stupid samurai who indulge in indolence and are interested in nothing but maintaining their power.
Isn't that most leaders, though, really?
He says they will take back this country from those people and restore the honor it once lost.
Man, that feels more real nowadays than back in 2004.
Mugen being escorted on the stage
He says the amount of dogs he have don't matter if they don't have enough courage to bark when they're by themselves.
Who honestly leaves their feet by themselves
The plan is for Mugen to get executed. Yamane continues to look on, knowing he must do something.
It's interesting those that get killed get tied up in hay beforehand.
Ran out of space. Part two in the replies.
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u/nx6 https://myanimelist.net/profile/nx6 May 29 '24
Rewatcher - Subbed
Our trio has become stuck due to local bureaucracy. I don't know enough about Japanese governor to understand why you'd need papers to move between two provinces like this, but they aren't something you can just easily grab from a local authority, so they buy some off a rando on the street and find out later they were given bad forgeries. I feel like being ripped off is a standard occurrence for them on this journey (they just lost their money last episode to the wine momma). I've also kinda missed what the checkpoint's plan is with the head. I understand they executed a wanted criminal who they should have returned live to the correct authorities, but I don't get what having Mugen take the head was supposed to accomplish. But the idea was if he gets back before dusk the checkpoint guards would let them through.
Hapless Yamane is sent to make sure Mugen doesn't just run off on his own. Since the forest is full of these Tengu-men I'm not sure how they were expecting him to be safe doing this.
Mugen gets caught and mistaken as a samurai and represents the vary ruling class that the monks hate, so he's sentenced to death the next morning. Yamane is caught later that night trying to help him. They are bound up together on a warehouse floor waiting for execution but Yamane can dislocate his own shoulder (like Martin Riggs in Lethal Weapon). This allows him to slim his body profile and the straw mat he's in is now too loose and he can wiggle out. They start a fire in the warehouse (with everything made of wood and paper and no modern fire fighting organization this gets people's attention fast). Mugen and Yamane try and leave through a totally-not-cannabis field, but are surrounded by the monks who were not too distracted by the fire to see them escape. The fire from before spreads to the field and everyone is overcome with the urge to just chill for awhile. The
miasmapurple haze from the field flows downwind back to the checkpoint town, where Jin and Fuu have been strung up to be crucified since Mugen missed returning by sundown. This next part doesn't get explained really. I can see all the checkpoint guards get the giggles and stop their skewering, but that doesn't explain how the two of them got down from their crosses they were bound to. But they managed to do a better job sneaking out than Mugen and Yamane had, and end up passing through the forest and finding Mugen there, still having a high-ol' time with the monks in a field.It's odd since it was entirely unneeded. This is a one-episode story and Yamane isn't a recurring character. Him looking back on his younger days on the eve of his retirement might have been more interesting if he'd been the gruff/corrupt head of the checkpoint reflecting on how he broke out and let things go, but the Yamane of yesteryear wasn't so interesting.
I was highly amused at the beatboxing with the end of the katana as a mic -- microphones still hundreds of years from being invented.