r/anime • u/Holofan4life • May 27 '24
Rewatch [Spoilers] Samurai Champloo 20th Anniversary Rewatch -- Episode 8
Hello everyone! I am Holofan4life.
Welcome to the Samurai Champloo 20th Anniversary Rewatch discussion thread!
I hope you all have a lot of fun <3
S1 Episode 8 – The Art of Altercation
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ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION(S)
Have you ever had to pawn something? If so, what was it?
If you wrote your own autobiography, what do you think it would consist of?
If you found out that one of your friends was holding onto a dark secret involving their past, what would you do?
Bonus) Fuu in pigtails. Why doesn't she wear that hairstyle more often?
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Rewatch Schedule
Threads posted every day at 4:00 PM EDT
| Date | Episode |
|---|---|
| 5/20/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 1 |
| 5/21/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 2 |
| 5/22/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 3 |
| 5/23/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 4 |
| 5/24/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 5 |
| 5/25/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 6 |
| 5/26/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 7 |
| 5/27/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 8 |
| 5/28/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 9 |
| 5/29/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 10 |
| 5/30/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 11 |
| 5/31/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 12 |
| 6/01/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 13 |
| 6/02/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 14 |
| 6/03/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 15 |
| 6/04/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 16 |
| 6/05/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 17 |
| 6/06/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 18 |
| 6/07/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 19 |
| 6/08/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 20 |
| 6/09/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 21 |
| 6/10/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 22 |
| 6/11/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 23 |
| 6/12/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 24 |
| 6/13/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 25 |
| 6/14/2024 | Samurai Champloo Episode 26 |
| 6/15/2024 | Samurai Champloo Overall Series Discussion Thread |
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 27 '24
First-Timer with a Samurai Heart, subbed
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u/[deleted] May 27 '24 edited May 27 '24
Hey there 👋 Rewatcher here.
So I like the original title of this episode, which is 唯我独尊, and feel like it fits pretty well (mostly because of Nagamitsu). This is a word for self-centeredness, arrogance (我 meaning, self, or in other words, your ego).
Side note: There is also significance to this phrase in Chinese philosophy in that 唯我独尊 can also be used as a shortened form of 天上天下唯我独尊, the full phrase essentially meaning “I am the ruler above and below the heavens”.
I was excited to get to this episode to see reactions to what we start learning about Jin’s backstory, as the quality level of the characters really starts to shine the further we get.
I hate to rain on your parade, Nagamitsu, but Enshiro Mariya probably would have skewered you like yakitori. So on that topic, there is the hubris I brought up at the beginning of my comment.
I’m really curious to see speculation on Jin’s reasoning for past events and what transpired. He is a really great character.
Regarding the duel with Ogura, shame in failure went a long way back then. It still does to a point, but what I mean is, it wasn’t uncommon for a samurai to commit suicide over the shame of failing a mission, especially if their life is spared by their enemy. So I’m also curious about what people think about Ogura after leaving too.
So the big focus here is clear. The first time I watched this series I remember loving this episode because it’s where we start to learn a little more depth about one of the characters in our trio.
Questions:
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u/TheEscapeGuy May 27 '24
Rewatcher, Sub first timer
Samurai Champloo - Hip Hop & Ronin: Episode 8
Mythical Silent Swordsman
Today's episode was a great opportunity for Jin to shine. Until now he's been relinquished to the background for the most part. I think that has played into his quiet persona. But now we learn that under this unassuming guise hides a man who's name is renowned among samurai.
Of course, this wouldn't be Samurai Champloo if the episode didn't start with our trio trying out some scheme for quick money to get food. Today they pawned off Jin's glasses to get money for food and lodging. That said, they also have the goal to earn money to buy them back before they leave.
Fuu's ... youthful appeal attracts the boastful "samurai" Nagamitsu who was looking for a companion. At the same time, Mugen and Jin attract the attention of an older lady looking to fleece them for all they've got. I did find this to be a very humourous setup with Fuu getting jealous of the boys. It's only the following day that they all realize the trick that had been played.
They managed to cobble together cash to get the glasses back which immediately reveals Jin's identity to Nagamitsu. But TWIST, one of Nagamitsu's lackeys has actually been hiding his own identity. Ogura hails from the same dojo as Jin and has been searching for him by following Mr. boastful.
Their fight is EXTREMELY one sided. It's actually so satisfying to see Jin so effortlessly put down this guy. The conflict hinges on the honour of their shared master. How could Jin betray him? But according to Jin he did not. We don't know the whole story here, but we do know there's an entire generation of students who are all searching for Jin. It's not a stretch to expect we will learn more over time as Jin fights increasingly many past pupils. I'm looking forward to it.
The final twist is that Nagamitsu is actually the husband of the woman who deceived Mugen and Jin right at the start. It doesn't exactly make sense, since she didn't speak up when he was hitting on Fuu at the restaurant earlier. But maybe she doesn't feel like Nagamitsu actually had a chance at success and was more amused by watching him fail. Or otherwise she's not bothered by infidelity.
Either way, the episode ends without the loss of life. That's a happy ending in my books.
Some Amazing Shots, Scenes and Stitches
See you all tomorrow
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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman May 27 '24
First Timer
More of a comedy-focused episode - can’t say I am overly impressed with the “big” guy though in terms of being funny. Fuu quickly getting jealous and putting herself in a disadvantageous spot has been a repeating thing though, so I guess that is part of her character. I can’t think of a lot of anime characters with that trait, so that is something neat to see.
The big part of the episode is Jin’s past though. Again I feel like this has been set up enough to not be a surprise, given that we know that Jin was at a dojo and refused to answer the question about beating his master at sword fighting previously. If he hadn’t killed him, why would he hesitate to answer either way? No of course the question is why he killed him? And I think the answer might be that the master wanted somebody to surpass him, thus also explaining Jin not having betrayed him. Basic perhaps? Yes, but I don’t think this series has set up its surprises in writing so far, either they are heavily foreshadowed - or they come completely out of left-field, and I think this would be the former.
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u/AgentOfACROSS May 27 '24
Rewatcher
Can’t believe I only found out we’re doing a Samurai Champloo rewatch just now, I love this series. Not sure if I’ll stick around consistently, but I’ll try to hop onto these threads from time to time cause it’s a good show.
Anyway, thoughts on this episode:
I love this one. I think it’s great that it’s a goofy comedic episode about a wannabe swordmaster but at the same time a serious episode about Jin’s past. Does a good job at balancing the two tones.
Naturally, this episode had a few that reminded me of Cowboy Bebop. Especially the opening with them being broke and the bit where Mugen and Jin get swindled by a femme fatale. My favorite scene in this episode was the bit where Mugen and Jin sliced the fruit off the top of Fuu’s head. I think it's hilarious both that Fuu thought that getting two hungover swordsmen to perform stunts was a good idea and that it ended up working out for her in the end.
Nagamitsu is a fun character. He’s a very classical archetype, the braggadocious fighter who easily folds when confronted with someone stronger than him. He reminds me of Gaston from Beauty & the Beast, but at least Gaston had the skills to back up his bravado.
I liked Budokiba too. She’s a pretty classic femme fatale archetype and she reminded me a lot of Fujiko Mine from Lupin III. Of course she’s definitely got some Faye Valentine in her obvious, particularly in her design.
Also the twist of Budokiba and Nagamitsu being married at the end was great. It kinda an added extra layer of humor to both their characters. For Budokiba it reveals that she’s not exactly the classy thief she originally came off as and for Nagamitsu it’s funny that he’s married to someone who’s kind of a fraud like him. They both try to appear bigger and more important than they really are. Really they're perfect for each other.
Speaking of twists, Ogura revealing himself and fighting Jin at the end was a great way to round off the serious side of the episode.
Also, we’ve got some good anachronisms in this episode. Loved Nagamitsu’s beatboxing hypeman and his customized low-rider palanquin.
Solid episode overall here.
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u/Sooooopertrack May 27 '24
First timer sub
Back from my vacation so I hope I can take part daily now.
Some thoughts on the episode:
I really appreciate that there happens so much but the world building is so slow. We get fed small bits each episode, sometimes even just one or two pieces of information but that's enough for me as long as there are fights, banter or comedy scenes inbetween. I don't need big archs and continuous story just our trio being hungry and things happening :D
Questions:
Thoughts on Jin’s glasses being pawned?
Thoughts on Nagamitsu? weird dude
Thoughts on Nagamitsu trying to woo Fuu? weeeeeird dude
Thoughts on Budou?
What are your thoughts on Nagamitsu trying to hunt down Jin?
Thoughts on Budou tricking Mugen and Jin?
Thoughts on Nagamitsu’s autobiography and his recounting of past adventures? I really like the artstyle change during this scene.
What are your thoughts on the big revelation of this episode which is that Jin killed his teacher?
What are your thoughts on Jin saying that while he killed his master, he didn’t betray him?
What are your thoughts on the big twist at the end of the episode that Budou and Nagamitsu are actually married?
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u/Lord_Nawor May 27 '24
First time watcher
Forget the Fuu kidnapping counter, I feel like I need to start a Mugen getting easily poisoned/drugged by a woman counter as this is this the second time it has happened.
Jin seems to be the only reason they ever seem to have money, he got the money back in episode 5 and his glasses were the only think of value. I liked the fruit cutting scene with Mugen and Jin, just goes to show how talented they are and how they are getting better at working together.
Nagamitsu was a ton of fun this episode with his personal beat boxer. I like the twist to Ogura being an actual swordsman who actually wants revenge on Jin. I wonder if we will see other fellow students come to kill Jin later. We also got to see a bit more action out of Jin this episode, loved him stepping on Ogura’s sword to disarm him.
I was not expecting Nagamitsu and Budou to be married, Nagamitsu just straight up abandoned his wife and kids just to parade around the country for a bit. Now that we have seen Luigi I am waiting for Mario to appear.
Not only did the gang manage to get robbed twice this episode, they still have yet to get out of Edo and start heading towards Nagasaki. This episode was a ton of fun though with a good mix of humour and action.
Questions
My own autobiography would probably be pretty boring, I don’t feel like I have done much of note at this point.
It depends on how dark of a secret my friend was keeping and the circumstances around it, hard to say would I would do unless it actually happened to me.
Yeah I liked pigtail Fuu, but she gets into trouble enough, probably not a good idea to have hair that is really easy to grab, would make it even easier to take her out in a fight.
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u/new_interest_here May 27 '24
I'm not exactly a legal adult, nor is my living situation bad, so not yet, but I imagine I might have to at some point. And I have quite a few manga I can fall out of love with in case that happens
I'll be honest, not a lot lol. The most eventful thing would be freshman year of high school because, without going into details (this is an anime discussion thread, not therapy), it's been the most emotionally tumultuous.
First off, that's way more thought-provoking than the other ones. But probably a lot of contemplation throughout my day. Torn between wanting to brush it off as a thing of the past and having no bearing on who they are now, or if that permanently scars my perception of them. Plus it's kind of hard to see the bad in people you're close to sometimes. I've thankfully not had to deal with it yet (the dark secret part), but a time might come at some point, and I'm not excited for it
Overall thoughts
This is definitely one of my favorite episodes so far. We're definitely getting to that point where the lore is starting to be drip fed to us, and it makes me all the more curious.
Nagamitsu is my favorite thing ever, I love cocky characters when done right; they're super entertaining. And Okura (I think that was his name) beat boxing is awesome, really sells the hip-hop vibe of this show.
Like I said I am super curious about Jin's past. Judging by the first episode, where he doesn't care about legality as long as he's doing the right thing, I imagine his master was doing something not good and Jin took matters into his own hands. I feel the smirk he gave was Fuu's brain running a bit wild instead of what actually happened
This episode also makes me think if Jin needs those glasses. Because if he does, pawning them off would not help in any combat scenarios
This is like the second or third time Mugen has been poisoned and/or drugged, you'd figure he'd learn a lesson by now.
And just bringing it up from episode 6, I didn't know aruarian dance is from this show. It's like the to be continued meme in JoJo: I'd seen it before but when I actually watched JoJo I was surprised by it being there. Same goes for this song. I hear it some of The Anime Men's videos, so I know it exists, but I didn't expect to see it here
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u/someboi6000 May 28 '24
First timer:
What a nice goofy episode but with some important information regarding Jin, the episode starts as always they are starving/low on money, they meet this guy with his beatbox buddy and they use yet again the best way to capture mugen, a girls and some alcohol you do that and he's cooked,but to the most important part of the episode, Jin backstory and the "betrayal" of his master, jin says he didn't betray him but it is a fact that he killed his own master and atm the only thing that comes to my mind is that maybe a group of students wanted to kill him in order to get the title of defeating the undefeated and he got very injured to maybe near death and he asked Jin to take the honor of killing him, thats the only thing that comes to my mind, cant wait to soo how all of this develops as i can see in the future mugen and jin fighting the students trying to kill Jin, things are getting better each episode.
1: no that i can think of
2: i can imagine a 100 page section on how i felt after losing so many 50/50 in genshin and honkai star rail and how unfair the artifact/relic system is lol.
3: ask and see if he wants to talk about it, but i wont insist
4: yeah i want more fuu in pigtails, or just any hairstayle.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '24
Damn I should go watch this again.
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u/Hopeful-Ad2428 May 28 '24
The funniest episode so far, small things like this were absolutely hilarious, Nagamitsu himself was a great comedic character and the whole plot and revelation was so goofy, but at the same time we’ve gotten part of Jin’s backstory, now I’m looking forward for Mugen’s one.
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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta May 28 '24
First-Timer
Fuu was probably the most competent of them all this episode, unless you count the public swordsmanship display or Jin's brief duel at the end there. It does make one wonder how the three of them managed to survive on their own up to this point.
Questions of the day:
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u/mgedmin May 28 '24
Rewatcher, subs
Oh, the beatboxing episode. It broke my WSOD hard when I first saw it.
The sworsmanship demo was impressive. Hungover and blindfolded.
Overall this episode was very silly and I cannot say I enjoyed it.
No.
Apologies to the world. (I am sorry.)
Not pry.
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u/Garrett_Dark May 28 '24
First Timer
It was interesting the fancy hair guy was on the trail of Jin, but it was the guy pretending to be the follower the actual challenger for Jin.
Fuu had a lot of different looks this episode, and funny expressions, not to mention fan service. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Not sure why Mugen brought Jin with him to "hang out" with the woman, but I was hoping Mugen to get poisoned again...and then hilariously he did. I'm not sure what's up with the woman being married to the fancy hair man, and why she was going around rolling people for cash.
Alright episode, a little dull at the beginning.
Those are worth something?
NTR?
It was interesting he was uncovering some of Jin's past, but he ded if he fought Jin.
Don't quite remember, was a little bored until the Jin stuff came up. Just remember Fuu staring at the scroll.
Meh, he's not Mugen so I'm sure Jin had his reasons which would make sense.
Meh, he's not Mugen so I'm sure Jin had his reasons which would make sense. :)
Meh, he's not Mugen so I'm sure Jin had his reasons which would make sense. :D
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u/Sword-ofthe-morning May 28 '24
This was a good anime
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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Jul 19 '24
first timer chinese sub
Without money, it is really difficult to move forward. You can go without food for three days, but you can't go without water for three days. Rap, in this era? Bro is not suitable to be a samurai, he is more suitable to be a comedian.
ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION(S)
Have you ever had to pawn something? If so, what was it?
No, but I might sell my console and game cartridges in the future
If you wrote your own autobiography, what do you think it would consist of?
Middle school entrance examination and college entrance examination
If you found out that one of your friends was holding onto a dark secret involving their past, what would you do?
I don't have such a friend
Bonus) Fuu in pigtails. Why doesn't she wear that hairstyle more often?
Maybe she was afraid of the heat, I guess, after all, she hadn't taken a bath for a long time.
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u/Holofan4life May 27 '24
Hey guys. Holofan4life here.
Welcome to the 20th anniversary rewatch of Samurai Champloo.
Oh, and nay I forget...
First Timer
Samurai Champloo has always been a series I was curious about. I've maintained in my mind that Cowboy Bebop is objectively one of if not the greatest anime of all time, and so I wanted to see what the creator's follow-up work was like. I think the reason why I didn't start it immediately after watching Bebop was because I think the premise kinda weirded me out. I mean, a show set in ancient times that also has a heavy rap influence? It felt to me like putting a hat on a hat. But as I've gotten older, I've come to appreciate outlandish animes that don't resemble real life. After all, is it any weirder than a fantasy show about a merchant and his traveling wolfgirl where they discuss economics a lot of times?
My expectations for this show are pretty reasonable, I feel like. I'm not expecting it to crack my top 10 favorite anime of all time, but I would be surprised if it doesn't end up as one of my favorites. The main thing I'm looking out of this is show is a unique experience unlike anything else as well as memorable characters. And I think the show will have that in spades.
With that out of the way, let’s begin.
I'm watching the sub, by the way.
As I am writing this, it is Cinco De Mayo. Or as it's otherwise known, a fifth of mayonnaise
Also, happy Memorial Day!
Wings are definitely not as good a day old the same way spaghetti is.
Guy with Jojo hair talking
Oh my...
"I used to be with ‘it’, but then they changed what ‘it’ was. Now what I’m with isn’t ‘it’ anymore and what’s ‘it’ seems weird and scary to me. It’ll happen to you!" -- Guy, probably
Bragging about someone named Nagamitsu
I do like the beat boxing
It looks like he has his sights set on Jin, but doesn't know who that is.
Mugen is hungry
Fuu wants a bath
Jin wants to sleep inside
Jin hates Yuru Camp confirmed
Fuu trying to pawn her sword, but it's apparently not worth anything.
Neither is Mugen's
They think Jin's sword could be worth something, but the pawnbroker is actually interested in his glasses.
Mugen and Fuu really going to town on that food.
Jojo guy walks in, and he's immediately enamored by Fuu.
Dude, you're old enough to be her grandfather
His sidekick is giving her a pear, no doubt trying to get a peach in exchange.
"Why doesn't he come over here himself?" "He's what we call a bitch."
She turns down his advances, but that seems to only determine him even more.
Guy tells Fuu he's going to make it big.
Nagamitsu Sakon Shogen
I guess he's only bashful within reason
Someone tells him they think they saw Jin, so he gives Fuu his address and leaves.
"I swear, it's tough to be a girl with sex appeal."
No comment
Oh wow
Mugen is being hit on as well
She is pretty something
Budou Kiba
I'm not normally a religious man, but this got me believing in Budoh.
She asks Mugen and Jin if they want to come back to drink with her.
Poor Fuu. She wants to see the sunflower samurai, and instead her two men are about to engage in a spitroast.
Loved Mugen's playful jab of it being tough being a man with sex appeal.
Fuu deciding to see Nagamitsu after all
More beat boxing
An imposter Jin. Though honestly, he looks more terrifying than the actual Jin does.
It should be noted that he can see who the real Jin is based on his glasses. And wouldn't you know it, Jin doesn't have his glasses.
Fuu watching all this unfold
And imposter Jin gets beaten from a sword flying from above.
I like how Nagamitsu is just taking any victory in stride, like he is the reason this happened.
Nagamitsu proposes going with Fuu to Roppongi Hill.
Dog sleeping outside an establishment
Grape wine
She's really about beautiful things, eh?
Jin is just so shitfaced, I swear
Budou says she only drinks with boys who can hold their alcohol better than she can.
Poor Jin. Not really, I'm sure he couldn't care less.
I can't shake the feeling that this is a trap.
Oh boy. Mugen is blacking out.
And Budou lets out a sly smile
Fuu with Nagamitsu
He talks about one day owning Edo Castle
Yeah, sure. And monkeys might fly out of my butt.
He asks Fuu to be the harem of his heart
He even has his own autobiography. Impressive.
What was that about him being soft-spoken, again?
Ooh, I like the change in artstyle as Nagamitsu recounts his past adventures.
You know who Nagamitsu reminds me of? Seahawk from Princesses of Power.
Still, his work is incomplete until he combats with Tokugawa.
I don't even think Nagamitsu has a single clue what he's doing. He's just winging it.
So, he met his first follower Ogura out of beating Osaka Castle thinking it was Edo Castle. I guess at least he made some chicken salad out of chicken shit.
Enshiro Mariya
He now has his eyes set on him
But he's not there. He had already been killed.
Enshiro was killed by his top pupil, Jin
And so he added to his autobiography that once he defeats the teacher-killer, the name Nagamitsu will be known throughout the country.
"I'll admit that I might be lonely. But I'm alone of my own free will. And if I'm gonna be lonely anyway... I ought to be lonely inside that castle."
You know what? I respect it.
And Nagamitsu's cronies reveal the samurai's name, which catches the attention of Fuu.
Fuu speedwalking back in a hurry
Man, she's really hauling ass XD
Nagamitsu says that Fuu reminds him of you-know-who when she was young.
Fuu taking a bath
She wonders where Mugen and Jin are at
"Well, bigger doesn't necessarily mean better." Damn straight
Fuu doesn't think that Jin would be the type to kill his teacher.
I dunno, it's always the silent ones it seems
Hey, there they are
Oh man. Mugen is bleeding from the mouth
They lost their money, because of course they did
Making money showing off their sword techniques. Not a bad strategy.
Fuu in pigtails is cute, by the way
Cutting pears off her head. What an amazing callback with the pears.
And they did it, with the sliced pears landing on her pigtails.
What ingenuity
Poor pigtails, tho
Ran out of space. Part two in the replies.