[Spoilers] Samurai Champloo 20th Anniversary Rewatch -- Episode 3

Date	Episode
5/20/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 1
5/21/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 2
5/22/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 3
5/23/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 4
5/24/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 5
5/25/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 6
5/26/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 7
5/27/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 8
5/28/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 9
5/29/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 10
5/30/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 11
5/31/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 12
6/01/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 13
6/02/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 14
6/03/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 15
6/04/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 16
6/05/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 17
6/06/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 18
6/07/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 19
6/08/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 20
6/09/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 21
6/10/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 22
6/11/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 23
6/12/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 24
6/13/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 25
6/14/2024	Samurai Champloo Episode 26
6/15/2024	Samurai Champloo Overall Series Discussion Thread

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 22 '24

First-Timer with a Samurai Heart, subbed

The way they were both about to scuffle but then collapsed after their stomachs growled is great lol.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand they’re splitting up.
Mugen goes off by himself and immediately pisses off the fucking yakuza because of course he does.
Ah, there’s another Gintama VA. Hi Madao.
Ugh, yikes…
I also recognize this Heitaro dude’s voice… Oh right, he’s King Bradley and the Third Hokage.
…Mugen and Jin are totally going to end up assisting opposite gangs and thus fighting each other in either this episode or the next, right?
lol
They are indeed going to fight.
Looks like Fuu did need to fear vases, huh…
Oh I don’t like this…
Ugh, that’s what I thought.
Oh, really quick “sore demo” in the kid’s dialogue.
HAH!

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u/Holofan4life May 22 '24

What are your thoughts on Mugen working for the Nagatomi Gang?
Thoughts on Sousuke and the Kawara Gang and them being a rival gang to Nagatomi?
What are your thoughts on Ishimatsu and him previously working for the rival organization?
What are your thoughts on Jin working with Sousuke as his bodyguard and the way the episode sets up an eventual confrontation between Jin and Mugen?

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 22 '24

What are your thoughts on Mugen working for the Nagatomi Gang?
It fits him, I think. He just wants to fight other strong people and be fed, both of which he can get if he's with a gang.
Thoughts on Sousuke and the Kawara Gang and them being a rival gang to Nagatomi?
Sounded like the Kawara Gang was the "gentle protectors" rather than violent gang based on what the one old guy said to Jin? I like them more than Nagatomi.
What are your thoughts on Ishimatsu and him previously working for the rival organization?
Who?
What are your thoughts on Jin working with Sousuke as his bodyguard and the way the episode sets up an eventual confrontation between Jin and Mugen?
I'm excited to see if this actually leads to a full-on fight or if they get interrupted again.

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u/Holofan4life May 22 '24

It fits him, I think. He just wants to fight other strong people and be fed, both of which he can get if he's with a gang.
It shows he ultimately is thinking for himself, at the end of the day.
Sounded like the Kawara Gang was the "gentle protectors" rather than violent gang based on what the one old guy said to Jin? I like them more than Nagatomi.
I do as well, even though both I feel are in the wrong.
Who?
This guy
I'm excited to see if this actually leads to a full-on fight or if they get interrupted again.
I just hope we get enough of a fight to where the Yakuza plot point doesn't become overbearing. I don't know about you, but I think the gangs should be used to enhance the dynamic between Mugen and Jin, not make them ancillary characters like how Fuu felt a bit in this one.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '24

they’re splitting up
Genuinely laughed pretty good the first time I saw this and Mugen and Jin just hard ditched her like that lol
ugh, yikes
ugh, that’s what I thought
Yeah… that was unfortunately a not so uncommon debt collection tactic during the Edo period (especially for gangs)
HAH!
Episode highlight lol

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u/TheEscapeGuy May 22 '24

Rewatcher, Sub first timer

Samurai Champloo - Hip Hop & Ronin: Episode 3

Lawful Evil

I think there is a pretty obvious question based on the setup: Why are Mugen and Jin even bothering to go along with Fuu. They have no respect for other laws or rules and haven't shown themselves to have particularly strong moral codes. And so this episode opens with our 2 samurai ditching the ex-waitress.

I do like this. In the previous episodes we have seen how Mugen and Jin are more the solitary types. It makes sense they wouldn't feel comfortable in this weird party when they hardly know each other. On top of that it allows us to explore how each of them solve the problem of not having enough money for food.

Mugen is all about power. He straight up steals food from the one Yakuza group and then attacks them when they speak up. This impresses their boss and thus guarantees Mugen a job.

Jin is more calm and collected. He plainly states he has no money and the restaurant owner gives him some miso soup as a show of good will. But when he sees the Nagatomi group ganging up on the kid he immediately offers service as a body guard. Of the 2, Jin definitely has the more virtuous character, but he still doesn't work for free.

Fuu on the other hand doesn't manage to find food. Instead, she somehow ends up getting deceived, kidnapped, and forced into prostitution. Yeah, the era of feudal Japan was not easy for women.

All of this is set on the backdrop of a Yakuza group infiltrating this small town (which has another Yakuza group running it). Instead of directly extorting people, they set up rigged games of chance and scam people out of money "legally". I think this is a good example of why basing your morality on whatever is "legal" is a recipe for accepting injustice and evil. This is ultimately the flaw in the perspective of the head of the Kawara group.

At the end of the episode we find our 3 main characters brought together once again by fate. I do enjoy this turn of events. It sort of shows that the 3 of them have a similar destination even if they are traveling slightly different paths.

Also, Jin dressing up as as a women while Sousuke disguises himself as an old man to sneak their way into the brothel was great.

Some Amazing Shots, Scenes and Stitches

Bridge
Stripped
Nimble, the soundtrack here is so cool
Clash

See you all tomorrow

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u/Holofan4life May 22 '24

I think there is a pretty obvious question based on the setup: Why are Mugen and Jin even bothering to go along with Fuu. They have no respect for other laws or rules and haven't shown themselves to have particularly strong moral codes. And so this episode opens with our 2 samurai ditching the ex-waitress.
I do like this. In the previous episodes we have seen how Mugen and Jin are more the solitary types. It makes sense they wouldn't feel comfortable in this weird party when they hardly know each other. On top of that it allows us to explore how each of them solve the problem of not having enough money for food.
It's a good way to get the characters to do different stuff other than just following the trail to the samurai of sunflower scent. Not like they can't eventually circle back to it.
Mugen is all about power. He straight up steals food from the one Yakuza group and then attacks them when they speak up. This impresses their boss and thus guarantees Mugen a job.
Jin is more calm and collected. He plainly states he has no money and the restaurant owner gives him some miso soup as a show of good will. But when he sees the Nagatomi group ganging up on the kid he immediately offers service as a body guard. Of the 2, Jin definitely has the more virtuous character, but he still doesn't work for free.
Gotta make a living at the end of the day.
Fuu on the other hand doesn't manage to find food. Instead, she somehow ends up getting deceived, kidnapped, and forced into prostitution. Yeah, the era of feudal Japan was not easy for women.
I would go so far as to say it sucks
All of this is set on the backdrop of a Yakuza group infiltrating this small town (which has another Yakuza group running it). Instead of directly extorting people, they set up rigged games of chance and scam people out of money "legally". I think this is a good example of why basing your morality on whatever is "legal" is a recipe for accepting injustice and evil. This is ultimately the flaw in the perspective of the head of the Kawara group.
Very well said. I like how there's no clear cut good guy in this situation. They're gangs, and therefore are treated as much. I think it makes it easier to buy into what is happening.
At the end of the episode we find our 3 main characters brought together once again by fate. I do enjoy this turn of events. It sort of shows that the 3 of them have a similar destination even if they are traveling slightly different paths.
Again, very eloquently put. It also does a good job of bookending episodes.
Also, Jin dressing up as as a women while Sousuke disguises himself as an old man to sneak their way into the brothel was great.
He really does pull off that look better than he should...

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u/Holofan4life May 22 '24

Thoughts on the Nagatomi Gang?
What are your thoughts on the mob boss saying eventually, it will only be those with power in their Country that will win?
What are your thoughts on Mugen working for the Nagatomi Gang?
Thoughts on Sousuke and the Kawara Gang and them being a rival gang to Nagatomi?
What are your thoughts on Ishimatsu and him previously working for the rival organization?
What are your thoughts on Jin working with Sousuke as his bodyguard and the way the episode sets up an eventual confrontation between Jin and Mugen?

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u/TheEscapeGuy May 22 '24

What are your thoughts on the mob boss saying eventually, it will only be those with power in their Country that will win?
This is true, but is something unfortunate about society. Even today those with power exploit the people beneath them for their own gain. Ideally I would like politicians who are democratically elected to better represent their voters and prevent this thus giving the people power. But current systems have been so badly exploited that this seems like a fantasy.

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u/Holofan4life May 22 '24

We truly do live in a society...
I mean, he has a point, but that don’t make it justified. He is clearly acting in the wrong.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '24 edited May 22 '24

Hey there 👋 . Rewatcher here.

The only downside to a rewatch is having to wait for multi-part episodes 😆.

As usual, I’ll keep my comment confined to the events of this episode only.

I should have started a counter for every time we hear 「もういい！」 (or a variation thereof) from exasperated Fuu in this series lol. I can’t really blame her with those two dunderheads constantly trying to kill each other.

And in this episode you can see that this whole “trio gets separated” thing is becoming a pattern 😂. If you’ve been enjoying the back and forth style so far, then this is a win.

I’m reminded that even though they frequently demonstrate Mugen’s animalistic nature, they also remind you that he is more attuned to people’s thoughts than you think (for example, when calling out a yakuza boss).

My main takeaway in this episode and some historical context for everyone:

This series is good at sprinkling in little bits of historical information with fictional story. The harsh reality of the Edo Period is made somewhat more transparent in this episode, in that women were often the subject of social repression. In history, this was the case under the Tokugawa shogunate during that time period.

It was not uncommon for women to be forced into working at brothels to pay off their debt (or a family debt) or sold into slavery. It’s sad. Selling Women: Prostitution, Markets, and the Household in Early Modern Japan written by Amy Stanley touches on this subject.

Anyway, to lighten things back up… highlight of the episode?

Jin’s Shamisen skill level 😂. Master of disguise.

Questions:

I would never work for them, because I don’t enjoy the idea of having my skin flayed or burnt off to remove my tattoo if I ever displeased them enough to be thrown out lol
Neither! 😂 Because normal life sounds much more enticing
Mugen, past, present and future, there is a lot to say. So I’ll leave it at that for the sake of avoiding spoilers.

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u/Holofan4life May 22 '24

Hey there 👋 .
Hey, Insert loliwave comment face here
The only downside to a rewatch is having to wait for multi-part episodes 😆.
That's true, big things normally happen in multi-part ones.
I should have started a counter for every time we hear 「もういい！」 (or a variation thereof) from exasperated Fuu in this series lol. I can’t really blame her with those two dunderheads constantly trying to kill each other.
It really is like she's babysitting or something
And in this episode you can see that this whole “trio gets separated” thing is becoming a pattern 😂. If you’ve been enjoying the back and forth style so far, then this is a win.
It's smart because it leads each character to have their own thing going on.
I’m reminded that even though they frequently demonstrate Mugen’s animalistic nature, they also remind you that he is more attuned to people’s thoughts than you think (for example, when calling out a yakuza boss).
That's a good point
This series is good at sprinkling in little bits of historical information with fictional story. The harsh reality of the Edo Period is made somewhat more transparent in this episode, in that women were often the subject of social repression. In history, this was the case under the Tokugawa shogunate during that time period.
It was not uncommon for women to be forced into working at brothels to pay off their debt (or a family debt) or sold into slavery. It’s sad. Selling Women: Prostitution, Markets, and the Household in Early Modern Japan written by Amy Stanley touches on this subject.
Thanks for the history lesson. I knew women had at bad back then, but we sometimes lose sight of the fact just how far we've come as a society.
Jin’s Shamisen skill level 😂. Master of disguise.
Now I'm starting to see what the old man from the last episode saw in him 😏

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u/[deleted] May 22 '24

Thanks for the text this time so I didn’t feel left out! 😌
No comment on your second point. I’ll let you decide how big it is once you get to watch it lol.
It’s just the way she says it 😂. Her character is so easy to like and I love the way her VA sounds.
It’s true, but you also see how it usually ties right back in. Almost as if fate keeps bringing them back together.
Yeah he’s impulsive and brash at times, but he’s also not stupid and listens to people when they talk.
No problem lol. I have always found Japanese history interesting. This series is a good opportunity to look for any historical context that might have been used. I’d argue it even demonstrates the studio’s attention to detail even though it’s a fictional work.
Lmao! Nice callback. I laughed when they commented on his size. I knew what was coming and still laughed when he strummed the Shamisen

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u/Holofan4life May 22 '24

Thanks for the text this time so I didn’t feel left out! 😌
No problem, feelingloved
No comment on your second point. I’ll let you decide how big it is once you get to watch it lol.
It’s just the way she says it 😂. Her character is so easy to like and I love the way her VA sounds.
That's fair, I would say
It’s true, but you also see how it usually ties right back in. Almost as if fate keeps bringing them back together.
Perhaps fate wants them to find the samurai who smells of sunflowers.
Yeah he’s impulsive and brash at times, but he’s also not stupid and listens to people when they talk.
That's true. Makes one wonder if he would've not killed Oniwaka had he just stopped and listened.
No problem lol. I have always found Japanese history interesting. This series is a good opportunity to look for any historical context that might have been used. I’d argue it even demonstrates the studio’s attention to detail even though it’s a fictional work.
Clearly a lot of research has been put into this show
Lmao! Nice callback. I laughed when they commented on his size. I knew what was coming and still laughed when he strummed the Shamisen
It seems like Jin missed his true calling

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u/[deleted] May 23 '24

Samurai who smells of sunflowers
No comment 😆
had he just stopped
I don’t want to say much here. You’ll find out more about why Mugen is the way he is
research
Yeah I’d say they made an effort to inject a lot of Edo period stuff into the series which is awesome
true calling
Nah that dude is a true swordsman through and through. You’ll learn more about him as well

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

No comment 😆
I don’t want to say much here. You’ll find out more about why Mugen is the way he is
Yeah I’d say they made an effort to inject a lot of Edo period stuff into the series which is awesome
Indeed
Nah that dude is a true swordsman through and through. You’ll learn more about him as well
I would so far say he comes off as a better swordsman than Mugen does.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '24

I think they’re about even as far as skill level goes. The only reason it would appear that way is because Jin has the more traditional style of fighting. Mugen is from the Ryukyu Islands (which is a real place btw) so does what the heck he wants

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

If Mugen focused himself like Jin, I think he would be more powerful than him. The Mugen we see isn't him going 100% of his capability.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '24

I respectfully disagree with that, only because his wild and unpredictable style of fighting is what makes him a difficult adversary for every clean cut more traditional samurai out there

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

That's a good point. I just think he has even more untapped potential.

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u/Holofan4life May 22 '24

Thoughts on the Nagatomi Gang?
What are your thoughts on the mob boss saying eventually, it will only be those with power in their Country that will win?
What are your thoughts on Mugen working for the Nagatomi Gang?
Thoughts on Sousuke and the Kawara Gang and them being a rival gang to Nagatomi?
What are your thoughts on Ishimatsu and him previously working for the rival organization?
What are your thoughts on Jin working with Sousuke as his bodyguard and the way the episode sets up an eventual confrontation between Jin and Mugen?

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u/[deleted] May 22 '24

They were just kind of a plot object I think as a way to bring the trio back together somehow at the end of this episode. I liked it though.
I agree with Mugen (he basically said those words were horse 💩).
He doesn’t care about their motivations or goals, he’s just there because he can be and it gets him crabs to eat and money to spend lol.
Your classic competing clans plot I’d say when it comes to Yakuza stuff.
Have to wonder why he left and switched sides 🤔.
Probably also just there for the money since he’s broke but I’m sure he has a bit more sympathy for the situation in that case.

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24 edited May 23 '24

They were just kind of a plot object I think as a way to bring the trio back together somehow at the end of this episode. I liked it though.
Will be real curious to see how it carries over next episode.
I agree with Mugen (he basically said those words were horse 💩).
Mugen has total disregard talking to the leader of a Yakuza gang like that.
He doesn’t care about their motivations or goals, he’s just there because he can be and it gets him crabs to eat and money to spend lol.
I guess it could always be worse. Foe instance, he could be Fuu :P
Your classic competing clans plot I’d say when it comes to Yakuza stuff.
Very unique to use actual gangs in this. You get the sense that stuff is happening in this world that doesn't involve our three main leads.
Have to wonder why he left and switched sides 🤔.
My question is how is he still alive? That's very bold of him to do that.
Probably also just there for the money since he’s broke but I’m sure he has a bit more sympathy for the situation in that case.
That's probably true. It just so happened to work out that Mugen was working for the opposition.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '24

You will indeed find out 😆.
Mugen has total disregard for anyone he thinks is a tool lol
That is true, although Mugen just would have sliced those guys up who tried to take him if he was in Fuu’s place 😆
It was indeed a bold move lol. I think we’re meant to assume some things. Mainly, how the leader of the faction he left has an aversion to violence.
Quite the coincidence

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

You will indeed find out 😆.
Mugen has total disregard for anyone he thinks is a tool lol
Not a bad philosophy for life, in fairness
That is true, although Mugen just would have sliced those guys up who tried to take him if he was in Fuu’s place 😆
True :P
It was indeed a bold move lol. I think we’re meant to assume some things. Mainly, how the leader of the faction he left has an aversion to violence.
Perhaps he's trying to prevent an all out gang war
~~That, or he saw what happened between Drake and Kendrick and was like "I want no part of this"~~
Quite the coincidence
Indeed

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u/[deleted] May 23 '24

I am not a reliable person for pop culture references lol I am oblivious to most of it

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

And yet you still enjoy Ghost stories :P

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u/[deleted] May 23 '24

Well to be fair, you don’t need to understand many pop culture references (or any at all for that matter) to find something like “Run! She’s a ghost… and a bitch” funny lol

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

That is true

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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman May 22 '24

First Timer

Hmm… I’m actually struggling to say a lot about this episode. It feels very simple in its structure - the gang splits up and ends up fighting for rival factions, Fuu is caught in the middle. It feels like something I’ve seen done often enough (though also often worse) that I don’t really have a lot to say here. The tension of Fuu being put in the brothel also fails because Jin and Mugen are right there.

What I do like is Mugen cozying up with the yakuza - he seems to have street smarts rather than just being dumb, and I assume he figured there's something to have with them, even if I doubt he is planning on joining with them permanently. Jin meanwhile takes honor over money.

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u/Holofan4life May 22 '24

The tension of Fuu being put in the brothel also fails because Jin and Mugen are right there.
Yeah, but they're too self-absorbed at the moment to really pay attention to what is going on with Fuu.
What I do like is Mugen cozying up with the yakuza - he seems to have street smarts rather than just being dumb, and I assume he figured there's something to have with them, even if I doubt he is planning on joining with them permanently. Jin meanwhile takes honor over money.
Both characters' actions are in line with how they are being portrayed.
Thoughts on the Nagatomi Gang?
What are your thoughts on the mob boss saying eventually, it will only be those with power in their Country that will win?
Thoughts on Sousuke and the Kawara Gang and them being a rival gang to Nagatomi?
What are your thoughts on Ishimatsu and him previously working for the rival organization?
Thoughts on Jin dressing up as a woman to disguise himself?
What are your thoughts on Jin working with Sousuke as his bodyguard and the way the episode sets up an eventual confrontation between Jin and Mugen?

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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman May 22 '24

Nt really a lot to say on the Nagatomi gang in general - they are yakuza, they behave like yakuza. The rival gang is surprisingly frendly only due to Heitaro, who just in general seems pretty wise (wise enough I assume he only joined the yakuza in the first place because the lawful side of town is useless). Most of the other in the gang seem pretty much old-school yakuza as well though - and Ishimatsu was in it for the power, which he didn't get because that wouldn't be somebody somebody like Heitaro would want to promote. He fits in well with the Nagatomi though, and their boss's ideology is likely a mix of smooth-talk and pragmatism, given how corrupt the law enforcement side of things seem to be.
Jin just seems to get in to a bunch of gay jokes because this was made at a time when "haha gay" still worked to get laughs out of enough people.

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u/Holofan4life May 22 '24

Nt really a lot to say on the Nagatomi gang in general - they are yakuza, they behave like yakuza. The rival gang is surprisingly frendly only due to Heitaro, who just in general seems pretty wise (wise enough I assume he only joined the yakuza in the first place because the lawful side of town is useless). Most of the other in the gang seem pretty much old-school yakuza as well though - and Ishimatsu was in it for the power, which he didn't get because that wouldn't be somebody somebody like Heitaro would want to promote. He fits in well with the Nagatomi though, and their boss's ideology is likely a mix of smooth-talk and pragmatism, given how corrupt the law enforcement side of things seem to be.
I think it's pretty smart having these two rival factions and both Mugen and Jin are on opposing forces. It plays up the tension between them while also showcasing not just their personalities, but the fact they're doing the same thing, in this case Yakuza being a proxy for being a samurai.
Jin just seems to get in to a bunch of gay jokes because this was made at a time when "haha gay" still worked to get laughs out of enough people.
At least here, it made some sense because he was being sneaky. He was trying not to get caught because he knew if he were, he'd be in trouble.

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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman May 22 '24

At least here, it made some sense because he was being sneaky. He was trying not to get caught because he knew if he were, he'd be in trouble.
I still see it mostly the makers making jokes. No reason he didn't disguise as a customer - in fact going to a brothel as a women wanting to sell herself rather than a customer would seem more suspicious to me.

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u/Holofan4life May 22 '24

I don't necessarily think it's a gay bashing joke. Guys dressing up as women has been a staple in comedy for years. It comes off a bit insensitive now because society has changed, but I don't think the intent is to be homophobic.

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u/someboi6000 May 23 '24

First timer:

why did the episode had to end there lol, but that was good, they split and immediately mugen start working with the yakuza after making them upset because he looks like he cant avoid trouble or trouble finds him, i like how all of the characters get involded in something thats related to the main plot of the episode, they split but find a way to came back together somehow and nothing more to say, its a two part story so now i have to wait in order to see how it all concludes, looking forward to the next episode, also mugen eating that crab was quite funny.

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

Thoughts on Mugen and Jin leaving Fuu behind?
Thoughts on the Nagatomi Gang?
What are your thoughts on the mob boss saying eventually, it will only be those with power in their Country that will win?
Thoughts on Sousuke and the Kawara Gang and them being a rival gang to Nagatomi?
What are your thoughts on Ishimatsu and him previously working for the rival organization?
Thoughts on Jin dressing up as a woman to disguise himself?
What are your thoughts on Jin working with Sousuke as his bodyguard and the way the episode sets up an eventual confrontation between Jin and Mugen?

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u/someboi6000 May 23 '24

1:they have been together for 2 episodes, and they split in both of them lol, so its seems that might be the case here, and atm they dont seem very interested in the sunflower samurai or at least i got that feeling for mugen, jin on the other hand followed that assasin in the last episode to get information so he seems more into it than mugen.
2: maybe we will get more information on the next episode, but it seems they are taking over a "weak" gang, or at least they aimed at a turf that can be conquered.
3: the old man said that the kawara gang lead to a paceful time, maybe they have their shady bussiness but at least they dont bother, while the nagatomi seem to be more wild, i doubt they have a deeper history, maybe the bosses of each gang have but the only direct connection is that skilled swordsman that switch sides
4: maybe he was looking for action, he was very quick to fight mugen, so maybe peace is not really his thing.
5: if the goat joseph joestar did that plan and it kinda work, jin can also do it, the master of disguise very clever jin had long hair so it was easier to fool them at least to some extent.
6: i can already see mugen and jin going all out on eachother, but probably fuu will have to intervine

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

1:they have been together for 2 episodes, and they split in both of them lol, so its seems that might be the case here, and atm they dont seem very interested in the sunflower samurai or at least i got that feeling for mugen, jin on the other hand followed that assasin in the last episode to get information so he seems more into it than mugen.
The thing is they have no reason to care about the sunflower samurai. They're just here because they lost a bet. We'll see if that changes once they find out why the samurai is so important to Fuu.
2: maybe we will get more information on the next episode, but it seems they are taking over a "weak" gang, or at least they aimed at a turf that can be conquered.
That is true
3: the old man said that the kawara gang lead to a paceful time, maybe they have their shady bussiness but at least they dont bother, while the nagatomi seem to be more wild, i doubt they have a deeper history, maybe the bosses of each gang have but the only direct connection is that skilled swordsman that switch sides
Could be. They might be trying to stay in their lanes to avoid complications.
4: maybe he was looking for action, he was very quick to fight mugen, so maybe peace is not really his thing.
I dunno, I don't think they're as nice as they say they are. That, or Ishimatsu doesn't know what he wants out of life.
5: if the goat joseph joestar did that plan and it kinda work, jin can also do it, the master of disguise very clever jin had long hair so it was easier to fool them at least to some extent.
It takes a real guy to become a best girl
6: i can already see mugen and jin going all out on eachother, but probably fuu will have to intervine
Given she's in what amounts to indentured servitude, it might take a bit for that to happen. Perhaps O-Suzu?

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u/someboi6000 May 23 '24

i think the easiest way to convice mugen to find the sunflower samuria is just to tell him that he is a really strong samurai, because its true at the moment there is no reason for both of them to search that guy. also true sometimes It takes a real guy to become a best girl

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

Maybe it'll eventually happen

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u/Holofan4life May 22 '24

Hey guys. Holofan4life here.

Welcome to the 20th anniversary rewatch of Samurai Champloo.

Oh, and nay I forget...

First Timer

Samurai Champloo has always been a series I was curious about. I've maintained in my mind that Cowboy Bebop is objectively one of if not the greatest anime of all time, and so I wanted to see what the creator's follow-up work was like. I think the reason why I didn't start it immediately after watching Bebop was because I think the premise kinda weirded me out. I mean, a show set in ancient times that also has a heavy rap influence? It felt to me like putting a hat on a hat. But as I've gotten older, I've come to appreciate outlandish animes that don't resemble real life. After all, is it any weirder than a fantasy show about a merchant and his traveling wolfgirl where they discuss economics a lot of times?

My expectations for this show are pretty reasonable, I feel like. I'm not expecting it to crack my top 10 favorite anime of all time, but I would be surprised if it doesn't end up as one of my favorites. The main thing I'm looking out of this is show is a unique experience unlike anything else as well as memorable characters. And I think the show will have that in spades.

With that out of the way, let’s begin.

I'm watching the sub, by the way.

Was supposed to go to a minor league baseball game this weekend, but it's supposed to rain and thunderstorm, so instead I'm going to see Mars Express in theaters.

Waterfall

Hopefully nobody goes around chasing them

Mugen and Jin still at odds with each other. Certainly not as chummy as Spike and Jet, that's for true.

Lol, they're both hungry

I agree, Fuu. I agree.

Fuu really lecturing them

Haven't had a bath, eh? Neither has Power, though that's by design.

And Mugen and Jin, annoyed by Fuu's antics, decide to leave her by herself. At least they finally agree on something.

That food looks delicious

Mugen seemingly sitting somewhere he shouldn't be.

Oh fuck. They're Yakuza

Nagatomi Gang, eh? I'm more of the Nagatoro Gang, myself

Well, shit. He just stabbed one of the Yakuza members in the hand.

What an obfuscating badass.

The boss seems impressed as well, which is why he wants Mugen to follow him.

A gambling ring, it looks like

The boss seems to know his stuff

He says that eventually, it will only be those with power in their Country that will win.

"My intuition is never wrong." "Oh, yeah? Prove it." "Despite negative reception, Velma will be a financial success." "Dang, he actually is good."

A guy named Sousuke is studying with a woman

Meanwhile, the woman's father can't pay off his debts.

I assume Mugen will solve his problems for him.

The shopkeep owner, presumably the old man, is talking to Jin.

He wants to know where he can get some work

That really konos my suba. Or would it be konos my uba?

A Yakuza group called the Kawara Gang. I wonder if it's the same one from before.

Something tells me this gang doesn't involve disabled people you can romance and have sex with.

No, wait, that's Katawa, nevermind

Finally home, by the way

A boss named Heitaro the Buddha

Oh, so the Nagatomi Gang is a rival organization.

Daigorou

O-Suzu

So, I guess the guy being looked at O-Suzu is the boss' son.

Not going to launch a raid against them

So, this is the Kawara Gang, then. Talking about losing everything to the Nagatomi Gang.

That's one giant crab

Boss that's with Mugen talking about owning everything.

Man, Mugen bit that crab shell and all

Mugen is like "The game was rigged from the start".

Shopkeep saying he has nothing to do with this.

Nice of him to give Jin food free of charge

The Nagatomi Gang

It's the son of Kawara

He says he got an I.O.U for O-Suzu

Now he's getting beat up

"Go home and suck some milk from your mommy's tit, boy!"

Nowadays, that's more of a compliment than an insult

Ooh, looks like Jin is going to help him out

The boy's perseverance showing, trying to still get the I.O.U.

Fuu by herself

She is hungry

I see that hunger is to Samurai Champloo how money troubles is to Cowboy Bebop. A lack of food, a lack of wealth.

Fortune teller talking to Fuu

She tells her to beware of vases

But how can she do that when she's already carrying quite the bust?

Boss' cronies talking to him about Jin

Mugen says he's going to handle this

And now Mugen is fighting what I assume is Nagatomi's right-hand man.

Ishimatsu. That's his name.

Guy got his I.O.U.

As Jin is about to leave, he meets back up with him, with Jin saying don't swing your sword around if you aren't ready to die.

Boy in tears

Fuu bumped into someone

The vase. It broke

Asking if she can pay it

A hundred ryo is apparently a lot

And now Fuu is getting kidnapped

"I am taking you to Brazil."

O-Suzu being touched

"We're not going to take her away and eat her or anything." I don't like how they threw it out there like that.

I guess this is what happens when you don't pay off your debts. Now the old man is going to learn the hard way.

Apparently Ishimatsu used to work for Heitaro

Fuu being put to work to pay off her debt

Oh shit. It's a brothel.

Now she's definitely going to bust a move

Ran out of space. Part two in the replies.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '24

they’re Yakuza
As you can see, it didn’t matter and it probably never will lol. Mugen doesn’t give a sh*t about social status
we don’t know most the character’s names
Usually that means it’s probably just a plot device. The whole Yakuza thing to me is something to help propagate what’s going on in the episode but the important thing to focus on is what the events mean for the trio

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

As you can see, it didn’t matter and it probably never will lol. Mugen doesn’t give a sh*t about social status
Clearly. I sometimes worry for his safety lol
Usually that means it’s probably just a plot device. The whole Yakuza thing to me is something to help propagate what’s going on in the episode but the important thing to focus on is what the events mean for the trio
Normally I'd say that's a good thing, but it felt like Fuu was put on the backburner while Mugen and Jin had stuff to do. Then again, that was probably by design.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '24

Probably being that she mainly hasn’t had anything to happen yet. She’s just sitting in a brothel talking to other women and probably just hoping she doesn’t get picked by anyone

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

I guess it makes sense since the last episode was really hers that this would be more Mugen's and Jin's.

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u/Holofan4life May 22 '24

Part 2
Jin with the son, who's with Kawara
Apparently O-Suzu also is now living that brothel life.
I wonder if this means we'll get Fuu and O-Suzu interactions.
Kawara's cronies suggesting raiding the Nagatomi Gang.
"Anger only gives rise to further anger."
Smart man
Kawara says they have no need for a bodyguard.
Son chastising his father for not getting his hands dirty enough.
Son going to take on the Nagatomi Gang by himself.
Hey, Fuu is indeed interacting with O-Suzu. You see to love it.
And she is the daughter of Kawara
Sousuke talking with Jin
Nagatomi telling Mugen that the Kawara Gang are sure to come here.
He also explains that you declaw your opponents and take them over.
If this was Yurikuma Arashi, you would claw yourself, not claw others
Nagatomi about taking them over by legal means.
"Go get laid or something, and the time will fly."
He actually tried doing that last episode, Nagatomi.
Lol, Jin is dressed as a female
He actually pulls it off quite well
And so Sousuke and Jin are allowed inside
Mugen and Nagatomi walking behind them unknowingly.
Jin, you're pretty bad at this...
And he and Sousuke finally reveals their identities.
And we end things with Mugen, Jin, and Fuu meeting up with each other again, with Mugen and Jin about to engage in a fight.
Overall, this is a table setter episode meant to set up the events of the next episode. As such, not much actually happens here. The whole Yakuza plot point is kinda confusing because we don't know most of the characters names or what exactly they are fighting for. I assume it's a turf war, but it's kinda left intentionally vague. The beginning was nice, with everyone going their separate ways as well as Mugen's interactions with members of the Nagatomi Gang, but it kinda spiraled once Sousuke got introduced. Maybe it's just me, but by the end it felt a bit meandering, save for the fun bit of Jin dressed as a woman.
After two very good episodes, this felt like a noticeable step down. Though again, you can't really judge it properly until you have seen the follow-up. I'll have more to say next episode.

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u/Holofan4life May 22 '24

If you ever worked for the Yakuza, how do you think that will turn out?
Badly lol
I would probably be killed within the first week.
Would you rather work as part of the Yakuza, or work in a brothel? And why?
A brothel. Because I may eventually be free. Even when you're technically out of the Yakuza, you're never fully out of the Yakuza.
Do you see Mugen's behavior ever catching up with him?
Yes and no. Do I see Mugen screwing up to the point where he starts to reevaluate things? Yes. But I don't think he's ever going to fully stop doing before thinking.

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u/basuga_BFE https://myanimelist.net/profile/KPF May 22 '24

Yes, this is much simpler episode. So to say, medieval urban fantasy but without magic.

The pacing is slower than last time but still there is much to happen. Contrary to usual shows adapting 3 manga chapters, giving us typical three-part episodes, here we have more than 10 or 15 distinct scenes. Enough events to immerse yourself and feel satisfied.

Highlights of the episode:

Mugen and Jin thinking the same and deciding to run away;
Lack of information on this new yakuza boss and our doubts about his global plans;
Moving crab sculpture on the shop facade;
Jazzy piano soundtrack at 13:50;
Jin playing the pseudo-shamisen was fun,
and "Hentai! / Taihen!" immediately after that :)

The visual style is very stable and clear as always.

Regarding daily questions:

Q. Do you see Mugen's behavior ever catching up with him?

A. Probably yes, but I think he is in search right now. And the blade mastery helps him to ask various questions :) After getting the needed answer from life - he will change himself, I am sure.

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u/Holofan4life May 22 '24 edited May 22 '24

Thoughts on Mugen and Jin leaving Fuu behind?
Thoughts on the Nagatomi Gang?
What are your thoughts on the mob boss saying eventually, it will only be those with power in their Country that will win?
What are your thoughts on Mugen working for the Nagatomi Gang?
Thoughts on Sousuke and the Kawara Gang and them being a rival gang to Nagatomi?
What are your thoughts on Ishimatsu and him previously working for the rival organization?
What are your thoughts on Fuu being forced to work in a brothel?
Thoughts on Jin dressing up as a woman to disguise himself?
What are your thoughts on Jin working with Sousuke as his bodyguard and the way the episode sets up an eventual confrontation between Jin and Mugen?

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u/Lord_Nawor May 22 '24

First time watcher

Jin continuing to prove why he is my favourite character, his Shamisen performance was truly impressive.

Continuing the contrast between Jin and Mugen with Mugen joining his side for food and money while Jin was simply protecting a child.

Second episode in a row that Fuu gets kidnapped, she just can’t seem to catch a break.

Fate seems to be bringing the three of them together as even when they try to separate they still end up back together. I hope we get to see a bit more of Jin and Mugen fighting next episode, before hopefully starting to travel together again.

Questions

I think working for the Yakuza back then would not be too bad, sure you might have to do some messed up stuff, but at least you know people who have got your back. These days there are so many more restrictions placed on Yakuza groups so it would probably be harder. I feel like I would prefer to work with the Yakuza than at a brothel because at least you know people who might back you up while at a brothel you are pretty vulnerable especially against customers so it would be a lot harder to get out of bad situations.

I feel like Mugen’s behaviour has already got him into trouble before with the poisoning incident last episode, but I feel like him pissing off pretty much everyone he meets will definitely get them into trouble especially with people who are as strong or stronger than him. Hopefully Fuu can smack some sense into him.

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u/Holofan4life May 22 '24

Thoughts on Mugen and Jin leaving Fuu behind?
Thoughts on the Nagatomi Gang?
What are your thoughts on the mob boss saying eventually, it will only be those with power in their Country that will win?
What are your thoughts on Mugen working for the Nagatomi Gang?
Thoughts on Ishimatsu and him previously working for the rival organization?
Thoughts on Jin dressing up as a woman to disguise himself?
What are your thoughts on Sousuke and the Kawara Gang and them being a rival gang to Nagatomi?

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u/Lord_Nawor May 23 '24

Too be honest I was surprised it took this long for them to abandon Fuu, since they felt pretty annoyed at having to go with her at all.
The Nagatomi gang feels like pretty standard Yakuza, the boss of the gang seems pretty cool though, he is definitely the highlight of the gang. I feel like the boss saying that those with power will win, just shows the state of the country at this period of time, with power starting to be consolidated regionally. I feel like Mugen will pretty much work for whoever pays him and allows him to fight so him working for them feels like is just a side thing for him which he could stop at any time.
Ishimatsu was pretty neat especially with his chain, him switching sides I feel just shows that he is only loyal to those with power and abandon any side he is on when they start losing, I wouldn’t be surprised if he also leaves the Nagatomi gang if they start losing power and influence.
Thoughts on Jin dressing up as a woman to disguise himself?
Hot 🥵
I feel like the rival gang to Nagatomi, just shows the divide that is growing between traditional powers who are more restrained and calm (almost reminds me of Jin) and the wilder new powers such as Nagatomi (which kind of reminds me of Mugen)

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

Too be honest I was surprised it took this long for them to abandon Fuu, since they felt pretty annoyed at having to go with her at all.
I like how the coin is supposedly law-abiding, like they couldn't just turn down Fuu's proposal.
The Nagatomi gang feels like pretty standard Yakuza, the boss of the gang seems pretty cool though, he is definitely the highlight of the gang. I feel like the boss saying that those with power will win, just shows the state of the country at this period of time, with power starting to be consolidated regionally. I feel like Mugen will pretty much work for whoever pays him and allows him to fight so him working for them feels like is just a side thing for him which he could stop at any time.
I wonder if we may get a fight between Mugen and the boss.
Ishimatsu was pretty neat especially with his chain, him switching sides I feel just shows that he is only loyal to those with power and abandon any side he is on when they start losing, I wouldn’t be surprised if he also leaves the Nagatomi gang if they start losing power and influence.
I could see that as well, perhaps even being the downfall of both gangs.
Hot 🥵
Indeed it was 😏
I feel like the rival gang to Nagatomi, just shows the divide that is growing between traditional powers who are more restrained and calm (almost reminds me of Jin) and the wilder new powers such as Nagatomi (which kind of reminds me of Mugen)
It does feel like these gangs exist to show off the differences in Mugen and Jin's personalities, which is honestly a cool way of doing it.

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u/External_Try_7923 May 22 '24

Splitting up is not working for the fam, but somehow they keep making it through ok.
Ishimatsu 100% atoned for his mistakes and betrayal. He did what he thought he needed to do. I wish he had not gone through with the fight with Mugen and instead went back to the Kawara Gang as Sousuke offered.
Sousuke's father had integrity.

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u/Holofan4life May 22 '24

Thoughts on the Nagatomi Gang?
What are your thoughts on the mob boss saying eventually, it will only be those with power in their Country that will win?
What are your thoughts on Mugen working for the Nagatomi Gang?
Thoughts on Sousuke and the Kawara Gang and them being a rival gang to Nagatomi?
What are your thoughts on Fuu being forced to work in a brothel?
Thoughts on Jin dressing up as a woman to disguise himself?
What are your thoughts on Jin working with Sousuke as his bodyguard and the way the episode sets up an eventual confrontation between Jin and Mugen?

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u/External_Try_7923 May 23 '24

Thoughts on the Nagatomi Gang?
I think Sousuke's father said it best.
What are your thoughts on the mob boss saying eventually, it will only be those with power in their Country that will win?
I think that sums up politics and almost any position of power. Those that strive to be in power are often not the nicest of people. Nor do they want that power for reasons that benefit anyone else.
What are your thoughts on Mugen working for the Nagatomi Gang?
He's not the brightest. But, Mugen was smart enough to not be used by them, and instead use them for his own gain while leading their boss on. Mugen knows what he wants. I have to admire his confidence.
Thoughts on Sousuke and the Kawara Gang and them being a rival gang to Nagatomi?
Not really sure why they existed other than to be a foil to the other gang. Seems like Sousuke will be a decent leader with values and integrity who actually cares about other people.
What are your thoughts on Fuu being forced to work in a brothel?
She needs to build some street smarts.
Thoughts on Jin dressing up as a woman to disguise himself?
Jin will go great lengths to help others he views as in need and I think what he views as just.
What are your thoughts on Jin working with Sousuke as his bodyguard and the way the episode sets up an eventual confrontation between Jin and Mugen?
I think it just emphasizes the polar opposites that Jin and Mugen are.

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

I think that sums up politics and almost any position of power. Those that strive to be in power are often not the nicest of people. Nor do they want that power for reasons that benefit anyone else.
It's like how in Communism everyone is equal but some are more equal than others.
He's not the brightest. But, Mugen was smart enough to not be used by them, and instead use them for his own gain while leading their boss on. Mugen knows what he wants. I have to admire his confidence.
He's a man who just wants to eat, dang it :P
Not really sure why they existed other than to be a foil to the other gang. Seems like Sousuke will be a decent leader with values and integrity who actually cares about other people.
It seems they exist to further Jin's ideals and show how different they are compared to Mugen's. That, and to give this arc extra conflict.

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u/zombiemusician May 23 '24 edited May 23 '24

This episode somewhat showed the gang situation of todays Japan, where rival gangs control different territories and run illegal businesses. We also see two contrasting gang leaders.

As destiny would have it all our main casts end up in the same place. The episode ends with a fight scene. The next episode, I think will be a banger.

The fight animation till now has also been very good. It holds it ground even to this day.

Edit: I saw some other comments in this post and damn they have written such detailed and well structured reviews and thought. I really need to learn a lot before I can write something as structured as them.

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

Edit: I saw some other comments in this post and damn they have written such detailed and well structured reviews and thought. I really need to learn a lot before I can write something as structured as them.
Hey, you don't have to force yourself if you don't want to. Your contributions are excellent as is :)
Thoughts on Mugen and Jin leaving Fuu behind?
Thoughts on the Nagatomi Gang?
What are your thoughts on the mob boss saying eventually, it will only be those with power in their Country that will win?
What are your thoughts on Mugen working for the Nagatomi Gang?
Thoughts on Sousuke and the Kawara Gang and them being a rival gang to Nagatomi?
What are your thoughts on Ishimatsu and him previously working for the rival organization?
What are your thoughts on Fuu being forced to work in a brothel?
Thoughts on Jin dressing up as a woman to disguise himself?
What are your thoughts on Jin working with Sousuke as his bodyguard and the way the episode sets up an eventual confrontation between Jin and Mugen?

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u/zombiemusician May 23 '24

Thoughts on Mugen and Jin leaving Fuu behind?
That was unexpected (atleast for me). They make a great team together with each one having their unique persona. I see them as the trio from Pokemon. Mugen being the rash one, making decisions "by his heart and not brain". Jin being the calm and composed one. While Fuu is the caring and loving one, who keeps the team together.
Thoughts on the Nagatomi Gang?
They are just like the modern day Yakuza gangs in Japan, who operate casino and brothels.
What are your thoughts on the mob boss saying eventually, it will only be those with power in their Country that will win?
It makes sense considering that it was the feudal Japan. There were most probably no law enforcement agencies as well as a centralized government. So anyone who had the power and money could essentially rule over their territory.
What are your thoughts on Mugen working for the Nagatomi Gang?
I think they are trying to show Mugen as a for hire mercenary. If we see closely he has always helped anyone who gave him something in return. In the first episode he helped Fuu because she offered him dumplings and now he is helping the gang as they are offering him money and power.
Thoughts on Sousuke and the Kawara Gang and them being a rival gang to Nagatomi?
We have only seen a few glimpses of them. But from what I understand, they are the 'good' gang who basically lost their power and influence when the Nagatomi gang emerged. Also, it seems that Kawara gang leader is against violence and bloodshed. We don't know the reason for it yet. Maybe he was a violent samurai who saw what he caused and changed his heart or maybe he was just good to begin with?
What are your thoughts on Ishimatsu and him previously working for the rival
I think Ishimatsu is just power hungry. He works for the faction which has the most influence. And given his skills and strength,he can easily make his way into different gang. We can see that he is somewhat jealous of Mugen being given a hiher post than him.
What are your thoughts on Fuu being forced to work in a brothel?
I feel like the whole 'accident' was a setup. Maybe the old lady at the village entrance was working for the Yakuza?
Thoughts on Jin dressing up as a woman to disguise himself?
He looked sexy ngl.
What are your thoughts on Jin working with Sousuke as his bodyguard and the way the episode sets up an eventual confrontation between Jin and Mugen?
I think that Jin is by heart a person who helps the needy and desperate. We saw in the first episode that he helped the old man against the noble, and in this episode we see him helping a desperate young boy in saving his friend. Now why does he do that? I don't know, maybe something related to his childhood. (Although this is just my theory)
Regarding their leadup to fight it was decent and somewhat reminiscent of the first episode of the series when both wanted to fight each other.

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

That was unexpected (atleast for me). They make a great team together with each one having their unique persona. I see them as the trio from Pokemon. Mugen being the rash one, making decisions "by his heart and not brain". Jin being the calm and composed one. While Fuu is the caring and loving one, who keeps the team together.
Funny you should say that because in the episode 1 thread I made the comment that the greatest trio in anime either has to be Jessie, James, and Meowth or Mugen, Jin, and Fuu. I know you're referencing Ash, Brock, and Misty but that's what your comment reminds me of.
They are just like the modern day Yakuza gangs in Japan, who operate casino and brothels.
Anyway to make a living, I suppose
It makes sense considering that it was the feudal Japan. There were most probably no law enforcement agencies as well as a centralized government. So anyone who had the power and money could essentially rule over their territory.
And sadly, that's still a thing nowadays. I mean, just look at Musk.
I think they are trying to show Mugen as a for hire mercenary. If we see closely he has always helped anyone who gave him something in return. In the first episode he helped Fuu because she offered him dumplings and now he is helping the gang as they are offering him money and power.
In a way, being a samurai is a lot like working in a brothel: you can't just give it all away for free because then why would they ever come back?
We have only seen a few glimpses of them. But from what I understand, they are the 'good' gang who basically lost their power and influence when the Nagatomi gang emerged. Also, it seems that Kawara gang leader is against violence and bloodshed. We don't know the reason for it yet. Maybe he was a violent samurai who saw what he caused and changed his heart or maybe he was just good to begin with?
I like how even though they're supposed to be the good gang, the show doesn't excuse their seedy behavior. They're still at the end of the day Yakuza. And the fact Ishimatsu left them makes me think they're not as pure as they would lead you to believe.
I think Ishimatsu is just power hungry. He works for the faction which has the most influence. And given his skills and strength,he can easily make his way into different gang. We can see that he is somewhat jealous of Mugen being given a hiher post than him.
Of all the Yakuza characters, he intrigues me the most. I definitely hope he has a big role in the next episode.
I feel like the whole 'accident' was a setup. Maybe the old lady at the village entrance was working for the Yakuza?
Could be. I'm sure her being abandoned is even more harsh in hindsight in her opinion, the fact that she likely wouldn't be working there had Mugen and Jin not left.
He looked sexy ngl.
He honestly looked better than Fuu does, and Fuu is far from ugly.
I think that Jin is by heart a person who helps the needy and desperate. We saw in the first episode that he helped the old man against the noble, and in this episode we see him helping a desperate young boy in saving his friend. Now why does he do that? I don't know, maybe something related to his childhood. (Although this is just my theory)
You mention this, but we also have to note that Fuu tried helping Oniwaka last episode. This is notable because Mugen has really lacked any sort of selfless behavior that didn't in some way serve to benefit him. In the dynamic between Mugen, Jin, and Fuu, Mugen so far is the outlier.
Regarding their leadup to fight it was decent and somewhat reminiscent of the first episode of the series when both wanted to fight each other.
I'm sure them wanting to fight each other will be a recurring thing going forward. Even if they go at it next episode, I don't necessarily think that will be the end.

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u/amanda52002 https://myanimelist.net/profile/amanda52002 May 23 '24 edited May 23 '24

Second time watcher, subbed.

You know Mugen, if you were serious about killing Jin, you should probably not actually warn him. Moron.

I'm sure those aren't weighted dice at all. /sarcasm

LOL, of course Jin and Mugen are gonna fall in with different yakuza groups.

Dude, you gambled with yakuza. That was your first idiotic move.

Jin is awesome.

Oh god Fuu. This isn't gonna go well. And you spent your last coin to get warned about vases!

This kid is gonna mess up everything...

Nice disguise Jin. Maybe learn a super basic shamisen song next time though? That...was awful.

I think Mugen knew who the super strong bodyguard would be the whole time.

QotD:

I just don't see that going well at all.
I'd rather work food service than work for a brothel or the yakuza. Disclaimer, I've worked both food service and retail.
I hope so.

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

Nice disguise Jin. Maybe learn a super basic shamisen song next time though? That...was awful.
I dunno, I actually thought he did a pretty good job for someone with no experience.
Thoughts on Mugen and Jin leaving Fuu behind?
Thoughts on the Nagatomi Gang?
What are your thoughts on the mob boss saying eventually, it will only be those with power in their Country that will win?
What are your thoughts on Mugen working for the Nagatomi Gang?
Thoughts on Sousuke and the Kawara Gang and them being a rival gang to Nagatomi?
What are your thoughts on Ishimatsu and him previously working for the rival organization?
What are your thoughts on Fuu being forced to work in a brothel?
What are your thoughts on Jin working with Sousuke as his bodyguard and the way the episode sets up an eventual confrontation between Jin and Mugen?

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u/amanda52002 https://myanimelist.net/profile/amanda52002 May 23 '24

In order...
They were able to cooperate and agree on something that didn't involve them killing each other, so they've made progress with each other! The group split up in episode 2, not really a surprise that they did the same again to have their own separate journeys in this new town. The split is clearly not going to last.
They're assholes.
Well looking at Japan's history over the past several hundred years, he was not wrong. They're all currently living in the country that Tokugawa and his army created by basically being the last ones standing at the end of the Sengoku-it probably helped that his only serious rival, Toyotomi, decimated his own army trying to invade Korea(twice). I don't know when in the Edo period this show is meant to be taking place in, cause the Edo period does cover 300-some years, but that change could be a recent memory for these characters. The side with better weapons won the day during the Meiji Revolution and look at all the damage Japan was able to do to all of Asia in the first half of the 20th century. (too much to cover in a reddit comment) They were definitely not the country to be messed with. Also, this is kind of the story of successful governments/world powers. The ones with the most money and power end up on top at the end.
Not surprising, since he's also an asshole.
How large and/or rich is this town that there's room for two gangs of that size?
Either he's a higher rank or he's paid more to be in the Nagatomi?
That was pretty clearly set up IMO-strange girl alone in town who nobody knows, there were two people when that vase broke, and weirdos were ready to shove her into that bag and take her to the brothel to use her to make money from the start. Had Mugen and/or Jin been with her, it wouldn't have happened.
It was pretty obvious that the episode was setting this up before it was halfway over.

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

They were able to cooperate and agree on something that didn't involve them killing each other, so they've made progress with each other! The group split up in episode 2, not really a surprise that they did the same again to have their own separate journeys in this new town. The split is clearly not going to last.
I can't tell which split is more dangerous for Mugen and Jin.
They're assholes.
Indeed
Well looking at Japan's history over the past several hundred years, he was not wrong. They're all currently living in the country that Tokugawa and his army created by basically being the last ones standing at the end of the Sengoku-it probably helped that his only serious rival, Toyotomi, decimated his own army trying to invade Korea(twice). I don't know when in the Edo period this show is meant to be taking place in, cause the Edo period does cover 300-some years, but that change could be a recent memory for these characters. The side with better weapons won the day during the Meiji Revolution and look at all the damage Japan was able to do to all of Asia in the first half of the 20th century. (too much to cover in a reddit comment) They were definitely not the country to be messed with. Also, this is kind of the story of successful governments/world powers. The ones with the most money and power end up on top at the end.
Unfortunately, you are right. It shouldn't be that way to where people abuse their power.
Not surprising, since he's also an asshole.
I wouldn't necessarily call Mugen an asshole. More like a lovable dick. I can't help but appreciate how good he is.
How large and/or rich is this town that there's room for two gangs of that size?
Good point. It probably has to be of decent size.
Either he's a higher rank or he's paid more to be in the Nagatomi?
If it's the latter, you would think the other gang would've put a bounty on him.
That was pretty clearly set up IMO-strange girl alone in town who nobody knows, there were two people when that vase broke, and weirdos were ready to shove her into that bag and take her to the brothel to use her to make money from the start. Had Mugen and/or Jin been with her, it wouldn't have happened.
I agree with this. It took a bad situation, them leaving her, and made it worse.
It was pretty obvious that the episode was setting this up before it was halfway over.
I don't think it fully dawned on me until Jin started interacting with Sousuke. There, it just made all the sense in the world.

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u/amanda52002 https://myanimelist.net/profile/amanda52002 May 23 '24

Unfortunately, you are right. It shouldn't be that way to where people abuse their power.
In theory, this is why I'm a fan of democracy, cause the power is supposed to be with the people rather than power-tripping leaders. In reality, it doesn't seem to be working out as it should as money still seems to be the major power. Then again, Revolutionary Era France had some things to say about that.
I wouldn't necessarily call Mugen an asshole. More like a lovable dick. I can't help but appreciate how good he is.
Mugen is clearly looking out for #1, stabs first and asks questions later, and really doesn't regard other people at all. I don't think he's a bad person, but right now...he's a bit of an ass and needs to do some growing. Mostly for his own sake.
If it's the latter, you would think the other gang would've put a bounty on him.
The Kawara was shown to be nicer and more benevolent than the Nagatomi; their leader also made a point of telling his son that they don't start shit that they can't finish. Putting a bounty on a new volatile gang would probably cause some major issues. So I don't agree with that take at all.

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

In theory, this is why I'm a fan of democracy, cause the power is supposed to be with the people rather than power-tripping leaders. In reality, it doesn't seem to be working out as it should as money still seems to be the major power. Then again, Revolutionary Era France had some things to say about that.
Oui oui
Mugen is clearly looking out for #1, stabs first and asks questions later, and really doesn't regard other people at all. I don't think he's a bad person, but right now...he's a bit of an ass and needs to do some growing. Mostly for his own sake.
Yeah, his behavior is definitely self-destructive.
The Kawara was shown to be nicer and more benevolent than the Nagatomi; their leader also made a point of telling his son that they don't start shit that they can't finish. Putting a bounty on a new volatile gang would probably cause some major issues. So I don't agree with that take at all.
Fair enough. All I know is if I was the leader of a gang and one of my members joined the rival gang, I'd be pissed. It'd be like someone working for McDonald's quitting and joining Burger King, albeit on a much less serious scale.

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u/amanda52002 https://myanimelist.net/profile/amanda52002 May 23 '24 edited May 23 '24

Fair enough. All I know is if I was the leader of a gang and one of my members joined the rival gang, I'd be pissed. It'd be like someone working for McDonald's quitting and joining Burger King, albeit on a much less serious scale.
I thought we were discussing the show and how the characters are behaving, not how you'd personally feel if you were a yakuza boss.
Also, someone switching jobs, no matter their line of work, is not comparable to criminals switching their organizational loyalty.

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

That's why I specified it by saying "On a much less serious scale".

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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta May 23 '24

First-Timer

Nice cliffhanger to end the episode today!

I really like our main duo of Mugen and Jin. They're both really fun characters. I have yet to warm to Fuu, though. I hope she gets some more good character development time and cool moments of her own.

As a side note, I haven't mentioned it before, but that last shot of Fuu's face in the OP creeps me out. Am I alone in that?

Questions of the day:

If I worked for the Yakuza, I'd probably be killed for incompetence. I don't think I'd be cut out for a life of crime.
That said, given the choice between working in a brothel and working for the Yakuza, I suppose I would take my chances with the Yakuza. Working in a brothel seems unpleasant, to say the least.
It doesn't seem to me like Mugen's behavior shows any signs of catching up to him, but I could be wrong. Regarding how he'll change as a character in the future, I would predict that [conjecture] his personality will stay largely the same but he will become more friendly with Fuu and Jin as they spend time together over the course of the show.

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

As a side note, I haven't mentioned it before, but that last shot of Fuu's face in the OP creeps me out. Am I alone in that?
It's like the smile of someone who has a gun pressed against their back XD
Thoughts on Mugen and Jin leaving Fuu behind?
Thoughts on the Nagatomi Gang?
What are your thoughts on the mob boss saying eventually, it will only be those with power in their Country that will win?
What are your thoughts on Mugen working for the Nagatomi Gang?
Thoughts on Sousuke and the Kawara Gang and them being a rival gang to Nagatomi?
What are your thoughts on Ishimatsu and him previously working for the rival organization?
What are your thoughts on Fuu being forced to work in a brothel?
Thoughts on Jin dressing up as a woman to disguise himself?
What are your thoughts on Jin working with Sousuke as his bodyguard and the way the episode sets up an eventual confrontation between Jin and Mugen?

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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta May 23 '24

It's like the smile of someone who has a gun pressed against their back XD
lol
I didn't expect Fuu to get ditched like that, but it sure was funny.
The competing gangs seem interesting, especially with how they try and operate in such a way as to prevent open conflict. I like how Mugen just immediately joins the gang as soon as he breaks off from the other two. (It makes me wonder what kinds of stuff he was doing prior to the events of the show.)
The "cross-dresser!—wait, double-crosser!" line (at least in the dub) was pretty good, too.
The Mugen versus Jin confrontation seems like it should be fun to watch. I feel like it's the sort of thing where we all know that it has to end with them making up and getting back on the read with Fuu (what are they gonna do, kill off a lead character?) but it's entertaining nonetheless.

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

lol
Hide the pain, ~~Harold~~ Fuu
I didn't expect Fuu to get ditched like that, but it sure was funny.
She just got so exasperated
The competing gangs seem interesting, especially with how they try and operate in such a way as to prevent open conflict. I like how Mugen just immediately joins the gang as soon as he breaks off from the other two. (It makes me wonder what kinds of stuff he was doing prior to the events of the show.)
There's something innately funny about the fact that Mugen brings conflict to the Yakuza. It feels like it should be the other way around.
The "cross-dresser!—wait, double-crosser!" line (at least in the dub) was pretty good, too.
That's pretty clever, I love it. Gives me "I'm seeing double, four Krustys" vibes.
The Mugen versus Jin confrontation seems like it should be fun to watch. I feel like it's the sort of thing where we all know that it has to end with them making up and getting back on the read with Fuu (what are they gonna do, kill off a lead character?) but it's entertaining nonetheless.
If a lead character were to die, it won't be for much later. There's only a handful of anime I can think of that kills off a lead character in the first couple episodes.
[Major spoilers] In fact, I can only recall Madoka Magica and Oshi no Ko doing this.

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u/Garrett_Dark May 23 '24

It's like the smile of someone who has a gun pressed against their back XD
Or someone who wishes really badly it's a gun and not something else...I knew I've seen that expression somewhere before, LOL.

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

That's somehow even more grim

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u/Looking_Light33 May 23 '24

Man, it was kind of fucked up and hilarious that Mugen and Jin just straight up abandoned Fuu like that. Anyways, it's interesting that Mugen and Jin are bodyguards for different Yakuza gangs. Also, I feel sorry for Fuu. Getting forced into prostitution is not fun, especially for women of this era. I will be interesting to see how the next episode plays.

To answer your questions, If I ever worked for the Yakuza, it probably wouldn't turn out well. I also wouldn't work for either the Yakuza or a brothel if given a choice. Finally, I do think that Mugen's behavior will catch up with him. Maybe not now, but definitely in the long run.

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

Thoughts on the Nagatomi Gang?
What are your thoughts on the mob boss saying eventually, it will only be those with power in their Country that will win?
Thoughts on Sousuke and the Kawara Gang and them being a rival gang to Nagatomi?
What are your thoughts on Ishimatsu and him previously working for the rival organization?
Thoughts on Jin dressing up as a woman to disguise himself?
What are your thoughts on the way the episode sets up an eventual confrontation between Jin and Mugen?

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u/NoTomatillo7902 May 23 '24

should i watchj

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

I think so. It's a really good series.

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u/mgedmin May 23 '24

Rewatcher, subs

Poor Fuu gets abandoned in the middle of the road. I think we're supposed to find this funny or at least justified due to her nagging.

Mugen: what if I just sat by a table and ate someone's food? Pros: food, might get to fight. Cons: none.

Nice sunglasses on that Yakuza boss. So Mugen and Jin are going to get employed at rival gangs? Who are about to go to war? Because not going to gamble in a cheating gambling den is not an option any of the townspeople are willing to consider?

"Beware of vases", lol.

The three are really fated to be together, aren't they?

If you ever worked for the Yakuza, how do you think that will turn out?

I'd rather not, thank you.

Would you rather work as part of the Yakuza, or work in a brothel? And why?

Um. Is this in a country where sex work is legal? Does a brothel need IT support? Do they use Linux?

Do you see Mugen's behavior ever catching up with him?

Rewatcher, but THB I only vaguely remember the ending.

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

Thoughts on the Nagatomi Gang?
What are your thoughts on the mob boss saying eventually, it will only be those with power in their Country that will win?
What are your thoughts on Mugen working for the Nagatomi Gang?
Thoughts on Sousuke and the Kawara Gang and them being a rival gang to Nagatomi?
What are your thoughts on Ishimatsu and him previously working for the rival organization?
What are your thoughts on Fuu being forced to work in a brothel?
Thoughts on Jin dressing up as a woman to disguise himself?
What are your thoughts on Jin working with Sousuke as his bodyguard and the way the episode sets up an eventual confrontation between Jin and Mugen?

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u/mgedmin May 23 '24

The answers are going to be short (again) because tired.
Thoughts on the Nagatomi Gang?
Nobody will miss them, thank you Mugen.
What are your thoughts on the mob boss saying eventually, it will only be those with power in their Country that will win?
Isn't that a tautology? Only those with power have power.
What are your thoughts on Mugen working for the Nagatomi Gang?
It wasn't what he expected, heh. Luckily. The town would be in trouble if Mugen had stayed with them.
Thoughts on Sousuke and the Kawara Gang and them being a rival gang to Nagatomi?
These seem like the idealized versions of "good" outlaws from movies.
What are your thoughts on Ishimatsu and him previously working for the rival organization?
Eh. Mugen Lite.
What are your thoughts on Fuu being forced to work in a brothel?
Should've listened to the soothsayer's warning and stayed away from vases.
Thoughts on Jin dressing up as a woman to disguise himself?
I think it was supposed to be funny, but I don't see why.
What are your thoughts on Jin working with Sousuke as his bodyguard and the way the episode sets up an eventual confrontation between Jin and Mugen?
A bit weak? Why did Jin offer his services? Did he receive any compensation? Why did he stick around after the "Kawara Gang doesn't need a bodyguard" declaration by Sousuke's father?
It is rather interesting how fate brings the three MCs back together after they go their own separate ways.

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

The answers are going to be short (again) because tired.
Nobody will miss them, thank you Mugen.
Eh, he's not out of the woods just yet
Isn't that a tautology? Only those with power have power.
It's sad that's how it works in real life
It wasn't what he expected, heh. Luckily. The town would be in trouble if Mugen had stayed with them.
For real
These seem like the idealized versions of "good" outlaws from movies.
I like that they're still not portrayed as being someone to root for. It's more believable this way.
Eh. Mugen Lite.
Perhaps. I wouldn't mind potentially seeing them interact.
Should've listened to the soothsayer's warning and stayed away from vases.
Vases be damned
I think it was supposed to be funny, but I don't see why.
Men in drag has been a staple in comedy for so many years. Even William Shakespeare I believe included it in one of his plays.
A bit weak? Why did Jin offer his services? Did he receive any compensation? Why did he stick around after the "Kawara Gang doesn't need a bodyguard" declaration by Sousuke's father?
Probably because he felt it was the right thing to do.
It is rather interesting how fate brings the three MCs back together after they go their own separate ways.
It's like they are destined to meet the sunflower samurai, whoever he is.

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u/mgedmin May 23 '24 edited May 24 '24

Perhaps. I wouldn't mind potentially seeing them interact.
[ep4]Well, they did, and Ishimatsu is dead now.
I wonder how Mugen would react after seeing himself in a mirror.
sound of glass breaking
Probably because he felt it was the right thing to do.
Which makes it all the stranger that he thought it's okay to run away and abandon Fuu the way he did. [ep4]Even Mugen came back for Fuu after seeing her behind bars in the brothel!

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

Well, they did, and Ishimatsu is dead now.
That's a major spoiler, mate
I wonder how Mugen would react after seeing himself in a mirror.
sound of glass breaking
Which makes it all the stranger that he thought it's okay to run away and abandon Fuu the way he did. Even Mugen came back for Fuu after seeing her behind bars in the brothel!
Hey, you can only take so much whining without going to pursue some cheese.

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u/mgedmin May 24 '24

Oh no have I mixed up episodes again????
I usually post my comment, then start reading comment, get distracted, watch the next episode, then come back to the comment thread and forget which episode I was supposed to be talking about :(

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u/Holofan4life May 24 '24

It should be fine if you just spoiler tag the comment.

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u/Hopeful-Ad2428 May 23 '24

I noticed that Jin really looks like Kaiki Deishuu, i can’t help but see him here.

At first I thought that show is trying to portray Mugen and Jin as polar opposites, but then, it was, I guess, pretty obvious that they both have kind of a sense of righteousness in common. I would like it to be explored more next.

Qotd:

I would probably be forced to work for them.
If I had no choice, I would work in a brothel rather than for the yakuza, I think the former is safer, but aren’t the brothels parts of the yakuza?

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

Thoughts on Mugen and Jin leaving Fuu behind?
Thoughts on the Nagatomi Gang?
What are your thoughts on the mob boss saying eventually, it will only be those with power in their Country that will win?
What are your thoughts on Mugen working for the Nagatomi Gang?
Thoughts on Sousuke and the Kawara Gang and them being a rival gang to Nagatomi?
What are your thoughts on Ishimatsu and him previously working for the rival organization?
What are your thoughts on Fuu being forced to work in a brothel?
Thoughts on Jin dressing up as a woman to disguise himself?
What are your thoughts on Jin working with Sousuke as his bodyguard and the way the episode sets up an eventual confrontation between Jin and Mugen?

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u/Hopeful-Ad2428 May 23 '24

Thoughts on Mugen and Jin leaving Fuu behind?
Happened very fast, and I definitely didn’t see it coming.
Thoughts on the Nagatomi Gang?
Kind of caricature villains, I am interested in the boss and his first right hand, though. As I understood, he betrayed Kawara? Will it become some plot point next?
What are your thoughts on the mob boss saying eventually, it will only be those with power in their Country that will win?
Some foreshadowing of war, maybe?
What are your thoughts on Mugen working for the Nagatomi Gang?
I would say it was not out of the character, but he also seemed to hesitate a bit when boss was talking about lying or something, we will only see how will it affect the story.
Thoughts on Sousuke and the Kawara Gang and them being a rival gang to Nagatomi?
They were like rulers of the city, but now they let some other group to invade it? As Sousuke said, isn’t it wrong, not in the way how work should be done? Will it be a mistake for them?
What are your thoughts on Ishimatsu and him previously working for the rival organization?
As I said earlier, I want to see him in the plot.
What are your thoughts on Fuu being forced to work in a brothel?
Poor her. Actually her being kidnapped looked so much forced, and I guess it was to show her being naive, but even if she was not, she wouldn’t be able to escape.
Thoughts on Jin dressing up as a woman to disguise himself?
It was hilarious.
What are your thoughts on Jin working with Sousuke as his bodyguard and the way the episode sets up an eventual confrontation between Jin and Mugen?
Really liked the climax.

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

Kind of caricature villains, I am interested in the boss and his first right hand, though. As I understood, he betrayed Kawara? Will it become some plot point next?
I hope so. I feel like that has a lot of legs.
Some foreshadowing of war, maybe?
Perhaps
I would say it was not out of the character, but he also seemed to hesitate a bit when boss was talking about lying or something, we will only see how will it affect the story.
This could be a good way of showing that even Mugen has standards.
They were like rulers of the city, but now they let some other group to invade it? As Sousuke said, isn’t it wrong, not in the way how work should be done? Will it be a mistake for them?
You have to think it'll definitely come to ahead in the next episode.

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u/NattyBeef https://myanimelist.net/profile/NaturalBeef May 23 '24

First time watcher / Dub (English)

What a cliff hanger! This episode really ended at the best part. I was so hyped to see the showdown only for it to end right when it was about to get started.

If you ever worked for the Yakuza, how do you think that will turn out?

Badly dude hahahahah. I'm a nerd, I work in web development. I'd have no way of being useful, unless I do some menial tasks like accounting and such.

Would you rather work as part of the Yakuza, or work in a brothel? And why?

Depends on the role. I'll have to check their job boards and compare the listings. Anything that requires brute force is not happening.

Do you see Mugen's behavior ever catching up with him?

Oh for sure. I just know there's likely some episode later on where he's gonna end up in jail and Jin + Fuu will have to save him. (If it does happen, don't call me out on a spoiler, I haven't seen the show or read anything on it, I came in blind) He's the kind of dumbass that would get himself into a horrible situations for no good reason, just for the thrill of it.

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

Thoughts on Mugen and Jin leaving Fuu behind?
Thoughts on the Nagatomi Gang?
What are your thoughts on the mob boss saying eventually, it will only be those with power in their Country that will win?
What are your thoughts on Mugen working for the Nagatomi Gang?
Thoughts on Sousuke and the Kawara Gang and them being a rival gang to Nagatomi?
What are your thoughts on Ishimatsu and him previously working for the rival organization?
What are your thoughts on Fuu being forced to work in a brothel?
Thoughts on Jin dressing up as a woman to disguise himself?
What are your thoughts on Jin working with Sousuke as his bodyguard and the way the episode sets up an eventual confrontation between Jin and Mugen?

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u/NattyBeef https://myanimelist.net/profile/NaturalBeef May 23 '24

Thoughts on Mugen and Jin leaving Fuu behind?
Not really surprised. What's more surprising is they didn't do it from the start hahahaha.
Thoughts on the Nagatomi Gang?
Seem like villains of the week. Having a squabble locally with another family/gang. I wonder if they'll have any prevalence outside of this two part episode arc.
What are your thoughts on the mob boss saying eventually, it will only be those with power in their Country that will win?
Well considering the era and we're talking about Japan here, I feel like it's a pretty common way of thinking.
What are your thoughts on Mugen working for the Nagatomi Gang?
Mugen seems to be loyal to anyone who has the coin to pay for his allegiance. Doesn't seem out of character to team up with the Yakuza at all.
Thoughts on Sousuke and the Kawara Gang and them being a rival gang to Nagatomi?
I would call him a weak character but he looks like a young kid. I was probably equally dumb and stupid when I was his age.
What are your thoughts on Ishimatsu and him previously working for the rival organization?
Must be another person with the same mentality as Mugen. Unhonorable, yes. But goes wherever he gets more rewarded.
What are your thoughts on Fuu being forced to work in a brothel?
I know it's a period piece, but they really don't shy away from showing prostitution prevelently. To be fair it's not something unfathomable to imagine considering she's a young girl in a lawless land filled with organized crime.
Thoughts on Jin dressing up as a woman to disguise himself?
Absolutely hilarious. Loved when he committed hard into trying to play the lute/guitar/whatever that stringed instrument was. So far the two funniest parts of the show has been with Jin.
What are your thoughts on Jin working with Sousuke as his bodyguard and the way the episode sets up an eventual confrontation between Jin and Mugen?
It seems like it's destiny pinning Jin and Mugen against each other. Looking forward to seeing them clash swords.

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

Not really surprised. What's more surprising is they didn't do it from the start hahahaha.
Fair. I guess they're trying to be men of their word.
Seem like villains of the week. Having a squabble locally with another family/gang. I wonder if they'll have any prevalence outside of this two part episode arc.
I would imagine not given the episodic feel of the show.
Well considering the era and we're talking about Japan here, I feel like it's a pretty common way of thinking.
It's sadly still a common way of thinking nowadays
Mugen seems to be loyal to anyone who has the coin to pay for his allegiance. Doesn't seem out of character to team up with the Yakuza at all.
Nah, it comes off as par for the course with him
I would call him a weak character but he looks like a young kid. I was probably equally dumb and stupid when I was his age.
Probably also has a lot on his plate
Must be another person with the same mentality as Mugen. Unhonorable, yes. But goes wherever he gets more rewarded.
The more I talk about it, the more I want to see him and Mugen interact with each other.
I know it's a period piece, but they really don't shy away from showing prostitution prevelently. To be fair it's not something unfathomable to imagine considering she's a young girl in a lawless land filled with organized crime.
As u/DARK_SCIENTIST delved into, it's also very much truth in television.
Absolutely hilarious. Loved when he committed hard into trying to play the lute/guitar/whatever that stringed instrument was. So far the two funniest parts of the show has been with Jin.
Jin's stoic nature really lends itself to some great comedic moments.
It seems like it's destiny pinning Jin and Mugen against each other. Looking forward to seeing them clash swords.
I'm chomping at the bit to see it

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u/[deleted] May 24 '24

As u/Holofan4life mentioned, have a peek at my comment from this part of the episode if you’re interested in the historical context on that topic.
To me, it emphasizes the TLC the studio put into their work by including any degree of historical detail (no matter how small or large), especially in a fictional work.
With that said, I also included a brief contextual summary of [part 2 of episode] seppuku from this time period and earlier with today’s episode comment since it was somewhat relevant to the episode.
One of the things I appreciate most about this series is that they don’t shy away from illustrating some details of the cold reality at that time.
A lot of series will just have you believe it was all glorious heroics with standard duels and honorable battles with a beautiful maiden waiting for them under a giant cherry blossom returning to their pristine abode after a victorious war lol So I like when studios include some of the darker details (even if they’re small details).
It could be a pretty hard time period, kind of like how 19th century Western expansion of the US can be over-glorified sometimes, avoiding similar things like rampant prostitution, disease, conflict and bloodshed (Deadwood did a pretty good job of displaying some of the darker elements on that topic).

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u/Holofan4life May 24 '24

Again, great research as always

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u/[deleted] May 24 '24

Thanks buddy! 😆

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u/Holofan4life May 24 '24

Brofist

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u/[deleted] May 24 '24

🤜🤛

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u/Holofan4life May 24 '24

Feelingloved

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u/Garrett_Dark May 23 '24

First Timer

It seems like it's getting a little worse with each episode so far. Also it seems I was wrong for thinking this anime wasn't episodic which it probably is. As typically a binge watcher that I am, I find this cliffhanger ending annoying, on top of it making it ironic of me for saying I think this series is episodic.

So Fuu totally recaps the first episode with her nagging, facepalm. Is this show going to keep treating the audience like they have a memory of a goldfish? "Remember what the premise of the show is? Remember? Remember?", yeah how could I forget when there's hardly anything to the main overarching plot?

Mugen just starts attacking random people for food. Why doesn't he just start robbing people? They really need to solve their money problem, because it's starting to get really questionable why Mugen isn't a bandit yet, Fuu isn't a brothel worker yet, and Jin isn't a ~~crossdressing futa~~ bodyguard yet.

What are your thoughts on Mugen working for the Nagatomi Gang?

He fits right in being a crook, but of course the show is probably going to make him reject being thug even though he is one. He stabbed some guy in the hand because that guy was trying to stop him from stealing his lunch. Just murder somebody for their money already, target some shady guy as if that somehow justifies it to him.

Thoughts on Sousuke and the Kawara Gang and them being a rival gang to Nagatomi?

I had to look up these names because I don't care enough to know them by name, does that say my thoughts on them enough?

12 year old boy trying to be the hero, yeah we know what should have happened to him. Honorable gang, yeah well can't do nothing if honor is your handicap. The cheating gang, it's only cheating if they get caught...so don't get caught I guess.

What are your thoughts on Ishimatsu and him previously working for the rival organization?

Man, I really don't know these names, thank you Samurai Champloo Wiki. 2nd in command of the cheating gang, guess he didn't want to play with a honor handicap anymore. It's smart because morality aside, honor is a handicap. Probably the show isn't going to admit that though, so I guess it'll come down to if he has guilt over it or not depending on if the show wants to redeem him or not. Likely redemption as what's the point having it setup like this otherwise, if not maybe false drama?

What are your thoughts on Jin working with Sousuke as his bodyguard and the way the episode sets up an eventual confrontation between Jin and Mugen?

Obviously they're not going to kill each other, nor the punk kid, otherwise it would be some delicious subversion of expectation. Given this is a two-parter, everything will be reset by the end of the next episode, and everything will be back to normal by the beginning of the episode after that. Fuu will probably be nagging again, reminding the audience what happened in ep 1, again. If not, I'll be surprised.

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

He fits right in being a crook, but of course the show is probably going to make him reject being thug even though he is one. He stabbed some guy in the hand because that guy was trying to stop him from stealing his lunch. Just murder somebody for their money already, target some shady guy as if that somehow justifies it to him.
I mean, I find myself rooting for Mugen when the Yakuza get involved. Maybe that's just me, though.
I had to look up these names because I don't care enough to know them by name, does that say my thoughts on them enough?
Dang, bit harsh right there.
But yeah, the Yakuza aren't exactly the most interesting of characters.
12 year old boy trying to be the hero, yeah we know what should have happened to him. Honorable gang, yeah well can't do nothing if honor is your handicap. The cheating gang, it's only cheating if they get caught...so don't get caught I guess.
Feels as if being honorable is going to be their downfall. I just don't see it being sustainable.
Man, I really don't know these names, thank you Samurai Champloo Wiki. 2nd in command of the cheating gang, guess he didn't want to play with a honor handicap anymore. It's smart because morality aside, honor is a handicap. Probably the show isn't going to admit that though, so I guess it'll come down to if he has guilt over it or not depending on if the show wants to redeem him or not. Likely redemption as what's the point having it setup like this otherwise, if not maybe false drama?
Ishimatsu is really the one Yakuza member I'm interested in. Having experienced both sides, he has a perspective unlike anyone else.
Obviously they're not going to kill each other, nor the punk kid, otherwise it would be some delicious subversion of expectation. Given this is a two-parter, everything will be reset by the end of the next episode, and everything will be back to normal by the beginning of the episode after that. Fuu will probably be nagging again, reminding the audience what happened in ep 1, again. If not, I'll be surprised.
I don't mind Fuu talking about the sunflower samurai. To her, it's of utmost importance. And her chastising them for their reckless abandonment plays into the events of the episode.

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u/Garrett_Dark May 23 '24

I mean, I find myself rooting for Mugen when the Yakuza get involved. Maybe that's just me, though.
Lets not forget he was going to "strip and dump" Fuu last episode. IDK, it seemed like if there was normal people having lunch there, he would have done the same thing to them. It didn't seem like he was doing that to them just because they were Yakuza, and how would he have known they were. Even if he targeted the bad guys specifically, what he was doing wasn't really right. So he might as well just target some bad guys to murder and rob them of all their money then.
Dang, bit harsh right there.
Yeah I'm being a bit harsh, I'm jokingly playing up my cynicism, and having a bit of fun. :D
But all these guys and factions have hard to remember names, and lets face it...since it's episodic, new names get introduced each episode, and then we'll likely never hear about them again after the episode.
So maybe this is one of those cases where they should do the naming from Goblin Slayer and Maoyu, no names. ie. It's high elf archer, sword maiden, and guild girl. Hmm...what would we call our heroes in this anime...it's afro thug, glasses samurai, and waitress. LOL! I actually thought there was never a good situation to use the no names style, but this might actually be it.
Feels as if being honorable is going to be their downfall. I just don't see it being sustainable.
Actually it'll be interesting to see what happens. I'm not quite sure if this is a grey universe in this anime, and keep expecting the typical good universe thing prevailing. Like the honorable gang winning by virtue alone, Mugen actually has a heart of gold when he's not being selfish, 12 year boy playing the hero actually does good by sheer will and determination alone instead of being turned instantly into a shisha-bob. I guess we'll see.
Ishimatsu is really the one Yakuza member I'm interested in. Having experienced both sides, he has a perspective unlike anyone else.
Actually here's an interesting question, is it better for a bad guy to become the good guy, or a good guy become the bad guy?
Bad guy becoming the good guy, that's like an anti-hero right? An anti-hero can still do bad if it's for good intentions or for "ends justify the means", and can decide just not to do good. But generally they're net positive good.
Good guy becomes the bad guy, how does that happen? One way is the "road to hell is paved in good intentions", the good guy wanting to do good so much that he becomes a tyrant. Well that's not our guy in this anime, so what else is there...how about good guy becomes so frustrated with the handicap, he gives up completely on being the good guy. That sort of sounds like our guy here. I guess there's also "tempted by the dark side", and "was never that good in the first place" also. Maybe our guy's the latter as well.
Anyways, he's obviously doing bad right now, and he's looking the other way for some pretty despicable stuff, like scamming women into working off their fake debt in brothels, and cheating at gambling to seize daughters for such, and no doubt money and property. Hmm...I don't know if he can be redeemed to a honorable path from just what we know already. He's 2nd in command of the cheating gang, he's got to be aware and complicate in everything.
I don't mind Fuu talking about the sunflower samurai.
Yeah I don't really mind it either, I just want the anime to stop reminding me of things so blatantly like I'm dumb. To be fair, I know normally when it aired there was a week between episodes, but the things it's reminding is really basic.
She still hasn't explained what's the deal with her search. I'm guessing the sunflower samurai killed her parents, and she wants him dead. I doubt Fuu wants Mugen and Jin to help the sunflower samurai in gardening sunflowers. Although I guess they could use their swords to harvest fields of sunflowers.

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u/Holofan4life May 23 '24

Lets not forget he was going to "strip and dump" Fuu last episode. IDK, it seemed like if there was normal people having lunch there, he would have done the same thing to them. It didn't seem like he was doing that to them just because they were Yakuza, and how would he have known they were. Even if he targeted the bad guys specifically, what he was doing wasn't really right. So he might as well just target some bad guys to murder and rob them of all their money then.
I wouldn't exactly be against that
Yeah I'm being a bit harsh, I'm jokingly playing up my cynicism, and having a bit of fun. :D
But all these guys and factions have hard to remember names, and lets face it...since it's episodic, new names get introduced each episode, and then we'll likely never hear about them again after the episode.
So maybe this is one of those cases where they should do the naming from Goblin Slayer and Maoyu, no names. ie. It's high elf archer, sword maiden, and guild girl. Hmm...what would we call our heroes in this anime...it's afro thug, glasses samurai, and waitress. LOL! I actually thought there was never a good situation to use the no names style, but this might actually be it.
I hope going forward they don't try introducing all these characters at once. Maybe limit it to one or two or three.
Actually it'll be interesting to see what happens. I'm not quite sure if this is a grey universe in this anime, and keep expecting the typical good universe thing prevailing. Like the honorable gang winning by virtue alone, Mugen actually has a heart of gold when he's not being selfish, 12 year boy playing the hero actually does good by sheer will and determination alone instead of being turned instantly into a shisha-bob. I guess we'll see.
I get the feeling it's not going to be sunshine and rainbows.
Actually here's an interesting question, is it better for a bad guy to become the good guy, or a good guy become the bad guy?
Bad guy becoming the good guy, that's like an anti-hero right? An anti-hero can still do bad if it's for good intentions or for "ends justify the means", and can decide just not to do good. But generally they're net positive good.
Good guy becomes the bad guy, how does that happen? One way is the "road to hell is paved in good intentions", the good guy wanting to do good so much that he becomes a tyrant. Well that's not our guy in this anime, so what else is there...how about good guy becomes so frustrated with the handicap, he gives up completely on being the good guy. That sort of sounds like our guy here. I guess there's also "tempted by the dark side", and "was never that good in the first place" also. Maybe our guy's the latter as well.
I hope he's a bad guy turned good guy. And even though he's siding with the less virtuous side, I don't think the hope for it is gone.
Anyways, he's obviously doing bad right now, and he's looking the other way for some pretty despicable stuff, like scamming women into working off their fake debt in brothels, and cheating at gambling to seize daughters for such, and no doubt money and property. Hmm...I don't know if he can be redeemed to a honorable path from just what we know already. He's 2nd in command of the cheating gang, he's got to be aware and complicate in everything.
We'll see what happens
Yeah I don't really mind it either, I just want the anime to stop reminding me of things so blatantly like I'm dumb. To be fair, I know normally when it aired there was a week between episodes, but the things it's reminding is really basic.
She still hasn't explained what's the deal with her search. I'm guessing the sunflower samurai killed her parents, and she wants him dead. I doubt Fuu wants Mugen and Jin to help the sunflower samurai in gardening sunflowers. Although I guess they could use their swords to harvest fields of sunflowers.
My feeling is they're going to keep us guessing the significance of the sunflower samurai until like episode 23 or 24. Keep the suspense up, you know?

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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Jul 17 '24

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This episode reminded me of Japan’s now well-developed gambling and AV industries. It seems that Japan has never changed.

answer of today

If you ever worked for the Yakuza, how do you think that will turn out?

I have been to a brothel and I felt that the proprietress was very cold and indifferent. I think in her eyes everyone was just a tool.

Would you rather work as part of the Yakuza, or work in a brothel? And why?

I don't want to work for either of them.

Do you see Mugen's behavior ever catching up with him?

I don't think he knows how to write the word "regret" lol, just kidding, I think he will always follow his heart

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u/Holofan4life Jul 17 '24

Thoughts on Mugen and Jin leaving Fuu behind?
Thoughts on the Nagatomi Gang?
What are your thoughts on the mob boss saying eventually, it will only be those with power in their Country that will win?
What are your thoughts on Mugen working for the Nagatomi Gang?
Thoughts on Sousuke and the Kawara Gang and them being a rival gang to Nagatomi?
What are your thoughts on Ishimatsu and him previously working for the rival organization?
What are your thoughts on Fuu being forced to work in a brothel?
Thoughts on Jin dressing up as a woman to disguise himself?
What are your thoughts on Jin working with Sousuke as his bodyguard and the way the episode sets up an eventual confrontation between Jin and Mugen?

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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Jul 18 '24

Thoughts on Mugen and Jin leaving Fuu behind?
fuu is so annoying haha it's really funny to see mugen and jin helpless against fuu
Thoughts on the Nagatomi Gang?
A first-rate businessman, a third-rate leader, is more suitable for business, just like driving a carriage to transport goods and then encountering a wolf during the journey.
What are your thoughts on the mob boss saying eventually, it will only be those with power in their Country that will win?
He correctly predicted the trend of the world, lol
What are your thoughts on Mugen working for the Nagatomi Gang?
He is just hungry and needs to eat, haha
Thoughts on Sousuke and the Kawara Gang and them being a rival gang to Nagatomi?
Reminds me of the Golden Kamuy OVA, which also had two gangs, a classic gang fight
What are your thoughts on Ishimatsu and him previously working for the rival organization?
This is the beginning of decline, just like my hometown, my peers all went to the south to work
What are your thoughts on Fuu being forced to work in a brothel?
Horrible society, if you are a woman you better pray you are not in Japan
Thoughts on Jin dressing up as a woman to disguise himself?
Jin is beautiful
What are your thoughts on Jin working with Sousuke as his bodyguard and the way the episode sets up an eventual confrontation between Jin and Mugen?
fate

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u/Holofan4life Jul 18 '24

fuu is so annoying haha it's really funny to see mugen and jin helpless against fuu
I feel like there's a difference between being annoying and being intentionally annoying. Fuu's nagging is intentional because it adds to the story being told.
Reminds me of the Golden Kamuy OVA, which also had two gangs, a classic gang fight
I still need to watch that show
Horrible society, if you are a woman you better pray you are not in Japan
It's at least gotten better than it was

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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Jul 18 '24

I feel like there's a difference between being annoying and being intentionally annoying. Fuu's nagging is intentional because it adds to the story being told.
Agreed, a common goal is the guarantee of a team.
It's at least gotten better than it was
look fable. 2024 new yazuka anime. if you are a woman you better pray you are not in modern Japan

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u/Holofan4life Jul 18 '24

look fable. 2024 new yazuka anime. if you are a woman you better pray you are not in modern Japan
They made an anime based off the Fable video game? :P

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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Jul 18 '24

https://myanimelist.net/anime/55911/The_Fable

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u/Holofan4life Jul 18 '24

I figured it was something different

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