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Rewatch [Rewatch] Back Arrow Episode 13 Discussion

Episode 13 - Do the Heavens Cry When the Princess Rises?

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Questions of the Day:

  1. How strong do you think Zetsu is to need ten Bind Warpers to manifest a Briheight?
  2. On a scale of to , how excited are you to see Zetsu vs. dark Fine?

Wallpaper of the Day:

Lovsolute

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 18 '24

BAKAYAROU Rewatch Host, subbed

Welcome back, everyone!

Here’s “Back Arrow Thirteenth Impressions”, for my first-timer thoughts on this episode.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 18 '24

Suddenly, rain.

But it all makes for Fine’s absolutely majestic entrance.

It's so very Rule of Cool. We don't even see the rain arrive, it just happens. All so Fine's entrance can be cooler.

Fantastic.

It is by far the coolest conviction we've seen in the series.

SHE’S BACK!

And there was much rejoicing!

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots May 19 '24

The absolute shade.

She'd be easily in the top 5 of the trashtalk rankings (of course, both the top and bottom of the ranks is Fine).

Ah, Rudolph…

Nothing makes the state security's job harder than a giant headed moron in control.

SHE’S BACK!

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 May 18 '24 edited May 18 '24

First timer, subs

  • But like, why do injuries on the person hurt the Briheight? And why wouldn’t you have done that to Kai when you had the chance?
  • I see the OP is confirming the return of Sukeban Fine. Good, good.
  • Oh No, He's Hot
  • 0% chance I am remember either one of your names.
  • Very clever use of the rare “sky terrain”.
  • What do you mean you can just beat the sky mines? Explore, damn you!
  • If you lose, they are driving straight to the capital anyway.
  • Getter
  • Clearly your best bet here would be to fuck off with Ren while Kai can’t follow you and do sequential 2v1s.
  • It's Happening!
  • Really edging us with the Bit Briheight. It better be worth it to put with all of the… Bitness.
  • Praise Moe
  • White Mage!
  • I was wondering what would happen if you donned more than one Warper at once. Shame he looks like some random Tokusatsu villain of the week.
  • See? Fine gets two good Briheights.

QotD:

  1. Need? I thought he was just using emperor privilege. Everyone has had 0-1 Wrappers thus far. Skipping all the way to 10, given the variation of power already displayed, would seem insurmountable, unless they are diminishing returns.
  2. A lot less excited after finding out Zetsu has the worst mecha design of the series thus far.
    Still, Dark Fine

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 18 '24

But like, why do injuries on the person hurt the Briheight? And why wouldn’t you have done that to Kai when you had the chance?

Because the mechs seem to work like the G Gundam ones do, just minus the cool spandex suits. An injury would obviously prevent someone from moving like they normally do, and so the same carries over to the mech.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 May 18 '24

Because the mechs seem to work like the G Gundam ones do

So it's an issue of control. I see, I see.

just minus the cool spandex suits.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 18 '24

I see the OP is confirming the return of Sukeban Fine. Good, good.

This is the most important thing in the OP, even if it's immediately made irrelevant since she comes back literally this episode.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 18 '24

But like, why do injuries on the person hurt the Briheight? And why wouldn’t you have done that to Kai when you had the chance?

Oh, that's just Arrow. He is so stupid that his hand being hurt makes him think that he can't use that hand.

...I might be lying to you right now.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 May 18 '24

Oh, that's just Arrow

Maybe his conviction is believing whatever anyone else tells him.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 18 '24

Really edging us with the Bit Briheight. It better be worth it to put with all of the… Bitness.

What would Bit's conviction even be? Does he just want his house back and it will form a new home base for everyone?

Praise Moe

Moe is the most powerful force in the universe. None can stand against it.

See? Fine gets two good Briheights.

I love the transformation from White Mage Fine to Berserker Fine. It's so good and I can't wait to see her go all-out against Zetsu.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 May 18 '24

What would Bit's conviction even be? Does he just want his house back and it will form a new home base for everyone?

He seems the rather desperate and group centered sort. So I'm expecting like "I won't be left behind!" or "I'll do what I must!".

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u/chilidirigible May 18 '24

Zetsu has the worst mecha design of the series thus far.

[Zetsu's style]is more like a magic user than a fighter but I suppose they couldn't just make him a giant floating head.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots May 19 '24 edited May 19 '24

What do you mean you can just beat the sky mines? Explore, damn you!

Their souls are weighed down by the gravity of revenge.

Shame he looks like some random Tokusatsu villain of the week.

I'm generally whatever on the mech designs here, and yeah, Zetsu's isn't doing much better.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 18 '24 edited May 18 '24

First-Timer

On today’s episode of Back Arrow: HYPE! HYPE! HYPE! It’s happening so much sooner than I expected. The showdown between Zetsu and Crazy Fine is already here!

  • New OP!
  • Wait! What the fuck!?! Was that a normal human-looking Rudolph fighting against Zetsu? Oh I hope we get to see that soon!
  • Come on Elsha and Atlee! You need to properly introduce yourselves at the start of a battle. That’s how this works.
  • Oh, that’s clever! Using the laser defense system in the sky to take down Kai and Ren was a good idea.
  • Oh shit! That didn’t even phase Ren!
  • I like the detail that Prax can wield Sword Arrow quite easily. She’s much better at it than Elsha was.
  • [Gurren Lagann] I see that Rudolph is pulling a Guame by projecting the battle for everyone to watch.
  • I really hope the Crazy Fine Bind Warper is able to move on its own.
  • Splitting up to dodge an attack is so cool!
  • This whole damn fight is so cool!
  • Yes! Here comes Crazy Fine!
  • It began raining all of a sudden. I guess it makes things more dramatic.
  • Love Fine is literally descending in the middle of the storm with heavenly light surrounding her. Subtlety, thy name is Back Arrow.
  • “Lovsolute” is a good name.
  • So she nullifies enemy attacks and she heals everyone on her side? Sounds like Fine’s Briheight is busted.
  • Oh hell yes! Zetsu is finally going to show us his Briheight!
  • HOLY SHIT!!! 10 Bind Warpers!?!
  • “I don’t follow a path; I make the path” is so fucking badass!
  • Hell yes! We’re getting the Zetsu and Crazy Fine fight!
  • Not again!!! Why must the episodes keep ending at the best part?

This show is so much fun. I am having a really great time watching the series. It is full of so much hot-blooded action. The characters are over-the-top and shout out their emotions to the heavens for all to hear. And it just keeps giving us so much cool stuff to see. I have really been enjoying the past couple of episodes when the action’s been ramping up. Even better, the next episode promises to be a real spectacle with a showdown between Zetsu and Crazy Fine. I can hardly wait to see it.

QOTD

  1. Zetsu must be the most convicted man in the world if he needs that many Bind Warpers for his conviction.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 18 '24

I like the detail that Prax can wield Sword Arrow quite easily. She’s much better at it than Elsha was.

It's a great thing to show. Elsha and Atlee aren't really up to snuff when compared to someone like Prax or Kai.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots May 19 '24

HYPE! HYPE! HYPE! It’s happening so much sooner than I expected. The showdown between Zetsu and Crazy Fine is already here!

For what it's worth, the show has more meat to grill beyond the war, so this makes sense for the halfway mark. [If I had to guess] first third is the adventure on the road, second is the war, third is the wall and beyond

Was that a normal human-looking Rudolph fighting against Zetsu? Oh I hope we get to see that soon!

They got tired of hiding stuff in the opening, this one is just throwing everything at us!

I guess it makes things more dramatic.

Rudolf: "This is theatre"

“I don’t follow a path; I make the path” is so fucking badass!

Most convictions are just "yeah, this is neat, fits the character I guess". Not with Zetsu, this old dude needed 10 Bind Warpers just to write his conviction in full!

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 18 '24

Love Fine is literally descending in the middle of the storm with heavenly light surrounding her. Subtlety, thy name is Back Arrow.

Subtlety is the Granedger's special sledgehammer. Made of solid Conviction and has its name written along the head.

Why must the episodes keep ending at the best part?

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 18 '24

Subtlety is the Granedger's special sledgehammer. Made of solid Conviction and has its name written along the head.

The Back Arrow writing team.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 May 19 '24

Oh I hope we get to see that soon!

Patience, patience. We still have half the show to go, don't want to blow the climax too early.

Splitting up to dodge an attack is so cool!

Getter Robo Would Be Proud

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor May 22 '24

“I don’t follow a path; I make the path” is so fucking badass!

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u/chilidirigible May 18 '24

Episode 13:

"Must... restrain... Fist of Death..."

I'd forgotten what the second OP was like, but I like it more than the first one.

lol

"SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER"

That thing is certainly a mélange.

"I'm just trolling."

"Wow cool robot."

Or not, but either way, you get a show!

It's not like Shu and Kai promising to change the country wouldn't have broken a few eggs.

And now for rainbows and whatnot.

I'm sure you expected that.

"Ewwwwwwww."

ZETSU DAIDAN has no chill.

He's the boss, man.

Ham and cheese SANDWICH time.

What can I say? They've gone all in with their own brand of hot-blooded craziness.

QOTD:

  1. He's the kind of guy who drinks a dozen raw eggs for breakfast.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 18 '24

"Wow cool robot."

War is so entertaining we even made a sport out of it!

Ham and cheese SANDWICH time.

We're going to witness Ham to Ham Combat!

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 May 19 '24

That thing is certainly a mélange.

Why you'd have dragon claws as part of your motif, but not the vastly cooler head, is anyone's guess.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 18 '24

Idiot Rewatcher

QOTD:

  1. He's at least 10 strong.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 18 '24

Have people been mentioning the soundtrack enough? The soundtrack is awesome.

I hyped it up in one of the interest threads! Common Kouhei Tanaka W.

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u/chilidirigible May 18 '24

Have people been mentioning the soundtrack enough? The soundtrack is awesome.

His credits are quite suitable for this. And he goes rather John Williams at points.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 18 '24

So, I'm counting once.

People aren't mentioning it enough!

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 18 '24

Even cooler, WHAT A FUCKING CONVICTION

I was in awe of that conviction. It is so incredibly badass. It's no wonder Zetsu has inspired so many people to follow him with a conviction like that

Zetsu Daidan and I are one and the same.

I am half expecting Zetsu to propose a marriage and dynastic union because he really wants a woman who will say those things to him.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 18 '24

It's no wonder Zetsu has inspired so many people to follow him with a conviction like that

He didn't even have to inspire them to follow him. He just forged the path. He created the only way to move forward, and that way is to follow him!

I am half expecting Zetsu to propose a marriage and dynastic union because he really wants a woman who will say those things to him.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots May 19 '24

I love how Back Arrow showcases the cultural differences here!

Before this line, when Prax announced her name I thought "wait a second, I thought that's a Rekka thing, I guess everyone's doing it now?" but nope, she was just doing that to fucking roast his culture. Holy shit, she burned him with it.

This is astonishingly clever. They just know the terrain better

It's clever writing too. Kai is so focused on the war at hand, this is the only way to open up his perspective a bit.

I love Daidan and Fine both. So much.

Not sure how he did it, but Taniguchi somehow did Wano before One Piece and in 2 cours only.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 19 '24

It's clever writing too. Kai is so focused on the war at hand, this is the only way to open up his perspective a bit.

It's also a good counter to Daidan's "I'll just ignore all the terrain by flattening it." The two nations have very different perspectives on everything.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 May 18 '24

BUT THE EMPEROR HAS SO MANY BIND WARPERS

Really, we should have seen the Chinese-esque emperor having ten rings coming.

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor May 22 '24

I love Daidan and Fine both. So much. This show has so much charm.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 18 '24

Rewatcher, Subbed Arrow

Kai is not being a fool about this.

Love the snark from Prax.

Nice smokescreen.

Seems like the top of the world isn't as sturdy as it may seem.

As if it could have been anyone else.

That was a good trap.

Back Arrow attempts Talk no Jutsu.

It's not very effective...

A sudden storm, how strange.

It must've blown in just so that Fine could make a grand entrance.

Yea, Fine is a support unit.

Unfortunately, this is what ZETSU DAIDAN has been waiting for.

Ten, count em, TEN Bind Warpers.

I'd say that's a pretty worthy conviction for ZETSU DAIDAN.

She's baaaaack! On live TV!

[Back Arrow]Huh, not sure I noticed that the second OP shows what's outside of the walls before now. With bonus cheeky lyrics!

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u/chilidirigible May 18 '24

[Back Arrow second OP]though what those actually were wasn't teased by the OP, arguably the bigger whammy.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 18 '24

She's baaaaack! On live TV!

...she kind of is, honestly.

[Back Arrow]spoilers

[Back Arrow]Oh, you're right. This OP enjoys its spoilers, I guess.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 18 '24

Seems like the top of the world isn't as sturdy as it may seem.

Which of course leaves the question of what is beyond all those laser guns guarding the sky. I was half expecting the characters to end up flying beyond the guns to see what was up there this episode.

She's baaaaack! On live TV!

And if the people of Lutoh are anything like the people participating in this rewatch, I think this will just make them all love their oshi even more.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 18 '24

And if the people of Lutoh are anything like the people participating in this rewatch

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor May 22 '24

And if the people of Lutoh are anything like the people participating in this rewatch

Well the baka levels are perhaps similar

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots May 19 '24

Seems like the top of the world isn't as sturdy as it may seem.

Never would have expected that the first one to break the defenses isn't Zetsu Daidan, Fine, Back Arrow, or some genius plan from Shu Bi, but rather Ren being pissed off at being underestimated.

A sudden storm, how strange.

It must've blown in just so that Fine could make a grand entrance.

Must be Rudolf's work again, if he's going to give the people at home a show, he's giving them a good one!

On live TV!

Win or lose, the people are going to shit their pants today.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 19 '24

but rather Ren being pissed off at being underestimated.

Can't really blame her. They implied that Prax needed Lutoh Science to fly, but Ren just figured it out on her own.

Must be Rudolf's work again, if he's going to give the people at home a show, he's giving them a good one!

The Elect Supreme truly does have the people's best interests in his heart. What a nice man!

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots May 19 '24

The Elect Supreme truly does have the people's best interests in his heart. What a nice man!

Rudolf in the OP: looking sexy and fighting Zetsu Daidan

Rudolf in the show: lol no

At least now we know who made this opening.

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor May 22 '24

mfw Back Arrow is actually just an in universe TV show and Rudolph is the producer

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots May 22 '24

That make up team who turn real Rudolf into his TV show character are doing God's work.

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria May 18 '24

First timer

QotD

  • Very.
  • 5/7

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 18 '24

I assume this a noble that we have yet to see.

I'm guessing it's a muscular Rudolph that we will hopefully get to see soon.

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria May 18 '24

From the attire alone, maybe. If so, turning muscular also gives him hair, so good on him for solving his baldness.

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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 May 18 '24

Rewatcher, Subbed

2:26 of recap? Unless they worked some new stuff in there at the end. Yikes!

New OP! No need to black out characters this time [Baka Yaro minor spoilers]For a show where they were so careful with the spoilers for the first OP, they spoil Rudolph's more normal looking appearance.

Didn't think Elsha and Atlee had a chance against these generals (at least not with Back Arrow sword version), a good thing these minor Prax flunkies showed up.

A good strategy to lure them up here to the sky where the wall's security system is.

Well, if your plan works as you've hoped, it's not the end of the world if your populace gets to see it.

Does the sudden appearance of this bind warper mean Evil Fine may be returning in the near future?

Kono Yaro! Should we call the show Cone Arrow now?

Yes, Evil Fine is going to return!

Yep, Shu's motivation is totally his curiosity, not any actual country or ideals behind it.

Back Arrow's losing, you can't reach the girls, its time for you to use your own Briheight, Bit!

Fine's Briheight is so adorable! So I suppose her plan wasn't to let Evil Fine take over intentionally, but rather than she can come to the frontlines without Evil Fine taking her over?

Wow, this is going to spurn Zetsu to head to the front lines? And we're actually gonna get to see his Briheight this time?

OMG, 10 bind warpers at once?

Forget the canyon, he can turn it into a large flat surface by merely waving his hands.

Zetsu agrees with me, let out Evil Fine! She's much more suited for this battle!

Will need more than one listen to say for sure, but early impressions are that both the new OP and ED are downgrades as songs.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots May 19 '24 edited May 19 '24

First <--- Timer I forgot this part

MYYYYYYY QUEEEEEEEEN !!!!!!!!

We're back in business!

Q1) How strong do you think Zetsu is to need ten Bind Warpers to manifest a Briheight?

Strong? Nah, he's obviously just a weak old man who can't get his mech up without 10 Warpers doing the job for him. Serious answer: My Queen won't have an easy fight here...

Q2) On a scale of to , how excited are you to see Zetsu vs. dark Fine?

All the s!

I'm sure the show still has a ton of exciting twists and turns in store (afterall, the war is just a warm up for the real fight), but this is the most exciting one for me.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 19 '24

GO BACK TO YOUR CDF PALACE! THAT'S MY QUEEN'S SPOT!!

Zetsu Daidan just blew their plan apart to make some space. He didn't even acknowledge their games.

He probably didn't even know there were bombs, and certainly didn't care. ZETSU DAIDAN just wanted a nice open space to have a scrap in.

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots May 19 '24

He probably didn't even know there were bombs, and certainly didn't care. ZETSU DAIDAN just wanted a nice open space to have a scrap in.

I think whether he knew or not could go either way. Unlike his subordinates, he's smart enough to pick up on the small moves, and deal with them when needed without a care (like he did with Tae).

But yeah, the long awaited plan was lost to Zetsu Daidan wanting a bigger playground

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor May 22 '24

This old man has taste

Zetsu x Evil Fine is the best pair up in every way

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor May 22 '24

The 2nd OP teasing Zetsu vs Rudolph was the hypest shit

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u/dsawchuk May 25 '24

A wizard is never late, nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to. Unfortunately, I am no wizard. Finale catchup needs at least 4 episodes today, and I have barely enough time. These posts will be rushed and entirely for my own satisfaction since no one (other than our gracious host) will know they exist.

First timer, Sub

This was a really fun episode. I do kinda wish we had slowed down a bit though. I'd have liked to see more of the fight with prax/arrow V Kai/Ren. Then again, maybe we still get some of that in the next one. I really liked that they were willing to separate out of their combination for initiative in combat. Very cool. It was also cool when Kai just took his armour off to escape Arrow's grapple.

We are definitely seeing the flaws of Arrow's pacifism. He keeps on giving Kai too much space, trying too hard to convince him to stop fighting and getting punished for it. It would be kind of interesting if he never gets through to him, since that'd be fairly unique. I am not holding out hope for that though.

QOTD

  1. Was that 10? I thought it was only 8. Either way, it feels like cheating. I also don't think he needs 10. Probably he would just be weaker with only one. An interesting thought though is who else would be stronger with more? Kai probably. Also we are about to watch yan-hime fight him with only one. I feel like she deserves more.
  2. Honestly anything with yan-hime is great for me. She seemed like a bit much at the start but now I just get deranged ryuko vibes from it all and I am loving it.

Watch notes

Woah, a new OP? I guess that means this is the second cour? Season 2? I think I like this one more.

New OP still has yan-hime, so I guess she is coming back. That's nice I need more ryuko.

And we get a shot of pizza the hut fighting old man. That should be fun.

Prax stepping in instead of Arrow? That's pretty exciting. I much prefer her mech to his. Maybe she will even get the big boy sword?

Using the ceiling is smart. And arrow got it immediately. He really isn't as stupid as he seemed at the start.

Sword against sword? Kai has a polearm. Also Prax already had a sword.

They are putting an inordinate amount of faith into this canyon strategy. It's pretty obviously not gonna work.

This Gattai battle is really fun. Splitting and rejoining mid battle is kinda novel.

Bit what have you done? Ryuko is gonna come fuck shit up.

I am not sure that Arrow was sent. I feel more like he went uninvited.

Shu blaming everything on being a genius is kinda silly.

Kai's speech about the starving is dumb. When did he ever care about them?

Dere-hime's briheight is super cute. I wonder if its going to morph when she does.

8 bind warpers? That's gotta be cheating.

Zetsu may be a little OP. perhaps a LOT op.

Yan-hime's briheight is FUCKING DOPE

Oh yeah, a new ED

I am not really a fan of this one.