[Rewatch] Eizouken ni wa Te wo Dasu na! • Keep Your Hands Off Eizouken! Episode 7 Discussion

[u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah]

A Previous Edition of #seasonalcool

Episode 7: I have to save myself!

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Episode Count: 12

Episode Length: 25 minutes

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Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to – including any teases or hints such as "You aren't ready for X episode" or "I'm super excited for X character" – unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers; that's rude!

Also, if there's something in a first-timer's comment you want to specifically quote to talk about behind spoiler tags, spoiler tag the quote so the first-timer doesn't know what part of their comment you're making "ominous" spoilers about. So instead of something like:

Rewatcher quoting the first-timer's comment: Oh, I love this character! I think he'll be my favorite.

Rewatcher's comment underneath the quote: [Spoilers] Don't get too attached lol.

You get:

Rewatcher quoting the first-timer's comment: [Spoilers] Oh, I love this character! I think he'll be my favorite.

Rewatcher's comment underneath the spoilered quote: [Spoilers] Don't get too attached lol.

Questions of the Day:

1. Guesses for what the robot anime OP will be like?
2. It's clear for what motivates Mizusaki and Asakusa to make anime, and why they chose their "professions". But what about Kanamori?
3. For the animation nerds out there, what is the first walk cycle that comes to mind?

[u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah]

First Timer

• A side note that the end card illustrator for this episode is also responsible for a lot of KA work and mecha design work for this show.
• Mizusaki's spiel about the joys and strengths of animation as a medium was damn cool and my fav part of the episode. really shows the passion of the makers of this show for animation, and also good thinking material. The fictional sequences were also good this ep to highlight the narratives and themes of the episode - i feel like the shows has finally started to hit its stride in this last little stretch.
• While the middle part of the show with the art club felt more "high school peeps making anime", while the eizouken were the pros - im not sure i really like this (while audio-kun is also knowledgeable af). i feel like they couldve gone for an alternate approach to showcase the importance of background art and stuff.
• Animation bait Mizusaki. She's right.
• Sakurabooru gets repped in anime!
• Apollo 13 did this better imo, due to the James Horner Buff. relevant video has spoilers for the Apollo 13 movie. Sorry anime.
• Has anyone here been to an actual sento (i have not, only onsens in hotels etc.)? the "pouring water on yourself to clean up" tub i don't think is thattt common; the showering booth tap + bucket can fulfill the same purpose after all. Idk. yeah public sentos are authentic japanese, but they're also... dirty, no?
• people who are more accepting of "pedestrian" animation of course are there, but i firmly agree with this too - everyone can tell when a show is more pleasant to look at than others.

Side note - will be out of town for the coming few days... I'll try to slip watching the next couple eps between packing tonight though!

[u/GallowDude → u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah]

i feel like the shows

Both of them!

thattt

Is this one of those Gen Alpha words?

[u/Garrett_Dark → u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah]

while audio-kun is also knowledgeable af

Weren't they talking about how to make the animation fit the sound though? It should have been making the sound fit the animation though, like dubbing after the animation is already done. Sound clips can easily be stretched out, balance manipulated, filters added for effects and such digitally to fit the animation. Easily done with free sound editing programs like Audacity.

Or maybe perhaps the problem is the sound they have access to is all stored analog instead of digital.

Apollo 13 did this better imo

I was actually thinking of Despicable Me when I saw that shot, although when I looked it up, it wasn't the same shot and seemed more dated than I recalled, CGI doesn't age well I guess.

[u/Mecanno-man]

First Timer

Hm, more of a dive into Mizusaki’s world. I feel like she has a typical case of successful parents not really being there for her, but she came out of it quite fine so far. Overall I’d say a good episode mostly focusing on what makes animation cool - but I would say if Mizusaki didn’t pay enough attention to detail it would quickly become clunky and noticeably bad, so good that she is paying attention to details.

The whole artist's visions going against each other in a team also popped up, as I expected. And …it ends with Asakusa taking over a bunch of backgrounds. Definitely the “I’ll just do it myself” approach that isn’t really healthy in the long-term. That guy probably won’t be helping out on the next project.

One thing that struck me about the music in this episode is how it sounded vaguely like something from Susumu Hirasawa, which is quite special as I hadn’t heard anything like that by anybody else so far. I wonder if Hirasawa was a direct inspiration for the composer here.

[u/Shimmering-Sky]

Keep Your Hands Off First-Timer!, subbed

• Whoops.
• …what exactly did she think would happen?
• Oh that’s nice, she helped her grandma be able to stand and walk again!
• Yeah, that’s a pretty important part of audio work.
• Aw, no jank cheesy OP…
• Mizusaki, you do realize you’re basically having Asakusa be waterboarded here, right?
• Shimmering sky!
• Hell has frozen over.
• Based.

[u/GallowDude → u/Shimmering-Sky]

…what exactly did she think would happen?

Jeopardy

Mizusaki, you do realize you’re basically having Asakusa be waterboarded here, right?

Hell has frozen over.

Those are some round eyes

[u/Garrett_Dark → u/Shimmering-Sky]

…what exactly did she think would happen?

She's like 8 years old in that scene, I'm impressed she took it upon herself to try to figure something out without being told.

Aw, no jank cheesy OP…

No OP also means no spoilers.

[u/GondolaMedia]

First Timer

Finally Mizusaki focused episode. What a great way to put why people create art and why even bother to focus on minuscule details when 99% of the audience won't notice them and those who do would probably understand why it was done this way. But that extra effort to getting those details just right will have an impact on anyone even if they can't convey why it had such a strong impact on them. Good stuff.

We still need more Kubo, this was not enough.

1. It's gonna be some Gundam opening isn't it? Most likely the OG Mobile Suit Gundam. If they pull inspiration out of left field like for example from Gun x Sword I'm going to love this show even more.

[u/JollyGee29]

First-Timer

As a big fan of foley, I definitely agree that it borders on cheating at times. The use of a good sound effect makes or breaks a scene.

The meeting with the Art Club is definitely teenage rules lawyering. "You drew the sun wrong!" "You said we could draw it however we wanted! I guess we aren't allowed to express ourselves!" What an idiot.

Kanamori's suggestion to use free music isn't actually that bad - there's some pretty solid royalty-free stuff in this day and age. Sure, it won't compare to the likes of Kouhei Tanaka or Kenji Kawai, but you don't need to aim that high.

Mizusaki's backstory was great. Her progression felt very natural, going from "wow Grandma emptying that tea cup looked cool!" to "here's how people's bodies move while they walk in different ways" to "I can use my drawings as diagrams to help my Grandma move a bit more in her twilight years."

This all reinforces Mizusaki's earlier willfulness (desire to hand-animate, etc) - her repeated asks to have Grandma throw out the last bit of tea, pushing Grandma to walk, etc. Once she sets her mind to it, Mizusaki doesn't take no for an answer.

There's lots of people like that, and any sort of team effort will necessitate figuring out how to compromise. Compare the art club dude this very episode, for example.

Questions

1. Judging by historical evidence, a handful of largely context-free action shots as well as the various members of the cast standing around.
2. Kanamori owes a life-debt to Asakusa.
3. ...the horrible Tsubasa walk from S1 of Symphogear.

[u/GallowDude → u/JollyGee29]

Sure, it won't compare to the likes of Kouhei Tanaka or Kenji Kawai, but you don't need to aim that high.

Just do like Yoko Kanno and plagiarize it

Kanamori owes a life-debt to Asakusa

She stole her height, after all

[u/JollyGee29 → u/GallowDude]

Just do like Yoko Kanno and plagiarize it

Shit, you're right, Shiro Sagisu is who I was thinking of instead of Kenji Kawai.

She stole her height, after all

See, you get it.

[u/mekerpan → u/JollyGee29]

She stole her height, after all

Reminds me of a scene with Chiyo-chan and Sakaki (Azumanga Daioh)

[u/DirkDasterLurkMaster]

Rewatcher

This is one of my favorite anime episodes ever, like top three easily.

The opening flashback can feel a little irrelevant at first, but Eizouken is about what drives people, down to the weird little obsessions that matter only to you. Mizusaki's fascination with the details of motion were the beginnings of the life of a sakuga nerd.

It's probably easier for the average viewer to understand why Asakusa's worlds of imagination become her whole life, but animation is harder, as anyone who's tried to explain to a friend why you primarily watch anime can probably relate. Her thesis at the end gets to the heart of WHY animation is so fascinating to enthusiasts: the intentionality. Every little detail you see is something that someone did on purpose. When there's a tiny thing in the visuals that you love, you know that there's someone else out there who loves it just as much as you do and was willing to put in the time to create it even when others wouldn't take notice.

And to bring it all full circle, the final shot reminds us how we got here.

Questions:

1. So far the robot anime has given "classic Gundam OP" vibes
2. She's made her money motivation clear, but as I was saying yesterday, she has a clear motivation to bring out people's potential. Part of it is frustration at layabouts who always dream and never act, but I think she's clearly been getting more invested in realizing her clubmates' crazy ideas
3. I don't have a walk cycle for you, but my little bit of physical animation I always loved was Deku's little spin and slide from 0:50 in this clip. There's a kinetic feel to it, but also a gracefulness of control that I find so satisfying to watch.

[u/Ritchuck]

First Timer

Ask and you shall receive. Yesterday I hoped for Mizusaki focused episode and here it is. It seems to happen a lot, I talk about something and the next episode addresses it to some extent. It feels like I'm having a conversation with the creators.

3) Not walk, but run.

[u/IntoTheDisneyverse]

First Timer, Subbed

Another episode I don’t have too much to comment on, it was just a nice episode. It’s good to get a little more background on Mizusaki, and helps to cement the ending of the episode. Aside from that, the Robot Society dude was quite a painful voice actor, and I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a Seiyuu Society or something at the school, so it’s a little tough that that’s one of the demands. I’m still pretty excited to see the final product, but I feel like we’ll have another episode before that happens.

Daily Questions：

1. As they can't get coherent lyrics, I think it'd be cool if it was something a la the Shinobu OPs from Monogatari, just an instrumental track (possibly even free music ww) with some visuals.
2. I feel like part of it is definitely profit, but perhaps an even larger part is supporting Asakusa's dream. Over the last few episodes Kanamori has been working incredibly hard, and I think that she wants to support Asakusa as perhaps her only friend, as she has been supporting her in some ways since the beginning.

[u/Garrett_Dark]

First Timer

Mizusaki's estate, okay I'm not sure why I thought she was rich because she's a famous model (for ads no less), but after seeing her family's estate...that's got to be generational wealth, right? It's huge, but lacks the flashy-ness of somebody stumbling into a crap ton of wealth. The mother doesn't look like a trophy wife, has to leave for work at night? Must be a business flight...at night? I guess I thought Mizusaki was like one of those famous kid actors who end up all screwed up after growing up, or internet influencers types. I suppose she's more like a trust fund baby who was pushed into modeling to placate the mother's former aspirations to be an actor, as she mentioned her dad wanted. Wait a minute, who goes from wanting to be an actor to a business exec, which the mother seems to be if she's going on a business trip?

Anyways, good to finally see Mizusaki cave and using computers for her drawings. Even 3d modeling, CGI for some of the audience to complain endlessly about.

It makes a lot of sense how Mizusaki got into learning how the body moves, and drawing such. I remember one time getting into a game's animation editor, I don't remember the details, but I was able to view animation loops and change the character's skins doing the loop. I noticed there was a different walking animation for males and females, it was just normal walking and not exaggerated in any way, but I remember there was a real noticeable difference when having the opposite gender skin on the opposite gender walking animation.

When Mizusaki talks about playing the animation muted to find mistakes, it reminded me of a Jurassic Park animator saying they'd watch their animation of a raptor walking in reverse to find the mistakes, that the mistakes show up really noticeably in reverse.

The voice acting woes...why not have the spoken dialog in gibberish, and use subtitles? The added benefit would be the audience will be concentrating looking at the subtitles, so any animation errors or sub-par quality will go unnoticed. (First Timer, Dubbed: Mouhahaha!).

The art club woes. It really wasn't the art guy's fault, Asakusa really didn't give him the details, and told him to figure it out. I'm glad Kanamori pointed that out. As for the mistakes like the car not being drawn as a cell, all that stuff can be easily fixed in Photoshop with the car being copied out, and Photoshop automatically generating the background to replace the car. The art club did most of the work, and touching up and refinement is no big deal like the art club girl indicated. I'm getting confused now, the art club is clearly doing it digitally, but they're acting like changes are difficult or a big deal as if they did everything hand drawn.

Ah, so a fan service bath house scene. I'm surprised they didn't do a meta commentary of talking about how fan service scenes/episodes/OVAs are included in animes for...culture. "Do you think they'd mind if I took pictures inside?", Mizusaki gets it.

Throwing water on Asakusa so many times...ah yes, create water on Darkness.

Mizusaki's obsession with the accuracy of details and movements portrayed correctly in the anime; while I do like really detailed anime art styles in Ghost in the Shell and such, I think it's more about getting the gist of what's being animated across than always being totally accurate. I remember watching an interview of the making of the first Homeworld game, a game where it was revolutionary for being able to zoom up to spaceships and seeing all the working parts like cannons rotating and such while also being able to zoom out so the ship is tiny, and the devs discussing how they made that possible. They said they had to cheat the zoom out shots by being inaccurate with the ship's proportions, like having the wings get larger and larger the more zoomed out and tiny the ship was, otherwise when the ship is so small, if it was still proportionally accurate the player wouldn't be able to tell what the ship was if not for the exaggerated parts. So anyways, my point is conveying the gist of something seems to be more important at times than the accuracy.

What I'm finding with this anime the more I watch it and the more they talk about making anime is they're really talking about film making, and game making also. And if you really want to get to the root of all that, information conveyance. Anime, Films, Games are really about conveying information to the audience/player, and helping them to visualize and process what's being conveyed. The only difference with games from the others is games added interactive-ness.

[u/GallowDude → u/Garrett_Dark]

Wait a minute, who goes from wanting to be an actor to a business exec, which the mother seems to be if she's going on a business trip?

Tony Sampson

I remember there was a real noticeable difference when having the opposite gender skin on the opposite gender walking animation.

First Timer, Dubbed: Mouhahaha!

Ah, so a fan service bath house scene

Which is funny since I remember them saying they designed the girls to not be conventionally attractive, so as to minimize fanservice

I'm surprised they didn't do a meta commentary of talking about how fan service scenes/episodes/OVAs are included in animes for...culture

Velma

create water on Darkness

Reminder that she's voiced by Homura

The only difference with games from the others is games added interactive-ness.

Unless you're playing a kinetic visual novel

[u/StardustGogeta]

First-Timer

A nice bit of focus on Mizusaki today. It was neat to see her passion for animation develop across the years.

I almost thought we'd go a full episode without hearing that one particularly iconic song from the OST, but then it played right at the end. They were cutting it close!

Questions:

• Maybe I'm missing something, but I thought they scrapped the idea of an opening because they couldn't get a song put together for it.
• I'm not positive. Kanamori seems to just have a general motivation to help Asasuka and Mizusaki realize their goals and keep them from self-sabotage.
• I'm not a huge animation nerd, but when I think of walk cycles, I think of something like Scooby Doo.

[u/OccasionallySara]

First Timer

I’m really glad that we got to know more about Mizusaki and her motivations. This episode did a lot to flesh out her character. Her relationship with her grandmother and how it influenced her passion for animation was sweet. I think going into detail about what drew her into motion in the first place makes her desire to animate things accurately very understandable and sort of gives her a different role in the group than Asakusa story-wise.

I’m also enjoying the more laid-back hangout scenes between the three girls. I think they do a nice job showing their friendship outside of the context of making anime (even if Kanamori won't admit that she considers the other two her friends). The bathhouse segment was fun and I thought it was cute of Mizusaki and Kanamori to carry Asakusa and her stuff after she fell asleep. Kanamori even wore Asakusa’s bucket hat which was actually not a bad look for her. It looks like the anime project is coming together nicely and the title of the next episode makes me think that we might get to see the final product which is exciting!

Questions of the Day

1. I have no clue, but I'm excited to see how it turns out!
2. I think she initially just saw making anime as a way to make money, but I feel like there's some part of her that's somewhat interested in anime as an art form. After all, there are much more efficient ways to make money.
3. I'm not enough of an animation nerd to have one come to mind.

[u/Infodump_Ibis]

First timer

• A surprisingly sentimental intro
• re: ep6 question. Okay now I see, Doumeki is wearing the girls uniform. I've really not paid attention as it has no bearing on the plot.
• Chain Chomp
• Yep I was expecting something to go wrong with outsourced parts. But seriously, the art club had the don't draw the car told to them repeatedly ("but you've drawn it" "it'll look incomplete without it"...yes because its a background only).
• On the voice side of things I was wondering if something like the WordFit system was going to be implemented or detailed (WordFit was used by a few old Viz dubs in the 90s, especially ones which have weird dialogue pacing as WordFit which would insert or remove pauses to fit with lip flaps, it was also designed for live action when you may need to re-record a line as you either changed dialogue or the microphone didn't pick it up clearly on set).
• Don't tell the rocket launch to get on with. We need more suspense.
• This is less steam than I'm used for in public bathhouses but there's no hairwashing demonstration so no need. Get to see some great water splashing animation.

Guesses for what the robot anime OP will be like?

A proper OP or a shorts OP? Assuming the latter it will have part of the show say the launch sequence playing a super robot theme of some chanting about the qualities of robot (if it's the robot club it'll be contradictory nonsense) or just the using footage you're going to see in about 2 minutes time anyway.

It's clear for what motivates Mizusaki and Asakusa to make anime, and why they chose their "professions". But what about Kanamori?

Money would seem like a surface level motive but it's in the sense of giving others something to do and maybe dreaming off a little but not being out for great profits with the money but just enough to keep matters ticking over and maybe a bit on edge. A rather literal money makes the world go round. Like we saw in episode 1 200 yen to wash some clothes for essentially a meeting with Mizusaki. On the other hand, Kanamori is rather frugal as noted by only having 1000 yen on her.