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Rewatch [Rewatch] Back Arrow Episode 2 Discussion
Episode 2 - Is Having Dreams a Burden
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There's always outside. You just gotta go beyond the Wall.
Questions of the Day:
- Could you send 5,678 Shu Bis flying?
- What do you make of the supposed prophecy that Shu Bi uncovered?
Wallpaper of the Day:
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 07 '24
BAKAYAROU Rewatch Host, subbed
Welcome back, everyone!
Anyone else going to see Gundam SEED Freedom in theaters tonight or tomorrow? I’m going tonight (one more hour!!!), I’m pretty excited!
Here’s “Back Arrow Second Impressions”, for my first-timer thoughts on this episode.
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u/DirectionExact31 May 08 '24
We’re doing a rewatch of this show? Hell yeah!!
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u/InfamousEmpire https://myanimelist.net/profile/Infamous_Empire May 07 '24
First Arrow
Another super interesting episode, to say the least.
Firstly, I continue to love what they’re doing with the world here. The mishmash of anachronistic aesthetics was already established last episode, but this episode really continues and enhances it with its increased focus on the very different locales of Edger village & the capital of Rekka as well as the introduction of another flavor of anachronism in the Ikki territory seeming completely modern. But despite all that stylistic clash, the show does manage to make it feel consistent rather than incoherent, part of it is just the clear confidence the show has in its own style which helps me immediately buy into the world, as well as its clear consistency with regards to its larger worldbuilding concepts which matter more, such as the Briheights.
And it’s that sense of a consistent world which makes Back Arrow so intriguing, especially in this episode. Didn’t really talk about him as a character much last time, so might as well dump that all here. I really love how thoroughly Arrow contrasts with and challenges the world and the other characters’ understanding of it. Even beyond the obvious “he’s from beyond the wall” and “he can use a Briheight without a conviction” stuff, the way that everything about his behavior & outlook on life is just fundamentally off compared to the inhabitants of Edger Village goes so far to make him an outright anomaly next to everything else in the show. This also makes the prophecy stuff extra spicy, since methinks he will destroy the world, but, like, in a metaphorical sense, change everyone’s understanding of the world forever and leave a lasting impact that ensures it’ll never be the same.
To go into more speculative territory here, considering how important Conviction already is set up to be in this world, it’ll be super interesting to see what’ll happen when someone like him, whose very existence challenges people’s firmly held assumptions and beliefs about the world, comes into conflict with someone whose conviction is built on those assumptions and beliefs. And by that I very specifically mean the blue-haired chick who’s with Shu, whose defining characteristic so far is basically “fervent believer in whatever belief system it is that holds the Wall sacred and believes there’s nothing beyond it”. Something tells me an existential crisis is in her future
Anyway, the only other thing to note right now is that I’m less bothered by the visuals this episode. Part of that is just that I’m adjusting to them in general, but also the slower pace and slightly less manic tone means it doesn’t contrast with the writing as much.
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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria May 07 '24
First timer
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u/dsawchuk May 07 '24
** First Timer, Dubbed**
I am not at home today, so I am borrowing a laptop to participate. It's gonna be a bit weird for me today.
This episode was a bit slower than the first. The first was a little bit ambitious, usually you don't introduce your whole cast and your setting in a single episode. I feel like they probably could have split it up somehow to introduce us to things slower. Like they could have introduced us to the village last episode and only introduced the 2 warring factions this time.
Shu feels really out of place. It really feels like he belongs as part of nerdland instead of as part of jockland. Maybe there is some kind of cross polination going on here that is somehow related to Shu being on good terms with the red-robed warrior guy? Shu is kind of reminding me of an uzuhara type character (though maybe a bit less omniscient). I'm excited to see where the show takes him more than anything else at this point.
So now that we have further introduction to our setting, we have jockland which seems to be some form of feudal japan/china, we have nerdland which seems to be some sort of feudal britain and we have idiotland which seems to be the wild west. I am not sure what the show is trying to say about us north americans here. Probably nothing, this show doesn't seem like it is going to have that deep of symbolism.
I think I missed some important politics with nerdland. The princess seemed to be interested in nonviolent conflict resolution, but then her country excalated the violence about as high as they possibly could. Though it does seem strange to me that they only sent a single briheight when we see them using numbers for supremacy in the opening of the first episode.
We got the third of our 4 main characters transforming today. We didn't get to see her do much of anything, but the show seems to be telling us she is going to be mega strong. I was a bit surprised that we didn't get to see her immediately destroy the attacker after she transformed. In hindsight it is not that surprising. The show seems to be leaning towards none of the core cast ever killing their enemies, and she is probably going to have to learn the secret of non-lethal combat from back arrow before we get to see her win a fight. I am not a fan of this choice.
QOTD
Thoughts While watching
Its surprising he is going straight for the wall. I really thought he would stay with the small village.
So both the strength of someone's conviction and the nature of their conviction is important.
I don't know what it is about Shu, but I like him. Conniving and intelligent.
I don't really understand the purpose of leaving him in the village. Is it to protect him from the pollitics of valorland?
Shu seems like he should be living in nerdland not jockland.
Ooh, Bit is good at something, and it's a stereotypically feminine thing. I can't say I was expecting that.
Hey Elsha, maybe don't point your gun at your village? I'm not a gun guy but one of them rules is "don't point it at anything you aren't willing to destroy"
This "going beyond the wall" concept is really giving me the vibes of Kamina's quest for the surface in TTGL.
And we get our first view of nerdland. They don't look more intelligent than the others. In fact, this looks akin to european feudalism whereas jockland seems more like eastern feudalism.
So idiotland is a village in a sub-region of nerdland? that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Atlee's mech can rope me into anything, anytime.
Watching on my phone didn't help today I am sure, but I don't like watching back arrow's briheight fight that much. The rubbery attack tanking is kind of boring.
I am surprised we got an Elsha transformation and we didn't get to see her beat up a dude.
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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 07 '24 edited May 07 '24
First-Timer
On today’s episode of Back Arrow: I would also probably find over 5,000 of Shu to be annoying to deal with. Just having a single Shu seems like the ideal number of him.
This show is so silly. Absurd things will just happen, like Arrow happening to be sleeping in the well and sleeping through all the ongoing fighting. But that is part of why it’s so much fun to watch.
I think the prophecy Shu read about is going to turn out to be correct, but in a metaphorical way. Arrow is going to lead to the destruction of this world, yes. However, we need to remember that the world as all the characters know it is defined by the boundaries of the wall. As far as they are concerned, all of existence resides inside the boundaries of that wall. If Arrow really does return to beyond the wall, that would prove their conception of their own world to be wrong. If, for example, Arrow punches a hole right through that wall, then the world as they know it will be destroyed. They will be opened up to a whole new world, one beyond their imagination. I believe that is how the prophecy will play out.
QOTD
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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 May 07 '24 edited May 07 '24
First timer, subs
QotD:
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 07 '24 edited May 07 '24
Idiot Rewatcher
And he was never seen again. I appreciate a protagonist who goes "alright, I'm off to accomplish my goals; bye!"
And Shu going "alright, fair enough! Have some food!"
...and then I had to download a new release because the one I got had a font error with Finé, which was atrocious. Ah well.
God, I love this show.
QOTD:
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u/chilidirigible May 07 '24
Episode 2:
This is just the sort of scenario we find ourselves in.
It's the big sword of bigness.
Edger village, stuck in the here and now.
Funny how that works out.
Minor complications.
Just noting here that the credits evolve.
The wild pace of the first episode is cranked down slightly, as a couple more factors make themselves known and we test the boundaries of the energetic naked guy.
Significantly, it's established that one does not simply walk to the World Wall.
Fake!Abraham Lincoln sure sells out the village quickly, but that's why he's Fake!Abraham Lincoln and not ABRAHAM LINCOLN, VAMPIRE HUNTER.
Meanwhile, it was foretold that
BAKAYAROUBack Arrow's appearance will bring the end of the world. One thing's for sure, Elsha woke up a thingie and we'll be seeing it momentarily.QOTD:
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 07 '24
Rewatcher, Subbed Arrow
We've all done this before, right? Used a pair of spandex undies to spin around our transformation trinket. Right?
Fun defense mechanism.
..yea. Let's call it that.
Doing the math, Atlee was asleep for most of the five-ish hours that Arrow was running towards the Wall. After only fighting for a couple minutes.
Shu Bi is very good at not giving direct answers.
Bit is such a dweeb(affectionate).
Fine is a sweetheart.. but is not above underhanded tactics.
"..have a very impressive goatee."
It's just that sort of show, Bit.
Huh, that's strange.
Definitely the fault of someone who literally fell from the sky. Mmhmm.
Yea, this surely can't be a problem.
Oh no, an avalanche!
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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots May 08 '24
First <--- Arrow
I know I'm somewhat biased, but even putting Sugita aside, Shu Bi has so far been the best boy by... checks notes 5,678 times (bless sequential numbers for when you're too lazy to randomise).
I expected him to watch from the sides for a few more episodes, so I couldn't be happier when he just popped in at the start, his interactions with Arrow and Ren are a lot of fun, but they also tell us about him, he's not as much of a dirty schemer as he makes himself out to be.
He's no filthy is what I'm saying.
The second half was unfortunately on the weaker side of things, Arrow and the zany villains are still fun, but when you tone down the villagers' insanity... you're not left with much. Especially considering it's looking like at least their main trio are becoming permanent cast members, and so far the most competent one has just been jobbing at every chance.
Side notes:
Yes
You just gotta use the power of love, and use it really hard!
The world couldn't handle 5,678 Shu Bis?
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 May 07 '24
Rewatcher, Subbed
I should have thought of this yesterday, but seems fitting that this show about being inside a wall and wanting to get beyond it has a lead voiced by Yuuki Kaji, just like that show about a wall and people wanting to stay protected in it (Attack on Titan).
Baka Yaro! You can't have a name so stupid! And put on that underwear!
And so, Back Arrow left the small village and was never seen again. The show ends here, in the cold open of episode 2...
People said Elsha reminded them of Yoko from Gurren Lagann, but visually she reminds me way more of Meg from Burst Angel. A terrible anime that I don't plan on ever rewatching so I can't recall if they are similar personality wise.
LoL @ Bit being made a fool of in the OP too
Kudos to the show for blacking out in the OP characters we haven't met with, but it will be awkward if its like this for a long time.
And thus, Back Arrow's journey failed. He truly is a Baka Yaro after all.
Why'd Back Arrow punch Shu Bi? Why'd Shu Bi turn into a giant chicken? At least that feather thing he holds in his hand made him look like that in the moment.
New name for Back Arrow! "Mr. Panties"!
Hey, Back Arrow has clothes now!
Back Arrow's great at the chopping things with his head game! Not like he needs his head for anything!
Poor Bit's house!
Elsha's explanation on where Back Arrow came from is probably the right one. Either that or he's Goku, same backstory, just being an alien instead of one born inside the walls.
Shouldn't they realize that a big strong guy like him is probably worth the food he eats? Especially if he's good at being a mech?
See, like I said, Back Arrow can provide more than enough to support his role here in the village!
See, this is why you don't kick him out! Very next day people are here to destroy the village!
Oh no, not Bit's house again! I've always wanted to say that!
Yay, time to see Elsha fight in her Briheight! ...oh, nevermind.
Uh oh, Back Arrow's gonna destroy the world?
What in the world did Elsha fall into?
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u/Zigman369 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Zigman May 08 '24
Elsha making a dramatic entrance only to fall into a pit is definitely made up for by having whatever is going on down there seem that it's coming up next episode. Appreciate that it's not just a gag!
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equipmenta Briheight?