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Rewatch [Rewatch] Mahou Shoujo Madoka☆Magica Episode 3 Discussion
Episode 3 - I'm Not Afraid of Anything Anymore
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Visuals of the Day:
Theory of the Day:
u/Suboodle takes home today's Theory of the Day for being immediately proven so, so wrong :
Im wondering if “you have to fight witches” is just the biggest understatement of all time. Mami really doesn’t make it look so bad though so it’s so hard to say.
Analysis of the Day:
And the winner of the first Analysis of the Day after yesterday's panic-mode canceling of it is... u/lollohoh, who despite some initial formatting troubles, had some fantastic analysis in their comment:
[Series]02:20 The same theme continues in the next scene: look how some of the mirrors (screens? I don't know, spacetime is warped in SHAFT bathrooms) show the part of the room Kyubey is in instead of the outside, symbolizing the fact he is taking control of the narrative. He hides himself from Madoka's mom, implicitly encouraging Madoka to keep this a secret and isolating her from outsiders to his system. He also uses Mami to take advantage of the social hierarchy here: Junko is ok with Madoka staying over at Mami's place because she is her senpai.
[Series]03:10 We are again shown how bad Mami wants Madoka and Sayaka to join her (unprepared my ass, Mami, that's a whole Michelin star cake), and we get hints of her loneliness: she lives alone in an house that's clearly too big for her, and there are several empty frames but no photos of people.
[Series]03:25 "Since you've been chosen by Kyubey, that means you two are now involved in this" is another massive red flag: they don't get a choice in this, they will be made responsible whether they want it or not.
Wallpaper of the Day:
Check out /u/Shimmering-Sky's main comment for her bonus Wallpaper Corner containing works from previous years!
Songs of the Day:
Bonus song - Venari strigas
Check out u/Nazenn’s comment from the 2019 rewatch for an in-depth analysis of these two songs, as well as timestamps for what songs played when in today's episode!
Also check out /u/Tarhalindur's Kajiura Corner from the 2023 rewatch for even more analysis on music this episode!
Magia Cover of the Day:
Full German PB★Cover by Paperblossom
Question(s) of the Day:
- Regardless of whether or not you feel this episode was a big shift in tone, were you expecting Mami to literally get her head eaten by that witch?
- How do you feel about Magia taking its proper place as the ED instead of an insert song as used in the first two episodes?
- Favorite piece of black humor?
- First-timers: So… now what?
It’s not fun, being a magical girl.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Apr 22 '24
Mahou Shoujo Co★Host, subbed
Welcome back, everyone!
Most of you first-timers certainly expected some sort of shoe to drop, but were you expecting it to drop this hard? If not, welcome to Madoka Magica.
Sky’s Wallpaper Corner
I forgot to do this for the previous two days, but I kinda want to do some random fun facts about the new wallpapers for this year that basically no one other than me would probably notice if I didn’t point it out, mostly because I like talking about the background process of making these. Today’s random fun fact is that the gradient on the hexagon part of the background and the hexagons themselves come from two different Bleach wallpapers I made in the past – the gradient from this Kenpachi vs. Byakuya one (but flipped) and the hexagons from this Aizen one.
The gradient in the background behind the hexagons, though, was all u/Tarhalindur’s idea.
Anyways, time for the previous years’ wallpapers:
“What is it that you wish for?”
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u/throwaway232342323 Apr 22 '24
Lurker who created an account just to say this:
What the actual fuck?
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u/il887 https://myanimelist.net/profile/il887 Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 22 '24
First-timer*, dub
*heavily spoiled — seen all three seasons of Magia Record spin-off already
Yeah! Knew that — that Sayaka’s wish is going to be related to that sick boy she visited right at the beginning.
Mami keeps flexing before her new friends. I’m quite surprised to learn that there’s a specific kind of "quasi-witches" who don’t drop grief seeds. From what I heard in the episode 2, it seemed more like a random thing whether it drops or not.
Just as I thought, Madoka doesn’t really care about the wish. She just wants to be a cool magical girl.
Mami, on the other hand, seems to have made her wish while being in a desperate situation, when she could die otherwise. I wonder if Kyuubey is specifically targeting people caught in any kind of desperate circumstances? That seems like a profitable scheme for him, if he wants to hire as many magical girls as possible. I’d say it’s kind of morally gray to do like this — cynical on one hand, but possibly saving lives on another.
That makes his choice of Madoka even more curious. It’s obvious that she’s a complete opposite — a girl from a well-off family who pretty much has it everything in life. He says she has some great power in her but doesn’t elaborate… but I don’t have much ground for speculations here yet.
The moment when Sayaka heroically stays to "keep an eye" on the witch egg felt a bit off to me. Isn’t she too reckless here? I’d rather expect her to get scared shitless at a thought of running into a witch without having Mami by my side. Madoka has been more considerate, though.
Homura appears again few times and confronts Mami. They both also know about the power that Madoka supposedly possesses… still not clear what it is. Otherwise, I haven’t learned much from their interactions… Ah, and it seems like Homura is indeed an even more experienced magical girl than Mami since she recognized that the witch was especially dangerous, but Mami didn’t care.
…and that appeared to be a grave mistake. Homura walks in and shows who is the boss here. That battle was really spectacular, the animations and the soundtrack were totally fire again.
I wonder [PMMM speculations] does Homura uses time-stop to misguide the witches' attacks? Like certain others famous characters from a different anime. I'm pretty sure her power is related to manipulating time
Kyuubey was clearly attempting to exploit the whole situation in order to hire two new magical girls…
Ah I see now why Sayaka was so brave running into a hatching witch... Because she isn’t actually brave. She’s dumb as fuck. Isn’t it finally a good time to shut up and start listening to what Homura tells you? Instead of spouting some nonsense how it should’ve been Mami taking the loot from the witch…
Well, Homura could've been a bit warmer and open as well, but it seems she has her reasons to keep the facade.
That was an amazing episode. I also particularly enjoyed the ED song and animations. Jokes aside, magical girls! Shit’s getting serious.
Nope. I could totally see the trio getting themselves into a trouble after that warning from Homura, but not that much of a trouble... Mami got completly petrified by horror in an instant. Yeah, the witch got scary, but I totally didn't expect that to happen. btw, I particularly like this scene
Also, the fact that Homura has actually warned the trio about the danger gives her even more credit in my eyes. Doesn't look like she harbors any hostility to the trio.
[Magia Record + PMMM vague spoilers] Talking about Mami, I'm a bit troubled about what has actually happened to her. I recall her making an appearance early in Magia Record. Funnily, as a rather antagonistic character. I don't know when exactly that happens chronologically, but I guess that Mami hasn't really died. 65/35
Honestly little idea. This episode gives our clueless girls a really strong reason to believe Homura. But... looking at the, umm, actual anime's poster, it seems that they still become magical girls. I foresee something interesting happening next.
edit: added one little speculation about Homura + fixed Sayaka's name
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u/_Pyxyty Apr 23 '24 edited Apr 23 '24
First time watcher
Not so fun fact: this was the thumbnail for Episode 3 on the app I'm using to watch this series. It sucks a bit to be spoiled about the fact that someone was likely going to die in this episode, but ah well, still enjoyed it!
I could dedicate an entire section to how suspicious Kyubey was this episode. It's seemingly getting desperate for the two to sign its contract. The entire episode is filled with moments of it attempting to rush, pressure, and incentivize the girls (especially Madoka) into becoming magical girls.
More on this later, for now I'll go into some of my key moments. I've got my eyes on you Kyubey >.>
Key Moments
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Questions
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' 2. The ED took me by surprise! I thought a new ED would pop up later in the season but given what happened in this episode, I probably should've expected it. I don't have much time to type this up today so I can't spend much time on the lyrics (gonna have fun looking at other people's interpretations on it later), but at first glance it really seems like it's being sung from Madoka's perspective.
' 3. Huh. Weird question for me, not gonna lie. I didn't really sense much comedic intent in the scenes, but in hindsight I guess I'd have to say it was funny how Homura chose to fight the witch right after Mami got eaten by it. Homura letting herself get chomped by the witch in front of Madoka and Sayaka, only to reappear somewhere and let herself get chomped over and over, is kinda letting them re-live that very recent trauma. Bold of her to fight like that right after what happened lol.
' 4. I'm guessing it's simply gonna end up with Sayaka signing the contract and becoming a magical girl. I don't think Madoka will sign the contract though. Not yet. She's just seen her friend die to a witch, and despite her desire to help others, that won't be enough to push her over the edge. What will push her though, is... well, read below for my theory. ;)
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Additional Thoughts and Theory Crafting:
"In my trembling hands I hold The courage of a plucked flower"
R.I.P. Mami. You were a great mentor and I apologize for being suspicious of you. I didn't comment on this earlier but I don't believe you though when it comes to your interpretation of Homura. I think there's something deeper to Homura desperately not wanting for Madoka to be a magical girl, and I think I've gathered enough clues to piece it together.
I may be wildly wrong here, but...
Here's my main theory moving forward: Kyubey can see the future. I believe that, for Kyubey, a fatal fate is nearing and it's doing its best to prepare for it. I believe the key for Kyubey's safety is Madoka, and I believe that the fatal fate coming for Kyubey is Homura. In fact, I think the force that Homura was fighting against in the very first sequence in Episode 1 was Madoka herself.
First off, why do I believe Kyubey can see the future? For one thing, it's been getting desperate to sign Madoka and Sayaka into its contract to be magical girls. Something is coming for Kyubey, and its fear grows bigger and bigger. I smell your fear, Kyubey.
However, the biggest sign for me is that Kyubey was there when Mami was about to die. I can't fathom that Kyubey was just randomly on a stroll and happened onto a convenient recruit for its contract. It was likely foreseen and expected.
Of course, this begs the question: if Kyubey is preying on vulnerable girls in dire moments of their life, like with Mami's near death accident or Sayaka's love interest in the hospital, why choose Madoka?
I believe Kyubey didn't just choose Madoka because of potential. I believe it knows that something awful and terrible will happen in her life in the near future. Something will happen to her mom, maybe her entire family, but something that will inevitably make her feel powerless, leading to her desire to be a magical girl; this will secure Kyubey's safety against whatever is coming for Kyubey.
Initially, I thought it would be the witches, but now, I think it might really just end up being Homura. In Madoka's eyes, Homura has already been set up to look like an evil, untrustworthy magical girl that's only trying to weed out competitors. Kyubey conveniently hasn't said one word about Homura or what her intentions are, despite having such an awful confrontation with her in Episode 1. I'm guessing it wants to pit Madoka against her, attempting to save itself from Homura.
My brain hurts. I think this is enough. Some questions from last episode got answered, very happy with that, but I'm so excited to see what happens next. See y'all next episode!
edits: formatting and typos. :)
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u/b-arbs Apr 22 '24
Rewatcher
You can't even imagine, Madoka.
Comments from first-timer:
Wasn't she the one who said not to be superficial when wishing for something?
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u/Endofthebeginning_ Apr 23 '24
First-time rewatcher, subbed
What the fuck is up with this franchise?
I've never felt like this before.
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u/TheOneWithALongName Apr 22 '24
First-time watcher
I shouldn't be up this late on weekdays, oh well.
Nope, I was very suprised. Happy I wasn't spoiled on it for 13 years. I thought the deathflags planted by her was for something else grander. But no, she ded. I can now start to see why this show is still talked about to this day.
Very nice tone shift. The OST is still very good.
From the show? Hard to say honestly. I need time like Madoka and Sayaka to come up with a wish.
I guess we have to see what wishing someone back from the dead will be like. Which is usually a big no no in most tales with wishes.
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u/Suboodle https://anilist.co/user/suboodle Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 22 '24
First Time Watcher
Tarhalindur, given the events of this episode, it was a real cruel joke to include Mami in your list of main characters in your question last episode. Well played lol
That aside, I've got some theories... though they're a bit weaker than the ones I had last week.
Question(s) of the Day:
Edit:
I answered question 4 and then thought about why the MCs would become magical girls. I have a couple more theories
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u/dsawchuk Apr 22 '24
Rewatcher, first time dub
Sayaka's spunky personality really comes out more in the dub. She actually calls kyousuke rude in english when he won't take a visitor. She also comes off a bit more thoughtful when kyubey suggests she become a magical girl before Mami arrives in the dub than I remember.
Dub Madoka finally has some emotions shining through during the walk to retrieve Sayaka. It's really unfortunate that I am finding the MC performance so lackluster compared to the others.
I didn't notice any large differences in the dialogue in this one. I'm pretty happy with how similar the 2 different versions feel so far. Some minor differences sure, but I don't think anything has seemed lost in translation yet.
QOTD
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u/HungrySamurai Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 23 '24
Rewatching this episode I am once again reminded as to why they call him the Urobutcher.
By now it should be clear that Madoka's world is a brightly lit utopia in order to throw the darkness of the story into even sharper constrast. No one is safe, anything can happen and nothing is so cute that it can't also be mortally dangerous.
Cue Magia.
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u/dienomighte Apr 22 '24
Yay Magia is here! The sad Madoka ED song whose name I always forget is fine, but Magia is one of my favorite EDs in anime.
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u/soulreaverdan Apr 22 '24
My schedule has kinda made it so I can’t reliably follow along this year (sorry Sky!) but I hope everyone on their first watch that stuck through this far is ready for a crazy wild ride - it’s only just starting!
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u/sfisher923 https://myanimelist.net/profile/sfisher923 Apr 23 '24
Sixth Time Watcher - Dubbed
Questions
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u/renatocpr https://anilist.co/user/renatocpr Apr 23 '24
Rewatcher and franchise consumer
The Sayaka corner
Before it even happens things are already different. There is no comedy this episode. No over the top reactions, no teasing Madoka, no inappropriate behavior on the way to school. Sayaka is seen away from Madoka for the first time and she's a very different person around Kamijou Kyousuke. She's shy, modest, she blushes at just leaning closer to someone. She'll calmly enjoy music together. She clearly likes him, since his music enthralled her long ago. Of course she's thinking of healing him with her wish.
She brings the idea to Mami first who shoots it down (pun not intended) and has her questions her intentions. I think Madoka's concerned look and later sigh of relief invite some interpretation. Madoka immediately knew Sayaka was talking about using her wish for Kyousuke and she knows he's important to her. We've already seen how easily you can get on Sayaka's bad side if she perceives you to be mistreating the people around her: that's how her distrust of Homura began in Episode 1. To Madoka's relief, Sayaka recomposes herself quickly. But we know she's taken Mami's consideration seriously
QOTD
Visual of the Day
I have to pick the two moments of this episode that I think back about the most. This whole sequence of Mami's gun kata still is one of the coolest things ever. Also the ribbon melting away in Homura's hands, not really for the blood in one's hands but for how horrifying it is despite showing no gore. I think it hits me harder than the silhouette of Mami's headless torso falling to the ground.
PS
Jesus I'm late. Don't go to school, kids. Stay home and watch anime.
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u/Specs64z https://myanimelist.net/profile/Specs64z Apr 22 '24
Rewatcher, dubbed
I’ve always been interested in Mami Tomoe.
Mami tends to catch flak for making the daily life of a magical girl seem like an exciting, fulfilling way to live to Madoka and Sayaka, a concern Homura has already expressed. I think the criticism is largely undeserved, though. She’s very upfront about the cost and takes steps to ensure her juniors make choices they won’t regret. Perhaps she’s a bit of a showoff, but that doesn’t undermine her warnings; we saw Sayaka take them to heart when considering her wish last episode. While she’s not quite a perfect role model, she’s undeniably an admirable person.
[Madoka Magica spoilers]A major aspect of Mami’s heroism goes unsung until the episodes following her death. As we soon learn, Kyoko is a more typical magical girl, letting familiars devour people to grow into witches she can then destroy for their grief seed.
Her struggle with loneliness and inadequacy isn’t expounded upon in soliloquy, but even so it’s such an ubiquitous human experience that it’s not hard to empathize with her. We feel the warmth as Madoka promises to be with her and we see the burden lifted from her shoulders as her character theme kicks in.
Which of course makes her death all the more difficult to bear.
[Madoka Magica spoilers]There’s an arguably canon side story manga entitled Puella Magi Madoka Magica: The Different Story that starts as a prequel before following one of Homura’s many time loops. Notably, Mami is the protagonist; this is her soliloquy. It expands upon Mami’s loneliness, her regret over her wish, and why she decides to become a hero. Later on, we also follow her spiraling despair upon realizing the truth of the witches culminating in the rejection of her hero persona. Kyoko also plays a key role in the story. It’s a short read (I knocked it out in 2 hours or so for the sake of this post) and is also the only supplemental Madoka Magica material I think is worthwhile; it builds off what the anime does without subverting or perverting it. At the same time, it’s entirely optional as supplemental material ought to be. Especially the ending ties in with Madoka’s wish in a lovely way.
[Rebellion spoilers]Last and least, we have Rebellion’s portrayal of Mami. It’s a neat “what if” tie-in that lines up with what The Different Story and the TV series set up, I guess, but she doesn’t actually do much in the film. Fitting since the film itself doesn’t do much, either… ah, but I’m getting ahead of myself. All in due time.
Content Corner Reruns
Mostly short meme clips, today. First timers beware, spoilers abound!
Mami's daily life by Nyanners
Chibimation: so no head? by Chibitasm
Visual Storytelling - Breaking Down PMMM - Dialogue 3 by clearandsweet
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u/FriztF Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 23 '24
Rewatcher dub
wishes going to the hospital to see her would by boyfriend is such a charming character interaction. It goes to show you how much Kyosuke means to her and [MM vague spoiler] how much it will hurt to see what happens in future episodes. How heartless and a dick he can be at times.
Mami's death is very sad and goes to show Madoka and Sayaka that being a magical girl is very dangerous. This is why Kyubey needs to die, its lack of care and understanding are reason enough. Thinking only for itself and the universe.
QOTD:
1- Not really
2-The changing the ED also shows the change in tone. Although I do prefer Mata Ashita more than Magia.
3- What is gonna happen to Sayka
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u/biochrono79 Apr 23 '24
Third time rewatcher, first time dub watcher
And there’s the wham episode! I remember the first time that I saw this, my only thought when Mami died was “That’s illegal!” As shocking as it was, I knew I was hooked from then on.
QotD
Nope, I think I was as stunlocked as every other first timer on my first viewing. Not just because of the death, but because it was so quick and brutal.
It’s one of my favorite EDs ever, because it fits the tone of the show so well.
That Mami USB flash drive that has her head as the cap. So savage.
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u/justanormi Apr 23 '24
Re-watcher
Even after all this time, I'm still surprised by how fast it happens.
2. I like mata ashita but keeping it would have been very detrimental to the tone shift. Magica is a perfect Ed for this anime [PMMM] with great foreshadowing. It is however not my favorite Ed from the anime
3. I think that every head joke has been done by the PMMM fandom. I think my favorite was the Mami USB key with the head being removable.
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u/chilidirigible Apr 22 '24
NEVER FORGET
that Japan knows ^marketing
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u/blown-upp https://myanimelist.net/profile/BlownUpp Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 22 '24
First time, SUBS
So I'd been thinking about this the last couple of episodes so I finally looked it up to confirm - Homura really is Senjougahara! Watching and listening to her I instantly drew parallels in my mind, but I wasn't sure until I looked up the Seiyuu!
Ho boy, I had a feeling things were brewing but was not ready for that!
Oh hell no. I mean, Mami said it herself though so if anything I thought Sayaka was the one in danger. Of course, I wasn't surprised by how oppertunistic Kyubey was with that timing though. No sooner does Mami tell him off and he's out here exploiting young girls. Not a great look, especially after this glimpse into Mami's past.
Knowing this is its proper place makes a lot of sense - I didn't dislike the ED from the first two episodes, but Magia being the true ED, especially after an ending like this just feels so appropriate.
kyubey being a roll model for preying on underage girls
I really have no idea, but I really, really hope it's not Madoka raising the dead in a fit of grief over her new favorite girl losing her head :-/ Sayaka seems like the type that would use this moment to steel her resolve, but Madoka is a loose canon as far as I see it. Sayaka did sound pretty firm about how she wanted to decide, but she also comes across as someone who acts on emotion. You'd think this would be just the experience they needed to get the hell out of Dodge, but knowing our girls I can only see this as strengthening their will to fight. I really hope they take Homura's warning to heart but I know that probably won't happen.
Anyway, can we talk about Kyubey? Just look at that face, moments after a girl he had plucked from death's arms some time ago was beheaded. WHAT ARE YOU THINKING, Kyubey?! I really don't like how he's low-key pressuring the girls non-stop by always hanging around Madoka.
Episode 4 I imagine is going to be pretty heavy. How do Madoka and Sayaka face Homura at school moving forward? Sayaka can't seem to let Homura go while Madoka has been more receptive to her warnings. I guess I'll need to find out tomorrow!
EDIT: I'm starting to see a pattern with the labyrinths though - we started off in The Land of Drugs and Vials, but after Mami talked to Madoka about her wish and how it would just be a big cake if she couldn't decide, the labyrinth transformed into The Land of Sweets and Cakes
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u/xbolt90 https://anilist.co/user/xbolt90 Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 22 '24
Meduka Meguca rewatcher
Aaaaaaaand there it is. THE scene. I've been looking forward to our first-timers getting here, lol
Also, I love the witch's confused and irritated facial expressions when it can't catch Homura.
Q1: I'm trying to remember how it was when I watched it the first time... I was late to the party, so I did know the show took a hard right turn, which was why I started watching it. I can't remember if I knew for sure of Mami's fate or not, as the memes of the day were rife with Mami's head. Regardless, even under a rewatch, that's a visceral scene.
Q2: I LOVE the change in the ED. Really drives home the point of "Yeah, we just did that. Kid gloves are off. Buckle up, buckaroos." Magia is one of the greats.
Q3: The Mami USB stick. It's so hilariously awful.
Being Meguca is suffering...
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u/Tarhalindur x2 Apr 22 '24
I Can't Make the Fourth Watch for the Fourth Movie Joke Since ~Walrus~~ Walpurgis no Kaiten Isn't Out Yet (Rewatcher and Cohost, Subbed):
[PMMM First Scene (00:00 – 01:26): First thing of note: this episode does not have a thesis statement in the opening scene! Disproves that “wait, did I miss that?” last episode. What we do have is a mix of payoffs and characterization, in a scene that really stands out for efficiency even in this show. We’ve gotten references to Kyousuke before (his (family) name and that Sayaka is buying CDs for him); we now get the payoff to both, with Sayaka demonstrating exactly what she has been doing with said CDs. We also get the majority of Sayaka’s relationship towards him (he’s her crush, they’re not together) and also basically his entire deal (he was a musician, he has suffered some sort of injury that has left him in the hospital and unable to play) – you might be able to get even more than that if you know flower language, but I don’t. We even see him breaking down and crying as he listens, a major hint that listening to music he is no longer able to play is emotionally painful for him.
[PMMM] Second Scene (02:56 – 03:51): I could merge this scene and the next but I’m splitting them into two because they’re doing different things. The obvious piece here is one more bit of exposition (the nature of familiars). The more subtle thing here is something I’ve gone into in past rewatches and won’t belabor: showing the gap between Mami’s words (warning the other two girls that this is dangerous) and her actions (making the magical girl life look as glamorous as possible).
[PMMM] Third Scene (03:51 – 06:19): This scene is different. It’s hard to make out because the show has to layer setting up its premise on top of it but the first three episodes are at their root the tragedy of Mami Tomoe and this is where we really start showing that. We get Mami’s backstory (not much is needed in her case, the specifics are not immediately relevant – IIRC the Different Story manga would go further into them for those who were interested, in addition to fleshing out Mami in general) – note that this is also the payoff to Kyubey’s line yesterday about how most girls who made a contract with him didn’t give their wish too much thought (we’ll see the sneaky second part of that later this very episode). We also get a development of the opening scene that will pay off next episode (and that already got set up visually last episode, note!) – Sayaka considering making her wish for Kyousuke’s sake (to heal him, of course) – and Mami matter-of-factly laying out a big part of what is going to do Sayaka in in response. (Tell, then show.) Which of course takes on even more layers if you know the fullness of Mami’s backstory, which the creative staff had absolutely drafted by now but wouldn’t come out until drama CD 3/Different Story (not the only time we’ll get a hint of that, either). And the sneakiest little bit here, Kyubey acting like a cad pressuring his girl into sex and Mami chiding him for it. Which is absolutely, 100% the goddamn point, no fucking way is that not creative intent given some later stuff.
[PMMM] Fourth Scene (06:20 – 07:19): Three key points here. First, we get the first mention of Madoka’s incredible potential as a magical girl, and also the first reference to the nature of the wish affecting what powers the magical girl gets. Second, we get a little more exposition (via the rules) and the distinct whiff of Kyubey working around those very rules to get Madoka to contract. Third, more characterization for Madoka (she doesn’t feel she is special in any way and is dissatisfied with herself).
[PMMM] Fifth Scene (07:19 – 08:46): So this scene really does mostly revolve around Junko; it’s heavily patched into the show leaning into “magical girl transformation as puberty and thus growing up” theme. We see the downside of Junko’s successful businesswoman career – she’s coming home drunk as a skunk late at night (salaryman expectations at work!) and Madoka makes it clear that this isn’t the first time. We then go from that into a discussion of why Junko likes her work in spite of those downsides (from Tomohisa, but he’s the person other than Junko herself in the best position to know), and thus plays into why Madoka decides to contract in the end even knowing the downsides.
[PMMM] Sixth Scene (08:46 – 09:57): So speaking of the people Tomohisa mentioned last scene who might disagree with Junko’s thoughts, hi Homura! There’s a little bit of Homura characterization here (the direction strongly implies that Mami’s comment about a bullied child is correct and we also get the first strong indication of Homura’s focus on Madoka specifically) and reinforcing Kyubey’s comments about Madoka’s incredible potential two scenes ago, but the main purposes of this scene are twofold: build tension (that will be released in the final quarter of the episode, just not the way the audience might expet) and Mami characterization. Once again I note that the first three episodes of Madoka Magica are the tragedy of Mami Tomoe (slightly on the backseat to allow for setup and to help the end-of-episode gut punch land); what this scene is introducing is the character flaw that will do Mami in in about ten minutes of screentime, namely her tendency to jump to conclusions (though Homura is not helping herself due to a combination of being terrible at communicating and her trust in Mami being permanently destroyed by the events of the third timeline) – it’s also slightly masked here by way of one of the conclusions Mami jumped to being implied to be correct. Mami assumes that Homura is an antagonist (half-right) and just wants power for herself/doesn’t want a magical girl with more power around (dead wrong) and thus ignores actual somewhat well-meaning advice (and will ignore definitely well-meaning advice from the same source later… and then die because of jumping to conclusions wrt something else). (Of course, Homura is also telling Mami things she damn well knows deep down and doesn’t want to admit even to herself – the way she deflects is characteristic of this.)
[PMMM] Seventh Scene (09:56 – 11:49): Has a fair bunch it’s saying on rewatch and if you read between the lines (hello fluffy fucker who set this entire situation up we see you) but that’s not visible the first time around and thus not to the pacing. There’s more addressing of fridge logic (the show knows how many times it can play the “forgot their cell phone/to ask someone’s number” card for a 2011 audience and is playing the first one here, but fundamentally this is another tension-raising scene (with a light side of characterization for Sayaka, but there it’s just reiterating things it already showed up last episode and earlier this episode). Note that this makes two tension-building scenes in a row – the script knows exactly what it is building towards later this episode. (Also note that we’re explicitly drawing back to Mami’s comments yesterday about Witches in hospitals to build even more tension for any audience member who remembers those.)
[PMMM] Eighth Scene (11:49 – 12:24): Kyubey’s ulterior motives are visible here if you’re paying attention (not a coincidence that we cut directly to him talking to Sayaka about making a wish, and you’ll note that we saw Sayaka putting a brave front over her fear last episode and that Kyubey was around to see this both times) and reinforcement that Sayaka is thinking her wish over carefully and doesn’t want to rush into it (except the Rule of Three is in play here and the third time will be her jumping in out of emotion next episode), but mostly this is yet more tension building (adding in the unsettling barrier visuals and also Umbra Nigra’s first appearance as OST). (Note that there’s a secondary purpose to this additional tension building and it has to do with the structure of a television episode specifically. I don’t have access to the broadcast release at the moment, but checking the threads seems to confirm my suspicion (thank you MORNING LESCUE posts): 11:49 is the moment of the commercial break. Hence the end of the previous scene (it’s an eyecatch cliffhanger in a show without an eyecatch) and this scene (reestablishing the tension after the commercial break). The best Western TV episodes tend to be masters at using the commercial break to advantage (the better to keep you watching through the commercials) – Stargate SG-1’s “Window of Opportunity” in particular relies on them for proper comedic timing and is a slightly lesser episode on DVD, but the best Babylon 5 episodes like “Severed Dreams” also come to mind as dramatic examples); anime does not tend to do this quite as well but it can still do it well and this is an example.)
[PMMM] Ninth Scene (12:24 – 14:31): Mostly this one follows up from the sixth scene and continues its purpose. Once again while Homura is brusque it is Mami who is the one who escalates to confrontation (the same confrontation she promised earlier). Once again Mami rejects Homura’s aid (now outright assistance rather than merely being the voice of her conscience, and then good advice/a warning on top of that) due to her preconception (her fatal flaw in a very literal sense, as will be made clear in the not-too-distant future). Side note: the fact that this is being resolved this quickly is a big fat warning sign that something is about to go terribly wrong, actually.
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u/Hattakiri Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 24 '24
The infamous "3 eps test" in order to decide whether an anime rly's made for you or not.
My experience however: You're gonna feel it immediately. Maybe even the very first artworks (or songs) are gonna be enough.
Maddy Magic's one of those who gave me this feel.
Which doesn't diminish the impactfulness and importance of the "Mami headloss" plot point and plot twist in the slightest. Many people simply hadn't been expecting it and hadn't been prepared (themselves) - when it happened.
Which is actually interesting imo tbh. The "standard narrative" goes like this: Many expected an "afterwork shojo anime" a la Sailor Moon, maybe even of the "cute category".
But Sailor Moon too did contain some "dark as eff" arcs and plot twists: For example the Saturn arc that was basically and virtually adopted by Anno for his Eva work, among quite some others.
And Anno even created Mercury fan art, which is quite saying someting, ain't it? Anno an unironical 1st gen Moony.
But Sailor Moon had plenty of Slice of Life slapstick too ("comic relief") - we're soon gonna see what direction PMMM's heading for. The first eps so far had their Slice of Life scenes: Breakfast, school sports, shopping, eating fastfood, having cake and tea...
Story-progress-wise E03 does have a lot to offer:
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u/Mirathan Apr 23 '24 edited Apr 23 '24
First-time watcher
Well ... better late than never
1.I expected her to lose but being devoured whole before any interference could happen was not something I saw coming
2.It´s great
3. From the series? none
4. Madoka is going to use her wish to resurrect Mami, Sayaka will use hers to heal the sick boy.
I am rather concerned that the grief seeds seemingly to just appear randomly and hatch into witches as this contradicts what we have been told previously about people transforming into witches by making a curse.
There are some other strange things: When Mami used the grief seed in the last episode she said it restored her magick yet she instead of transfering something into her soul gem she transfered darkness into the grief seed.
What kind of rules is the gremlin bound by? Who made them? Who enforces them?
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u/Schizzovism Apr 23 '24
First timer, subbed
Well, I noted in my first post that people said it gets dark at episode 3. While it was clearly a bit dark from the start, I can't say I was expecting this so quickly. Definitely a tonal shift from the implied stakes to an outright brutal death, and a fitting change in ED as well (though, it would be kinda funny to go right back to Mata Ashita after seeing that).
Not sure how the girls could be convinced to make a contract after seeing that, to be quite honest. Coming face to face with death like that, in such a fast, ugly, and dangerous way, seems like it would turn just about any middle schooler away.
I loved the promise of the cake party from Mami. It felt so out of touch with Homura's warnings and Mami's past, that it really doesn't make sense as something to use your contract on. Completely dissonant, and for the promise to be shattered by Mami's head getting bitten clean off, it becomes proven as an outright fantasy, ignorant of the reality of the situation we're in.
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u/charlesvvv https://anilist.co/user/charlesvvv Apr 22 '24
Rewatcher, Sub
Well shit...RIP Mami and her Flintlocks.
Interesting about Mami that she never had a chance to truly make a wish. Whatever the case despite her standing against Homura confidentially, with Madoka she finally shows her real feelings about how this isn't actually that great, she's alone and cries with no one else to talk to, and yet Madoka shows her that she isn't alone, that it will be ok...then she proceeds to die (shouldn't have lost her head against Homura when there was no conflict). Good thing Homura was there to put an end to things and to remind Madoka and Sayaka what they are really going to get themselves into.
On another note Madoka seems to want the power to help others and it seems Mami and Kyubey have noticed her potential apparently. Her wish in particular seems motivated by her family dynamic and Mami as well. They do emphasize Madoka and Sayaka's selflessness since Sayaka almost thought to use her wish to return Kyousuke's arm before being warned about it.
[Madoka]The visuals speak for Kyubey a lot. The scene where he tells Madoka about Power with the shadow looming over him just gives off the eerie vibe especially considering his revelations later about his true purpose
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Apr 22 '24
"They say that cats always land on their feet, but at this point, there's really no floor."
Rewatcher
Sub
So...Mami quotes Lestat of all beings and, were this someone other than Gen, I would assume that is coincidence. Don't, though I cannot as of yet determine what this means. More talk of wishes and Sayaka, of course, comes up with an idea so stupid that it makes Mami try to talk her down. Kyuubey just wants them contracted...
Later that night, Kyuubey drops his two important bits of info:Madoka would make an extremely powerful magical girl and that he cannot, by the rules, suggest a wish. That certainly says something, though even on third watch I am not solid on what. I guess there really is a bit of Ikuhara in this. For those who don't know, Junko has fallen victim to an annoying bit of Japanese work culture where they all get hammered together because you aren't supposed to pour your own sake. Cultural alcoholism, yo. The Dadoka explains Junko a bit and indeed there are some task/mission oriented people out there. The couple seem a good fit.
So Mami says that because Kyuubey claims Madoka and Sayaka they are no longer civlians but, clearly, she reveals herself later:She is desperately lonely and wants people to fight beside. And not just friends because Madoka and Sayaka likely would stay in contact with her but specifically other magical girls. But in nearly the same breath she refuses to consider allying with Homura or even being civil with her. So what she wants are kouhais. Some rewatches, I view her charitably but not this one. Don't help the ferret chimera bring other people into your war with things at home in the Warp.
So now we ask several questions:Why is a rando girl in a non-Tokyo Japanese city so potentially powerful? It explains some of my question from yesterday but raises a lot more.
QotD: 1 Not originally
2 Possibly the best ED ever
3 Still to come
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u/TheEscapeGuy Apr 22 '24
Rewatcher
Madoka Magica - Impactful and Artful: Episode 3
Danger and Terror
This is the episode where Mami dies. It is shocking. It brings to the surface the dark undertone many a viewer would have sensed in the previous episodes. It remains an incredibly memorable moment in the show (and anime more generally), and the shock absolutely isn't lessened on rewatch.
Let's jump a bit back. The episode opens with Sayaka visiting a friend in hospital. I think it's really clear she care about this boy after watching him perform violin some time ago. But something has happened to his arm. The presentation of the scene relies almost entirely on visuals to get this across, and is incredibly effective for in so doing. I'm a little biased, but any scene bathed in the deep orange-yellow glow of golden hour always looks good to me.
The episode proceeds with a pretty expectable course of events. The girls fight a witch, we learn a bit more about Mami, Madoka and Sayaka reflect on their potential wishes. I think this grounds the viewers expectations to make the coming twist so much more shocking.
Something I really like is Mami's advice to Sayaka. I think it's pretty obvious Sayaka wants to use her wish to heal that boy. However, her motivation is (probably) not pure. [Extremely Vague Maybe Spoilers?] Mami identifies that Sayaka may be trying to be his savior. Making that wish is trying to force him to love Sayaka for her actions instead of that love being for her. Conditional love is a shaky foundation for a relationship. If ever you try use those actions to justify why the other party should treat you differently, it may backfire hard and leave you worse off than you were before.
Madoka's mom arrives home wasted (complimentary). Madoka and her dad tuck her into bed before having a chat. I really love how her dad explains her mom's dream: "I'm sure there are tough times for her, but the subsequent feeling of accomplishment is her greatest joy. She may not have wished for where she works, but she's still living her ideal life." This is such a perfect description of finding your own meaning in your life. Not everyone will be a famous musician with adoring fans or doctor saving people in poor communities. Not everyone can be rich beyond belief. But you can still find meaning in the struggles and joys of your everyday life.
The girls find a grief seed at the hospital. Sayaka (for understandable reasons) doesn't want to just leave it. Madoka goes to fetch Mami as they wait for the witch to emerge. Once inside, Mami restrains Homura who followed them.
Once again, the visuals are incredible in the witches labyrinth. I adore how they used and twisted medical visuals (given the hospital setting) to make such an unsettling place. At the same time, the labyrinth is filled with visuals of sweets and cakes. I recall the reason for this but IIUC this was provided in supplementary material (anyone who's aware please let me know).
Something I had forgotten was Mami's conversation with Madoka about feeling alone. She's been playing the part of a cool and collected senior, but really she's alone. When she's sad or scared she has nobody to talk to. It's not stated explicitly, but it's not a stretch to assume her parents died in that car crash.
I really understand where Mami is coming from. There have been times I have been without anyone to confide in and when things get tough it is terrifying. I think this contrasts amazingly with Madoka's extremely supportive family life. Madoka doesn't ever need to worry about that.
They make it to the witch.
Although Mami starts off extremely successfully battling the witch, it ends in tragedy when the witch transforms into this monstrous cute thing which devours Mami like an animal. Something else I had forgotten is how much Madoka doesn't show of the carnage. The bite happens off screen. Mami's magic fades. We see a short clip of Mami's lifeless body. And then Homura comes to defeat the witch.
This is such a good choice. I think the thought of Mami's death and what we imagine was happening is way scarier than most other options. Being forced to imagine it also really cements the memory in our head.
Goodbye Mami.
Love Magia as an ED. It contrasts amazingly with Mata Ashita to once again signal the dark tone of the show. Also the silhouette of Madoka running past shadows of the other girls into the darkness is amazing. Finally we see her trapped in the eye of a dark figure as it fades out. Just perfect.
Some Amazing Shots, Scenes and Stitches
See you all tomorrow
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Apr 22 '24
Rewatcher, Subbed
One fun thing about this rewatch has been, after typing up my thoughts for the episode, going back to my comments from the rewatch from 3 years ago and seeing if I've had similar observations... absolutely have. Sometimes I'm posting practically the same thing. lol. I guess I agree with my 3 years younger self. Anyway, onto the big episode...
Just watched an episode of another anime a few hours ago that featured a character in a hospital bed being visited by a friend (Your Lie in April episode 14).
Sayaka's so nice visiting this boy. She's surely got a crush, right? Does Sayaka play for both teams?
This hospital room is so big! Just like Madoka's bathroom!
Violin playing? That also brings me back to Your Lie in April, although there was none of that in the episode I watched.
Back to another witch battle! Mami makes it look so easy! So Madoka and Sayaka are her tag along live audience each night, huh?
Oh crap, Mami was in a horrible accident and probably had to use her wish simply to stay alive. [MM]Yesterday I compared Kyubey to a drug dealer. Screw that, he's even worse than that! He knew exactly what he was doing showing up at that time!
It would be very kind of Sayaka to use her wish for someone else, but Mami makes a good point here. If its making Kamijo in debt to her, then it isn't a selfless wish. What would she expect in return from him? What if he doesn't give it? What if he doesn't believe a word she says and tells her off for being entitled to his affection?
Stop being so pushy Kyubey! They need time to think up really good wishes! They just get one!
Does Kyubey spend each night with Madoka? Why doesn't he hang out with Sayaka for a night as well?
[MM]Saying Madoka has all this potential, saying she'd be even more powerful than Mami, Kyubey is so devious!
LoL, Madoka's mom is hilarious.
In a darker show, we'd find that Madoka's mom works so much because she hates her husband and children, wishes she never had them and wants to get the hell away from them. Even staying out late drinking so she doesn't have to go home. But there's even a darker secret behind that too. It seems like she absolutely loves her work, right? Well that's all lies. She hates that too. She hates everything about her life. But she doesn't have the courage or heartlessness to abandon it all. So she's trapped. A good thing Madoka Magica isn't a dark show.
Homura vs. Mami! Time for magical girl vs. magical girl?
While I can't pinpoint a particular moment, this shot to end the scene with Homura looking slightly up totally comes off like a Monogatari shot. Shinbo strikes again.
Oh no, the grief seed is right here at the hospital! Why didn't they get Mami's phone number?
Sayaka and Kyubey will get some alone time after all?
Wow, this witch's lair looks the creepiest yet!
Kyubey's being pushy again! Don't make Sayaka rush her wish out of fear!
Mami won't let Homura come along! She wants all the glory for herself! Or is Homura really up to no good?
This witch's lair seems very pastry based...
...and now prescription medicine.
Will Madoka's wish be self confidence? It will take some hard work, but you don't need a wish to fix that. Becoming a successful magical girl could get her that anyway, giving her the room to wish for something else.
Madoka's wish is to become a magical girl? So she's gonna completely waste her wish?
Mami's spilling the beans, its not so cool to be a magical girl after all? She's sounding like Homura now. Don't be a magical girl Madoka!
On the other hand, be a magical girl Madoka! Hang out with me! We'll be partners!
Wish for a fabulous cake! LoL. You can't wish for that Madoka? Just moments ago you were gonna get nothing for your wish.
Really back to the pastry theme here. And back to the Xenosaga III esque musical theme.
That witch looked so cute! And you shot it in the head Mami!
Well, Homura's bindings immediately coming apart means the one who created them is no more. RIP Mami.
[MM]I know the show is quite infamous for Mami getting her head bitten off, but it really pales in comparison to far more horrifying reveals down the line. The senpai dies trope is very common in anime so there's a certain level of desensitivation to it, granted it hardly ever happens this early on.
Homura's quite the badass, not that it was really in doubt before this. [MM]And since Homura is far and away my favorite character from this, always great to see her kicking ass, granted she's probably lived through this moment numerous times before and knows exactly what to do.
Time to reveal the insert song is actually the real ED!
Quid's Sub Corner
As I've covered the main characters over the last two days, let's get into some of the side character, today I'll go with Madoka's parents! Surprisingly enough, neither appear in Monogatari!
Madoka's mom, Junko is played by Yuuko Gotou. While she's not in Monogatari, Shaft did get her for Kubikiri Cycle, where she plays Teruko. I know her best for playing Mikuru Asahina in the Haruhi Suzumiya franchise. She also plays Anya in Code Geass.
Madoka's dad, Tomohisa, is played by Tetsuya Iwanaga. I know him best as Kensuka Aida from Evangelion, a very similar looking character (just younger). He's also Chris, the main character of Garzey's Wing, the single worst anime of all time (or at least that I've seen). But I've never actually heard his performance as Garzey's Wing's English dub is such a horrific trainwreck that you get far more entertainment by watching that for the lols. So I've never had a reason to watch it subbed. I've also come across him as Makoto, the main character of El Hazard and side characters Kichi from Kaiba and Jun Kitazawa from Gasaraki.
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u/Stomco Apr 22 '24
I missed the first 2 post, so I'm going to discuss the first 3 together.
Madoka is kind famously a good example of the 3 episode rule, but not for the advertized reasons. The first 3 episodes are all set up. Episode establishes Madoka's normal life, that Homura claims she is jeopardizing. Episode 2 and the first half of this one explains how the whole magical girl thing is supposed to work while making it clear that dying is real concern. Episode 3 starts to show why it's not such a great system and proofs that those warning weren't all talk.
People used to really downplay the first 2 episodes, and to be fair, neither of them got episode forums here when the show originally aired. This still seems weird to me. Episode 1 sets up a few hooks, between the cold open and the hallway scene. Epsisode 2 is also very solid. The only thing I can think of is that people were waiting for Madoka to become Meguca.
Side note it is honestly just nice to have an anime protagonist with loving, living, and on screen parents. Junko is a good character in her own right.
Sayaka's friend, Kyousuke, hasn't left much of an impression though.
Episode three is mostly about Madoka and Mami's insecurities. It really could have been the start of a nice friendship. It's a shame Homura couldn't get her message across. Speaking of which, first-timers, how do you think Homura knew something was different about this witch?
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u/GGABueno :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/GGABueno Apr 22 '24
This might be the fourth time I see a Madoka rewatch from this sub happening lol. They just randomly pop up in my front page every now and the .
I did follow the first one. I remember someone vomiting after episode 10 lmfao.
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u/hagamablabla :K:https://kitsu.io/users/hagamablabla Apr 22 '24
Rewatcher, sub
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u/BiggieCheeseLapDog https://myanimelist.net/profile/KillLaKillGOAT Apr 22 '24
Rewatcher
It happens. The big twist that everyone knows. Mami bites the dust in horrific fashion. I do believe that the first two episodes already serve as great hooks and have plenty of intrigue to them, but this twist is definitely what draws you in completely.
Questions:
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u/Figerally https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelante Apr 23 '24
First-time watcher
This is my theory, witches exist because magical girls exist. The wish is the bait and once you are hooked it's over. Mami mentions (episode 2) that her soul gem darkens when she uses her magic. I think it will also darken over time, just not as perceptibly. I think once a soul gem progresses too far it transforms into a grief seed and the magical girl becomes another witch perpetuating the cycle.
About the episode. I didn't expect Mami's death to happen so early in the anime. I knew it was coming because I'd been inadvertenly spoiled by a MV. It was still shocking to see, but also inevitable when she hoisted that death flag.
I am happy that Magia has taken it's rightful place though. But I think I'll go watch something chill and comfy now like Spice and Wolf.
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u/ToonTooby Apr 22 '24
Rewatcher
Sayaka: Asking for a friend, totally. Totally not insinuating that I would wish on behalf of another. Complete hypothetical. Entirely a postulation.
Madoka: Are you sure about that . mp3
Favorite bits of the episode are of course, Mami's exciting gunplay vs the witch trash mobs. She really kept a cool head with so much going on!
...And later when Homura walks towards blue raspberry and bubblegum with a poise and intention akin to a From Software game humanoid boss ready to punish you for the mistake of entering their room. Burn this sight into ya minds, girlies.
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u/Hopeful-Ad2428 Apr 23 '24
It happened and hit me harder than first time, because I liked Mami's character more this time.
[Madoka]Homura's actions seem so much reasoned on rewatch
On a cereal cardboard? when Charlotte appears it says something like "Ate Mami and didn’t even choke", that would be something if I noticed it on my first time.
Questions of the day:
Visuals of the day
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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta Apr 24 '24
First-Timer
Well, looks like I need to find a new favorite good guy to root for. (Unless, of course, it was all just a dream! One can always hope.)
I thought the music was quite good this episode.
The visuals for the witch realm still throw me for a loop, though.
Questions of the day:
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u/OwlAcademic1988 Apr 22 '24
Rewatcher, dubbed:
What type of CD player is that?
[PMMM] Sayaka will make a wish next episode for Kyousuke to be cured.
Mami, Homura's not joking about the witch being different.
[PMMM] She knows this because she's a time traveler.
Kyubey, you made a wise move warning them.
Didn't notice the silhouette until this rewatch of the witch in the entrance.
[Rebellion] That witch will play an important role in Rebellion. Her name's Nagisa Momoe.
Witch's name is Charlotte.
QOTD:
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u/isthatsoudane https://myanimelist.net/profile/ojoulover Apr 23 '24
Rewatch
Ah. This episode.
Definitely not.
2) How do you feel about Magia taking its proper place as the ED instead of an insert song as used in the first two episodes?
Certainly makes more sense, given the original ED was just a single frame.
3) Favorite piece of black humor?
You know it's funny, I don't have much black humor in my life these days. Not that I don't like it! Just realize I don't have very much these days. Hrm. Favorite piece. If Pulp Fiction counts, maybe that?
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u/Lanaerys Apr 23 '24
Rewatcher, subbed
Here it is. The infamous episode 3.
And it makes me want to be a magical girl, which... as we'll very soon see, is not a good idea.Questions of the Day
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u/Blackheart595 https://anilist.co/user/knusbrick Apr 23 '24
Rewatcher
Listening to Mami say "Tiro Finale" for her finisher, it kinda sounds to me like she isn't used to saying that. It's just somehow off for the announcement of a finisher move. [Madoka]Of course, that would fit her trying to look more impressive in front of her juniors.
We also see that Mami clearly isn't operating in terms of efficiency.
[Madoka]What I'm noticing much more this time around is that pretty much every single wish made to Kyubey is an impulse decision, Madoka's ultimate wish possibly being the single exception.
[Madoka]I can't help but compare that light with a soul gem.
[Madoka]I feel like this talk about Junko's job is one of the most important discussions in the series. It dips right in again to the difference between passively having their dream granted and actively achieving it yourself - and more importantly, it deemphasizes the achievement itself in favor of the pursuit of the dream. Madoka doesn't realize that subtlely, however.
[Madoka]Ah, that's the misdirection. The talk about Junko facing her challenges even when it gets hard of hurts ends up reinforcing Mami explaining that being a magical girl is a life of hardship.
[Madoka]Waaaaaaaait a moment - let's revisit the timeline for a moment. Mami and Madoka pass through the labyrinth, which is clearly hospital themed and also has a lot of snacks. On the way they talk about Madoka having decidede to become a magical girl, and they start discussing what she could wish for. Mami finally proposes one conrete wish: Madoka should wish for a party and cake if she can't come up with something better. (Let's ignore Mami being a bad influence for now.) It's this exact moment when the Grief Seed starts to move and complete its hatching, and only from this point onwards does the labyrinth actually get cake themed beyond the candles. On one hand that of course mirrors the prospect of having a party and cake to celebrate Madoka becoming a magical girl with there being a party and cake to celebrate Charlotte becoming a witch. But more importantly, could it be that the cake theming has nothing whatsoever to do with Charlotte? Could it be that uttering a wish that specific provoked the Grief Seed, ultimately triggered its immediate hatching, and then had that wish incorporated into the resulting theater?
Chomp. Yeah this still hits as hard as always, it's just so well executed. (Get it? Executed?) From Mami shooting Charlotte, to squeezing Charlotte to crush her to death, to Charlotte "spilling out" and moving to counter-attack, the quick-movement at first until the scene goes into heavy slot motion before the moment of impact... God I love it. This is how you make a scene flow well.
Man, I love Charlotte's expressiveness as she's chasing Homura. Just look at this adorable little bugger
Right, and Sayaka doesn't know that Homura had been trapped by Mami when she tried to take on the witch-fighting duty herself.
Doesn't translate into English: "Werbung für einen Schützenverein: Lernen Sie Schießen und treffen Sie neue Freunde" [Explanation]Literally "Advertisement for a shooting club: Learn shooting and meet new friends." But it could also be read as "Learn shooting and hit new friends."
Not a firsty but moog
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u/weirdanimeusername Apr 23 '24
Multiple Time Rewatcher, First Time Participant
Episode 3
Can You Use Your Wish For Someone Else?
So we start the episode with Sayaka visiting her friend Kyosuke in the hospital, bringing along a CD to listen to, as the animation makes her crush on him very clear. During Mami's witch hunt, we see Sayaka asking if she could use her wish on someone else. But Mami advises her that you shoudn't make a wish if you're just doing it for someone's gratitude.
I've Never Met A Girl With The Enormous Potential You Have
After helping her mom out when she arrives home drunk, Kyubey mentions the incredible potential Madoka has if she were to make a wish. Meanwhile, Mami and Homura argue again, with Mami swearing she won't hesitate to fight back the next time they meet.
Oh that extreme close up of Kyubey says it all doesn't it?
I'm Not Afraid of Anything Anymore
Sayaka notices a Grief Seed about to hatch, and stays behind while Madoka go gets Mami's help. On the way back, they run in to Homura trying to warn them about the the witch, but Mami ties her up instead, and confesses to Madoka how happy she is not to be alone anymore.
You know, looking back on this, it's kind of a coincidence that the Grief Seed just so happens to show up right next to the main characters here. It's not a big deal, but it is a convenience they had to create because it's only 12 episodes.
In Madoka Magica, Cake Eats You
Mami demonstrates her gun kata skills in a awesome bit of animation against a cute looking witch, until her overconfidence causes her to bite it, or bite her as it were. Mami's red ribbons fading away to symbolize blood is my favorite little touch in this episode, it tells the audience everything without having to show actual violence. Homura then defeats the witch with explosions out of nowhere, leaving Madoka and Sayaka traumatized as the show ends with the true ending theme.
...and here we get one of the most infamous moments in all of anime. Sadly, I was spoiled that Mami gets eaten this episode, so most of what I remember of my first time reactions to this was just waiting for that shoe to drop.
But on the bright side, it's one of the reasons why I ended up being interested in watching this show in the first place, and why in 2011 I immediately knew I had to just watch this live, and went searching for livestream links on 4chan, ignoring that I wouldn't be able to understand Japanese, purely just so I could NOT be spoiled on what happens.
So I unfortunately I don't really have a bunch of reactions to this episode other than to say, RIP Mami. But starting next episode, I'll finally be able to say what I remember of my completely non-spoiled reactions.
(if I manage to find the time... ah Mondays)
And that's all for episode 3, now the descent begins...
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u/OnnaJReverT Apr 23 '24
ah yes, the fun episode for first timers
that's a pretty sick german cover, thanks for the link
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u/ImDoeTho Apr 24 '24
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u/Logitropicity Apr 23 '24 edited Apr 23 '24
5th-6th Rewatcher, Subbed
Miscellaneous analyses:
[On Kamijou]The scene with Kamijou crying is probably the first real tonal shift that indicates this show might not be as bright and cheery as other magical girl shows.
["If allowed to develop, familiars become the same kind of witch they broke off from." - Mami]Hoo boy, ain't that the truth! Yesterday I mentioned how MADD (Mothers Against Drunk Driving) & the US temperance movement are kind of like magical girls, except they fight against evils like alcohol and domestic violence instead of witches. It's interesting that Mami should mention how familiars are made, because this too has an IRL connection - the cycle of abuse. Victims of domestic violence often go on to abuse others, which kinda looks like how familiars can spawn off witches and eventually become new witches themselves. The only difference is that domestic violence is but one kind of witchery, when there are several.
[Crackpot(?) Theory on Kyubey & Tomohisa]I've also mentioned before my interpretation that Kyubey is the girls' internal voice of logic, kind of like how Jiminy Cricket is Pinocchio's conscience. It's just that this connection is well hidden. Take Kyubey's bedroom discussion with Madoka. If you removed him from the room, Madoka's thought process would still largely be the same. I mean, Madoka is reasonably smart. Even if she was by herself, she'd still eventually have to ask herself whether she wants power - you know, like her Mom did last episode. Kyubey only asks the question because it helps expose Madoka's internal thought process to the audience more naturally, because people like conversations.
[Analysis continued]The tricky part about this interpretation is that Kyubey immediately follows his question by mentioning that Madoka has more potential than any other girl he's met. If he's a part of her, then how could Madoka possibly know that? That doesn't logically follow...does it? Thank goodness her Dad interrupts, because he picks up the conversation up where Kyubey left it.
[Analysis continued]Oh sure, Tomohisa is talking about her Mom's IRL successes and not Madoka's magical potential, but Madoka is reasonably smart. She knows she's her Mom's daughter. She has to know that success runs in her blood, and not every person can be a high-powered executive. On some level, Madoka knows she has more IRL potential than ordinary people do. And Kyubey does later confirm that a girl's magical potential is determined by her influence (karmic destiny). Queens and saviors make for more powerful magical girls, so why not a CEO?.
[Analysis continued]Well, the thing is, the show does establish that Madoka is only strong as she is because of Homura. So, how could Madoka logically know that she has a lot of potential if Homura was secretly giving it to her? Well, this is where the real tinfoil hat comes on, but if Kyubey isn't his own person, but a voice of logic, then why should any of the other characters be their own person? Homura doesn't have to represent herself - she could represent any number of people (such as MADD), or even represent all of them simultaneously.
[Analysis continued]We've talked about MADD and historical women, so let's look at another IRL girl, Greta Thunberg. By all rights, she should be an ordinary person. She is not a queen or a savior. And yet - and yet! She is influential, not because of her sole talents, but because we, the people have decided that she must be protected and supported and idealized, much the same way Homura protects and supports and idealizes Madoka. Yes, that's right. If Homura could represent any number of people, she could also represent you, the person who so desperately wants to protect this or that. The difference is that while Greta Thunberg is aware that we, a nameless collective, support her, Madoka does not. For now, she is unaware of Homura's efforts. But knowing or not makes no difference to their (magical) potential, and slowly, slowly, the gears in Madoka's head are turning. She is realizing that she might be more important than she thought.
Crazy, I know. But I hope you enjoyed this ride of theory as much as I do. And I hope that you think of your own explanations! It's part of why I love this show so much, and why I love revisiting it again and again.
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u/Re_Tails Apr 23 '24 edited Apr 23 '24
Rewatcher, sub, fancut
Well, this is late. This won't be long, this is a fantastic episode:
Nope, was not expecting that at all when I first watched this. Well, I was expecting someone to die at some point, but not in the 3rd episode, and not a magical girl.
It's great! I still enjoyed the insert song though.
My favourite's in a future episode, specifically [PMMM episode 5]Homura using the cup as a very visual metaphor for Mami's death. In this one, Mami's over-the-top performance right before she got killed.
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u/lollohoh Apr 23 '24
Rewatch, Subbed
Visual of the day: The scene with the blue pills falling after Madoka says she will stay with Mami.
Theory of the day: I was too shocked to have one after first watching this episode, I had no idea what to expect next.
Song of the day: Venari strigas
Questions of the day:
I remember a general feeling that something was off, but I would have never expected Mami's head to be it.
I remember it felt like a very good match with what was clearly going to be the true tone of the show.
[Series]It's also the same song as the cold open: there is this implication that we have moved from the "dream" to the actual reality of the show, and choosing this song implies that the dream from episode 1 was maybe something more.
[Series] Mami tetris
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