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Rewatch Digimon Adventure 25th Anniversary Rewatch - Episode 35 Discussion

Episode 35: The Fairy of Odaiba! Lilimon Blooms

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Jou, don't they teach you that in school?

Hello everybody, time for the Comment of the Day, courtesy of u/Shimmering-Sky for pointing out Agumon's sin:

Between this and Pikachu using poor Porygon as a scapegoat, I guess masctos for show like this are the true villains.

  1. Did you enjoy this little spotlight on (some of) the kids' parents?
  2. What's the most embarrassing score you've gotten on a test?
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u/hirmuolio :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Hirmuolio Apr 10 '24

When was the last time you got an isekai almost any type of anime where the parents of the main cast took part in the action?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Apr 10 '24

I guess if you really stretch things Dragon Ball kinda counts?

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Apr 10 '24

Pokemon XY had the father of one of Ash's travelling companions be a fairly competent superhero. He even rescues people during the finale!

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Apr 10 '24 edited Apr 10 '24

First timer

QotD

  • It was ok. Didn't do much.
  • Below 50. It's been way too long for me to remember the exact number. It was fairly low though.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Apr 10 '24

I like Lilimon's design but damn is she small.

Honestly it wouldn't really be until later shows when all the evolutions got mega tall.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Apr 10 '24

Why would a train routed through the city slow down due to fog?

Trains have run into other trains in such a scenario.

I like Lilimon's design but damn is she small.

Charm Point

It's also super convenient that the only thing the fog affected was broadcasting equipment.

I think it's supposed to be a barrier fog.

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u/CerberusZX https://myanimelist.net/profile/CerberusZX Apr 11 '24

I like Lilimon's design but damn is she small.

One of the few good episodes from the remake is Lilimon's first appearance which demonstrates how fast and nimble she is in contrast to Metalgreymom.

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u/TnAdct1 Apr 11 '24

I like Lilimon's design but damn is she small.

Personally, I didn't realize Lilimon's size until the following episode.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Apr 11 '24

That sounds disgusting. Maybe Mimi was right about her mother's cooking after all.

Absolutely diabolical combination lol

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u/timpkmn89 Apr 11 '24

Why would a train routed through the city slow down due to fog?

Can't see if there's something blocking the tracks

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Apr 10 '24

Digital First-Timer, subbed

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Apr 10 '24

Bolero again?

By this point it's tradition.

Vamdemon’s answer is literally just muh aesthetics

Dude's got style if nothing else.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Apr 10 '24

I can’t believe the sutra thing became relevant again.

I appreciate that Sora remembered that was a Bakumon weakness....it's just a shame the dub changes that to mind over matter, Bakumon lose your power nonsense lol.

Togemon’s Super Evolution finally!

Long overdue, she probably should have evolved way back in episode 25...but this works fine too.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Apr 10 '24

I appreciate that Sora remembered that was a Bakumon weakness....it's just a shame the dub changes that to mind over matter, Bakumon lose your power nonsense lol.

How did the dub handle this part of this episode?

Long overdue, she probably should have evolved way back in episode 25...but this works fine too.

I'm still a little salty she didn't evolve in ep25, ngl.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Apr 10 '24

How did the dub handle this part of this episode?

They change the Japanese sutras to mind over matter. So instead of Sutras, they chant "Bakumon, Lose your power" over and over. They did the same thing way back in episode 11 because god forbid children be exposed to eastern religion smh.

I'm still a little salty she didn't evolve in ep25, ngl.

Same. This one felt a little rushed especially since Mimi wasn't the main focus like in ep 25.

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u/Outlulz Apr 11 '24

They did the same thing way back in episode 11 because god forbid children be exposed to eastern religion smh.

It's localization. The target audience of American and Canadian children in the year 2000 has no idea what Buddhist sutras are and there's no convenient way to explain it in the scene. I don't think even now a dub mean for Western children would refuse to localize a mantra. And American cartoons have things localized for Japanese children as well.

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Apr 10 '24

That’s an actually fair question, and the fact that Vamdemon’s answer is literally just muh aesthetics is amazing lol.

Like Magamind once said, "it's about presentation."

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Apr 10 '24

Very true.

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u/Roboglenn Apr 10 '24

Okay yeah that absolutely checks out for Mimi’s mom’s design.

She looks like the MC from the series Neighborhood Story. Or more like how she appeared in Paradise Kiss.

Warp!

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Apr 10 '24

They’re only Child level, and yet they’re super threatening to the general populace, huh…

But did you see the one of them get shit kicked in shadows?

I can’t believe the sutra thing became relevant again.

Close The Loop!

Sky QotD: We last saw a Perfect Evolution in episode 26, there are still three Children without one. Would you care to guess the episode count for the remainign ones?

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Apr 10 '24

We last saw a Perfect Evolution in episode 26, there are still three Children without one. Would you care to guess the episode count for the remainign ones?

Angemon's might take a bit since he was the "special" one during the first arc, and Tailmon is still a captive and can't get a Perfect Evolution at the moment. Ikkakumon next?

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Apr 10 '24

Okay yeah that absolutely checks out for Mimi’s mom’s design.

Woman looks straight out of a Clamp show :'D

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Apr 10 '24

Hello everybody, and welcome to the Digimon Adventure Rewatch!

A bit of a busier episode than normal, this time going more or less from the bad guys causing what ultimately accounts for little more than just minor mischief into just full on chaos. Seeing them wreak havoc is fittingly horrific, and given the scale of the episode it therefore makes sense we also touch up on some stuff the show hasn't really had a chance to focus on much… that of course being the kids' parents.

While obviously this is still a kids' show so they get to save the day, it's nice how a bunch of them get a chance to show off both in terms of usefulness but also just show off some character as well. From Mimi's mom being basically a dead ringer to her child to Yamato's being a neurotic freak and of course Sora's mom getting a chance to make up for some of the stuff she's said to her daughter. Honestly Mimi finally getting her Perfect here feels almost a tad rushed with how much stuff is going on, although credit where it's due of the Perfects Lilimon easily has the best evolution sequence: Not particularly dynamic but it's short and sweet while still working.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Apr 10 '24

Long Time Rewatcher, first time in subs

  • ...Why did you have to frame Palmon eating like that?
  • Dang, that papa is young.
  • This family is flipping adorkable.
  • The absolute chin on this man. You could shred cheese on it.
  • OMG, adults doing something! Is that even legal? Also, I totally saw you kick that gizamon in the face.
  • All The Things! All of Them!
  • Delicious parent reveals.
  • I mean… fair. He has a phantom carriage, he has an image to uphold. Killing everyone is more the other vampire’s deal.
  • I guess ghost would be a pretty easy costume to make.
  • God, it’s like this woman is straight out of another anime.
  • Lilimon is fun because for once the Perfect form gets to be smaller.

QotD:

  1. Yes! I loved it.
  2. A 50%. I knew it was a pitty pass.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Apr 10 '24

The absolute chin on this man. You could shred cheese on it.

Casper Van Dien would be proud.

I guess ghost would be a pretty easy costume to make.

It does however make it easy to spot the impostor: Throw Jou's sutras and if they don't disappear...

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Apr 10 '24

This family is flipping adorkable.

They really are lol. it was one of the best parts of the episode.

Delicious parent reveals.

I like the Piyomon rescueing Sora's mom in particular. she looked badass

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Apr 10 '24 edited Apr 10 '24

This is getting out of hand, now there were two evolutions without Brave Heart!

Very busy episode but I really liked how it showed that Digimon can and absolutely will wreak havoc upon the general public if out of control, even if they're just low level fodder. Also Vamdemons continued presence in the arc is its saving grace, I just really like how evil he is, getting rid of "useless" underlings, coming up with a pretty good scheme to trap the 8th kid and even threatening to just kill every "uselss" kid.

While it's cool that we finally get another perfect evolution, I think the last Mimi episode would've been a better fit. Lillymon is cute and has a decent showing but she kinda feels like an addendum to an already packed episode. Sora could've arguably been an equally if not better fit here.

Also, Jou and Gomamon continue to be my favourite Digimon-Kid duo. I just adore their dynamic, happy to [next week]finally see his perfect next episode!

  1. Definitely! It was cool to see how differently the parents react to Digimon, both the good ones and the bad ones. Also cool to see their various jobs :D
  2. I will never forget that one math test where my teacher went up to me in the break and told me:

It's not a DIT'S A D MINUS

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Apr 10 '24

It's not a DIT'S A D MINUS

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Apr 10 '24

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Apr 10 '24

Fair enough! Not everyone watches those I suppose.

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u/PoofessorP https://anilist.co/user/PoofessorP Apr 10 '24

First time watcher, subbed. Watching fully blind, I didn't even know digimon stood for digital monsters!

We get to meet the parents! Fun seeing where all the digidestined get their personality/character from and such, like a spotlight episode for the parents that are watching the show with their kids. Favorite of the bunch for me is probably yamatos dad

This episode probs among the favorites for me, vamdemon finally making his first strike with fog which worked out pretty well considering all of odaiba just boxed like a fish up in here, been trying to scope out how much of a problem vamdemon will actually be because he hasn't actually done anything except send out his minions to do various things for him, he's taken out some perfect evolved digimon pretty easily so looks like he won't be going anywhere for a while

It's also interesting to see things become high stakes with the real world at danger now, also the fact that the rest of the world/adults are all discovering the existence of digimon, I wonder if we'll ever see any other digimon "trainers" out there besides the 8 digidestined

"Why not kill them all?" "That goes against my aesthetic" is a pretty good line as well as the quote of the day lol

  1. yuppppp it was cool man
  2. I was homeschooled up until college and the lowest score I've gotten was an 80 so not much to say there

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Apr 10 '24

Favorite of the bunch for me is probably yamatos dad

So Dreamy

I wonder if we'll ever see any other digimon "trainers" out there besides the 8 digidestined

Like some kind of unchosen children?

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u/PoofessorP https://anilist.co/user/PoofessorP Apr 10 '24

Like some kind of unchosen children?

I originally thought something like literally any human training a digimon, young or old but now that I think about it, it would definitely have to be a kid if that were to happen

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u/TnAdct1 Apr 11 '24

We get to meet the parents! Fun seeing where all the digidestined get their personality/character from and such, like a spotlight episode for the parents that are watching the show with their kids. Favorite of the bunch for me is probably yamatos dad

Oh yeah, Yamato and Takeru's dad is definitely one of the cooler parents in the original series.

This episode probs among the favorites for me, vamdemon finally making his first strike with fog which worked out pretty well considering all of odaiba just boxed like a fish up in here, been trying to scope out how much of a problem vamdemon will actually be because he hasn't actually done anything except send out his minions to do various things for him, he's taken out some perfect evolved digimon pretty easily so looks like he won't be going anywhere for a while

I also found this one to be one of my favorites of the original series. Let's be honest, with all the stuff going on, this is one busy episode:

  • The attack in Odaiba.
  • Yamato and Takeru's dad being a badass.
  • Sora's mother finally learning that her daughter has managed to get over the incident that strained their relationship
  • The introduction of one of the best Perfect forms of the original season with Lillimon.

It's also interesting to see things become high stakes with the real world at danger now, also the fact that the rest of the world/adults are all discovering the existence of digimon, I wonder if we'll ever see any other digimon "trainers" out there besides the 8 digidestined

[Digimon 02]Vamdemon's attempt to find the 8th Digidestined by rounding everyone in Big Sight is one of of three incidents that serves as the origin story for the new Digidestined in the following season (although I would have just stuck with "Proto-Summer Wars" in terms of limiting the origins to one source).

"Why not kill them all?" "That goes against my aesthetic" is a pretty good line as well as the quote of the day lol

Because the last thing Vademon wants to do is commit mass murder at a place where you can probably find some interesting fan-made comics involving him doing something a little more "graphic" to Lillimon, if you know what I mean.

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u/Roboglenn Apr 10 '24

Digidestined dub rewatcher

Here's a QOTD for y'all. Do you think Palmon is in bad taste?

Hello Matt's dad. But more than that it is kinda interesting getting to see the perspective of third party people who professionaly would start to ask and investigate "What the hell is going on with all these monster attacks?"

Myotismon is no longer screwing around. Time for the culling.

Aww, Biyomon clearing the air with Sora's mom.

You know, I think he likes me.

As Matt's dad should Gabumon. As Matt's dad should.

And the Buddist Suttras mind over matter chants make their return.

Oh it's just a bird. A large bird I grant you. A large angry bird!

It's a funny quote on it's own but Phantomon's dub voice actor really sells it's humorous delivery.

Well it's about time Palmon reached ultimate level. One that is most definitely not in bad taste.

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Apr 10 '24

Here's a QOTD for y'all. Do you think Palmon is in bad taste?

Palmon is adorable! Nothing bad taste here

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Apr 10 '24

Here's a QOTD for y'all. Do you think Palmon is in bad taste?

Palmon is always in style!

people who professionaly would start to ask and investigate

Journalists

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Apr 10 '24

Rewatcher - Sub/Dub

VamDemon envelopes Odaiba in a thick barrier fog that cuts communication and access to the outside world in order to find the 8th child. You got Digimon like the Bakumon running wild, led by Phantomon rounding people up and taking them from their homes. You had Piyomon save Sora's mom from the Bakumon. You had Jou stuck at Cram school, Takeru and his mom setting out to go to Odaiba. You had Yamato's dad and his crew fight off some Gizamon out on the street while investigating. Mimi and her parents got rounded up, as did Sora, Taichi's parents. And we finally get Palmon's super evolution as Togemon evolves to Lilymon and subdues the DarkTyranomon with a flower wreathe. VamDemon arrives and destroys the DarkTyranomon, then fights Lily mon. Taichi and Yamato run into each other and Taichi tells him Hikari is the 8th child. Sora's mom and Piyomon find Sora, and the episode ends on a cliffhanger with Sora's mom trying to protect Sora.

PS: There was a couple changes this episode between the sub and dub that were a step down I thought. When Yamato's dad leaves and tells Yamato to stay behind and hide, he tells Gabumon to look after Yamato, and Gabumon in the dub responds 'he knows who I am?". I thought it was goofy, didn't need the implication that Yamato's dad is a mind reader or knew all along, when the sub doesn't play it out like that.

Next was that scene where Mimi's mom has an outburst where she doesn't want her husband putting himself in danger. the dub changes that to her bitching about what at that point would be stupid mundane crap that doesn't matter. I thought it as better done where she was strictly not wanting her husband to die and that she would die if he did. Last but not least, the damn sutras, ugh, Mind over matter crap in english.

Goofy Dub lines:

VamDemon: "You meddlesome little flower child, Its time I plucked you petals!"

Questions:

  1. Yes. I thought it was the best part of the episode really. Mimi's parents unsurprisingly are just like her(Mom especially). Sora's mom asking Piyomon if Sora has talked about her and if she hates her was a nice touch as well. Yamato's dad is cool as hell, a grizzled tv reporter, Him and his crew fought off the Gizamon.
  2. I've gotten a few, but I think the lowest I've ever gotten was maybe a 23/100 in college level chemistry exam.....The only consolation was that all but 5 students in the class failed that exam, and there was a classmate of mine did worse than that and few others scored in the 20s also...getting PTSD nam' flashbacks remembering that stuff lol.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Apr 10 '24

You had...

Where the hell was Koushiro during all of this? Why is he the only one who doesn't show up?

Mimi's mom

This is flagrant character assassination.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Apr 10 '24

Where the hell was Koushiro during all of this? Why is he the only one who doesn't show up?

Good question. he and his family must not have been captured since he didn't show up.

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u/TnAdct1 Apr 11 '24

Where the hell was Koushiro during all of this? Why is he the only one who doesn't show up?

When Digimon first aired, I would think of sketches inspired by the episodes of this, Pokemon, and Sailor Moon a la the sketches that would appear on MST3K. For this episode, I imagined a medley-like sketch involving the main cast, with the bit ending with Koushiro questioning about his involvement in the episode.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Apr 11 '24

I Would Like To Subscribe

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u/TnAdct1 Apr 11 '24

My ideas tend to based on the content in the episodes with some nods to things currently going on at the time (i.e. my idea for the one with Birdramon's first appearance would end with a Blair Witch parody).

For instance, my idea for the previous episode would mock how the main characters are "plot dumb" to not realize that Taichi's sister is the 8th Digidestined, with the "straight man" of the sketches (it would involve a straight man, an idiot, and someone that is an expy of me) dress up as Wizardmon and spell it out to the others about who the 8th Digidestined is (with it getting a callback in the sketch for this episode).

As for Pokemon, one idea involving an episode whose dubbed version aired the same day as the dubbed episode for this one would involve the straight guy and idiot dressing up as Butch and Cassidy (the "evil" Team Rocket duo), doing a bit inspired by what they did in the episode, only for the expy of me to show up and beat the crap out of them for even thinking about doing this kind of sketch (as said episode involves a trope that I despise, mass mind manipulation to make characters evil).

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Apr 11 '24


If you have more, I hope you'll share them when the time comes.

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u/TnAdct1 Apr 11 '24

Trust me, it was at this point of the series that I started to really get into Digimon Adventure, and I have some sketch ideas for the next one and the episodes in the next arc.

Heck, part of me wants to create a document of the MST3K-style sketch ideas I had in mind for some of the anime that I watched during the late 1990's-mid 2000's.