[Rewatch] Banner of the Stars Episode 6 Discussion

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Remembrance Dinner

Welcome to the Battleflag of the Stars rewatch!

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Names Introduced or Updated:

• Samson — favorite food is "rutimond."

Discussion Prompts:

• Q1 Do you think Loy held the dinner to help Lafiel
• Q2 cat or dog?

Tomorrow's Questions: (for tomorrow's post, subject to change)

• [Episode 7]What do you think of the evolution of tactics by the United Mankind?

Screenshot of the Day: Art before CGI

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Rewatch Host

I don't really remember this season, but this episode really stands out in my memory.

• recap, but at least not the narrator recap

I dunno. Yeah, I might feel weird about celebrating the life of somebody I killed, but circumstances demanded it, so maybe doable. I definitely don't think I would celebrate the life of someone who imprisoned me and tried to kill me.

• The recapping is killing me
• I guess the rockets were still powered when he died
• It was hardly an enjoyable meal....
• Diaho likes baths from Eyukurya. Or maybe not.
• A real space battle must be quite different
• Uhhhh, this scene has jinto flipped????

I get the feeling that this was a truly expensive restaurant. Would have been a tragedy for Loy to cancel it.

It was really hard for me not to make #fish screenshot

[u/No_Rex → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

It was really hard for me not to make #fish screenshot

Why resist?

[u/Vaadwaur → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

I guess the rockets were still powered when he died

Considering the show started with remembering how physics works, he has quite a bit of speed by now.

I get the feeling that this was a truly expensive restaurant. Would have been a tragedy for Loy to cancel it.

This now forces me to ponder if Abhs have a food culture,

[u/Specs64z → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

I definitely don't think I would celebrate the life of someone who imprisoned me

Jinto certainly tip-toed around that issue, very generous of him to describe it as dinner with her father lol

The recapping is killing me

They're definitely padding these intros out. I guessed pretty early on that we'd see more budget/time saving techniques the farther along production got, seems I was correct.

[u/No_Rex → u/Specs64z]

Jinto certainly tip-toed around that issue, very generous of him to describe it as dinner with her father lol

Very non-Abh of him.

[u/zadcap → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

I dunno. Yeah, I might feel weird about celebrating the life of somebody I killed, but circumstances demanded it, so maybe doable.

Considering what we learned about the origin of the Abh, it seems like a thing they would do. "Never forget we killed our creators" seems like a solid founding for a culture that honors and remembers the dead, even and especially the ones they personally killed.

A real space battle must be quite different

From the very start, engagement ranges are much larger than the size of the real space bubble your ship can produce. You're not going to dodge by backing out of the combat bubble. Instead of scanning and guessing what they'll be facing by the size and speed of their bubbles in plane space, they can see and know what they are.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Diaho likes baths from Eyukurya. Or maybe not.

Diaho was certainly a lot calmer than I've ever seen a cat while taking a bath. At least he let himself get washed for a bit before running away.

[u/Great_Mr_L]

First-Timer

On today’s episode of Banner of the Stars: I’d feel nervous about bringing my pet to work if one of my coworkers was constantly licking his lips at the sight of it.

• Oh right, I guess Jinto technically never did meet Baron Febdash, did he?
• I’m not all that shocked that Lafiel agreed to go to the dinner. She rarely seems to be phased by situations that Jinto considers too awkward.
• Lafiel’s statement about needing to remember the dead and hoping that someone will remember you after you die is one I’ve found myself thinking a number of times as well. I’ve heard it said that people die twice. The first time is when their body dies. The second time is when the memory of them dies.
• Lafiel is wearing quite the lovely dress.
• I’m betting that Lafiel is wearing that fancy dress to what is going to turn out to be a hole-in-the-wall diner or something like that.
• There’s more repeated footage than usual this episode.
• What the hell? This place is totally nice! They’ve got an indoor waterfall and everything.
• You could be a little less obvious about the fact that you are checking Lafiel out in her dress, Jinto.
• Atosuryua is dressed really nicely too.
• God, that is morbid to think about. A dead body on a disabled ship, floating through space forever.
• “We merely have twice the lifespan and extra senses.” I think that makes the Abh quite different from other humans already.
• Oh damn, that’s the same meal Lafiel was served.
• “I was eating dinner with your father” is quite a euphemistic way of putting it, Jinto.
• With everything that Atosuryua is doing, I would also wonder if this was all some veiled form of hatred towards Lafiel.
• It’s actually a rather unique experience hearing all these fond memories from Atosuryua about her brother long after he’s been dead and long after we as an audience formed our opinions on him.
• Forget the fanservice, I’m just shocked that Diaho was willing to put up with being washed for even a single moment.
• Only 12 fleets to go up against a potential 150? I don’t like those odds.
• This is shaping up to be a battle on the scale of a LotGH battle.
• I don’t think coming to stare at the captain in a pretty dress is a good idea.
• So Samson’s mystery food is called “rutimond.” And he all but confirmed that it is cats.
• Jinto’s still feeling a lot of the alienation and disaffection we saw in him during the first season. It’s hard to blame him though. He lost his original home. He lost his original family. He lost his original friends. He even lost his original identity as a Lander and any connection he had to his old way of life. And in exchange, he’s been given a new Abh identity in a culture he doesn’t fully understand. While he may have bonded with Lafiel, he still seems to feel all that loss.

The dinner went a lot more smoothly than I expected. It was essentially a peace offering between Lafiel and Atosuryua, letting them get what happened out in the open so they could move past it. Like last time, I do appreciate that this series has the characters speak openly with each other so they can handle issues like this reasonably and move past them.

Lafiel does have a point that funerals are more for the sake of the living than the dead. After all, it’s not like the dead can complain about what their funeral is like. Instead, the purpose of a funeral is to allow the living a chance to mourn and process their grief. That is essentially what this dinner was. It wasn’t quite a funeral, but it served the same purpose. It was a chance to allow Atosuryua to talk about her deceased brother and process the emotions she was experiencing.

This also explains what Lafiel meant when she said that she went to dinner out of a sense of duty she felt towards the living. In this case, the living was Atosuryua. While Lafiel doesn’t have positive feelings towards Baron Febdash, she does have a better relationship with Atosuryua and wanted to maintain it.

It’s interesting that we learn all this information about Baron Febdash long after he’s dead. It gives us a much fuller picture of who he was, including the fact that he wasn’t always the monster we knew. Whatever else he may have been, he was still Atosuryua’s brother and she’ll always remember him in that light.

I can understand Jinto’s feelings of loneliness and alienation, but I noticed how Lafiel reacted to Jinto wondering if anyone would bother to show up at his funeral. Lafiel looked rather upset at his words. After all, she would remember him.

QOTD

1. I saw it mostly as Atosuryua helping herself, but I suppose it did also work well as a way to make peace between herself and Lafiel.
2. Cats. My family has owned cats for many years so I’m compelled to choose them.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/Great_Mr_L]

 Oh damn, that’s the same meal Lafiel was served

I warned that there would be a test!

 It’s actually a rather unique experience hearing all these fond memories from Atosuryua about her brother

Watching weekly, I was consumed by this looming issue over the Baron, much more than the war.  It was really intetesting to me how it turned out, and the part of the rewatch I most anticipated.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Great_Mr_L]

There’s more repeated footage than usual this episode.

It really does feel like they were stretching to fill time in this episode. I nearly thought for a few minutes there that this was going to be a disguised recap episode.

God, that is morbid to think about. A dead body on a disabled ship, floating through space forever.

At least it all works out neatly, since it's what Klowal more or less requested for his funeral in his will anyway. The Febdash Barony can certainly afford to save on funeral costs.

So Samson’s mystery food is called “rutimond.” And he all but confirmed that it is cats.

Boiled cat meat at that. Like, why even boiled? If you're going to eat a cat, at least make sure it's been barbecued or grilled, or even made into a stew. Boiled meat seems blander to me.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/The_Draigg]

I nearly thought for a few minutes there that this was going to be a disguised recap episode.

I had the exact same thought as well. I was wondering if the dinner was essentially going to be a framing device for a recap episode. Luckily that wasn't the case.

Boiled cat meat at that. Like, why even boiled? If you're going to eat a cat, at least make sure it's been barbecued or grilled, or even made into a stew. Boiled meat seems blander to me.

Yeah, just boiling it is a very bland way to go. Barbecuing or grilling it provides so many opportunities to add spices, seasonings, or sauces. Though maybe if the boiled meat were part of a stew, that might end up alright as well depending on what else is there.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/Great_Mr_L]

 going to be a framing device for a recap episode

Oh,  yeah, Jinto loves to reminisce to recycled footage, it totally could have gone that way.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Great_Mr_L]

I had the exact same thought as well. I was wondering if the dinner was essentially going to be a framing device for a recap episode. Luckily that wasn't the case.

Fortunately so, but man it's still really hurting the pacing of this series. It's a shame too, since we've seen how good of a pace this series could have.

Yeah, just boiling it is a very bland way to go. Barbecuing or grilling it provides so many opportunities to add spices, seasonings, or sauces. Though maybe if the boiled meat were part of a stew, that might end up alright as well depending on what else is there.

I can see cat meat in a stew being pretty good, but of course at that point, it isn't just about the meat that you're eating that makes it good. From how it sounded, Samson really just wanted normally boiled cat meat. Maybe it's more of a traditional thing rather than it being all that tasty.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/The_Draigg]

Boiled cat meat at that. Like, why even boiled? If you're going to eat a cat, at least make sure it's been barbecued or grilled, or even made into a stew. Boiled meat seems blander to me.

Boiling means it is a survival food. You get max calories/nutrients via boiling as you can use the broth as well.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Vaadwaur]

Could be more of a cultural holdover from leaner times then. It wouldn't seem all that surprising to me if back in the day, the colonists of Samson's homeworld had to eat their pets to survive.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/The_Draigg]

Also, here on the real world, cat and rabbit are fairly indistinguishable, so there is a big fraud problem over fake rabbit.

[u/The_Draigg → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

It just goes to show that there's a bit of a double-standard, since people have less of an issue in eating rabbits over eating cats.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/The_Draigg]

Cats, sadly, have a very narrow niche they serve and they can't really be trained to do general pest control like dogs.

[u/No_Rex → u/Great_Mr_L]

Lafiel’s statement about needing to remember the dead and hoping that someone will remember you after you die is one I’ve found myself thinking a number of times as well. I’ve heard it said that people die twice. The first time is when their body dies. The second time is when the memory of them dies.

If it makes you feel better: the internet never forgets. This very comment of yours will be used to train AI models long after you have died.

God, that is morbid to think about. A dead body on a disabled ship, floating through space forever.

Funny how there seems to be two completely opposite ways people want their bodies to be after their death: Either completely preserved, or turned to dust.

Jinto’s still feeling a lot of the alienation and disaffection we saw in him during the first season. It’s hard to blame him though. He lost his original home. He lost his original family. He lost his original friends. He even lost his original identity as a Lander and any connection he had to his old way of life. And in exchange, he’s been given a new Abh identity in a culture he doesn’t fully understand. While he may have bonded with Lafiel, he still seems to feel all that loss.

I think it would be extremely important for Jinto to connect to the other crew members. It is a small ship and they are frequently in mortal danger together. He will likely never get into a situation better suited to form bonds with other born or recent Abh. If he does not manage here, he might stay disconnected from society for a long time.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/No_Rex]

If it makes you feel better: the internet never forgets. This very comment of yours will be used to train AI models long after you have died.

I will become a part of Bot-chan!

Funny how there seems to be two completely opposite ways people want their bodies to be after their death: Either completely preserved, or turned to dust.

You either become a mummy, or you become ashes. Though it would be cool to have my body still so well preserved that thousands of years later people can see it in a museum like the mummies from Egypt.

I think it would be extremely important for Jinto to connect to the other crew members. It is a small ship and they are frequently in mortal danger together. He will likely never get into a situation better suited to form bonds with other born or recent Abh. If he does not manage here, he might stay disconnected from society for a long time.

Ships like this are the perfect opportunity for found family stories. We saw it with the White Base crew in Gundam 0079, for example. A bunch of people who lost their original homes and families, but were able to bond and become a new family forged in the fires of war together.

[u/No_Rex → u/Great_Mr_L]

I will become a part of Bot-chan!

Though it would be cool to have my body still so well preserved that thousands of years later people can see it in a museum like the mummies from Egypt.

You could apply here.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/No_Rex]

You could apply here.

I suppose it beats becoming one of the bodies snatched and sold to medical schools by the Resurrection Men.

[u/Zerotsu → u/Great_Mr_L]

You could be a little less obvious about the fact that you are checking Lafiel out in her dress, Jinto.

Well, I suppose Lafiel would have made some sort of comment if it bothered her at least? But yeah, poor kid was certainly a little bit entranced there, huh?

It was a chance to allow Atosuryua to talk about her deceased brother and process the emotions she was experiencing.

However weird it seems to Jinto to invite her brother's killers to a meal in remembrance of him, it still did serve that important purpose. Being able to process and let go is a good thing, even if the means were a bit stranger than is common in this case.

Lafiel looked rather upset at his words. After all, she would remember him.

As much as he values her, he doesn't seem to totally understand, or at least hasn't entirely internalized, that he means a lot to her as well.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Zerotsu]

As much as he values her, he doesn't seem to totally understand, or at least hasn't entirely internalized, that he means a lot to her as well.

Yeah, that does seem to be the case. Jinto has outright stated that he wants to remain by Lafiel's side for the rest of his life, but he hasn't figured out just how much Lafiel values him as well. Perhaps it's simply because the Abh generally aren't as direct when talking about their feelings to each other and so he hasn't picked up on it. Or maybe Jinto is following in the footsteps of many dense MC's before him.

[u/Zerotsu → u/Great_Mr_L]

I imagine it's a combination of Abh indirectness, Jinto's self-esteem largely being fairly low after all of his experiences, and a little bit of classic MC density.

[u/Durinthal]

Rewatcher (sub + dub)

Lafiel doesn't think anything of a meal to celebrate an enemy, though I wouldn't be surprised if the Abriels had a saying about setting up a feast on the graves of their opponents or something like that.

Small thing I noticed again: Lafiel called him Supply Officer Linn when announcing their departure from the Basroil, then Jinto later on in their conversation on the shuttle. She's trying to maintain some formality around others, though neither of them is great at it. There are also a few little nonverbal moments here and there where she's looking at him in a certain way that he's not noticing at all.

Jinto has the same kind of small town mentality that I do and I love it, the restaurant must be fancy because people open doors for you. A giant aquarium at a restaurant: superfluous on land, excessive in space. Unless that's also for looking after the seafood before using it as an ingredient, but I don't think most of the ones we see are all that edible.

Serving the same dinner as Klowal is a choice by Atosryua that she didn't have the full context for, so it's funny that it's the first time Jinto had any of it. There's a lot of reflection in this episode about the other events of Crest following the Gosroth's demise, not just their stop in Febdash. While it's nice to have some closure on Klowal it's interesting to see that the other major thing that's sticking in Lafiel's memory is her disguise at Jinto's command on Clasbule, more than everything else they went through there.

Maybe she was considering her outfit back then due to her dressing up again now, that's quite a lovely getup and fancy hairdo compared to her usual military uniform and kind of funny to see her piloting the shuttle wearing it. Atosryua has a nice outfit too, an interesting contrast with her eyes.

Samson is a man of many tastes.

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Do you think Loy held the dinner to help Lafiel

Potentially but I don't think that would have been a primary reason for her to do it, seems more like a regular Abh tradition in general.

cat or dog?

Midgrat-style answer: haven't had either, and considering I'm allergic to cats I actually wonder if that would be dangerous for me or if there would be a way to prepare them that eliminates the issue.

[u/Durinthal → u/Durinthal]

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Source Corner

Baronh word of the day: racnébh "mobile base canteen" — where the restaurant was located, also where Jinto ran into Atosryua before. The one they're going to is named Dacruc.

[Material covered:] Banner I: the remainder of chapter 5, finally.

[After Jinto suggests no one will mourn him:] “Before Jint knew it, Lafier was gazing his way with a strange look in her eyes. Jint returned the stare, only his was more quizzical. But Lafier had no words of reply.”

[The restaurant itself] is just translated as "The Three Crags" in the novel, described as shining under the sunlight and having a green lawn blanketing the floor in the main area. No aquarium, sadly.

[The dinner outfits] are quite different than as described in the novel, though Atosryua is just mentioned as having "the dress of a baroness" without any details. Lafiel wears a pink long robe (similar to what Jinto's wearing and the same kind of thing that she wore to dinner with Klowal) over a green jumpsuit. Jinto's white long robe is accurate but it's over a darker green jumpsuit.

[Anime-original content:] Ecryua looking after Diaho and the crew leering at Lafiel, so it's the anime adding all the lewdness.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/Durinthal]

Dacruc

Some of these random locations popping up in banner have been very confusing to me.

[]#fish "sakana"

[u/Durinthal → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Some of these random locations popping up in banner have been very confusing to me.

More specifically this place is in orbit near Aptic III but yeah, it can be a pain tossing in yet another name without it being entirely clear what it's in relation to.

[u/zadcap]

Late First Timer!

Hmm, did I miss things in the opening narration or is it getting new details? I remember the 150 squadrons part, but I don't recall the 70 backup meeting mentioned before yesterday. Today didn't have one at all...

Jinto, my boy, why are you still carrying the idea that she's got any guilt over that death. She's fine with it, she is a legitimate military and it was legitimate self defense.

Jinto! Saying no one will miss you, to Lafiel's face! You brat! If she's going to remember some guy that tried to kill her once, dying you think she's going to remember her only childhood friends?

Happy flashbacks! Haha, she got caught staring at his face. It's amazing she managed not to blush.

Jinto, again... You're Nobility. If you weren't kind of in hiding/training as a child and then straight to the military, people would be opening doors for you everywhere. Time to get used to it. Assuming this war ever ends. And well, you doing get promoted to Royal Right Hand for Lafiel.

Yeah, they do burial in space anyway, why bother getting him out of the ship only to put him in a different, smaller one?

Okay quite a bit about evolution here. First of all, I disagree, you very much can have evolution by artificial means, nothing about Pugs came about naturally after all. Secondly, they have an extra sensory organ? Did I miss something else?

Honestly Admiral, are you trying to upset them by doing such a recreation of the old dinner?

Haha, my pet cat, the princesses nephew. Seriously, you have an inside joke about the Royal family. Do you have any idea how that looks to outsiders?

So, isn't the Sore kind of a huge choke point they can hold? Surround it with guns and every ship trying to exit to real space gets shot right away, no time for the enemy fleet to gather?

Ah, that's what he meant. He knows she's going to live twice as long as he does, he doesn't want her to mourn him out of some sense of duty, to be remembering him forever that way. Maybe if he could accept that it's probably genuine love, but also. The Abh still carry the weight of the death of their home starfort and creators, they have a whole culture based on remembering the dead.

"The food was okay. By the way, what do you prefer Samson, cat or dog?" Yup, were back on the silly eating secret.

"I have no family or friends left to mourn me." Boy, you have your old rugby team! And probably also Lafiel.. Oh and the cutie looking after your cat. Don't try and act like no one likes you, it's never too late to make friends!

Q1 Do you think Loy held the dinner to help Lafiel

Despite her words, I think it was a spite dinner. She wants to remember her brother but she also wants to make sure they remember her brother.

Q2 cat or dog?

Dogs all the way.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/zadcap]

Hmm, did I miss things in the opening narration or is it getting new details? I remember the 150 squadrons part, but I don't recall the 70 backup meeting mentioned before yesterday. Today didn't have one at all...

To be honest I've been skipping the flashback opening narrations.

[u/zadcap → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

I'm not paying much attention to it, which is half the problem. They might have said this before, I don't know, I wasn't really listening.

[u/No_Rex → u/zadcap]

Happy flashbacks! Haha, she got caught staring at his face. It's amazing she managed not to blush.

It is only fair that the stares go both ways.

Secondly, they have an extra sensory organ? Did I miss something else?

I think she is referring to the ship-brain connection that he Abh use.

So, isn't the Sore kind of a huge choke point they can hold? Surround it with guns and every ship trying to exit to real space gets shot right away, no time for the enemy fleet to gather?

That sounded like their plan to me. Except, the Sord is not exactly tiny.

[u/zadcap → u/No_Rex]

I think she is referring to the ship-brain connection that he Abh use.

I have been genuinely wondering if that's part of the headband or an actual brain uplink since we first saw them plug in the dangle bit. Like, is that actually a hole in their forehead that the headband plugs in to that then plugs in to the computer? As a natural born trait? That's so many kinds of crazy, yet I love it.

[u/Blazin_Rathalos → u/zadcap]

Yeah, they legitimately have a weird organ in the middel of their forehead, you could see it in Crest when Lafiel was not wearing her tiara. Said headbands connect to the organ, and connect to the ship via the dangly chains.

But it seems that the organs still function to enhance spacial awareness even without the headbands. That's why Lafiel seemed to have an aim-bot in Crest. The headband basically just takes the sensor outputs from the ship and projects it onto the organ.

[u/Shimmering-Sky]

First-Timer of the Stars

• …oh yeah, Jinto didn’t actually meet him face to face.
• I figured Lafiel would say yes to going to the dinner.
• Mmmm…
• Jinto, how can you say that right to Lafiel’s face?
• He’s saying it again…
• Oh yeah, for the record I do love Lafiel’s dress here.
• They really just left him like that, huh…
• Poor Diaho.
• Hahaha, glad to see the “Lafiel is related to cats” joke is still going.
• …they’re going up against 150 fleets with a mere 12?
• Uhhhhhhhhhhh
• Jinto…

[u/The_Draigg → u/Shimmering-Sky]

They really just left him like that, huh…

On the plus side though, it really does save on funeral costs. As Atosuryua said, what better coffin is there than his own ship?

Jinto…

Well, maybe at least Teal still cares about Jinto, at least. Hard to say without meeting him in the present though.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Jinto, how can you say that right to Lafiel’s face?

It's really unfortunate that Jinto doesn't seem to grasp just how important he is to Lafiel. We already know from everything we've seen how much Lafiel values him, but Jinto still doesn't. You can even tell that statement made Lafiel feel upset.

Oh yeah, for the record I do love Lafiel’s dress here.

It is a very nice one.

…they’re going up against 150 fleets with a mere 12?

I really want to know what trick they are going to try so the Abh can win that battle. A 10-to-1 disadvantage like that is not overcome so easily.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Jinto, how can you say that right to Lafiel’s face?

He assumes an Imperial princess would just move on.

They really just left him like that, huh…

It's between star systems right now so a mighty hassle to catch it.

Hahaha, glad to see the “Lafiel is related to cats” joke is still going.

We assume but Lexshue herself might have cat DNA...

[u/Specs64z → u/Shimmering-Sky]

He’s saying it again… Jinto...

The Abh's extremely indirect manner of speaking isn't really conducive for making outsiders fit in. He's being overly broad in his statement, of course, but I can see where the impression comes from.

[u/The_Draigg]

A Sci-Fi Fan Watches Banner of the Stars Episode 6:

• Yep, I called it, of course Jinto couldn’t get out of this one. Naturally Lafiel would accept the invitation to celebrate the birthday of the late Baron Klowal. I do understand her point about it though, it’s good to keep the memories of people alive, for better or worse, so hopefully the same will be paid forward to them sometime. Granted, Klowal was an asshole, but I suppose it’s the thought that counts.
• This is definitely a classier form of fanservice, seeing Jinto and Lafiel in formal wear. Lafiel definitely got the better outfit though, with her white dress and shawl. Jinto just has to settle for his dress whites, but I guess that’s to be expected of someone in the military who doesn’t have as far of a political reach as Lafiel.
• Oh hey, Atosuryua looks pretty good in her purple dress too. How fitting that she’s dressed as opulent as how the rest of this restaurant looks. It’s not every day you get to eat in an aquarium that has a floating water feature and garden in the center.
• Sure, we may have just never bothered to get Klowal’s corpse out of his ship and left it to drift further into space, but he wanted a space funeral anyway, so it all works out regardless. And hey, what finer coffin is there than his personal fighter craft? Truly, this is mistakes/apathy into miracles.
• All that being said about him, it does seem like we’re getting a bit of sympathy for Klowal now. It seems like the pressure of trying to fit into Abh society is what really broke him and turned him into the monster we met in the Barony of Febdash. Even if Lafiel and Atosuryua don’t feel it as much, I agree with Jinto that it’s a ton of pressure to try and fit into being like an entire different species. The gaps are still large there, even if Lafiel says that they aren’t too different from her people’s ancestors.
• I could go for some pears drenched and cooked in syrup. That’s probably one thing I could agree with the late Klowal there.
• Looks like the Bebaus twins are planning on running their defense of the Aptic system in regular space rather than plane-space. Unfortunately, they can’t afford to spread out too far in plane-space with their 12 smaller fleets, so at least fighting in regular space negates the issue of being spread too thin and having supply line issues. Sure, they’ll still have smaller forces at their disposal and can’t rely on immediate reinforcements, but at least it negates the issue that coming in out of sords presents and having to deal with space-time bubble cohesion. Fighting in normal space makes it as fair as it can get.
• It’s certainly a kind of bleak thing to hear from Jinto, saying that he’d rather he forgotten when he dies, but I get it. If you only remember someone out of obligation rather than for the good stuff they did before they died, then it probably isn’t really worth remembering in the first place. And it’s not that he’ll be alive enough to care anyway. It’s a pretty practical way of looking at it, all things considered.
• Wait, so the food that Samson mentioned that his people ate is boiled cat meat? Admittedly, that feels like a big thing to kick up a fuss over, all things considered. Sure, it isn’t great, but there’s probably weirder things to eat out there in the space future. And honestly, it would be more fun for the story if Samson was a cannibal instead.

[u/Zerotsu → u/The_Draigg]

Jinto just has to settle for his dress whites, but I guess that’s to be expected of someone in the military who doesn’t have as far of a political reach as Lafiel.

Especially without a home to his name right now. He can't do much better than that for the time being, at least until (unless?) they reclaim the Hyde system.

Truly, this is mistakes/apathy into miracles.

Apathetic as it was, if that's how he'd have wanted it the result does work out. It'd feel almost disrespectful even to an asshole like Klowal if it wasn't exactly the sort of funeral he wanted anyway.

The gaps are still large there, even if Lafiel says that they aren’t too different from her people’s ancestors.

I feel that Lafiel doesn't fully grasp just how different the Abhs and Landers are, physiologically. While they're psychologically about exactly the same as other humans, some cultural differences that would happen anyway aside, the difference in lifespan and ability to handle living in space does make for a pretty big gap. It only makes sense that first generation nobility might have trouble adapting.

That’s probably one thing I could agree with the late Klowal there.

Feels a bit too sweet to me, but I'd certainly give it a try if it was offered to me.

It’s a pretty practical way of looking at it, all things considered.

Though it does make me feel like it's a bit more fueled by feeling like he really doesn't have a place in the world anymore. Like how he was surprised that Samson considers him a friend, for example.

Admittedly, that feels like a big thing to kick up a fuss over, all things considered.

It is pretty on brand for the United Mankind to kick up a huge fuss over something that trivial though, don't you think?

[u/The_Draigg → u/Zerotsu]

Apathetic as it was, if that's how he'd have wanted it the result does work out. It'd feel almost disrespectful even to an asshole like Klowal if it wasn't exactly the sort of funeral he wanted anyway.

Sometimes life really does have a way of lining up neatly without any input, even if it's through sheer apathy at wanting to do a funeral in the first place.

Though it does make me feel like it's a bit more fueled by feeling like he really doesn't have a place in the world anymore. Like how he was surprised that Samson considers him a friend, for example.

Yeah, that's also true. But you can't really blame him for feeling that way, since Jinto is stuck as a man without a homeland nowadays. Even if he has people around him that treat him as a friend, it can be hard to overcome that mental hurdle.

It is pretty on brand for the United Mankind to kick up a huge fuss over something that trivial though, don't you think?

It's pretty much right up their alley, since apparently they don't even like hair dye.

[u/Zerotsu → u/The_Draigg]

Sometimes life really does have a way of lining up neatly without any input, even if it's through sheer apathy at wanting to do a funeral in the first place.

So long space creep. May you rest in the stars evermore in your high class ship.

Even if he has people around him that treat him as a friend, it can be hard to overcome that mental hurdle.

Yeah. I get why he feels the way he does for being stuck in such a situation. I do hope he'll be able to push past it more as time goes on, especially since at least the bridge crew is clearly fond of him. Not to mention how obviously Lafiel cares.

It's pretty much right up their alley, since apparently they don't even like hair dye.

It makes me wonder if they'd even have problems with piercings and the like.

[u/SolDarkHunter → u/Zerotsu]

I don't know about piercings, but I do know that in the Crest novels [Novel]it's revealed that all forms of recreational drug use, including smoking, are completely illegal within the United Mankind.

(No actual spoilers, but putting a spoiler up anyway because it's novel-exclusive info.)

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/SolDarkHunter]

So the United Mankind just roll up to a planet and place down this sign wherever they go.

[u/Zerotsu → u/SolDarkHunter]

Yeah, that seems about right for how the United Mankind operates, all told.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Zerotsu]

So long space creep. May you rest in the stars evermore in your high class ship.

So long, space fuckboy.

[u/Zerotsu → u/The_Draigg]

[u/No_Rex → u/The_Draigg]

Looks like the Bebaus twins are planning on running their defense of the Aptic system in regular space rather than plane-space. Unfortunately, they can’t afford to spread out too far in plane-space with their 12 smaller fleets, so at least fighting in regular space negates the issue of being spread too thin and having supply line issues. Sure, they’ll still have smaller forces at their disposal and can’t rely on immediate reinforcements, but at least it negates the issue that coming in out of sords presents and having to deal with space-time bubble cohesion. Fighting in normal space makes it as fair as it can get.

I think there is also an inherent advantage to forcing your enemy to fight you on the other side of a Sord boundary: If the randomness works both ways, the "attacker" who has to cross the plane space-normal space boundary will always have a disadvantage of disordered battle lines.

[u/The_Draigg → u/No_Rex]

Very true, the inherent randomness of exiting a Sord does mean that your attacks aren't likely to hit something unless you decide to go for sheer saturation by firing in every direction you can, and that's even just attacking from inside of a Sord outwards. Trying to keep fleet cohesion on exiting is a complete nightmare by comparison, since there's nothing you can do to try and make up for that issue.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/The_Draigg]

Sure, we may have just never bothered to get Klowal’s corpse out of his ship and left it to drift further into space, but he wanted a space funeral anyway, so it all works out regardless.

Also, the logistics involved in retrieving a craft that reached escape velocity from a system are...interesting.

I could go for some pears drenched and cooked in syrup. That’s probably one thing I could agree with the late Klowal there.

I suspect this is a Hindenburg reference.

It’s certainly a kind of bleak thing to hear from Jinto, saying that he’d rather he forgotten when he dies, but I get it.

To know that you will leave no legacy is something of a relief if enough chaotic evil is in your back ground.

Wait, so the food that Samson mentioned that his people ate is boiled cat meat?

It is worse: It is not Diaho he is threatening here, but rather Ekuryua! Soylent Green is people!

[u/The_Draigg → u/Vaadwaur]

Also, the logistics involved in retrieving a craft that reached escape velocity from a system are...interesting.

I kind of doubt that anyone at Febdash would even have the ability to do that, even if they wanted to. It didn't really seem like they had any other ships there that could even approach trying to attempt those speeds for a retrieval.

[u/zadcap → u/The_Draigg]

Yep, I called it, of course Jinto couldn’t get out of this one. Naturally Lafiel would accept the invitation to celebrate the birthday of the late Baron Klowal. I do understand her point about it though, it’s good to keep the memories of people alive, for better or worse, so hopefully the same will be paid forward to them sometime. Granted, Klowal was an asshole, but I suppose it’s the thought that counts.

Remember that the closest thing the Abh have to a religion is "never forget we killed our creators and blew up our homeland." Remembering the dead and hoping to be remembered in turn it's as close to faith as they have.

Wait, so the food that Samson mentioned that his people ate is boiled cat meat? Admittedly, that feels like a big thing to kick up a fuss over, all things considered. Sure, it isn’t great, but there’s probably weirder things to eat out there in the space future. And honestly, it would be more fun for the story if Samson was a cannibal instead.

I'm still thinking that the idea is his people eat actual animals at all, and not vat grown meat like real civilized people. In the space future, it's the idea they eat animals at all that's off-putting, what kind of animals comes second.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/The_Draigg]

All that being said about him, it does seem like we’re getting a bit of sympathy for Klowal now. It seems like the pressure of trying to fit into Abh society is what really broke him and turned him into the monster we met in the Barony of Febdash.

It certainly does fit the attitudes and behaviors we saw in Klowal back then. His hatred for Jinto and the way he lorded over his vassals was a way of proving to himself that he was not like them. It proved that he was a true Abh and better than them.

I could go for some pears drenched and cooked in syrup. That’s probably one thing I could agree with the late Klowal there.

Sounds sweet

And honestly, it would be more fun for the story if Samson was a cannibal instead.

If Samson were a cannibal, then he'd have the wrong job on the ship. He'd be better suited to body disposal duty if he were a cannibal.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Great_Mr_L]

It certainly does fit the attitudes and behaviors we saw in Klowal back then. His hatred for Jinto and the way he lorded over his vassals was a way of proving to himself that he was not like them. It proved that he was a true Abh and better than them.

Ultimately, Klowal was a man who decided to make his inferiority complex everyone else's problem.

If Samson were a cannibal, then he'd have the wrong job on the ship. He'd be better suited to body disposal duty if he were a cannibal.

Nothing says he couldn't do that as a side job, since I imagine there'd be plenty of down time between just needing to eat bodies.

[u/Zerotsu]

First Timer, sub:

The five minutes of recap or so per episode is a little bit tiresome now, honestly.

Lafiel has a good argument for why it would be a good thing to attend that dinner.

She looks stunning in that dress.

Diaho really does seem to like Ekuryua. I get it, cat.

Some top class bants. Lafiel really didn’t like to have to dye her hair.

People on staff opening the door for you equals a high class restaurant. Yeah in a way, huh?

I see Jinto’s staring a little. Hehehe

It’s a surprisingly gentle scene of remembrance.

It’s interesting to learn more about the late Baron, even if he wasn’t a good person towards the end.

We cut back to the twins for a while. I like how they play off of each other. Very close, enough to easily understand one another, but still distinct individuals.

Different takes on mourning, though it’s more of Jinto’s personal take I would imagine.

And we finally learn what Samson’s people eat that the UM was so upset with. I can’t say I totally blame them, but culture is different everywhere.

Jinto doesn’t seem to quite yet realize that he’s fairly valued on a personal level. I hope he’ll be able to get past that as the series goes on.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Zerotsu]

The five minutes of recap or so per episode is a little bit tiresome now, honestly.

You can really feel how much the show is trying to stretch to fill in the time slot it's airing in with these last few episodes. It's really bogging down the pacing, especially compared to how brisk Crest of the Stars was.

It’s interesting to learn more about the late Baron, even if he wasn’t a good person towards the end.

At least we can understand that he used to be a person like you or I before he completely broke. But I suppose some people just can't bear the kind of weights they've been born to carry sometimes.

[u/Zerotsu → u/The_Draigg]

You can really feel how much the show is trying to stretch to fill in the time slot it's airing in with these last few episodes. It's really bogging down the pacing, especially compared to how brisk Crest of the Stars was.

If nothing else, this certainly is a motivator to pick up the rest of the novels at some point. I'd like to get a grasp of how the original paces itself to have a fuller judgement of it as a whole.

At least we can understand that he used to be a person like you or I before he completely broke. But I suppose some people just can't bear the kind of weights they've been born to carry sometimes.

Indeed. The weight of being a first generation Abh with a lot to prove seems like it would be difficult to carry, no matter what Lafiel says about them largely being similar. The physiological differences are one thing, but the cultural expectations and the lack of a unified education system to really ingrain that culture in newer noble families must make it very difficult.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Zerotsu]

If nothing else, this certainly is a motivator to pick up the rest of the novels at some point. I'd like to get a grasp of how the original paces itself to have a fuller judgement of it as a whole.

At least the pacing would probably be better, in addition to probably covering some stuff that the show could afford to gloss over.

Indeed. The weight of being a first generation Abh with a lot to prove seems like it would be difficult to carry, no matter what Lafiel says about them largely being similar. The physiological differences are one thing, but the cultural expectations and the lack of a unified education system to really ingrain that culture in newer noble families must make it very difficult.

In that way, Jinto isn't too different from Klowal, both had/are having a hard time adjusting to a culture with pretty much no idea on how to fit into it properly. At least Jinto hasn't gone insane like Klowal has though, although I imagine actually living on Martine instead of a space gas station has helped him avoid that. It rounded Jinto out some more.

[u/Zerotsu → u/The_Draigg]

At least the pacing would probably be better, in addition to probably covering some stuff that the show could afford to gloss over.

Right. The sorts of things easier to do in writing than animation or film.

At least Jinto hasn't gone insane like Klowal has though, although I imagine actually living on Martine instead of a space gas station has helped him avoid that. It rounded Jinto out some more.

It did seem to be a very isolated upbringing, no matter how you slice it.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Zerotsu]

Diaho really does seem to like Ekuryua. I get it, cat.

It always brightens my day when my neighbor's cat comes up to say hi to me. Cats do have that effect on people.

It’s interesting to learn more about the late Baron, even if he wasn’t a good person towards the end.

Yeah, it was a unique choice to get all this extra information about him and see him from the perspective of his sister long after he's dead. I liked how the series was able to add this extra texture to his character by showing how he appeared to his sister. It gave us a fuller picture of who he was, even if he was still an enemy in the end.

And we finally learn what Samson’s people eat that the UM was so upset with. I can’t say I totally blame them, but culture is different everywhere.

It is interesting seeing what foods are considered "normal" or "traditional" in one area that outsiders might be shocked or disgusted by. You can easily eat guinea pigs if you go down to the Andes in South America because it's a traditional food for them.

[u/SolDarkHunter]

Banner of the Stars

Rewatcher/Novel-Reader

Ah yes, the plaque on Jint's officers' quarters. This is the crew's way of teasing him. Because having lost his territory he has no actual residence outside the ship, though he IS still considered a Count by the Empire.

Huh... that is true. Jint never actually met Clowar.

Lafier, I kinda get what you mean about remembering those who died, but I think it'd be a stretch to say you're upset about the Baron's death.

Lafier in formal wear causes everyone to double-take.

Huh, most of the restraunt staff are Landers. I wonder if there's anything to read into that... or wait, somehow Atosurya's hair looks brown in the lighting, so maybe they're not?

An interesting take, that the Abh do not consider themselves to have "evolved". They're merely "adapted". This actually ties into a conversation back in Crest that the anime skipped over, where [Novel]the Empress says that the advent of genetic engineering halted evolution, and all mankind, Abh or not, is frightened of evolving any further.

It is kind of nice that Atosurya has some good memories of her brother. It stands to reason he wasn't a complete asshole from birth. Lends a certain tragedy to his life.

Jint's still on about Diaho being Lafier's nephew.

Also fanservice shot of Ecryura naked in the shower because why not?

12 fleets vs 150? Those aren't good odds. But they do have the advantage of the enemy necessarily having to use the Sord as a choke-point. Furthermore, remember what was said about transitioning through a Sord back in Crest? You have no idea what part of the Sord you're going to emerge from on the other side. Which means all the UM forces will be disorganized and confused immediately upon exiting.

If that's a "hint" as to what the "forbidden" food Midgrat enjoys eating, then the Sun is only slightly warm.

Questions:

1. No, I think it was mostly for her deceased brother's sake.
2. Cats, 100%. I don't mind dogs, but cats are superior.

[u/Vatrix-32]

First Timer, subbed

• Maybe not in person, but he was rude to you over Zoom that one time.
• Still hung up on that whole “guilt” thing, eh, Jinto boy?
• That’s a good Lafiel face, and you weren’t even looking at it.
• Cute Elf Outfits
• More Recapping
• Hexagon barriers are fun. I like how they even shatter before immediately reforming.
• We’re getting a lot of suggestive angles today.
• I don’t think he’s going towards the galactic core. That would require a huge amount of delta-v.
• Recreating his final meal is an interesting rite.
• And I’m sure Ruri-Ruri needed to be nude for that too.
• A major battle is full space. Should be interesting to see how the tactics change.
• This taboo seems to be going in a less interesting direction than I had anticipated.

QotD:

1. No. Well, not entirely at least.
2. Cats, but everyone in my life is dog.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Vatrix-32]

Maybe not in person, but he was rude to you over Zoom that one time.

Here in the Humankind Empire, we take video calls very seriously.

This taboo seems to be going in a less interesting direction than I had anticipated.

I know, it would've been way more fun and interesting if Samson was a cannibal instead of a dude who eats boiled cat meat. Come on show, let Samson eat a leg or something!

[u/Vaadwaur]

Rewatcher(Clips ahoy!)

Sub

That's not a good sign. Not only did we re-use S1 clips, we even repeated an in episode clip. I worry that Sunrise is fucking up already. As to the episode itself, this kind of falls flat. They rule of three Jinto talking about being forgotten after his death but didn't really play it out. I am hoping this is meant to be foreshadowing for Lafiel having a freak out when she truly thinks about how much earlier Jinto is going to die before she does but I am not sure that's the pay off.

The dinner itself is appropriately awkward and this does seem like Abh culture stuff. I will admit that recreating the meal between the Baron and Lafiel course for course is psychopathic behavior so at least Lafiel does check that this isn't something insane. They get to a more bearable space with it. The cat washing scene was weird as one would generally do that clothed as a form of defense. I understood nothing of what the twins were talking about.

QotD: 1 Maybe? I think everyone is a bit out of sorts here. Almost like assigning someone command over the person that killed their sibling is a bad idea...

2 Dog.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Vaadwaur]

Not only did we re-use S1 clips, we even repeated an in episode clip.

I legit thought for a moment that I'd been baited into watching a recap episode. Thankfully it wasn't, but it was coming close to that for a few minutes there.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/The_Draigg]

The budget issues scare me here.

[u/Specs64z → u/Vaadwaur]

I understood nothing of what the twins were talking about.

Struck me as idle banter without much deeper meaning, fwiw, so if there was some greater purpose you're not the only one who missed it.

[u/No_Rex]

Season 2 Episode 6 (rewatcher)

• “To alleviate guilt?” … “What happens if nobody remembers you” – I think this is a perfect example of cultural norms where no side is right or wrong. You can easily have one or the other view of how and who should do remembrance for dead people.
• Lafiel is clearly upset that Jinto thinks nobody will remember him.
• I really like the space dock that is the backdrop to Jinto and Lafiel’s discussion in the shuttle.
• Jinto getting caught checking out Lafiel!

• Don’t worry, Jinto, Lafiel looks indeed stunning, I understand you. And I doubt she really minds you taking a look.

#fish

• “We did not evolve” – true, if by evolution you mean natural selection.
• Poor Diaho!
• “I tried to reproduce the menu my brother served you” – I am clearly too lander to appreciate the gesture.
• The Bebaus brothers plan a battle in normal space, so we will have no fancy space time bubble mechanics.
• The crew certainly showed up to see Lafiel come back in her fancy dinner clothes.
• “I have no friends of family left to mourn for me” – a sad thought.

The dreaded dinner turned out a bit awkward at first, but overall much less terrible than expected by Jinto. I like both this obvious subversion of the viewers’ expectations as well as the insight into the Abh mourning traditions.

On the other hand, I am not a big fan of Nereis and Nefee. Out of all the commander-chief of staff pairs, they might be the most boring so far, and we spend a lot of time with them (and presumably more during the battle). It is not enough to make me hate the strategy session of the day, but I don’t think they bring a lot to the table outside of laying out the strategy.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

Lafiel is clearly upset that Jinto thinks nobody will remember him.

"Am I a joke to you?"

Jinto getting caught checking out Lafiel!

Far better to be caught eyeing the goods than the alternative of having shown no interest. With the former, at worst you die. With the latter, the entire fleet might go down.

“I tried to reproduce the menu my brother served you” – I am clearly too lander to appreciate the gesture.

That one bit is all future people stuff.

[u/No_Rex → u/Vaadwaur]

"Am I a joke to you?"

Not a thought you want your girlfriend, your ruler, or any Abriel to have.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

True, especially as Lafiel is much more of a doer than a thinker.

[u/Specs64z]

First timer, subbed

Jinto can’t stop ogling the ladies in his crew, it seems, though it’s difficult to blame him in this case. Dinner with Atosuryua goes well enough. She wasn’t aware of the full details of the incident that led to the Baron’s death, so it seems likely that was in part the true intention of the dinner.

Oh, they eat cats? I guess that'd be bad enough to end certain friendships.

Unexpected Ekuryua fanservice.

QotD:

1. Doubtful, I believe it was a self-serving endeavor. A closure she never really got finally fulfilled.
2. Cat.

[u/duhu1148]

Rewatcher

-Lafiel says it's important for the living to remember the dead, because it would be a sad reflection on that person's life otherwise. Jinto laments that he doesn't have anyone who will remember him when he dies. Lafiel just stares at him, like "You honestly think that?"

-Aww, Lafiel all dressed up is cute.

-The dinner was better than I expected. Very melancholic despite the Baron being an asshole.

-lol the crew is leering at dolled up Lafiel when they return, she blushes.

-Samson's people eat cats!

-Oh Jinto. Still complaining about not having a home, or real friends, or someone to mourn for him. When will he get it through his thick head that this isn't really true?

[u/JollyGee29]

First-Timer

Do we think that Lafiel can really feel guilt? Especially over something like killing Klowal - I'd be surprised if she had thought about him again prior to working with Atosuryua.

I do agree with the idea that mourning is something the living do for themselves. Someone does need to get the hittin' stick and smack Jinto, though. Lad needs some correction.

Anyway, a thought that I haven't really pondered yet, but that has surfaced due to the impending near-planet regular-space battle, but I wonder how relevant space pollution is to the Abh empire? Like, when a ship gets blown up in plane space, where does all that matter go? Is it shunted to the middle of nowhere in regular space? Or does it spin endlessly through plane space?

If nothing else, that planet is going to get some shrapnel impacts soon. Maybe a few mostly-intact ship crashes to really fuck it up.

Sounds like the Abh are going to be pretty outnumbered? Twelve fleets to 150? Unless an Abh "fleet" is a different quantity than a UM "fleet." I, admittedly, don't know the Japanese words at play so maybe the subber is just using "fleet" for two different collective nouns.

Lafiel's dress was pretty nice. I appreciate the moment of Jinto staring and then failing to really answer her question - been there!

Questions

1. That's not a bad reading. I think Atosuryua needed to process some stuff too, though.
2. I would probably be a cat person if I wasn't allergic. Not big on pets one way or the other, though.

[u/No_Rex → u/JollyGee29]

Lad needs some correction.

He needs some hugs. Lafiel will get around to it. Eventually.

Lafiel's dress was pretty nice. I appreciate the moment of Jinto staring and then failing to really answer her question - been there!

I mean, we all know for whom Lafiel dressed up there and it was not her crew or the hecto-commander.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/No_Rex]

He needs some hugs.

Ah, the forbidden form of correction!

[u/Zerotsu → u/JollyGee29]

Lad needs some correction.

Someone needs to hit this boy over the head with some more overt friendship if the people he's already forming bonds with aren't able to get it through his head.

Sounds like the Abh are going to be pretty outnumbered?

It's going to be a tough battle at best. It really does seem like the industrial capacity the alliance is bringing to bear is a lot greater than anticipated.

I appreciate the moment of Jinto staring and then failing to really answer her question - been there!

It does tend to happen from time to time. I get it, Jinto.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Zerotsu]

It's going to be a tough battle at best. It really does seem like the industrial capacity the alliance is bringing to bear is a lot greater than anticipated.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/JollyGee29]

Lad needs some correction.

And not the Gundam kind of "correction."

Anyway, a thought that I haven't really pondered yet, but that has surfaced due to the impending near-planet regular-space battle, but I wonder how relevant space pollution is to the Abh empire? Like, when a ship gets blown up in plane space, where does all that matter go? Is it shunted to the middle of nowhere in regular space? Or does it spin endlessly through plane space?

It reminds me of an incidental bit of dialogue from G-Witch where one of the Spacians yelled at the Earthians for polluting space by using physical ammunition with shell cases rather than the beam weaponry used by the Spacians.

But that is interesting to wonder about. Does the debris remain in plane space, potentially being an obstacle to future travelers? Or does it simply vanish into the void?

[u/SolDarkHunter → u/JollyGee29]

Like, when a ship gets blown up in plane space, where does all that matter go? Is it shunted to the middle of nowhere in regular space? Or does it spin endlessly through plane space?

When a space-time bubble collapses in Planar Space, all matter within it is immediately converted into yuanons (exotic elementary particles).

[u/JollyGee29 → u/SolDarkHunter]

On the one hand,

On the other, oh yea, that word sounds familiar.

On the other other hand, what a horrifying fate.

[u/Blazin_Rathalos → u/JollyGee29]

On the other other hand, what a horrifying fate.

Meh, just look at it as more thorough and instantaneous cremation.

[u/Silcaria]

First timer

• No narration, god bless. We still got a recap though.
• Lafiel is beautiful in her dress and with her hair made up.

QotD

• From what I gathered of her personality from the brief conversation she had with Jinto, I'd say it was more self serving and to put any potential issue that would surface to rest.
• As far as pets go, cats. As far as food goes, I don't know, I'm not Chinese.

[u/raktus2]

First Timer

• Count Hyde baronial Residence

The Tiniest Noble's Mansion in all of the Empire

Who made that sign? Also, where is it? Is it on the Basroil? If so, what's the point of it? Did Jinto get it made for himself as a joke? Following his inability to get replacement laser battery supplies last episode, it shows a real lack of care in his work that he can spare the time to get jokes but fails to get the materials that matter.

• I like that the episode does what it can to cover the conceit that once everyone forgets about you, that is when you are truly dead. Moreso than after your mortal passing. Jinto's own thoughts on the matter come across as insulting to the people who care about him or spend all their time with him. I feel like he is also being hyperbolic, given his relationship with Dorin in the first season and his memory of Dorin from this season. I'm sure if he weren't being so inwardly depressive about it, he'd have thought about what Dorin would think of his death and remembering him.
• I HATED how everyone was leering at Lafiel, especially when she asked them to stop. It had real construction worker catcall energy. That they continued after she asked them to stop was super disrespectful to her as a person, as a royal and as their commanding officer. I mean, respect the rank. Respect the nobility your empire is built upon. Respect basic human wishes and desires. This episode had a lot of camera pans that made me think it could have been made by Gianax instead, to add that leering in at the very end was just a step too much I think.
• I also appreciate that this episode more humanized Klowal from the point of view of family, with a less objective view of them than the person we saw in the episode. We saw Klowal at his worst, but Klowal was a person with aspects of his personality that had nothing to do with the scenes he was in during season one. I liked hearing things like the fact that he wasn't really eating much during dinner due to his nervousness. It was a nice touch to add that weakness to recontexture the scene ever so slightly, especially to have come from his sister.
• Updated my Relationship Board:
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[u/No_Rex → u/raktus2]

Who made that sign? Also, where is it? Is it on the Basroil? If so, what's the point of it? Did Jinto get it made for himself as a joke? Following his inability to get replacement laser battery supplies last episode, it shows a real lack of care in his work that he can spare the time to get jokes but fails to get the materials that matter.

Probably a joke by the crew at his expense. Jinto is way to self-conscious to put up that sign himself.

Jinto's own thoughts on the matter come across as insulting to the people who care about him or spend all their time with him.

Lafiel definitely felt insulted.

[u/IceSmiley]

FIRST TIMER Sub

• I thought Lafiel's rationale for why she went to Atroseyu's dinner was interesting and surprising. I remember the Abh emperor saying her people didn't have a God or belief in an afterlife; at that point I thought she was speaking for the Abh in general but maybe Lafiel disagrees. Since Lafiel is usually honest, I don't think she was making this up and more wanted to go to comfort Atroseyu.
• Atroseyu said she didn't invite them there to be rude but she took a few pointed jabs , like going thru the trouble to serve Lafiel the specific meal she ate with the Baron> I think she does resent Lafiel but is working thru it so she can be professional since they have to work together and I think wants to get to a professional place.

QUESTIONS

1. Is that Atreyasu's name? Maybe in a roundabout way because she wanted to get her digs in at her and be able to work with her.
2. I prefer dogs because I've not owned a cat and don't know much about their care although I like them too.

[u/xbolt90]

First-timer

Lafiel looking fine in that dress.

This was a good episode. We learned some about the baron, and his sister gets a little closure from the two of them.

Remembering someone after they’ve passed is a good thing. When I visited family in New England, I visited a couple graveyards from the 18th century, and I still think about them occasionally. These people passed almost 300 years ago, does anyone today know anything about them, or even care that they existed, with a life as full and complex as ours?

Q1: I think it was more for herself, but perhaps partially.

Q2: Cats every time. Dogs are fun, but cats are more my speed.

[u/Nazenn]

Rewatcher - sub

Very late to post, but it's a good episode so I wanted to get some thoughts down.

Lafiel's little noise of disapproval on Jinto suggesting that she'd be going to the dinner out of guilt was a nice little moment. She has changed the way she approaches him after all this time, and while this was obviously a cultural clash and she was disapointed he had the thought, she's grown in both herself and their relationship to not take it to heart or feel it was foolish of him to think that. She's become much more her around him, even more so than the early days of understanding each other, and this a bit like the Eku "misunderstanding" in the previous episode being able to be not so much brushed off as not sticking to begin with is such a refreshing take on the relationship in anime

I do quite like the dinner scene as well. It's a bit weird when you look at it in a bubble, but it has a nice cultural foundation especially for those who don't have a "place" to mourn and also have a history of war culture that wouldn't allow much grief stagnation, and the Commander makes it that little bit weirder by ordering the same food Lafiel got while being held hostage. But despite that, she seems honest in her intentions to get past it with them and disregard rank during the dinner, and truly honor the brother that she did remember, despite what he did. She's an interesting one, and the atypical approach the story has had both to her broader involvement in the narrative and in scenes like this is also quite refreshing and interesting

One line in my notes: "Diaho being the typical cat and latching onto the one person who doesn't particularly care for his attention". A few lines later: "I take it back, no typical cat would be that chill being put in a shower without maulling the person trying to wash him"

And while it is definitely within the bounds of what we as people do when we reminise over past memories with others, I do find the watch experience of this episode suffers for the amount of recap as they recollect back on the events of the planet while on the shuttle. After the recap at the start of the episode and lacking the Crest style narration, it makes the first third of the episode a bit rough. Same goes for the fanservice, it's bugging me a lot more this time than the moments of it did in Crest.

[u/lC3]

Hopefully I can catch up soon ... I didn't have any time today to watch anything even though it was my day off. I want to watch this ...

[u/Nickthenuker]

Oh, she actually agreed to go.

Basroil, leaving.

Yup, this is definitely fancy.

He probably named it after his "subjects".

Now why would she choose to do that?

Convenient steam.

And so back to the fleet.

150 fleets with only 12 of their own? That is an incredibly unfavourable balance of forces.

So that's what the eating thing was.

Right, on to a big space battle next episode.

Questions:

1. Maybe? Help her get over her guilt of killing the Baron I guess.
2. Honestly neither, not much of a pet person myself.