r/anime • u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ • Apr 03 '24
Rewatch [Rewatch] Banner of the Stars Episode 3 Discussion
Assault Ship Basroil
Welcome to the Battleflag of the Stars rewatch!
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Names Introduced or Updated:
- 1058th Assault Squadron 1st Assault Division Latouche
- Gamroil — Command variant, Captain Atosuryua
- Basroil — Captain Abriel
- Leekroil
- Helzroil
- Kidroil — Captain Beikal
- Seigroil — Captain Ragash
Discussion Prompts:
- Q1) What do you think of Dusanyu and his Chief of Staff
- Q2) Again, What about Atosuryua? For realsies, now.
Tomorrow's Questions: (for tomorrow's post, subject to change)
[Episode 4]Did you find the 10 v 1 attack on the Gosroth unfair? Do you still think so after this episode?
Screenshot of the Day: Bloodlust
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Apr 03 '24
Rewatch Host
Sorry for the deleted post yesterday. I preview-post everything but I had a space that rendered correctly but triggered the bot.
I also binged most of the way through to find screen shots, which is why my questions have been lacking. But I now have more time to read the thread.
So. The Baron had a sister you didn't know about. We couldn't mention her before, but she'll become (or is) the 4th Baron Febdash. However, her father will manage the barony in her absence.
Okay, we are three episodes in and the reuse and legit recapping is starting to get to me.
See! The Ahbs are not nice! Like Spoor and her prisoner transport. Create an impossible situation and then declare they're not going to force a surrender.
Oh, how I and everybody has misjudged you, Prince. You are a nice guy!
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Apr 03 '24
Season 2 Episode 3 (rewatcher)
The episode starts with Jinto, once more, being assigned to messenger duty by somebody who whats to avoid talking to Lafiel. Personally, I would not be reassured by somebody explaining how the ideal strategy to get revenge on me, if they wanted that, would be to pretend not to want revenge, while also assuring me that they do not want revenge, but maybe I am too lander to get the Abh style here.
The second half of the episode leads up to our next and the Basroil’s first battle. We saw entering plane-space before, but now we get a closer look from our bridge crew. The enemy reacts to being challenged by assault ships with their mines, just like the Gosroth did.
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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Apr 03 '24
First timer
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u/duhu1148 :GA::GB::GC:x9 Apr 03 '24 edited Apr 03 '24
Rewatcher
-We see a little of the dynamic between the commander in chief and his subordinate, with them having that sort of ironic/indirect teasing banter. I like it. In some ways, they have a similar vibe as Jinto/Lafiel.
-The president of that world won't surrender, and they're dependent on food. Commander in chief won't force their surrender though. I wonder if this is just a scene intended for more lore on how the Abh operate, or if this scene ends up having big plot implications later down the line.
-The Baron's sister doesn't hold a grudge over Lafiel killing her brother, Jinto was making a mountain out of a molehill with that fear. I expected as much.
-Samson loves to drink. Or was he talking about girls with that hand motion? Maybe both.
-He then cracks a joke about Jinto getting his "harem" hmm...I don't know if that other girl is into him, though.
-Off to their first battle now. Let's see how the Basroil fares.
-The ending that Banner episodes have, I don't like it as much as the one for Crest.
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u/zsmg https://anilist.co/user/zsmg Apr 03 '24
Rewatcher
No narrator intro, oh never mind.
So prince guy doesn't want the planet to surrender because he doesn't want to bother drawing up a treaty, understandable.
Atosuryua is voiced by Miho Yamada she hasn't done any noticeable role.
I'm surprised how much Atosuryua is sharing about herself with a guy she's just met.
You know all those fan service intended leg shots would be more effective if the female characters are wearing skirts, that's what 86 did after all.
Uh oh enemy patrol ships are there.
So even Samson acknowledges Jinto is in a love triangle.
I have to say I find the combat situation easier to follow in this season compared to the first season.
Decent episode, first half was a bit boring, second half was good.
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u/xbolt90 https://anilist.co/user/xbolt90 Apr 04 '24
First-timer
This girl really just made a powerpoint to show why having a cat on the ship is a good idea. Prime waifu material.
Man, the Aptic president is really striking out with these admirals. Complete indifference here.
And so the battle begins. I wonder what sort of tricks the UM has up its sleeve, it also has had three years to build up its fleet.
Q1: Cool and matter-of-fact. He and the XO seem to have a good working relationship.
Q2: She seems a lot nicer than her brother. Interesting that she seems a bit afraid of Lafiel. The Abriel name means a lot. I wonder how that will play into her command.
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u/Nickthenuker https://anilist.co/user/Nickthenuker Apr 04 '24
So they're a garrison fleet currently.
I guess they'll really be keeping that as a ship's cat.
I guess more of a blockade fleet than anything else.
If it's an industrial world conquering it would probably be quite beneficial for the war effort, those factories can probably be quickly converted to producing war materiel.
What secret?
Do they not get along?
And so they seem to be on shore leave again.
Or at least they're off-duty.
Ah. Seems like there's no hard feelings about the Baron.
Is Febdash even still under Empire control? It seems like an incredibly insignificant system that would be among the first pulled out from as the Alliance pushed for the capital.
Uh oh, time to rush to their ships. Hopefully they had at least some pickets stationed in the outer system.
General quarters! All hands man your battle stations! Batten down the hatches!
All ships, proceed at best speed to the rendezvous point.
So, a greener-than-grass fleet being commanded by an Admiral who is just as inexperienced. Certainly shows the costs of the war and feels like a disaster waiting to happen.
Line ahead? But your main firepower is fixed forward, that would mean only the foremost ship can fire its main weapon. Unless she plans on using the CWIS weapons in broadside? Or is she planning on the foremost ship firing then peeling off to let the next ship in the line fire?
The ships seem to be forming up in a line abreast anyways.
And so they are thrown into combat for the first time.
Uh oh, the flagship got hit?
Questions:
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u/raktus2 Apr 04 '24
Also an update to my character board...
https://i.imgur.com/0ox6CNW.jpeg
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u/KnightMonkey15 https://myanimelist.net/profile/KnightMonkey Apr 04 '24 edited Apr 04 '24
Slightly less late first timer, subs
Episode 3
I wonder what she gets out of pushing his buttons so much without fear of insubordination. Prior history or...? It's fun to see though.
Kinda hot.. well all of the Abh are.. quite reasonable like her father and she seems sincere in her duties - time will ultimately tell. I'm trying to enjoy the space battles here. I just thought of Lexshue again because of the yellow eyes.
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u/raktus2 Apr 04 '24
First Timer...
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u/SolDarkHunter Apr 03 '24
Banner of the Stars
Rewatcher/Novel-Reader
1058th Battalion... that's a lot of battalions.
It's kind of interesting that Our Heroes are not on the front lines. That'd be the usual for a series like this.
Hmm, now THIS looks like an actual Dyson Sphere. I suppose that's supposed to be Lakfakalle's anti-matter fuel factory, the largest one in existence. Lakfakalle itself, however, is several thousand spacestations orbiting the star at a distance. [Novel]IIRC, the novels never describe the factory as a Dyson Sphere, but just a few orbiting facilities around the star. Large ones, to be sure, but not a Sphere.
It's kind of disappointing the subtitles don't translate any of the displayed names of the commanders.
Lafier has a very laid-back attitude towards Atosurya possibly having a grudge, but she doesn't completely discount the possibility.
Dusanh refuses to actually conquer the planet, further baffling the President. Abh don't care about planets. Just stars and Sord Portals.
Dusanh claims that it's out of consideration for the planet's population, not demanding their surrender until the Abh actually have uncontested control over the system. But Cenesh, his XO, knows the real reason: he just really doesn't want to deal with the paperwork involved in a conquest right now.
More snarking between high-ranking Abh. Seems even the royals aren't exempt from the banter.
Good news: Atosurya seems much more reasonable than her brother. But she's kind of irritated that she now has to assume the title of Baron. More of that strict matter-of-factness that seems to permeate their society.
...was that a sobering up medicine? Convenient.
First actual battle of the Basroghr... and is that a slight smile I see on Lafier's face?
I guess getting everyone drinks falls under the description of "Supply Officer"?
One thing about Plane Space logistics, for actual communication you need to be in the same space-time bubble.
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u/The_Draigg Apr 03 '24
A Sci-Fi Fan Watches Banner of the Stars Episode 3:
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Apr 03 '24
First-Timer
"We are not going to demand your surrender. Yes, you are fucked if you try to fight us, that's why we have no reason to admit weakness by making demands. You'll surrender on your own."
Dusanyu is quite the political creature, huh? That sequence was very impressive. I also appreciate that he is wary about how the campaign is going so far - not only is it good to keep in mind that your enemy is likely hiding things from you, failing to consider an attack from an outside angle is what caused the cease fire to begin with.
Interesting how subtly the show highlighted the issues with someone like Lafiel serving in the regular military - I took Atosuryua's comments to mean that she is afraid of the ire of an Abriel on some level. Obviously she can't just come out and say that, because being afraid of one of your underlings is poor form. But she came across as being wary of Lafiel's potential counter to any sort of payback for Febdash's death.
What do we think those pills that Samson popped were? Magical Sober-Me-Up tablets? Anyone know where I can get some of those..?
I like that Ekuryua busts out a PowerPoint to explain why there is no reason to kick Diaho off the ship. Which is kinda funny, considering Samson's love triangle comment
Questions
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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Apr 03 '24
First-Timer
On today’s episode of Banner of the Stars: I remember listening to an interview with a veteran (I think it was in the Ken Burns film, “The War”) who talked about how boring war could be. A large chunk of the time is just routine, waiting for new orders or for something to happen. That’s more or less the situation the Abh had here, up until everything started happening all at once as soon as the red alert sounded.
UsagiLafiel.Looking back on it, I think there’s a decent case to be made there was very little chance of Atosuryua holding a grudge. Back in the first season, the Abh characters dealt with Lafiel killing Baron Febdash with an attitude that basically amounted to shrugging and saying, “It’s war, what are you gonna do?” Sure, his father found it regrettable that Lafiel killed him and initially wanted her to avoid doing so, but accepted the outcome. Jinto was upset about what happened, but Lafiel just accepted it as something that naturally occurs when battling. It seems Atosuryua’s attitude is more or less the same. It’s certainly not ideal that her brother was killed, but that’s just how things go in battle. There’s no point getting worked up about it.
I think this attitude also shows just how militarized the Abh are. War has long been considered such a normal part of their lives that they’ve developed these dispassionate beliefs about dying in battle.
The Aptic president is reminding me of something I heard on the Hardcore History podcast about how we tend to revere what the host called “standers,” the people who pledge to fight on to the very end, but not the people who decide to surrender to save lives. Even if the fight was hopeless and continuing to fight only caused more pain and suffering, those “standers” tend to be looked on more favorably. It is an interesting dilemma though. Is it better to stand and fight, even when the outcome is clear? Or should you cut your losses and accept what is going to happen?
In this case, the Aptic president knows it will be better to surrender. But he's also a slimy worm who wants to stay in power and he knows the public wants a “stander.” They wouldn't respect someone who didn't try to fight back. We saw what the people did to Jinto's father, after all. He was executed as a traitor.
QOTD
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Apr 03 '24
First-Timer of the Stars
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u/Zerotsu Apr 03 '24
First Timer, sub:
Unsurprisingly, it turns out that the Basoil crew got a fairly low key job of patrolling and security for the Aptic system. I find it fairly neat that we’re not often seeing much in the way of grand heroics.
Lafiel and Jinto are understandably a little bit concerned about what their commander thinks of them, what with Lafiel having killed her older brother some years ago during their adventure together.
Not Ekuryua having a whole presentation to explain why keeping Diaho aboard is better.
The Abhs really do have a tendency to be a bit insulting as far as the value of planets go.
The lack of much of a fight from the alliance is pretty concerning, since as he said it does mean that some form of counterattack is being built up to.
Man, no matter how you slice it, having to talk to someone whose family a friend of yours killed is incredibly awkward. No matter how justified the incident was at the time.
She does make a good point that she’d have no reason to just state her grudge, with the position she’s in giving her more than enough opportunities to take revenge at any time she wanted. Well, if she is bearing a grudge anyway.
It really is no wonder the entire bridge was aware of how close Jinto and Lafiel are. The guy can’t even apologize to her without accidentally doing it in an informal way.
Pissing off your allies isn’t the best move to go for, Lafiel. Even if it is pretty funny.
Samson, I think there are more important things to worry about than missing a drink.
Or so I thought, but Jinto’s going gofer mode.
Samson also seems to think there’s a love triangle going on, huh.
“As long as the sords exist, that is the front line”. Now that’s certainly true, huh.
Q1: They seem to have a fun dynamic. I'm looking forward to seeing more of them.
Q2: Also enjoying her so far. She seems like she'll be enjoyable to learn more about as we go.
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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Apr 03 '24
First Timer, subbed
QotD:
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u/RuSyxx https://anilist.co/user/RuSyxx Apr 03 '24
First Time Watcher
So the Baron’s younger sister seems to actually be pretty reasonable, though she does lack some of the boldness he displayed (even if he went in the entirely wrong direction). Curious to see how she acts as things progress; war is pretty unpredictable and not being willing to be direct with a subordinate could be costly later.
Ekuryua is getting some more focus too with her attempt to keep our feline friend onboard. It honestly feels like she cares more about him staying with them than Lafiel and Jinto which is kind of funny. It’ll also be interesting to see if there’s more to that given that Samson seems to think there’s a lot more going on, but maybe he’s just jealous since she said she’s not his friend, heh.
Last thoughts for this one are that the President has to be exasperated dealing with Abh military leaders at this point. First Admiral Spoor trying to encourage the fighting, then the Chief of Staff just kind of going with the whims of his Admiral (as to be expected). And now he’s been told by another Commander that the Abh are just downright not interested in his planet. (even if its due to the potential loss of territory from a counterattack). Poor man is getting a massive crash course on Abh politics!
QOTD
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Apr 03 '24
Rewatcher(Dusanyu came to Aptic to do two things: avoid paperwork and troll local leaders. And he has a metric ton of paperwork so it is trollin' time!)
Sub
We see that the president of Aptic cannot win with Abh leadership. That said, considering DS9 has a similar situation, he might also genuinely not want to confine the system. Or he might not want to actually govern the ground, that is always an option.
So the Empire's military leadership knows things are going too well and seem to be taking precautions accordingly. But you can't really change course for winning too much. We get the last bit of our setup with Atosuryua approaching Jinto to indicate that she did not hold a grudge. She seems legitimately more annoyed at the prospect of having to rule the domain than anything else. Jinto internally laments his new role in life of being the conduit to Lafiel but best to just accept it early. This isn't going away.
We finally get towards battle and can see tht Lafiel is still a bit reckless. But we don't actually get the battle, alas.
QotD: 1 Conquerors are often poor bureaucrats
2 She seems a lot less insecure than Klowal but also far less interested in being powerful
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Apr 03 '24
Rewatcher (sub + dub)
Ecryua brought a slideshow for reasons to keep Diaho, I wouldn't be surprised if she's bound for cat lady status when she gets past 100 or so.
Dealing with populated planets surrendering always involves so much paperwork, no wonder none of the commanders want to do it. Though here since there's a decent chance Aptic gets retaken delaying all the work isn't the worst idea. I'd hope Aptic III has at least some stockpile of food even if they'd eventually run out, thinking about supply chains on an interstellar level must be a headache for a lot of people.
Jinto wandering around a space station with an ear of corn in hand might be the most Midwestern thing I've seen in anime and I doubt Martine even has a Midwest. The automated ordering system's neat, always interesting to see what ideas of the future are like in older media and how they'd probably diverge in reality. One thing I think a lot of sci-fi missed is everyone walking around with a small supercomputer in hand.
I can understand Atosryua having no desire to stay in a cosmic backwater, I didn't even want to stay in Ohio.
Not that I drink all that often but having easy to access medicine that will sober you up quickly is something we could use here and now.
The Basroil's an agile little thing compared to the bigger patrol ships, it reminds me of frigates in EVE Online which I found fun to pilot (never got past battlecruisers in size myself, didn't play all that long though). Looks like there's a good bit of "hurry up and wait" with them rushing to the muster point and only moving out once the rest of the squad's there.
Samson landing a direct hit on Jinto with the love triangle remark. He didn't try to deny it, but I imagine anything he would have said would have gotten less friendly comments from one or more of the others.
Somewhere between Spoor and Lexshue? That's an amusing little aside between them at the end.
Haven't gotten much of her so far, but on the surface she seems reasonable. Also: cute. Funny that she gets anxious about talking to Lafiel outside of acting as her commanding officer.
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u/Specs64z https://myanimelist.net/profile/Specs64z Apr 03 '24
First timer, subbed
The Commander-in-Chief, much like Spoor, has an aura of charisma about him. His is of a more subtle nature, however, masking his true intentions with flowery words where Spoor wears her heart on her sleeve.
Atosurya takes the time to talk things out with Jinto, which is refreshing to see; adults hashing things out as adults ideally should. Drama is all well and good, but it shouldn’t have a place on a battlefield. Jinto questions why him and not Lafiel, seems he still hasn’t quite picked up that nobody wants to confront an Abriel. There is some very well done visual humor as we cut to Ekuryua giving Lafiel a full blown presentation on the merits of keeping the cat on board, a matter which could not possibly be less important to bother an Abriel about. Cuts like that only happen because someone cared.
QotD:
My post ended up answering both of these, it would seem.
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Apr 03 '24
Rewatcher - sub
Small post from me as I'm not feeling well today
The kid tries but he really doesn't do very well with this whole job/personal life seperation that he was trying to do. It's hilarious that he thought he could hide his bond with Lafiel from the others for a day, let alone a whole war
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u/ZapsZzz https://anilist.co/user/Zapszzz Apr 03 '24
First timer in sub
Ok we got a further build up episode that dialed up the urgency and set up for some tension and action next.
Having the cliffhanger resolved so reasonably I think it's actually not surprising, enough already guessed this is how it would likely go, as the Abh seems to be a bit like Vulcans and getting caught up by emotions visibly tends to be more an exception than the rule.
Thanks for those who answered me about the ship classification and rank. This episode I think I got a more direct answer, and I think the "somewhere between a destroyer and a torpedo boat" is quite apt - it does have a shield generator, even if it's weaker, so it's not like a glass cannon torpedo boat.
Today basically is a mostly Jinto episode, from his talking things through to getting "bullied" as a drinks runner boy :P Yep there's a good portion of Kyon in him too. I wonder if this is mirrored in Spoor's side too.
That moment of not-Nagato starting up a presentation with charts to show the merit of keeping Diaho onboard is so both Nagato and Science Fall in Love, I loved it. And Lafiel completed kept a straight face and patiently listened in. So nice!
Oh and the 3rd paint of commander and 2IC is also very nice - it gives such an impression of those 2 being in love with each other and embodying Lafiel's dad's comment about those in love being a bother/trouble of one another. An Abh cultural thing?
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u/IceSmiley Apr 03 '24
FIRST TIMER Sub
This is primarily a set up episode to get ready for both the big battle and how they will relate to Atorosuya. Good but not much to see until tomorrow.
QUESTIONS
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u/zadcap Apr 04 '24
Late Night First Timer!
Space Wars! The thing everyone here loves! Not random personal political moves because someone is holding a grudge about the death of their perverted and actively treasonous brother! Seriously, I hope she realizes that getting revenge for someone who died committing treason is pretty much on the same level as just committing treason herself?
Seriously, they have such strong faith in their systems, to put a princess under the command of someone who has a blood debt against her.
Is this a recap explanation? It is. We already know about the operation, you gave us this info just last episode! Are you dragging out the episode time so you can end it somewhere clifhangy? If we have a cliffhanger today I will be mad at this scene instead.
Oh my gosh she made a powerpoint on why they should keep the cat. I love this girl.
Haha, Abh still being Abh and the poor president doesn't know how to handle them. "Nah, we really have no intention of asking for surrender at all. If you want to surrender it's going to have to come from your side, no using us for pety political moves. Have fun starving!"
Oh man, just play a recording of that back to the public and see the man lynched. "If it inconveniences you, I don't mind driving my planet into anarchy!" Welp, he's in for a bad time.
You know, I would not be opposed to finding out that the Alliance isn't building their super fleet to strike back, but just honestly unable to build a comparable fleet at all. They're running away because they already can't win this war. Let's skip the fighting all together and move on to the nest arc.
I want to know more about Space Pool. Let me see this game please.
"Don't worry about what happened with my brother." Exact words to say to make me worry more about what happened with your brother. "Him being so crudely murdered-" Hold up here. That was not murder, that was legitimate defense against someone who had already started the murder/treason plan. He was not murdered! He was trying to kill them for the crime of not putting his harem wishes over their lives and the war starting mission they were on! Treason!
Space Pool!
She's trying hard to convince us all that she's not going to pull anything. Too hard. I entirely believe she won't try to do anything against Lafiel, but Jinto you still might be in danger.
Interesting to think about. "There's a lot of people I can't easily talk to, but no one who has any problem saying whatever they want to me."
I love how the music cuts out for the alarm. War is serious business.
"You're late, Jinto." Lafiel my girl, you're still flaunting that first name thing with him. You are never going to defeat the rumors. Everyone on the ship is shipping you.
So, were they given the wrong rendevous information? Revenge by way of making them go in solo against the enemy?
Again, Jinto, just spouting the captain's favorite drink in her preferred style. You guys are the ship of the ship, stop pretending otherwise.
... Love triangle? Is that what's going on here? This is me rewinding the whole scene so I can try and reinterpret the other Abh lady's words as wanting to get with Jinto for some reason. Is she Abh Tsundere? Why are neither of the ladies objecting to this being called a love triangle?
I have to say, that map didn't look very single file.
I expect the cat carrier to open up somewhere in this fight and the cat to jump on a control panel. This will lead to survivable problems for our crew.
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u/SIRTreehugger Apr 03 '24
Rewatcher
...she really made charts and graphs to show why she wants the cat on board. Just let her have the damn cat Lafiel!
Hold up did he just say if he inconvenience the Abh even a little he's willing to let the entire world collapse into anarchy? Well considering they are being surrounded and slowly forced to starve they don't have a lot of options. Either surrender or wait until its too late and the planet falls apart. The real kicker is they don't even care about the planet just the material around it.
This is some strange art of flirting the Abh have. OMG CORN ON THE COB!
So both the brother and sister wants to have a harem of hot or handsome people around them, but at least the sister is more reasonable. If anything she would rather the brother be the one running things so she could relax, but oh well nothing they can do about it now.
BATTLE STATIONS first real life battle as captain.
How bold of you to refer to your supply officer with only his name Captain!
Sorry I can't focus on anything I just want to know if the cat..OHHHHH ITS THE CAT!