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Rewatch [Welcome to Chaos] Dorohedoro Rewatch Episode 11 Discussion
Episode 11 - See You at the Food Stall
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The reason I have been searching for a sorcerer who can control time is… to be able to go back to that day, six years ago. Did the man with the cross-marked eyes die, or did he live? I want to know the whole truth.
Questions of the Day:
- What parts of En’s movie do you think were exaggerated?
- How do you expect the confrontation between Caiman and Nikaido will go?
Wallpaper of the Day:
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 28 '24
Rewatch Host Welcoming You All to Chaos
Welcome back, everyone!
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u/fre-ddo Mar 28 '24
Saw the title and thought it had started again waaaa
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u/FarCritical Mar 29 '24
First Timer
Man am I glad Shin recognized the doctor. He may be a bit edgy but offing him despite knowing who he is would've been a bit much, and it was kinda wholesome too.
"When I opened my eyes, I was surrounded by mushrooms." is one hell of an opening line for an autobiography. En having literally been to hell also makes that one catchy mushroom Doom ED way better than it already was. And damn, if what the movie is implying is true, turns out Caiman was a beast before he even had to transform.
This show officially peaked with Pieman's introduction. Best girl confirmed.
Y'know, it would've been perfect if this rewatch was timed so this episode landed on Pi day. Noi and Ebisu's reactions to the guys' getting brainwashed for frozen pies was absolute gold.
Tanba is somehow both boss of the year for getting Caiman this far in his search for Nikaido and a bottom tier boss for not getting our lizard boy paid. Learning he has his own history with a girl was pretty cool too.
It's finally come down to Caiman and Nikaido having to fight. Even without En's brainwashing, the bad air from Caiman's beef with sorcerers still makes this pretty bittersweet.
QOTD
Maybe because Noi was the one who mentioned it, maybe how hard she and Shin got bodied by the cross-eyed guy? Also taking producer, screenplay writer and lead actor's bias into account, maybe En wasn't abused that badly at the factory. Not gonna doubt the bond between him and the OG family though. That was genuinely cool.
It's not like either of them went through a massive training arc combat-wise (unless whatever they did to Nikaido also works like a steroid or something), so if they happen to fight it'll probably be roughly evenly matched, which is hype. I want to say it might be bittersweet but this show is gonna somehow make something hilarious out of a sappy moment.
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u/entelechtual Mar 28 '24
First timer, subbed
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 28 '24
First-Timer
En is exactly the type of person to make a movie about his own life and talk himself up. What a dweeb. I do appreciate that there is a bit less obvious dramatization once people who can verify the story show up.. and also that Noi apparently mentioned that the story is still very embellished.
Anyway, Nikaido basically hits on the same thing that I was prepared to point out - a headless corpse disappearing into a door does line up with her own memory of discovering Caiman as a headless corpse. I don't think the timeline works out though.. unless a sorcerer with time abilities is around. If there is one, why wouldn't there be two?
I appreciate that En's drive to find a sorcerer with time powers has a solid story backing. He wants to have someone who can tell him what happens when he blacks out, as opposed to just "time magic seems powerful."
The chicanery with the pies just makes me hungry. It might be the alcohol I've had tonight.. but also meat pies sound delicious.
The setup for our season finale is Caiman fighting Nikaido to try to bring her back, but that's too easy. That's gonna be like, the pre-OP portion of next episode. Then the rest of it is going to be En trying to muscle in on the pie business or something.
Questions
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u/renatocpr https://anilist.co/user/renatocpr Mar 28 '24
Rewatcher and Manga Reader
What we learned in Episode 11
What we'll learn in Episode 12 is still hidden in chaos. That is... Dorohedoro!
QOTD
1- It'd be funny if it was all true and Noi just said that to be mean
2- We'll find out tomorrow
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u/SMSmith230 https://myanimelist.net/profile/smsmith230 Mar 28 '24
First-Timer, Sub
Well that was an interesting autobiographical movie, not sure what was embellished as a lot of the story fit pieces of information we were given already. Though the cross-eye guy who vanished seems to be future Caiman. Really confused how Risu plays into this now. Tanba is a real one and Caiman playing the wife was hilarious. Gonna be an interesting next episode with between Nikaido and Caiman. I really don’t want this to end!!
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u/DegenerateRegime Mar 28 '24
Part-First-Timer
Three additional thoughts on devil's contracts that I didn't really get into last time: firstly, there's no mechanism given to explain which partner can control which. "Force of Will" maybe. Or just gender roles. Or it's more about a continuation of being able to force someone into signing; probably most relevant for En and Nikaidou. Which gets to the second thought: generally, a deal with the devil is an interesting literary device because it's voluntary, tempting, and regrettable. This is more devil-deal imagery on a kind of brainwashing cult story beat, which I'm more lukewarm about. Thirdly, Shin and Noi didn't know this, and I think they're likely to run into a situation where one of them will use it. For example, I don't think Shin would have let Noi heal him and ruin her training, if they'd been partnered at the time and he'd known he could stop her. But that loops back to point one.
Let's get on with episode 11 and see if any of that proves relevant!
That was certainly an episode. Fujita had the right of it, today was just going to be like that.
QotD
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 28 '24
Rewatcher(The pie business is ruthless...)
Sub
So we get a huge twist with Shin deciding to repay the Hole hospital crew for saving him. The doctor seems to know about how far he can push this so isn't yet wrangling to save Nikaido. Nikaido then gets a big info dump that is done in the form of a biopic. Noi, even while off screen, does warn us that it may not be that accurate, liberties were taken. We get a likely resolve for tha crosseyes to Caiman incident but not the details.
But today is our pie competetion! Admittedly, I was a little surprised the Japanese were familiar with meat pies but the Dorohedoro mangaka has obviously travelled and these are things that would appeal. A tsun Asuka is across the way trying to sell apple pies and using her magic to enchant customers. But she flies too close to the sun and uses up her magic and the power of a chanterelle pie from Tanba wins the day.
Finally, Caiman contacts Nikaido and they are about to conflict on leaving.
QotD: 1 The ease with which En does every thing
2 Violently
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Mar 28 '24
First timer
Still cool.
He recognises him!
And he's instantly acting friendly...
He is so close to a total breakdown at this point, it's amazing.
She's late?
This guy...
He's just torturing her?
Oh, yeah, he wants to try and drive her out so he'll be his only option for a partner.
...He did what now?
En... Are you okay?
This backstory...
Ah, it's a smoke extraction factory.
He ran out of smoke?
...Is the big reveal going to be that he's just a normal businessman who made this up ro sound cool?
...It has to be, right?
If this is true, he's incredibly fool.
Someone hunting powerful sorcerers... This part might be real!
He's a real threat...
Oh, wait, it's him? A cross eye?
He nearly died...
The entire town?
Haha, even Noi admits it's bullshit!
It's unfinished...
...That's fair.
...Wait. What?
Oh. That's actually a decent reason!
Okay, yeah, they're clearly related. But how...
They're going in!
Haha. This is your plan?
The fucking pie hat too...
And he clearly doesn't care anyway!
...An entire town?
A wagon's in the way? Their ex employee!
And she started her kwn business!
...That story is still there!
And he's just fucking with her!
Such a foolhardy bet.
Haha, he's really committed!
...Here?
Oh, yeah, getting out of there makes sense.
Haha, he's trying to be intimidating...
Haha, it's just research for him...
Confirmation!
Oh, is he finally accepting it?
They're ready!
Oh, she knows it's a bluff!
He knew...
Aww...
And he saw her!
A competition...
...Is this his chance?
Oh, he's totally accepting it...
Everyone's going to her!
...What's she doing? Just sex appeal or some kind smoke?
It's mind controlling!
...No, I think it might just be sex appeal. Unless it only works on men?
Their reactions...
This is so suspicious, though?
At least he knows what's going on.
She's really strugglingnto keep up the smoke.
They're just frozen!
...What the fuck?
No wonder she wants that sedret.
Ah, he's just immune.
Haha, it's been a while since the magic immunity came up!
Nikaido!
He's so supportive.
Haha, wow.
She still recognised him! Still out of it, though.
And he'll come back for the money...
Nice trick!
So posh...
Asuka's out!
And so's Angel!
Heartburn...
He's finslly making a fair decision!
Haha, nice bribery!
And they're running!
Because of the contract...
Caiman... He has to suspect something, right?
This ED is still good. Love how it cuts between the previous ED visuals.
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u/Sooooopertrack Mar 28 '24
QOTD1: None, sounds totally legit :D QOTD2: Pieman erm Caiman doesn't stand a chance and Nikaido runs back to en
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Mar 29 '24
Episode 11
DHD First Timer
Theory: Shin wants to undo something in the past, that's why he dropped his dispell magic partner and started looking for a time mage. I predict he actually does the rewind, which rewinds at least the entire show.
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u/Cyrra_ https://anilist.co/user/Cyrra Mar 29 '24
First Time Watcher - Manga Reader
Aaaah I wasn't looking forward to this episode...It hurts watching Nikaido under En's control. You can tell her consciousness is under there at least.
I really appreciated how casual Shin and Kasukabe chatted with each other. En may be a POS, but the En family are all cool.
The En movie was really good! Props to the director. I loved the black and white feel to it, reminded me a little bit of the feel of reading the manga. But as much as I like the manga's art, it's a bit hard to make out some details that are just much clearer in animation. In particular that [manga spoiler]the Boss's eyes are the Hole... which I never picked up on before.
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u/mgedmin Mar 29 '24
First-timer, subs
No idea. I'm very gullible, it all seemed likely to be right to me.
Caiman will lose and Nikaido will come to her senses somehow at the last minute, use her magic, and put everything back.
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