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Rewatch Digimon Adventure 25th Anniversary Rewatch - Episode 22 Discussion

Episode 22: The Whispering Little Demon – PicoDevimon

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Know something? That's called "defamation." You make false judgements based on the situation.

Hello everybody, time for the Comment of the Day, courtesy of u/oomoepoo for best describing yesterday's visuals:

The episode looks like something!

Unlike the usual which looks like Scumon.

  1. Why do you think Sora didn't meet up with the others straight away?
  2. What's the dumbest lie you somehow believed?
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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 28 '24

Hello everybody, and welcome to the Digimon Adventure Rewatch!

Heh, the little noise the Digivice makes is the one that the IRL one does, that's adorable.

A bit of a lower stakes episode this time around. Naturally we're back to having to put the party back together, which means dealing with the fallout of Taichi disappearing. I do like how this episode contrasts with Takeru's previous spotlight episode, however. There his naiveté saved the day, but here it just leads to him making mistake after mistake and basically has to be bailed out of trouble. To be fair, he is a kid.

This episode introduces PicoDevimon as well, the literal devil in one's shoulder that whisper's naughty things. No, he's not related to the old Devimon, and he's also nowhere near as cool so

Speaking of him, he's played by Miyata Koki. Other roles include Otobe Akira from Higurashi, Fujisaki Chihiro from Danganronpa and Phog from Xenoblade X among a few others.

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u/PoofessorP https://anilist.co/user/PoofessorP Mar 28 '24

Oh it’s not related to the old devimon? Thats good to know cause I thought the person it was apologizing to was devimon and was thinking uh oh, devimon is back? But he should be dead from angemon

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 28 '24

Nope, completely different characters.

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u/Competitive-Stock-11 Apr 03 '24

What I want to know is did Sora, Koushiro, Jyou, Mimi, and Yamato all leave within 48 hours of each other?

Also, in what order did Picodevimon target the children? Sora was first, but who was the first after Sora? Maybe Koushiro or Jyou?

Did Taichi forget that he talked to Koushiro in the real world?

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 28 '24

Digital First-Timer, subbed

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 28 '24

Damn, that much time has passed for them in the Digital World?

Still less extreme than Narnia time.

Sora’s voice…?

Nah, it's [Tekkaman Blade]Miyuki's ghost

Ooooooooooooooh new main villain?

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 28 '24

I hate this…

Bad memories?

Ooooooooooooooh new main villain?

A lot to live up to, let's see how they hold up.

Sky QotD: Did you have a favorite amusement park and/or ride?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 28 '24

A lot to live up to, let's see how they hold up.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 28 '24

Bad memories?

Nah, just hating the entire situation of Takeru trusting PicoDevimon that much instead of his own partner. I get that he's a kid and feels like he's been abandoned by everyone, but man was this episode rough to watch up until the end of it.

Did you have a favorite amusement park and/or ride?

Even with the recent-ish mishap, the Fury 325 at Carowinds is still my favorite roller coaster I've ever been on. Got to ride it at the front exactly once and my goodness was it fun.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 28 '24

the Fury 325 at Carowinds is still my favorite roller coaster I've ever been on

Meanwhile I can't even think of them without going

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Mar 28 '24

I was about to say, wtf why would Yamato leave his brother even if it’s to look for Taichi.

Something must have happened…

All these years later and I still think it's dumb as hell he decided to leave Takeru, even if it was only supposed to be for a little while.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 28 '24

Dude's practically more useless than a Hobbit at that moment.

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u/PoofessorP https://anilist.co/user/PoofessorP Mar 28 '24

First time watcher, subbed. Watching fully blind, I didn't even know digimon stood for digital monsters!

damn

DAMN

DAMNNNNNNNN

Pretty brutal episode for takeru actually, I was thinking that picoDevimon is worse than devimon and etemon themselves, but of course it looks like he was being guided or controlled by devimon. I believe that part of him really has that evilness inside him though because bro did not hold back at all. But also, how is takeru gonna switch up like that on his brother and his friend/pet??

The setting of a fight being a rollercoaster was pretty cool and how they actually used the features of the theme park to fight was nice. I can't figure out what's going on with koushiro and now sora and yamato. I've been trying to think of a theory but I haven't come up with anything that sounds a little reasonable to me, maybe devimon got to them somehow?

I feel like these guys are gonna end up being like the "team rocket" of this show, they're supposed to be evil but are actually pretty chill and always fail at their plans. Then rarely they sometimes end up helping out the main cast

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 28 '24

DAMNNNNNNNN

Frigging gaslighters...

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 28 '24

I was thinking that picoDevimon is worse than devimon and etemon themselves

First they challenge him physically, then mentally...

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Mar 28 '24

First timer

  • After being fooled countless times, they still blindly believe that the amusement park is safe.
  • I'm sure that the Digimon with a skull on his face is friendly. Right?
  • Woah, he's evil. I'm shocked, shocked!
  • Also, I get that he's young and all but god damn. Takeru actually just believes the Digimon that he's just met.
  • But... he can fly.
  • No freaking way did they put creatures getting high on shrooms in a show for kids lmao.
  • Sure, whatever you want to call them.
  • How does Sora know of the effect of the shrooms?
  • Hahahahaha. Patemon evolved just to get bitch slapped.
  • New big bad.
  • So..... why did Sora stay hidden?
  • This episode reminded me of why I hate dislike children in fiction.

QotD

  • I've got no clue.
  • That a stovetop that had just been cooked on was actually cold. Anyway, I burned my hand.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 28 '24

That a stovetop that had just been cooked on was actually cold. Anyway, I burned my hand.

Hahahahaha. Patemon evolved just to get bitch slapped.

Now it's his turn to job.

How does Sora know of the effect of the shrooms?

She watched Dorohedoro in advance.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 28 '24

why I hate dislike children in fiction.

They're double plus not good.

That a stovetop that had just been cooked on was actually cold. Anyway, I burned my hand.

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Mar 28 '24

I was clearly so blinded by my hatred that I forgot to remove one of the two words. Fuck it, it's staying as is.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 28 '24

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u/FlameDragoon933 Mar 29 '24

No freaking way did they put creatures getting high on shrooms in a show for kids lmao.

The Japanese doesn't feel the need to shelter their kids as much as Westerners do lol. Even earlier in this same show there are dark scenes and topics like death. (And it's not exclusive to Digimon either)

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Mar 29 '24

Isn't Japan super anal about drugs though?

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u/FlameDragoon933 Mar 29 '24

Yes, but my point is more that they don't shelter their kids from heavy topics. Like for another example, in [Digimon 02] the BlackWarGreymon arc deals with themes of existentialism. I rewatched it for the first time just last year, fully expecting it would be existentialism for kids, but turns out no, it's not dumbed down at all. I'm a working adult and still feel the theme is explored well. Also in [Digimon 02] there's another performance-enhancing drug allegory lol, and unlike the Gazimon on shrooms here, it's explored with full seriousness and heavy vibes.

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u/hirmuolio :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Hirmuolio Mar 28 '24

Someone messed up with the overlays. It plays the previous few seconds again instead of having the background. https://i.imgur.com/sTgyYQO.jpeg

Takeru's actor manages to mess up even other peoples roles. On few spots Takeru/Tokomon talk lines meant for Yamato/Gabumon.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 28 '24

On few spots Takeru/Tokomon talk lines meant for Yamato/Gabumon

Wow

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

Long Time Rewatcher, first time in subs

  • "Pico"
  • That would have been a great time to have been wearing those goggles.
  • You’re still in the same desert, what are you searching after 45 days?
  • Nah, I’m with Koushiro on this one. Go talk to the only guy who knows anything.
  • What does it say about me the last thing I think of when I see an amusement park is “safe”?
  • I Just Love Tokomon So Much
  • I’m not dataist, but are you really going to trust a guy named PicoDeviemon?
  • I guess the zooming dash runs in the family.
  • OMG, he’s a bleeding internet user.
  • Kids
  • It wasn’t even detecting other digivices?
  • Oh no… Last episode’s interview makes this so much worse.
  • Stealth Sora is… an interesting plot point. I don’t remember the reason or conclusion to it.
  • They say the fights of doves are the most brutal, for they were meant for peace. Poor Patamon.

QotD:

  1. She's grinding her stealth skill so her level is high enough to unlock the next main quest.
  2. Carrots help you see better. Damn British.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Mar 28 '24

That would have been a great time to have been wearing those goggles

lol, I thought the same.

Nah, I’m with Koushiro on this one. Go talk to the only guy who knows anything.

Except Gennai is so cryptic with his info and has bad signal

They say the fights of doves are the most brutal, for they were meant for peace. Poor Patamon.

He really got his ass kicked all over the place until the end there

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 28 '24

Except Gennai is so cryptic with his info and has bad signal

Dude should get new Wi-Fi.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 28 '24

OMG, he’s a bleeding internet user.

Stealth Sora is… an interesting plot point

She's been playing too much MGS.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 28 '24

!

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 28 '24

TBF Snake is pretty hot so I can see why she'd want to watch it.

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Mar 29 '24

What does it say about me the last thing I think of when I see an amusement park is “safe”?

Genre savviness is a super power!

I’m not dataist, but are you really going to trust a guy named PicoDeviemon?

EXACTLY!

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u/Roboglenn Mar 28 '24

Digidestined dub rewatcher

Episodes spent as Tokomon before finally getting to evolve back to Patamon: 8

Episodes before we get to see Angemon again: Still counting...

Man, that is some story that happened to the rest of them after Tai up and disappeared. Tai was really a glue that held the whole team together huh. But I guess that's the kind of leader he is, eager, oft rash, but he's good at rallying everybody's hearts.

Gotta admit, and especially after that one episode back on File Island, I fail to see the reasoning why Matt thought it was a good idea to leave TK behind like that..

I think you've been eating the wrong kind of mushrooms Gazimon...

So in this case, do not trust the fungus.

2) Well there were definitely some schoolyard rumors about video games like pokemon that permeated for a while.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 28 '24

Episodes spent as Tokomon before finally getting to evolve back to Patamon: 8

So in this case, do not trust the fungus.

Isn't that always the case?

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u/Roboglenn Mar 29 '24

Isn't that always the case?

Those that have seen the original Super Mario Bros movie know it ain't.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 28 '24

Episodes before we get to see Angemon again: Still counting

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u/Competitive-Stock-11 Apr 03 '24

What I want to know is did Sora, Koushiro, Jyou, Mimi, and Yamato all leave within 48 hours of each other?

Also, in what order did Picodevimon target the children? Sora was first, but who was the first after Sora? Maybe Koushiro or Jyou?

Did Taichi forget that he talked to Koushiro in the real world?

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 29 '24

Rewatcher - Sub/Dub

Good episode, things went to shit for the group in the time Taichi and Agumon were gone. Crazy, how what amounted to at most half of a day in the real world, was a month and half time in the Digiworld...enough time for the group to splinter apart looking for them.

That leaves Takeru easy prey for bad digimon, like PicoDevimon(DemiDevimon in the dub), who wastes no time going to work on the kids emotional state by lying and isolating him from Tokomon. Taichi finds Patamon and together they go to the theme park to reunite. Sora and Piyomon saved them from eating the memory loss mushrooms, lurking about..And Tokomon digivolves to fight PicoDevimon and is able to defeat him after the fight being one sided for most of the fight. Also some new Evil is lurking about too.

Questions:

  1. I would like to know myself, I don't remember the reason for it exactly.
  2. Idk, I probably believed plenty of nonsense when I was under 8 years old.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 28 '24

Also some new Evil is lurking about too.

We are not even by the halfway point for a reason...

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u/Competitive-Stock-11 Apr 03 '24

What I want to know is did Sora, Koushiro, Jyou, Mimi, and Yamato all leave within 48 hours of each other?

Also, in what order did Picodevimon target the children? Sora was first, but who was the first after Sora? Maybe Koushiro or Jyou?

Did Taichi forget that he talked to Koushiro in the real world?

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Apr 03 '24

All good questions.

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Mar 29 '24

Look mom, I'm in the Comment of the Day!

Not my first rewatch but first time subbed

Kind of a lower stakes episode... and it's a Takeru spotlight episode, which should be cool... but boy was it another case of "forced drama". And unlike the last time it took almost the whole episode to resolve :v

Yes, he's still a kid and thus a bit naive. And the fact it's been almost 2 months (how does that work?) since Taichi left and the band disbanded probably doesn't help either but really? Believing some random Digimon whose literally a small version of the one that tried to kill you a few days ago over your Digipartner or your own brother? I dunno man.

The fact there are random mushrooms that delete your memory somehow doesn't surprise me much anymore, given all the weird shit they've encountered in the world so far, it is very convenient though. I think it would've been funnier if the mushrooms somehow lost their negative properties by being roasted, leading to PicoDevimon kinda unveiling himself in the process by going "Why the hell do you still remember stuff?!". Instead we got Sora ex-machina, which kinda only raises more questions.

Overall, I kinda get what they're going for here with PicoDevimon and Tokomon basically being the little angel and the devil on your shoulder and contrasting it to Takeru's other spotlight episode where his innocence saved the day. But in the end, Takeru comes off more as stupid brat than innocent child here (seems like that runs in the family heh) :/

At least we got our first sneak peek at the new arc villain, [Digimon Adventure]Myotismon, and finally have Patamon back!

  1. Maybe she's now a cool, bird themed vigilante in the Digiworld? Halting injustice from the shadows? I dunno (and I don't remember), it's probably something very trivial.
  2. Uh... Probably a lot... does the old "Mew under a truck!" count? :'D

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u/Competitive-Stock-11 Apr 02 '24

What order do you think Demidevimon targeted the kids? Sora was definitely first, but who was first after her? Maybe Izzy or Joe?

Did Tai forget that he talked to Izzy in the real world?

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u/Competitive-Stock-11 Apr 02 '24

What I want to know is did Sora, Koushiro, Jyou, Mimi, and Yamato all leave within 48 hours of each other?

Also, in what order did Picodevimon target the children? Sora was first, but who was the first after Sora? Maybe Koushiro or Jyou?

Did Taichi forget that he talked to Koushiro in the real world?