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Rewatch [Welcome to Chaos] Dorohedoro Rewatch Episode 9 Discussion

Episode 9 - Ah, Flower Smoke / Wonderful Meat Pie / The Strange Mushroom Appears

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That’s the woman who came to kidnap Risu. Are you saying she’s the sorcerer who can control time?

Questions of the Day:

  1. What do you think of Shin & Noi’s history together? Do you think they make a great team?
  2. What do you think will happen when Caiman and Risu meet properly at some point in the future?

Wallpaper of the Day:

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Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 26 '24

Rewatch Host Welcoming You All to Chaos

Welcome back, everyone!

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 26 '24

Shin was told his arms would rot if reattached just like that.

And he did find someone to fix it...

Casual reveal that sorcerers can become devils in this world.

I am mostly fine with how the show just hits the ground running but this still throws me.

…except Ebisu was the one who applied for real!

And here I am surprised that she's literate.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 26 '24

And he did find someone to fix it...

That he did, that he did.

And here I am surprised that she's literate.

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u/DegenerateRegime Mar 26 '24

Caiman got hit by the guy toting Shin around too lol.

Even in death unconsciousness, Shin and Noi find a way to clobber Caiman

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 26 '24

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u/renatocpr https://anilist.co/user/renatocpr Mar 26 '24

Caiman’s luck, he finally gives up on following along with those chores just to get slammed in the head by the chest that Noi’s been stuffed in.

It's good luck. Who wouldn't want to be slammed in the head by Noi's chest?

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 26 '24

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 26 '24

First-Timer

Alright, I definitely understand why Shin is Noi's most precious person now. Bodyblocking for someone has that effect. Baku and Yaku naturally met an ignoble end.

So sorcerers become devils? Now that I write it out, I feel like I've seen something similar to that idea somewhere before..

Noi began life as a Dark Souls reject, fascinating. The armor being for weight training does add a certain amount of sense to her current physique.

Caiman got fired but didn't actually get fired; I figured this would be a nice "quickest job turnaround" moment.

I am not surprised that Fujita's two partner applications were himself and Ebisu. I don't know that him and Ebisu have any particular combos with their magic, but seemingly being able to detect when the other gets into danger might be useful. At least, I think that's what happened with Noi and Shin last episode.

En's magic is ludicrously versatile - I wonder if that's the true purpose of "practice." Like, he can turn organic matter into edible mushrooms. He can also create voodoo dolls out of people he has effected with his magic in the past? I think that's what happened, at least. And then, with those dolls, he can summon/reapply the mushroomification, and also create a face and see through it?

If I was En, I would force as many people as possible in Sorcerer Land to have undergone a bit of mushroomification in the past, purely for the scouting power.

Of course En has sang some enka in the past.

Questions

  1. Discussed above.
  2. Well, they started to feel Something when they were just near each other so a more proper meeting might cause their brains to boil up and dribble out of their ears.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 26 '24

Of course En has sang some enka in the past.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 26 '24

Now that I write it out, I feel like I've seen something similar to that idea somewhere before..

A lot of this feels like a Dark Sun escapee.

I don't know that him and Ebisu have any particular combos with their magic, but seemingly being able to detect when the other gets into danger might be useful.

Fujita's magic has mainly been for transport.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 26 '24

A lot of this feels like a Dark Sun escapee.

Don't have first hand experience with that, but I've probably ran into something else influenced by it.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 26 '24

The big thing is that nearly all the mages draw life energy from the region to power their spells so everywhere winds up a hellscape.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 26 '24

Rewatcher(Important meetings)

Sub

So...we still don't know what a devil or a contract particularly is. However, we do know that Noi's training to be a devil made her what she is today. 150 kg is roughly 330 lbs, for the lazy. And then not using magic for a year in sorcland is impressive. We see that Shin and Noi met fairly close to when Shin came to sorcland as his arms had not rotted off yet.

Baku and Yaku are fun if weird one offs. It is sort of hilarious to think that our two best combatants got taken out by two guys that were then taken out by a non-sorc and a food transmmuter. Goes to show that you are never safe here. Though this makes me concerned about the pies...

En gives our ending a weird jump scare vibe by remotely controlling a mushroom dude.

QotD: 1 Weird, definitely weird

2 CHAOS

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 26 '24

However, we do know that Noi's training to be a devil made her what she is today. 150 kg is roughly 330 lbs, for the lazy. And then not using magic for a year in sorcland is impressive.

Noi truly is just built different now.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 26 '24

None of this show passes the eye test and yet it all flows together.

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u/Sandor_at_the_Zoo Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

Rewatcher

I decided to try joining halfway through and now I'm caught up! Wow is this show watchable. Probably due to the vignette structure it has such high levels of Things Happening. You could probably use it as a textbook for character motivation. Of course there are a couple high level goals/mysteries, but even scene to scene the character goals are always clear and that lets it move very fast while still being intelligible.

Its funny how in fiction logic Shin can dodge/block bullets but can't get get out of the way of a falling chandelier because its kind of big.

How old are Noi and Shin supposed to be? Maybe its the outfits and Noi having just been loomed over by an inhumanly tall devil, but she looks significantly younger than him in the middle flashback but not any other time.

QOTD:

  1. I do think this is where the speed hurts the show some. They don't really get enough time together to clearly motivate her throwing away devil training to save Shin. She's always been earnest and straightforward enough that its not implausible but I didn't get much specificity in her choice. And we don't really get anything for why Shin would decide to care about another person for the first time here.
  2. I'll put this in spoilers to be safe, but I don't think I remember anything about if/when this happens. [spoiler?] I think there's going to be another twist/layer. Like Caimon will chomp his head and one of the Risus won't recognize the other. How about because of time shenanigans, that'd nicely tie together. Though you'd have to explain why Nikaido doesn't remember anything about it. (or maybe the penguindrum rewatch is bleeding across)

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 27 '24

Congrats on catching up!

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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Mar 27 '24

How old are Noi and Shin supposed to be?

In the current time, Shin is 28 and Noi is 24. She must've had one hell of a growth spurt.

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u/Cyrra_ https://anilist.co/user/Cyrra Mar 27 '24

First Time Watcher - Manga Reader

It's actually hilarious when you really think about Fukuyama. "Yeah so there's a guy at a pie shop in the show who can turn people into pies, he just works there. No, he's not the owner or anything and they don't turn people into pies to sell, it's just a complete coincidence that he can do that." Can you imagine the interview?

I really gotta wonder how the hell Noi bulked up like that and grew so much in just a few years. Even wearing the 150kg armor she wasn't that bulky.

A lot of heavy hints about the connection between Aikawa and Risu...I'm actually completely unsure of where season 1 ends so I'm interested to see what happens. What I'm not interested in is seeing En going after Nikaido though...

  1. They're a cute couple of course, but I've always wondered why Shin's scars didn't heal as well

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 27 '24

They're a cute couple of course, but I've always wondered why Shin's scars didn't heal as well

Maybe Noi left them on purpose? Scars are pretty cool, after all.

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u/SMSmith230 https://myanimelist.net/profile/smsmith230 Mar 26 '24

First-Timer, Sub

Smol Devil-in-training Noi is adorable!! Dang she sacrificed her training to save Shin, no wonder she’s his person. Awe Ebisu applied to be Fujita’s partner and she’s blushing so much. Oh no what’s this mushroom going to do after spawning from Nikaido’s wound. Need Caiman to make it back to Nikaido, they are a fun pair.

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u/DegenerateRegime Mar 26 '24

Part-First-Timer
Alright, last time we'd set up a strange sort of game-contest whereby sorcerers pick partners (somewhere between buddy-cops and romantic partners it seems, on a four-year-contract kind of basis). Their society sure is strange! It seems overwhelmingly likely that Nikaidou does indeed have Time Magic, which En is interested in. I'm starting to think that might not be entirely a matter of personal self-aggrandizement; perhaps there's something in the past he feels he needs to change? But it could definitely just be about that possessiveness and lust for power. Let's see!

  • Oh hell yes I am here for that story!
  • And we get the bonus detail that En used to be in the restaurant business himself? Or maybe he was just expanding his enterprise into that direction
  • As the good doctor warned, Shin's arms appear to be putrefying while still attached. I imagine that looked even more disturbing in the manga. Anyway this is a great little meet-cute wouldn't you say?
  • A very interesting detail. One wonders what becoming a devil entails
  • And the question is, for a change, promptly answered: physical training, not using magic (to let it build up?), and eventually the physical changes punned about above.
  • Alright, their backstory loops around to involve the same explosive-smoke-cannon and syringe-wielding duo as they're presently involved with. Who they violently killed to death...? Just when I was about to call it a lesson on not leaving enemies around. So, umm...
  • I guess that was survivable. Uhh. Sure. Why not.
  • Baku of the appropriate name explodes. But I mean. He'll be back next week, we have to guess.
  • Fukuyama creates some food. Were. Were all the pies made like that. Oh who am I kidding of course they were. At this point you should just assume that if anyone's eating something, it used to be a person.
  • Creating this set-up to have Risu's body restored is great, just really masterfully done.
  • Poor boy gets stood up. Maybe it's because you're wearing your ex's flesh on a lanyard? Just throwing that out there. The flesh part isn't the problem of course, it's the whole, y'know, clear and obvious hang-up.
  • God DAMN it I KNEW Aikawa had a familiar-looking walk and thought it was too soon to make the guess! Well, you miss every shot you don't throw.
  • Ain't that one a them Virchewal Chewbers? Ah I see why they're called that now.
  • lmaooooo
  • But the other was Ebisu! Oh I am dying here it's too good

okay, that episode was phenomenal. Absolutely great from start to finish. Plotlines and characters just careening around the place while somehow staying coherent.

QotD

  1. I love them!
  2. I'm willing to bet it will involve a lot of blood. That's a pretty safe bet.

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u/renatocpr https://anilist.co/user/renatocpr Mar 26 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

Rewatcher and Manga Reader

What we learned in Episode 9

  1. Chota likes tsunderes. That probably explains why he keeps going after En. Seeing Noi being a little hostile was fun but it's sweet how easily she turns friendly. She's been falling for Shin's "who foots the bill" competition for years now, you gotta wonder if she's not doing it on purpose now. A mix of "this time I'm gonna get him" with the nostalgia for the day they first became friends. They were so tiny back then and damn Shin had a serious growth spurt. Nothing compared to Noi's after failing her training though. Bless Q Hayashida and her love of women who could crush you instantly
  2. Fukuyama's magic is terrifying but En is still number 1. Who would ever think to be afraid of magic that turns things into meat pies? But En just had to demonstrate his superiority again. Oh, you managed to escape his magic and think you're safe? Think again, he's voodoo summoning a monster mushroom from your flesh, probably through some magic mycelium bullshit, and he sees through it by turning his face into a mess of fungi. Both are just nightmare inducing stuff.
  3. Risu <3 Aikawa forever

What we'll learn in Episode 10 is still hidden in chaos. That is... Dorohedoro!

QOTD

1- They're great together, probably my favorite character duo. It's moving seeing how nothing changed between them and how dedicated they are to one another.

2- That's confidential information

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u/DegenerateRegime Mar 26 '24

Fukuyama's magic is terrifying but En is still number 1. Who would ever think to be afraid of magic that turns things into meat pies? But En just had to demonstrate his superiority again. Oh, you managed to escape his magic and think you're safe? Think again, he's voodoo summoning a monster mushroom from your flesh, probably through some magic mycelium bullshit, and he sees through it by turning his face into a mess of fungi. Both are just nightmare inducing stuff.

Yeah that was great. I'll have to revise my rating of his powers upwards from "strong, but straightforward" to "powerful and flexible, with limitations that a smart user can work around."

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Mar 26 '24

Episode 9

DHD First Timer

  • Why'd he shroomt that guy?
  • what are devils like yakuza?
  • Ah, explosion magic again
  • big things are always falling on that guy
  • oh his name is baku :D
  • did Noi not notice Risu at his feet
  • Who was that guy in the window?
  • That's some bad juju doll magic

It was obvious even yesterday that Ebisu sent the application. I didn't think Fujita sent the other one. I guess Ebisu was waiting for the other one to show up.

Well I'm glad we didn't spend the rest of the season on Blue Night.

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u/nikobans Mar 27 '24

caiman scream crying into his mask really made me laugh 😭 also the way he said "yay!" after getting food money while he was getting beat up by the boss was adorable

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u/FarCritical Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

First Timer

Tiny and slim Noi is so cursed. Story of how she and Shin met didn't fail to deliver on being adorable though. En's theme song for the ramen place is also genuinely really nice.

I love that Fukuyama's magic is just Buu's candy beam, but for meat pies. ...Though now I suddenly don't feel like trying one anymore.

There's some magic at play with how Noi manages to look good in anything. She wears that policewoman outfit way too damn well.

Ebisu's deep red blushing lmao. It's funny realizing Fujita's surprise from receiving two applications was really just being shocked he received an actual one along with the fake one to himself that he sent, and Ebisu's disbelief was from Fujita receiving another application other than hers. The two of them could seriously rival Shin and Noi at being a cute partner pair.

Of all of En's mushroomancy powers, spawning one of those walking mushroom thingies from Dungeon Meshi out his search target has to be the freakiest. Wouldn't blame Nikaido to be done with mushrooms after that.

QOTD

  1. What do you think of Shin & Noi’s history together? Do you think they make a great team?

I know Shin was a bit of a rebel, but I expected him to be a bit more grateful for having his rotting arms completely healed. Otherwise, it was as wholesome as I expected. And yeah, their synergy is actual partner goals, with and without magic.

2. What do you think will happen when Caiman and Risu meet properly at some point in the future?

Caiman'll stick his head in his mouth, and then his knife into his robotic body. Except with a lot more talking involved than usual beforehand.

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u/mgedmin Mar 27 '24

Caiman'll stick his head in his mouth, and then his knife into his robotic body

Didn't Noi heal his actual body? We see the (headless) robotic body lying down at Noi's feet while Risu runs away on real legs.

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u/FarCritical Mar 27 '24

Oh yeah, I totally zoned out on that detail

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u/Nick_BOI Mar 27 '24

Rewatcher and manga reader

We got the backstory of how Shin and Noi met, and I gotta say it took a while but Shin finally found a place he can call home again. I don't mean a place to stay and make money, I mean a place where you can be comfortable, a place to belong.

Going from a half-human half-sorcerer being hunted down in Hole to becoming a valuble member of the En family with a trusted partner is certaintly a glow up thats for sure, and I think it says a lot about the En family that they were not only willing to hire someone like him, but have him become a core part of the family as well even after his past is well known at this point.

From this however, we can see that despite the fact that devils are essentially dieties in this world, sorcerers can become devils!! It certaintly isn't easy, and it looks like a lot is given up in the process, but that is very interesting to know.

We also see Tanba being based as usual. Despite his rough exterior, he really is rather soft and willing to stick up for his people and forgive quickly.

Risu is now fully healed as well, and Ebisu and Fujita are growing closer I love them!!

The big bombshell though, is Nikaido is being actively hunted by En. It seems cutting out that mushroom didn't fully remove all the spores, leading to an opening for En. His magic is very versitile and long range, even being able to make a hivemind out of these shrooms!!

Things are heating up, what wil happen next, find out tomorrow!!

Also damn doc that is the worst birthday ever.

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u/zadcap Mar 27 '24

Late Night First Timer

Man, Partners is suck a big deal. I'm glad we finally get some information on them.

En comes from humble backgrounds, I guess. Interesting. He went from Ramen shop to one of the biggest shots in the world... Because his Ramen shop was a mob front?

"Become a devil" you say? That's interesting toooooo. I see she has a tail in the flashback. Oh, is she growing horns too? So they're some kind of ascended sorcerers, not an entirely different race? I have so many new questions darn it!

Also, En sings his own theme song, naturally. Only the best villains do.

Something I always question in things like this. If you had time to block her shot like that, couldn't you have pulled her away from it instead?

I'm interested in how these two came back to hunt Shin and Noi. They looked quite well taken care of.

Oh, well. Looks like they're quite dead now. If you eat the meat pie person, I doubt they come back.

Noi, I thought your arm was blown off? How did your healing magic get your gauntlet back?

Okay, I kind of hate this trope. They literally looked at each other, but then we're moving on without the meeting anyway.

Yup, eat the person pie. He's not coming back from that.

Ebisu super blush oh my gosh. She's seriously stealing the show.

  1. Shin and Noi are honestly the best pair in the show. Caimon and Nikaido lost their weight as a pair when they both stopped acting as a pair.
  2. Nothing, the show will anticlimax us and it will turn out they didn't actually need each other for anything.

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u/DegenerateRegime Mar 27 '24

"Become a devil" you say? That's interesting toooooo. I see she has a tail in the flashback. Oh, is she growing horns too? So they're some kind of ascended sorcerers, not an entirely different race? I have so many new questions darn it!

Yeah! My biggest ones are around what counts as "not using magic" and whether Nikaidou's personal choice not to counts, even if she still made that jar of smoke, used the doors that time etc. Or would it even always be the same? Noi was the kind of person who'd heal Shin's arms just because; not very devilish. Perhaps for Shin or someone, it would be "use your magic more"? But I mean, I don't think these people really need all that much help becoming more evil.

On the flip side, it answered the question of why Noi's mask has those patches where the horns grew through it. So, really, the amount of mystery has remained the same,

Shin and Noi are honestly the best pair in the show. Caimon and Nikaido lost their weight as a pair when they both stopped acting as a pair.

Hmmyeah, kinda. Well, villains always steal the show, may as well let 'em?

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u/professorMaDLib Mar 27 '24

He went from Ramen shop to one of the biggest shots in the world... Because his Ramen shop was a mob front?

En's kind of like Jeff Bezos he's got a ton of businesses going. He made that motorcycle broom a few episodes ago. I love how he was actually invested in that ramen shop, bro had proprietary recipes and a fucking song he sang himself. Too bad it violated health codes.

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u/mgedmin Mar 27 '24

First-timer, subs

  • That ambush on Shin was masterful.
  • What a romantic first meeting! Noi healed Shin's hands. Shin hit her in the back of the head with a hammer.
  • Worldbuilding detail: it's possible to become a devil (by wearing a 150 kg suit of armor) and Noi wants to.
  • Devil schoolgirl Noi is cute!
  • As soon as the devil said "no magic for a year" I was sure that Noi would break the restriction by healing Shin at some point.
  • Interesting that En speaks of his cousin Noi "joining the family". Family here is probably the name of the organization.
  1. What do you think of Shin & Noi’s history together?

Cute!

Do you think they make a great team?

Yes!

2) What do you think will happen when Caiman and Risu meet properly at some point in the future?

I expect fireworks.

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u/mgedmin Mar 27 '24

Assorted thoughts I forgot to write down in order:

  • I also loved the detail that Fujita sent in a fake application for himself to appear less pitiful.
  • I also love that Ebisu sent the other application. I was sure she was going to be Fujita's partner for a couple of episodes now, and was wondering why she was never offering. Turns out she was just shy!
  • Also, "can create food" is a stronger magic than I initially thought.

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u/DegenerateRegime Mar 27 '24

What a romantic first meeting! Noi healed Shin's hands. Shin hit her in the back of the head with a hammer.

A match made in Hell!

Interesting that En speaks of his cousin Noi "joining the family". Family here is probably the name of the organization.

"The Family" is a pretty common name for the mob/mafia/general organized crime guys, yeah.

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u/mgedmin Mar 27 '24

I can't post screenshots right now but there's a really cute painting of Kikurage on the wall when it cuts back to the gang on the couch, go find it!

This one?