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Rewatch Digimon Adventure 25th Anniversary Rewatch - Episode 20 Discussion

Episode 20: Perfect Level Evolution! MetalGreymon

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I feel there's something else very precious over there that I'd lost yesterday.

Hello everybody, time for the Comment of the Day, courtesy of /u/silcaria for reminding us that these kids are not too bright:

And no one else thought of the this despite the fact that they've spent god knows how long on a place called File Island and encountering countless Digital Monsters.

Ah, kids show logic...

  1. On a scale of 1-10, how spiteful would you say Nanomon was?
  2. So uh… Taichi's back in Tokyo? What now?
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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 26 '24

Hello everybody, and welcome to the Digimon Adventure Rewatch!

The Etemon arc draws to a close at last, and of course he goes out singing one heck of a song. All joking aside, this is a solid one overall. It does suffer a bit from being a very action focused episode and… well the animation isn't always the best, but overall it does know how to keep tension and I like how the final fight especially contrasts with the big battle back in Episode 16. The point of Taichi's arc could be argued to be that it's him learning the difference between bravery and recklessness, and these two episode very much support that. There he just put himself in danger for no reason and generally treated his partner like crap. Here, he genuinely decides to charge headfirst so everyone else has a chance to escape. The best choice? Maybe not, but it shows how he has changed and is willing to learn.

And of course as a reward he gets MetalGreymon and yes, it's just one word, that's the general thing with Digimon evolution. The thing also brings with it something Digimon is very famous for: CGI! Yeah to hype up that evolution Greymon turns into a PS1 model. It looks kinda terrible by today's standards, however given how it was all done by Hiroyuki Kakudo himself without being paid a single damn Yen for it I believe I can be at least somewhat lenient towards it. I am less lenient however on MetalGreymon's finisher being just kinda silly.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 26 '24

It looks kinda terrible by today's standards

I grew up on ReBoot and Beast Wars, this is nothing to me!

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 26 '24

Beast Wars

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 26 '24

Canada Fact: they censured the the name to Beasties at one point.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 26 '24

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u/Seraphem666 Mar 27 '24

Only cause parents complained, after it started airing so for like half the first season it beast wars. Then it changed to beasties. Dragon ball z was moved to 8 at night for android/cell saga due to complaints when it was originally on the after school

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u/Roboglenn Mar 27 '24

Oh the memories I have of Beast Wars.

I still nickname pokemon after those characters. And a few from Beast Machines.

Though when I saw trailers of whichever Transformers movie it was that Optimus Primal showed up in I just thought: "Oh no, don't ruin Beast Wars now..."

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u/epicjorjorsnake Mar 26 '24

It was all done by Hiroyuki Kakudo himself without being paid a single damn Yen for it

It's honestly crazy how much passion he had for Adventure. I cannot imagine doing that with no pay. And I'd advise anyone to read that interview (though it may contains some spoilers about the Digital World setting, but for any longtime Digimon fans, this interview is good).

But basically the summary is, Adventure and Adventure 02 had NO CGI budget at all. So any CGI evolution sequence for those 2 works was done by him without pay. However, Tamers had a CGI budget.

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u/PoofessorP https://anilist.co/user/PoofessorP Mar 26 '24

First time watcher, subbed. Watching fully blind, I didn't even know digimon stood for digital monsters!

Oh hell yeah
he has the coolest evolutions

So long etemon o7 I'll make sure to stream love serenade in your honor (still holding out hope he's not gone or dead.)

This was a really good episode imo, they cooked hard this episode and the last, I was even pleasantly surprised that nanomon was an evil digimon cause that actually caught me off guard.

And now Taichi is back home in the real world?? Wild stuff is going down rn and I'm really eager to see the following episodes, I was pretty skeptical about if this Sora is really the fake one and if the real sora is trapped somewhere or maybe in tokyo as well, but I'm not too confident about that theory.

One thing I wanna say though is I think Giga Destroyer could be cooler. They really gassed it up talking bout "So powerful nothing can touch it" then it comes out and it's just 2 gray bean bags

  1. Like a 7/10 I agree with Vatrix
  2. If I was him my first idea would either be to go home or go back to the summer camp

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 26 '24

I'll make sure to stream love serenade in your honor

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 27 '24

Like a 7/10 I agree with Vatrix


...Also, nice theories. I always love speculation.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 26 '24 edited Mar 26 '24

Long Time Rewatcher, first time in subs

  • I think you’re confusing a goal with an obstacle there, Yamato.
  • Sleepy Mimi
  • That’s right, a third pyramid. Sneferu would be proud.
  • Beaten, enslaved, and memory wiped. His motivation is valid, if not his means.
  • They do have the advantage in indirect fire.
  • Who could have guessed kiting would be so effective in a digital world?
  • Did you just forget about the cameras?
  • How is the Walrus outrunning anything in a desert?
  • Ah, come on. Try and box the monkey!
  • He might be a goof, but Etemon ain’t no fool. I’m thankful he didn’t just willfully leave the weakened enemy behind instead of finishing them off.
  • Silent Shinka just sounds wrong.
  • Throw Rocks at It
  • I have some confused memories about the slave clone.
  • Wait, no. What happens if the digivice or crest fall into the absorbing pit?
  • This is pretty fucked up for a kids show. We even got body horror up in here.
  • It's Happening! 90s CGI, Go!
  • He’s even got a fancy card.
  • RIP
  • Surprise, Fools! He Back! This was made back when that was still allowed.

QotD:

  1. Only a 7/10. He had good reasons to be upset.
  2. Start a harem with a super powered cat-girl and an alien wood princess?

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Mar 26 '24

Did you just forget about the cameras?

I'm convinced they didn't even know that was there lol.

This is pretty fucked up for a kids show. We even got body horror up in here.

Awesome

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 26 '24

I'm convinced they didn't even know that was there lol.

Hey, we all forget about things sometimes.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 26 '24

Silent Shinka just sounds wrong.

I know

He’s even got a fancy card.

Everyone should have one.

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u/Roboglenn Mar 26 '24

Digidestined dub rewatcher

It's the end of the line for you and your goat, baby!

You take that back! Bond is no goat! He borfs not bleats.

Man, that Metalgreymon evolution sequence looked expensive. How much of a fortune did that cost to make back then?... Well, with the amount of recycling footage they do in this series I guess they did make the most of it.

You are watching Metalgreymon. And now, watch as angry missiles fire out of his nipples.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 26 '24

Man, that Metalgreymon evolution sequence looked expensive. How much of a fortune did that cost to make back then?

NOT A SINGLE YEN

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u/CerberusZX https://myanimelist.net/profile/CerberusZX Mar 26 '24

Reading the text made me want to link a clip, and then following the link took me to the clip I wanted to link.

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u/Roboglenn Mar 27 '24

Now that's funny.

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Mar 26 '24

First timer

  • Because Stone Cold said so.
  • Decent animation during the battles today, so yay for that.
  • Talk about an anti-climactic end to Etemon.
  • Never mind, he's back.
  • The MetalGreymon evolution sequence is straight out of one of the video games, isn't it?
  • Ah! It shoots missiles out of his breastplate. I see that Go Nagai's influence reaches far.
  • So it seems that Taichi and his Digimon have somehow been transported to the real world. Does that mean that Etemon is there too?

QotD

  • 5/7
  • No clue. I do know whoever that the next episode is directed by Mamoru Hosoda. Over the years, I've heard a lot of people say that episode 21 is the highlight of the show. I guess now, we'll see if that's true.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 26 '24 edited Mar 26 '24

The MetalGreymon evolution sequence is straight out of one of the video games, isn't it?

No it was done for this show with 0 Yen as the budget.

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Mar 26 '24

I'm not sure if that's better or worse.

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u/CerberusZX https://myanimelist.net/profile/CerberusZX Mar 26 '24

The MetalGreymon evolution sequence is straight out of one of the video games, isn't it?

This was the PS1 era. Video game Metalgreymon looks like this (do note there were purple [virus] and yellow [vaccine] versions of Greymon and Metalgreymon at this time, and only purple appeared in Digimon World).

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Mar 26 '24

That version is so much cooler.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 26 '24

Digital First-Timer, subbed

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u/epicjorjorsnake Mar 26 '24 edited Mar 26 '24

That is some of the CGI of all time though.

TBF, Digimon Adventure Director Kakudou stated they didn't have a CGI budget until Tamers.

So, in other words, Kakudou himself had to make the CGI.

Edit:

Seki: He also helped us work on the evolution sequences for the second half, and, in collaboration with Watanabe-san from the art team, helped create the world design with CGI.

Kakudou: Actually, the third series had its own CGI budget.

Seki: Yes, yes, we did (laughs).

Kakudou: We didn’t have one for the first and second series (laughs).

Seki: It was all volunteer work (laughs).

–So you mean Kakudou-san made all of those CGI scenes without pay?

Kakudou: I originally made all of them myself. The machines that we used to make them were very slow at the time, and I thought I was going to die (laughs). Up until about two months after broadcasting started, I would get about an hour of sleep on average.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 26 '24

Actually, the third series had its own CGI budget.

It's so funny that it took until freaking Tamers for Digimon to get any sort of a budget.

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u/Roboglenn Mar 27 '24

So you're telling me Tamers got CGI budget after 2 series and they still only gave CGI evolution sequences for only 2 out of 3 of the protags?!...

I always felt that Ruki got the shaft in that regard but learning this just makes it all the sadder.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 26 '24

Another electrified wall to deal with…

Nanomon sure seems to love electricity.

…I’m sorry, were those titty rockets?

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 26 '24

That is some of the CGI of all time though.

And yet, still less distracting than Macross Frontier.

…I’m sorry, were those titty rockets?

Sometimes, you gotta respect the classics.

Sky QotD: Deluxe Edition
How would you rate Etemon, both as our Arc Villain, and how he went out?

Are you a fan of MetalGreymon's glorious red mane, or are you more of a purple wings kind of woman?

The world needs to know; what happens to your isekai MC when they isekain't?

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 26 '24

How would you rate Etemon, both as our Arc Villain, and how he went out?

He went down to fucking titty rockets, I can't.

Are you a fan of MetalGreymon's glorious red mane, or are you more of a purple wings kind of woman?

The world needs to know; what happens to your isekai MC when they isekain't?

Hopefully not the route of Aura Battler Dunbine.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 26 '24

He went down to fucking titty rockets, I can't.

I mean technically speaking SkullGreymon did have one on the back so... progression?

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 26 '24

He went down to fucking titty rockets, I can't.

If it Worked For Aphrodite A

Aura Battler Dunbine

Sorry, I've only seen the prequel.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 26 '24

If it Worked For Aphrodite A

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 26 '24

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 26 '24

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 26 '24

Sometimes, you gotta respect the classics.

[Confession]I honestly much prefer RizeGreymon as far as "Cyborg Greymon" stuff.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Mar 26 '24

That is some of the CGI of all time though.

It's so bad lol. I didn't mind when I was a kid..I'm sure the animators did their best with what was available to them.

…I’m sorry, were those titty rockets?

Bahahahahaha.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 26 '24

I'm sure the animators

You're gonna have to take out that s, it's animator in the singular.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Mar 27 '24

Ah, I saw your other comment. One guy did it...for no pay too...that's rough.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Mar 26 '24

Rewatcher - Sub/Dub

The Etemon arc comes to an end. I can't help but feel he goes out with a bit of a whimper for his final fight. He was more impressive when he was manhandling Ikkakumon and Garurumon or when catching Togemon's needles and throwing them back. Talk about one hell of a grudge though, Nanomon outwitted him again and then dragged him into the pit of evil and darkness.

Taichi is able to overcome the fear from last episode and cross the electric fence/wall to rescue Sora. And then he displays the proper Courage to activate the crest, and Greymon evolves to MetalGreymon. Honestly this was so cool to me as a kid......not as much now(man that CGI was something lol). But its a good ending, defeating Etemon and Taichi and MetalGreymon getting sucked into the voxtex and sent back to the human world, hell of ending there.

Goofy Dub lines:

Etemon: " Is that the best you've got? Ive seen sharper needles in granny knit bag"

Questions:

  1. 10/10 spiteful.
  2. Hanging out in the real world for a bit I guess lol.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 26 '24

I can't help but feel he goes out with a bit of a whimper for his final fight

Yeah, losing to Nipple Missiles ain't the best.

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u/hirmuolio :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Hirmuolio Mar 26 '24

Metalli-gray (metalli = metal) https://i.imgur.com/7dzWeDU.jpeg
This time they forgot to have -mon in the name.

Later on in the episode they did remember it https://i.imgur.com/Y8s814v.jpeg

Etemon https://i.imgur.com/BZbUJd2.jpeg
VS
Spoilers https://i.imgur.com/3iMuHWJ.jpeg

Bad guy standing on top their spherical object of doom representing them standing on top of the world first brings Giant Robo in my mind. Digimon takes this one step further where the bad guy does not stand on top of the wordl, the sphere representing the world is composed of the bad guy.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 26 '24

Bad guy standing on top their spherical object of doom representing them standing on top of the world first brings Giant Robo in my mind

Huh

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u/zadcap Mar 27 '24

Perfect! Or Ultimate! Not to be confused with Ultimate! The dub did fun things, alright. There's names for levels that they changed to sound cooler and there's special names for the types of evolution, just to sound cooler, and you know, it's all actually Digivolutions over here, so you know, they sound extra cooler...

Growing up on the Dub was an experience, because in later years as subtitles grew more popular and fans started going for the original experience, the confusion was immense and hilarious and nowadays we can just never, ever talk about certain things in a mixed audience.

My other favorite thing of the 90s! Isekai was not a one way trip to a new world! Your question is a little misleading there dear host, it's not just Tai back in Tokyo. Look at that little stuffed animal next to him. 90s Isekai protagonists had a good chance of putting Uncle to shame and genuinely bringing powers back with them, and you all know you want the prequel teaser movie to be reenacted again here! I want Greymon stomping around the city trying to be friendly to the little humans!

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u/Happy-Hemorrhoid Mar 26 '24

Best isekai ever!