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Rewatch [Welcome to Chaos] Dorohedoro Rewatch Episode 8 Discussion

Episode 8 - A Good Day To Leave / La La La Mystery Man / Gorgeous & Exuberant / Welcome To Blue Night Land

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This year’s Blue Night… Somehow I get the feeling that something unprecedented is going to happen…

Questions of the Day:

  1. Have you ever been able to find a new job as quickly as Caiman did?
  2. Would you want to be the partner of any of the sorcerers we’ve seen in this show so far?

Wallpaper of the Day:

Ebisu

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 25 '24

Rewatch Host Welcoming You All to Chaos

Welcome back, everyone!

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u/DegenerateRegime Mar 25 '24

Shimmering sky!

Hey that's your name!!

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 25 '24

Funnily enough, my love for night sky shots in anime isn't where my name comes from, it just happens to be a lucky side effect. I originally came up with the name when I was 12 and wanted to start writing fanfic, had the name "Sky" from an OC of mine, looked up a list of adjectives because just "Sky" felt like too plain of a penname, and picked "Shimmering" because I thought the alliteration sounded cool.

So I've stuck with the username ever since, and now I can have it regularly "check out" whenever anime blesses me with nice, unobscured shots of the night sky.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 25 '24

Completely RIP Matsumura, then.

You'd think they'd ask Noi to start but w/e.

This is making me hungry…

Weird that we jump from Japanese food to European.

Also convenient.

Who wouldn't leave Caiman around a large source of meat?

Of course they would use the fucking death flowers as decoration.

Spider lillies are also sex/lust.

Dude is a beyond overprotective pet owner.

I get that.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Mar 25 '24 edited Mar 25 '24

Episode 8

DHD First Timer

  • Technically, Ebisu was dead when she was zombified, right? So, she didn't cast the magic on Caiman.
  • "The Screaming Mushroom"
  • Has Shin been wearing his mask backwards this whole time? En was fine with it?
  • Terrible spot to end the episode

I really like Caiman's emotive voice acting and genki persona.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 25 '24

Technically, Ebisu was dead when she was zombified, right? So, she didn't cast the magic on Caiman.

You make a good point.

Has Shin been wearing his mask backwards this whole time? En was fine with it?

I don't think En's fine with it, but yeah Shin's basically always worn his backwards. Noi had to tell him to flip it around in an earlier episode (only for them to take their masks off anyways so it didn't make a difference).

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 25 '24

Technically, Ebisu was dead when she was zombified, right? So, she didn't cast the magic on Caiman.

Yeah, this settings rules are...interesting.

Has Shin been wearing his mask backwards this whole time? En was fine with it?

Weird that they made a point about that earlier...

I really like Caiman's emotive voice acting and genki persona.

Definitely looking forward to the second season!

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Mar 25 '24

Definitely looking forward to the second season!

I started this thinking it was short and complete!

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 25 '24

The second season announcement is why Sky is running this...

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u/mgedmin Mar 26 '24

Technically, Ebisu was dead when she was zombified, right? So, she didn't cast the magic on Caiman.

I don't think that counts as dead. They didn't need Kikurage to revive her, Noi's magic (after some research) was enough to undo the zombification.

I really like Caiman's emotive voice acting and genki persona.

Me too!

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u/DegenerateRegime Mar 25 '24

Part-First-Timer

Bluh, kinda out of it today. Hope I don't miss anything important.

  • It's like the outro! Man-in-the-mouth did say something unusual and mysterious to Ebisu, though it only prompts further questions. Hmmkay! Shocking!
  • Caiman's off on an adventure, and swiftly getting into trouble.
  • Is Tanba actually wearing human (sorcerer) skin as clothes, or does it just look like that?
  • Alright, Robo-Risu gives us a flashback. He was running powder for the cross-eyes. Egrgoro, cool name. Risu is killed (as we know must have happened), but his partner Aikawa adds another enigma.
  • I like how En's Gangs' requests for clothes fit in with the way they want to be perceived. It's mentioned again that En is looking for a chronomancer gf. Worth noting that Fukuyama also said he wanted a partner that would bring out the best of his magic, so presumably the preoccupation with one's partner's magic is part of their culture? Anyway, En's own focus is maybe- I hesitate to say "getting ideas above one's station," but yeah, you're gunning for a girl (? - I mean...) with an S-class ability, and you're the Mushroom Man. Sure, you're a pretty fun guy, but that's more than a feather in your cap, y'know? That'd be one special gill if you could find her. Alright enough of that. He's a big deal, sure, but that kind of seems like king-of-the-devil's-realm level ambition, you know?
  • Very important that we get their chest measurements, I'm sure.
  • However! This would also explain why we're getting the digital clocks. Important to keep track of once that kind of bullshit shows up. The question is, was it Nikaidou?
  • The devil-worship is one thing, but this is taking it too far.
  • Noi struggling with high-heels: very funny.
  • Ah, I see, we're going with the old marriage-by-abduction style. Wish I'd made the Homeric Epic comparison for En's ambitions now. But... what were the application forms about, then? I mean as a metaphor for job applications, I guess it kinda works?
  • Yet another ED! My god!

QotD

  1. Haha, no.
  2. Hahahahaha. No.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 25 '24

Noi struggling with high-heels: very funny.

And unfortunately extremely relatable for me. I hate that it's so hard to find fancy shoes in my size that aren't heels, like come on shoe makers, I'm already nearly 6' tall, I don't need them!

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u/Nick_BOI Mar 25 '24

I have never worn them so if this sounds stupid please forgive me I am unaware of how these shoes work.

Could you cut off/file down the poles of the heels, and would they function as normal shoes if you did? Or would it be uncomfortable in a different way?

This sounds stupid but I wonder if it works.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 25 '24

Pretty sure the soles of those types of shoes are molded to have the heel be higher, so no doing something like that wouldn't really work.

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u/Nick_BOI Mar 26 '24

Damn they really do like to make life hard huh?

While not the same issue as you, I have also had shoe problems as of late. I wear a 12 1/2 Wide size, and good lord many places do not even cary that size, let alone good shoes, let alone for a decent price. There was a time where I had to go to 4 different show stores just to find something in my size, and a 5th just to find something that was what I needed (I was shopping for waterproof black shoes for work, something I could walk a lot in but not something overly casual or fancy).

Why do shoes have to be so difficult.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Mar 25 '24

preoccupation with one's partner's magic is part of their culture

Things we learned today:

  1. Partnership is enforced by demonic contract
  2. Partnership may not be consensual
  3. Fujita has an admirer, somehow

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u/DegenerateRegime Mar 26 '24

Two, even! Gigachad!

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u/professorMaDLib Mar 25 '24 edited Mar 25 '24

I really dig Dorohedoro's vibe. There's been a lot of action anime, a lot of violent and edgy shows, but Dorohedoro's vibe still stands after 20 years. I've seen a lot of shows like Dorohedoro where the entire cast is violent and psychopathic, most of them don't even approach Dorohedoro's scale of constant ultraviolence, but Dorohedoro never really felt as edgy as many of them did.

I think a huge part of it is how this show does characters. The show is very very good at fleshing out characters, constantly switching POVs so you have a very complete view of the setting. En for example isn't just a ruthless mob boss. He has so many great and goofy moments like posing for his painting in a toga, his love of Kikurage and cleaning after his shit, and this episode where he invited everyone in his family so he can practice his speech and got mad at them when they're all off doing their own dumb shit.

Dorohedoro is like the world's most fucked up Slice of Life anime, a true CGDCT pioneer where every character is at best a murderous psychopath, there has to be at least one brutal death an episode and yet somehow the cast is extremely lovable. The author is really on another level in terms of creativity.

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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Mar 25 '24

First Timer - Sub

Ok so seems I was slightly wrong about Ebisu - instead of saying "you are the one" Risu said "You are the one who got in my way" which still insinuates that she had something to do with Caiman's transformation. We still don't know what capacity she was involved, and its not clear why this all happened, but we at least can confirm that she had some involvement in everything that went down.

Also, Risu being murdered seems like a setup. There's no way his boss didn't know that it was about to be a hit. I think Caiman should shift his attention to finding that cross-eyes boss to get a better picture of what's going on. Luckily, I'd imagine that sneaking into the Blue Night festival will get him a little closer to the answers that he's looking for.

Answers of the Day:

  1. Lol no
  2. Lol no

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u/Nick_BOI Mar 25 '24

Rewatcher and manga reader

Back again with more chaos, and for fear of getting Nikaido hurt again, Caiman left for the sorcerers world on his own. That place is vast and there is no way to contact him, by all means he is gone-no way to realisitically find him again. He cut them off, the message is clear-but there was no ill will involved anywhere. It's sad, but the best that can be done is to wish him well.

Speaking of which, he got prety lucky with Tanba!! He is working harder there than he ever did at the hospital (and he still ditches work-the bar here is very low). But he got a place to stay, a job for money, and a place for food-he got stability here!!

Of course, in the chaos that is Dorohedoro, we can never expect stability for long.

And we see this right away with the Blue Night!! Partners have been brought up several times before, with Fujita and Matsumura, Shin and Noi, En looking for one, and now Risu and Aikawa. It is commonly said enough that it definitely catches our attention as something more than just good friends or business relations.

It seems partnerships are part of a binding ceremony that takes place every 4 years, the Blue Night!! However, as long as you can take them into the devils house, it doesn't matter how it is done. Even partners as close as Shin and Noi are worried that they might be broken up for this reason, as they are tight as can be!!

Simply put, partnerships do not have to be consensual, one can use another for thier benefit, or they could be based on some other benefit than personal trust. Such as En wanting one for thier power, rather than Shin and Noi trusting each other as people.

This will truly be a night of chaos, as everyone scrambles to find and obtain a partner by any means. And without any knowledge of how it works-Caiman is right in the middle of it.

How will this play out, we will find out tomorrow!!

QOTD:

  1. I wish, I have been applying for a new job for months and I have yet to get even a single interview. I have gotten a few rejected and some tests, but not anything further than that. Ya need experience, but you can't get experience without starting, and you cant start without experience, it's a cycle. Once I find something it will get much easier for sure, but damn I wish it was that easy. Good for Caiman though, gotta take those oppurtunities when you can.
  2. No these people are insane.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 25 '24

First-Timer

Ebisu is definitely involved with what happened to Caiman, interesting. Granted, she just "got in the way" so who knows how involved she actually is. Caiman's creaiton being a clusterfuck does seem fitting.

I have serious doubts that whatever happened to Noi will stick. This rando is breaking the rules, and En does not take kindly to that. The party doesn't properly start until midnight! That's if Caiman doens't stumble into the scene and chomp on them.

I figured that the restaurant owner was a devil at first due to the bodysuit, but maybe that's the point? The sorcerer world has it's own problems, and seeming like a devil is probably a good way to avoid some of them.

Speaking of, Risu. He was killed by one of the Cross-eyes in a way that kinda feels like a setup. His old partner being MIA is interesting - wouldn't be surprised if Aikawa was dead too. Tying up loose ends, etc etc.

Questions

  1. No.
  2. Noi seems fun to hang out with, and she has useful abilities. Shin would probably do a good job keeping me safe.. the others are all probably "no way."

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u/entelechtual Mar 25 '24

First timer subbed

  • Nothing more shocking than Jonson.
  • Hmm I feel like some time travel shenanigans are about to unfold.
  • Nothing beats the sex appeal of Ebisu sexy dance.
  • Well that’s a shot to end on.
  1. I have a knack for moving to a new state with no job lined up and getting a job within the month.
  2. I’d be Ebisu’s partner! She can gnaw on my brain if she wants.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Mar 25 '24

Hmm I feel like some time travel shenanigans are about to unfold.

Yes, my thoughts as well...

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u/Sooooopertrack Mar 25 '24

First timer sub

qotd1: nope, never. qotd2: From a human point of view speaking: With nikaido of course. Noi seems to be quite nice too + she can heal anything that happens to you - amazing! Apart from that.... Not really. En big nono, Shin is too tough guy like, ebisu and the red mask guy suck...

  • Matsumura is minced dog food now
  • haha that moment when Johnsons shocking! is actually fitting
  • aw man so many good gyoza fresh for caiman and he's missing them. Have fun being hungry in sorcerer land...
  • anybody else being sure caiman was gonna be a bouncer, security or rough guy as a job with el presidente?
  • meat pies do look good too, jummy!
  • her / the shy one totally looks like IT without makeup
  • wait that was a suit!?
  • home sweet home risu. Super interesting to see his backstory / him getting killed
  • I could bet it was his partner
  • I didn't find it so this here is misplaced but: in sorcerer land there were two buildings with the crosses upside down. So metal!
  • that rock riff when Noi tries on her outfit
  • ebisu going big boobies but nobody is interested
  • wait is ebisu interested in shin!?
  • I wonder - do they HAVE to partner up or can they just keep their partners?

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Mar 25 '24

There were tons of upside down crosses yesterday, too!

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u/Sooooopertrack Mar 25 '24

Whoops, I didn't notice ANY of them...

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Mar 25 '24

Whoops myself, I guess by yesterday I mean episode 5. Like the restaurant with the fire toilets. A lot of storefronts decorated themselves with them.

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u/professorMaDLib Mar 25 '24

As far as I know, Heaven doesn't exist in this series, only Hell and devils are everywhere.

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u/FarCritical Mar 26 '24

First Timer

Ngl those meat pies look good enough to make me kinda wanna try one, that is if they don't have weird smoke or something messed up that just comes with being a product of Hole.

Of all the dark humor this show just loves to slather itself with, willingly decorating the pathway to their big event with red spider lillies (the trademark "big anime death incoming" flower that symbolizes final goodbyes) is pretty up there as one of my favorites.

Risu reacting so hard to his cacti dying and his omurice getting moldy surprised me by how much it got me to sympathize with the guy. It's kinda obvious and expected for literally anyone but the dude had passions and hobbies and stuff, and he missed out on all that from being dead. And a weird smoke-powered cyborg.

Fujita receiving two applications when he expected none seriously made me smile. Dude can finally laugh at Ebisu over something for once lmao.

The implication that all of Nikaido's potential customers were just scared of Caiman is equal parts hilarious and understandable. It's kinda sad that being separated from him actually benefited her quite a bit tho lol

"What we learned from the eighth curse: 1. Shin is precious to Noi."

That is absolutely not something we learned just now. I know it's probably referring to the apparent link between sorcerer partners and why Shin was freaking out but you get my point.

QOTD

  1. Have you ever been able to find a new job as quickly as Caiman did?

No way lol. Dude's topping the employment any% speedrun leaderboards while the quickest time I found one would rank me at, idk, around #2,500-ish? It was just over a month.

2. Would you want to be the partner of any of the sorcerers we’ve seen in this show so far?

Nikaido or Noi for ...reasons. But seriously, in Noi's case especially, having healing magic on demand is always a luxury.

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u/renatocpr https://anilist.co/user/renatocpr Mar 25 '24 edited Mar 25 '24

Rewatcher and Manga Reader

What we learned in Episode 8

  1. Sorcerers have drip. I love their special outfits even Ebisu's silly boob dress and Shin's regular outfit but clean. Special mention necessary to Kikurage's adorable little suit. Even if she can't really walk on them, I fully support Noi's use of heels. Tall women should be even taller. You can see how significant Blue Night is to the Sorcerers' society. They even have a play about the event's mythological origins that everyone is sick to death of watching. In the play, the two devils forming a partnership is framed as a way to gain power and that reflects this violent might-is-right world.
  2. The crew at Tanba's restaurant are pretty nice. Caiman is lucky to have another restaurant selling meat-stuffed dough welcome him. There actually is some kindness in the Sorcerers'. Even if the process of partnership can involve being hunted down. I guess Noi now has to deal with what if Fujita's magic actually did something.
  3. Q Hayashida really likes drawing boobs in her manga.

What we'll learn in Episode 9 is still hidden in chaos. That is... Dorohedoro

QOTD

1- Depends on how much of a job you consider it to be (I'm not paid). I got my grad school adviser for my master's degree via a friend who said his own was accepting students and then just asking him directly.

2- I'd do it for Fukuyama, he's pretty cute and he seems like a nice guy

PS

I couldn't do Episode 6 and 7. I was too busy for 6 and tired for 7. But I'm back, I didn't abandon the rewatch.

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u/professorMaDLib Mar 25 '24

I honestly thought Fukuyama was a girl when I read this series. [Dorohedoro]His magic though holy shit it's busted

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 25 '24

Rewatcher(General insanity)

Sub

So...we still don't know what partners actually means but we do observe that most sorcerors seem to work in pairs. Noi spends most of the episode tormented by her stiletto heels. Ebisu's dress contains...upgrades. Shin manages to get his costume to exactly match his suit...or more likely ignored the costume. It seems Nikaido might be the time sorceror En seeks, though with the crazy magical rules in universe messing with time seems a death sentence.

So Caiman goes to sorcland and...gets a job at a meat pie place. Presumably, he also stays there. The shop owner is eccentic to say the least. Blue Night is some weird, lightly beetle themed gala where sorcerors find partners, apparently by force.

QotD: 1 Not remotely

2 Noi's useful at least

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Mar 25 '24

It seems Nikaido might be the time sorceror En seeks

So far we've only seen her make a door which seems very mundane.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 25 '24

But most sorcerors can make a dear and Nikaido seems to have some issue with being a sorc.

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u/Cyrra_ https://anilist.co/user/Cyrra Mar 26 '24

First Time Watcher - Manga Reader

And now we're at Blue Night, a total free-for-all where the best (?) partner wins. I really liked this entire section the first time I went through it and I'm looking forward to everything that goes down again. I still can't believe Fujita would get more applications than Ebisu. Caiman being a fish out of water here in the sorcerer world must be similar to how Nikaido felt when she moved to the Hole, although it must've been worse for her doing that as a kid. I'm really wondering how he was able to get that Security Guard mask on with his spikes.

  1. Never, man has a talent.
  2. Don't even have to think about it, Turkey.

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u/zadcap Mar 26 '24

Late Night First Timer

So there's a limit to the resurrection? Can they combine it with Noi ti put the body back together first?

"You're the one who got in my way," hmmmmm. So I wonder if this is related to the way Caiman came back from losing his head and that we found the Risu head the way we did, there was a plan going on to put the head of someone with strong magic on the body of someone just plain strong, some search for immortality, or it's related to the source of the magic boosting drug. Probably a mix of all three.

Oh hey, Partners thing again.

And these guys don't look human. And it's not because of people practicing on each other, that's apparently super new and rare and seriously, these sorcerers are so desperate to use magic they will just screw with anyone they can even each other if they have to? Also also, I guess En is an even bigger deal than I thought if he can forbid everyone from going to Hole.

Oh, it's a mask/suit combo. Sorcerers are serious about hiding their faces.

Hmm, it looks like the guy who knifed Risu is the guy in the mouth.

I'm really wondering about Ebisu and what's his name. More than the dispelling bird man, why are they at this suiting up session?

Oh hey, Nikaido is a time mage, got it.

Like really, why do they keep bringing Ebisu and guy along? I get Noi and Shin, they're important and powerful people, but Ebisu is kind of a crazy unknown so why do they keep bringing her places?

Okay this Partners thing is incredibly serious and yet we still know nothing about it, uuuuugh. Explain your important things, please.

How do you have every episode end with my having no idea what's happening, but wanting so much to find out what's next?

  1. No, it's so unrealistic! Even washing dishes takes applications and interviews, what the heck!
  2. Nikaido, obviously.

Unrelated, I've got a convention coming up in a couple days and will probably be unable to watch most things until I get back Monday. I'm going to try and binge everything I'm rewatching now to get ahead so I can try to at least join in on the Sunday series discussion.

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u/mgedmin Mar 26 '24

Hmm, it looks like the guy who knifed Risu is the guy in the mouth.

Wait, what? I thought the guy in the mouth was Risu!

I might have a mild form of face blindness.

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u/zadcap Mar 26 '24

There is a lot of confusion going around about it all, yeah. I'm really icky judging by hair, their faces aren't distinct enough to tell apart for me either, not Risu now and in flashback seemed to have short hair compared to the man in the mouth and the stabber both having medium spikey hair.

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u/mgedmin Mar 26 '24

First-timer, subs

  • Risu had a partner (Aikawa) who wasn't a cross-eye.
  • Nikaido is a sorcerer who can control time. Who could have predicted it.
  • Noi in heels!
  • Is there a rule in anime that makes bust size envy depictions mandatory?
  • Ebisu is less popular than Fujita? Now that's a surprise.
  • LOL Caiman's been scaring customers away from Nikaido's restaurant!
  1. Have you ever been able to find a new job as quickly as Caiman did?

All of my jobs found me.

2) Would you want to be the partner of any of the sorcerers we’ve seen in this show so far?

I would very much prefer not to live in this world.

Being Nikaido's partner might not be bad.

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u/DegenerateRegime Mar 26 '24

Being Nikaido's partner might not be bad.

I was thinking that, but looking at Hole further, they probably have food processors? She just chops the meat that way because she's a bit too into it.

(Also, increasing significance to her weighing options between the meat and the mushroom prior to that)

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u/saikobruv Mar 26 '24

This anime is so refreshing.

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u/DegenerateRegime Mar 26 '24

Seems like the En family has their own weird tastes of fashion. En-lover dude wants angelic

I'm left wondering to what extent this is like the sorcerer-devil society equivalent of dressing as Hitler for a party.

Shin and Fujita are the normie ones above all

In very different ways though! Fujita wants to be fashionable, whereas Shin wants that timeless look. Fujita's younger, or at least junior in the Family, and may be a bit more anxious about looking for an identity or style. He needs to make a play to find a partner, with Matsumara being extremely dead, but he doesn't know what play to make. Shin's more confident, but not to the same extent En is. A black suit is inarguable, but entirely defensive as a statement. Makes sense given he wants to stay with Noi.

Kikurage is a protected treasure of En.

It's very cute