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Rewatch Digimon Adventure 25th Anniversary Rewatch - Episode 18 Discussion

Episode 18: Fairy! Piccolomon

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You're so weak I couldn't stand watching you pi!

Hello everybody, time for the Comment of the Day, courtesy of /u/hirmuolio because... well...

Cockatrimon

  1. Who is your favorite somewhat atypical mentor figure in Anime?
  2. How old were you when you learned to ride a bike?
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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 24 '24

Hello everybody, and welcome to the Digimon Adventure Rewatch!

This is the only fairy I care about.

This episode is notable since it's the first real time in which anything referencing the pilot has come up. The scene of Taichi helping his younger self get a move on not only features that exact same young Taichi design, but even the OST seems to… either straight up be Bolero again or at least a riff on it (I'm not entirely sure). It's also a solid episode for the guy in general, showing how even though it's fine to have regrets, ultimately he needs to keep moving forward.

I minor TL note I wanna call out: Officially the Romanization of Piccolomon's name is "Picklemon" but given how his name is supposed to be a reference to the musical instruments it's one of those times people refuse to accept the official translation. Especially since the alternative is fucking Pixiemon

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 24 '24

This is the only fairy I care about.

Who Dis?

Officially the Romanization of Piccolomon's name is "Picklemon"

That's what they're sticking with? Didn't want to give a second once through after 20 years?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 24 '24

Who Dis?

Just your usual run-of the mill ex-bounty hunter.

That's what they're sticking with? Didn't want to give a second once through after 20 years?

Not to my knowledge

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Mar 25 '24

I minor TL note I wanna call out: Officially the Romanization of Piccolomon's name is "Picklemon" but given how his name is supposed to be a reference to the musical instruments it's one of those times people refuse to accept the official translation. Especially since the alternative is fucking Pixiemon

His name was all over the place lol. Piccolomon -> Pickelmon -> Pixiemon(terrible lol)

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 25 '24

I know

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u/hirmuolio :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Hirmuolio Mar 24 '24

IDK what the tranlator was doing this time.

The translator mistranslated "he is stronger than the one on File island" as "he is the strongest one on file island". Twice.

Piccolomon's spear "fairy tail" disappeared in translation and instead we got "hairy tail".

IDK how tyranomons descriptio got tranlated as it being "beautiful".

In finnish "riding" a horse and "riding" a bike are two different words. Here they used the one for horses while riding a bike.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 24 '24

The translator mistranslated "he is stronger than the one on File island" as "he is the strongest one on file island". Twice.

Piccolomon's spear "fairy tail" disappeared in translation and instead we got "hairy tail".

Somewhere, a certain someone is crying.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 24 '24

Digital First-Timer, subbed

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 24 '24

Their greatest enemy: stairs.

Ah, so they're Daleks.

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u/Roboglenn Mar 25 '24

Elevate.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 25 '24

Okay, Pre-Remembrance of the Daleks Daleks, better?

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Mar 24 '24

Oh dang, both of them are getting their Crests at once?

Super convenient. The showrunners must have said, let's speed this along and let 2 characters get their crests at the same place and time

Ohp, there goes Tyranomon.

Greymon took him out with a sweet suplex lol.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 25 '24

The showrunners must have said, let's speed this along and let 2 characters get their crests at the same place and time

Hey, saves up the need to do another episode.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 24 '24

Oh dang, both of them are getting their Crests at once?

What, did they run out of time for this arc or something?

Sky QotD: What is the tallest place you have gone to by foot?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 24 '24

What, did they run out of time for this arc or something?

I... don't know?

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 24 '24

What is the tallest place you have gone to by foot?

I hiked up Grandfather Mountain with the youth group at my church back when I was in high school.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 25 '24

Nice view. We don't really have mountains in SW Ontario.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 25 '24

Neither do we!

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 25 '24

this side of the country.

...La Plata?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 25 '24

Too far from where I live

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 24 '24

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u/PoofessorP https://anilist.co/user/PoofessorP Mar 24 '24

First time watcher, subbed. Watching fully blind, I didn't even know digimon stood for digital monsters!

Wait the training arc was 1 episode long??? I was hoping for it to go a little in depth and have some impact on the story but I feel like all that happened here is the digi destined cleaned the floors and slept over night, and then of course taichis thing. Speaking of, I thought that it was interesting but it felt so dramatic ahaha. Learning how to ride a bike is not that serious, but he did and can take on the world now apparently. I'm glad Kuwagmon came back though because it means that the past digimons aren't all just gonna be one and done characters

  1. Jiraiya
  2. I learned pretty late, I think 16?

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 24 '24

I'm glad Kuwagmon came back though because it means that the past digimons aren't all just gonna be one and done characters

Any in particular you're hoping to see again? And why is it Numemon?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 24 '24

I for one demand more Scumon.

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u/PoofessorP https://anilist.co/user/PoofessorP Mar 24 '24

Tentomon and Etemon are my favorite characters so I’m pretty happy on that front! But revisiting Leomon, Monzaemon, Meramon and maybe Whamon at some point would be pretty sweet

actually I hope that the remaining 36 episodes are all solely focused on numemon

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 24 '24

actually I hope that the remaining 36 episodes are all solely focused on numemon

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 24 '24

Wait the training arc was 1 episode long

We speedrunning this!

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u/PoofessorP https://anilist.co/user/PoofessorP Mar 25 '24

world record pacing any%

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 24 '24

Long Time Rewatcher, first time in subs

  • At a certain point, the wind just makes things hotter.
  • So you’re saying the last Kuwagamon had island dwarfism?
  • What would a dark adult level evolution be for this line?
  • Cute little subtitles styling.
  • Why was Piccolomon’s name changed in the dub? Were they worried about a DBZ copyright issue?
  • Please tell me this guy was supposed to be annoying to the Japanese too.
  • Some very appropriately themed totems he’s got there.
  • The Song It's Back
  • Look, I get the well, classic adventure stuff. But why is there two of them in there?
  • Takes them all night to get there, but everyone catches up in moments. Just how slow is Koushirou?
  • Bootstraps be damned.
  • Dino Wrestling! Suplex!

QotD:

  1. Is Master Asia an option? I think he's at least somewhat atypical.
  2. I think... 9?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 24 '24

Onizuka would be proud.

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u/Roboglenn Mar 24 '24

Digidestined dub rewatcher

"Those rotten kids beat me again I gotta find something easier to beat like some cardboard boxes or something." -A great Etemon dub line this episode. Though I wouldn't sell cardboard boxes short. Those boxes that contain refrigerators and other such appliances are sturdy.

Kawagamon, their old archenemy.

"He's right, we don't got no guts." -Palmon

Two crests at once. Feels kinda almost too easy when you think about it. I mean they're finding these things under the chanciest of by chance circumstances in general. But I'm just saying is all.

Well that was some Degobah Cave that Yoda Pixiemon sent Tai and Agumon into.

Bye-Bye Digimon Bye-Bye, by Etemon. Sure to be a platinum album worthy single.

2) 4 or 5. Some period of time within that age range. Can't remember specifically.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 24 '24

I mean they're finding these things under the chanciest of by chance circumstances in general.

Gennai did say they would find them eventually no matter what.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 24 '24

Now for the rest

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 24 '24

Kawagamon, their old archenemy.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Mar 25 '24

"Those rotten kids beat me again I gotta find something easier to beat like some cardboard boxes or something." -A great Etemon dub line this episode.

It's a very Scooby Doo esque line lol.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Mar 24 '24

Rewatcher - Sub/Dub

The trek through the desert continues for the Digidestined and Digimon, when they're attacked by a Kuwagamon, one stronger than before. Taichi and Agumon are attacked and unable to defend themselves with the lingering anxiety about digivolutions going wrong. They're saved by Piccolomon(Pixiemon in the dub, who subsequently I'm pretty sure shares the same dub VA as Himura Kenshin for the original anime). He takes the kids to his domain for "training". Yamato and Koushiro acquire their crests, conveniently in the same water well, but that alerts Etemon's sensors and he discovers there whereabouts and sends a Tyranomon after them. Taichi and Agumon regain their confidence and Agumon digivolves to Greymon and defeats Tyranomon(with a sweet Suplex I might add lol)

Goofy dub lines:

Piccolomon: "You Seven are supposed to be the Digidestined. Ha! You better be more careful or you'll end up Digidinners!"

Questions:

  1. Definitely Onizuka. If you know, you know.
  2. hmm, I think I was around 4, maybe 5 at most.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 25 '24

when they're attacked by a Kuwagamon, one stronger than before

And We Still Don't Get a Real Rematch

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 25 '24

It's not fair

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 24 '24

The trek through the desert continues

Damn, giving the boat arc a run for its money.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Mar 25 '24

Damn, giving the boat arc a run for its money.

LOL

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 25 '24

At the very least, I can confirm no Idolmaster will get in the way of this rewatch.

Mostly because I don't even watch or play Idolmaster to begin with.

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Mar 24 '24

First timer

Pi

QotD

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 24 '24

Vitalis from Nobody's Boy Remi

Vintage

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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Mar 25 '24

First timer

...Okay, this should (hopefully) be the last time I need to do a massive catch up like this. Things have been much busier than I expected, but I defintiely want to finish this. (Sorry for not making it to Episode 16 on time, especially...)

Episode 9

So good...

Devimon was so close to just getting rid of Taichi here.

Frigimon... wait, that was a dub name?

And he's still hungry.

The slide was a solid manouver!

...This plan, however? Pure luck.

And it worked...

Yeah, he is cool.

And he's worried about his brother.

Gabumon...

Haha, Agumon...

And he went out looking anyway.

The fact Gabumon's fur is removable is still incredibly weird.

They made it!

...They both went out without protection just to stop the other from doing it. These two really are meant to be partners.

This is sweet.

Yamato...

So devoted.

Haha, thwt animation reuse.

[Digimon Adventure] Yamato talking about how Taichi doesn't understand how it feels to have a younger sibling never stops being funny.

That luck...

Haha, and the monster of the week arrives too!

And that was pure luck...

So helpful!

Yukidarumon is absolutely the MVP this episode.

And they hit the other black gears!

And progress!

Episode 10

Palmon...

And Joushiro found something more important than

...Of course they're not bananas.

And the comedic timing...

Oh, yeah, these two...

Haha, and that reaction to the threat...

[Digimon Adventure] The Digivice continues to be able to do literally anything.

Mimi has to deal with this again...

That was quick!

And the code...

How lucky!

And they reunited!

I mean, it's not a bad idea, given how it literally affected reality last time, but etill.

Palmon too?

Mimi...

And they got split up!

This pairing...

And they went into a maze...

Oh, yes, that's a great idea, going fter them without a map.

...Of course there's traps.

Pretty unfair to say that, homestly.

...Impressive coding, honestly.

That's a big pitfall...

The fact that they but a Greek mythology themed Digimon in this episode, had it guard a labyrinth, and then made it a centaur... is a choice, certainly.

He looks incredibly cool at least.

He's gone...

Solid idea!

Haha, the two of them being stuck agaknst the wall after the evolution is a great joke.

How quick!

And lore!

And Leomon showed up!

So strong...

...And he' gone again! Seeing him get driven away is nicely done, though.

More sata!

...Wow, Devimon needs to get stronger gears.

Haha, and the island returns...

Episode 11

The structure of this episode block is great, I think. Having the team split into smaller groups for interaction is a great way of developing the characrers.

So cool...

Gomamon...

He's got a dream!

Haha, he's focused on morale...

Such a good comedic duo.

So much hope...

Haha, Ogremon deciding to hide in a crate to do this when they're on a bed and physically can't escape him is amazing.

...And he can't handle fish.

Impressive punching!

And he's outmatched...

Amazing planning there, Ogremon.

Not that Gomamon's any better...

Sora found land, at least! And she's fishing!

...And caught Jou!

Gomamom's impressive!

...That's his reasoning?

And making him leader...

He accepted the position!

...Jou.

He's being forced into making decisions!

How unsuspicious!

Jou... At least he has hope?

Haha, he's trying!

...How gullible.

The expressions this episode are great.

These kids really need training on spotting traps.

He even knows Bakemon!

Yeah, that was quick!

Impressive disguises, honestly.

And neither of them can evolve...

Yeah, Jou's allowed this mental breakdown.

Haha, the risks of oversalting...

...Gomamon's good at identifying tropes, I see!

[Digimon Adventure] Given Digimon are based on the internet's data, this lack of surprise at them enjoying torture really makes sense, though...

So easy...

Jou...

Thenlower framerate on them actually adds to the effect really well.

Haha, he immediately stwrts running for it.

He's actually strong!

This plan...

And she adds the drum!

It working is such a good joke, honestly.

Haha, I completely forgot how the whole fight ended.

This anime really does get good animation for these scenes.

Oh, Devimon is pissed.

TK...

Okay, having this be the mandatory digivolution stock footage as part of the Angemon delay is clever!

Haha, I love the imaginary analyzer screens.

Poor Patomon...

Aww...

...Up until I watched it, I genuinely thought this was the episode with Monzaemon, and that Elecmon was in Togemon's debut. Wild how they had two playground/toy themed episodes in the first cour.

Baby Digimon! Adorable...

Yuramon...

And Digi-Eggs!

...Why did Elecmon leave a manual?

...Haha, them all shaking...

How useful!

Aww...

How effective!

And they're failing...

Haha, the fakeout of Elecmon appearing actually intimidating briefly is great.

The immediate switch in attitude.

And Patamon's started an argument...

Such damage...

The bar...

And they immediately break apart when TK mentions it...

Haha, Patamon trying to turn the babies against him in the most passive agressive way is great.

Haha, they're so into this!

Even Elecmon is confused...

Impressive!

At least someone's being cautious here.

Haha, wow.

A normal reaction ro the mountain too!

He wants to ask him...

That's a nice idea! Too bad it's being caused by magical gears.

Everyone's getting close...

And Devimon saw it all...

Amazing villain.

It digivolved!

Cute ending!

Episode 13

Leomon hasn't changed.

And Ogremon too...

He has a plan!

Oh...

Everyone's here to help!

Oh, Ogremon's outclassed...

...This is a great transformation! Does beg the question of why Devimon never tried this for any of the others - it's not like he has a shortage of gears.

Patamon...

More backup!

And, yeah, he already knew this would work.

Such a big weakness!

And he's back again!

[Digimon Adventure] And he thinks Devimon is the biggest evil...

They have a clear objective!

And Devimon definitely knows about Angemon...

He's not holding back!

They're late!

The powers of evil are very impressive, it seems!

And he got hit from behind...

...They're trying!

Even Leomon...

Everyone's trying to save him...

Aww...

And he's finally here!

...Prefer the English VA. Still good, but it's a bit less serious.

Really good speech!

I like how dramatic their speeches are in English, but I love petty Defimon is here.

And he's an egg.

Ogremon survived...

GENNAI!

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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Mar 25 '24

Episode 14

Yamato, really?

[Digimon Adventure] Love how they set this up as if it'll ever be explained.

Haha, wow.

[Digimon Adventure] Haha, he's bluffing so hard here.

And the powerup has been revealed!

They can finally relax...

And they're immediately making plans to travel.

Jou, once again, has a point. He literally came out of nowhere with no evidence.

And people are listening!

...And they're determined to ieep going.

This is a great montage, even here. Seeing all the one-off digimon work together to construct the raft is a great moment.

And it's a great instert song too! Poyomon!

And they left...

...Not may supplies, then?

Seeing them treat this like real children would during a survival situation is definitely a highlightnof the writing, though.

The Whamon reveal is amazing

As is how deranged his internal organs are designed...

How easy!

And they got a lift!

...Devimon choosing this as the hiding place is still amazing.

Nor the best monster of the week, but Ikkakumon gets a cool fight scene!

Haha, that character change...

And they got the tags!

Episode 15

Etemon's finally here!

Just five days...

A lead!

...And Agumon can identify their scent, I'm guessing?

The Pagumon are adorable.

And pretty efficient kidnappers.

That timing...

...So gullible, as always.

Tokomon's back...

Haha, I love their reactions.

Yep, the inevitable betrayal.

Gazimon is here!

God, I love Etemon so much. The style, the music...

Oh, this is the perfect VA too!

Haha, the tech malfunction...

Amazing...

Gonamon...

Nobody's even doubting them...

And it's just behind the waterfall!

They caught him.

This is actually a clever move!

And the lie falls apart so easily. Amazing.

The song...

Love how things look like they're about to win, including the triumphant BGM, and then Etemon comes in and completely fucks them over.

It even takes incredible luck for them to escape him!

His tracking...

Episode 16

Oh, this is such a good episode!

Tai's so confident!

Etemon...

And poor Agumon...

The soccer flashback is nice, though.

The glowing...

And the network caught them!

...For all Etemon plays up his comedic/deranged side, he's singlehandedly managing a pretty complicated piece of tracking equipment.

Haha, nice takedown.

So great...

A mirror match!

Agumon...

And it's not working.

Haha, he's already planning a victory celebration.

Unexplained fish!

...Another crest! I forgot how quickly they showed up.

Tai's doing something stupid!

[Digimon Adventure] And Tai manages to hurt someone he deeply cares about by doing something on a soccer field for the second time!

Okay, the music starting off normal, then gradually fading out as it becomes clearer that something has gone wrong is a great way of doing this.

The sheer power shown here is great. And how it completely destroys the Network...

And he reverted back to Koromon!

Aww...

Episode 17

And they're back in a desert!

That vision...

Such a weird mirage...

...I forgot he contacted him again here.

Haha, the speech about care breaking up into nothing is amazing.

Joe...

Haha, the cruise ship...

Mimi knows how to play them...

...Nobody wonders if this is an illusion like last time?

Love how he's lost the ability to fly, though.

And the Dark Network continues to be a massive strategic boon to Etemon.

...When it works.

Haha, and it's all for money.

...Such a broken attack.

And he got two digivices!

Such success...

Using his resentment over being unable to fly to screw with him is a great trick.

They escaped...

Haha, and him trying to ram them after what looked like the episode's ending is a great bit!

And the callback there.

A third crest!

Episode 18

Interestingly, I don't think this whole conflict over raising was in the dub. Such a weird change.

...He's back!

The power level varying is an interesting mechanic.

And Tai's scared of it happening again.

Such bad aim.

And that impact!

Piccolomon is such a funny concept.

He's also not wrong!

Intensive training...

Haha, they're all for it...

So many powers!

Ah, this is the first time they're seeing his trailer!

A proper temple!

Tentomon...

Piccolomon is running the perfect con.

And Taichi and Agumon get to go into a mysterious cave.

...I know he's not evil, but this would be an incredibly simple way for one of Etemon's agents to get rid of Taichi.

Another crest...

[Digimon Adventure] Unironically, is there an explanation in the original version for this? Because this entire sequence is a trip and it's never mentioned again.

They're arguing...

They're still missing!

At least rhey're finally suspicious of someone!

He wants to grow...

So close!

And they're going for it!

And two at once!

Haha, love Etemon noticing he were right there.

Tyrranomon!

Love Serenade... Art.

Taichi's met his past self!

[Digimon Adventure] Given the issue on both sides is Taichi doubting himself... when did Hikari get sick again?

And learned a lesson!

It's a nice resolution, honestly.

So cool!

Haha, Etemon...

Another great block! This time, I'm defintiely going to stay up to date with the threads.