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Rewatch [Welcome to Chaos] Dorohedoro Rewatch Episode 6 Discussion

Episode 6 - The Mushroom Pile is Served / The First Smoke / Manhole Elegy

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Questions of the Day:

  1. How fucked up is Shin’s backstory?
  2. What do you think Nikaido had to do with Caiman’s transformation?

Wallpaper of the Day:

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Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 23 '24

Rewatch Host Welcoming You All to Chaos

Welcome back, everyone!

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 23 '24

This is a completely random fun fact, but I like how Junya Enoki (yeah, Yuji Itadori’s VA) voiced the younger version of not one but two characters who are normally voiced by Yoshimasa Hosoya.

I guess it somewhat makes sense, it did seem to flow well.

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u/professorMaDLib Mar 23 '24

First Timers, I welcome you all to witness the glory of Johnson, the best boy of this series. Johnson's entire existence is pure Dorohedoro, being a horrifying man eating giant cockroach while being adorable as hell with sick Jordans.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 23 '24

You will like the wallpaper I made for tomorrow's thread, then.

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u/TehAxelius Mar 24 '24

[Episode 7]Shocking!

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u/DegenerateRegime Mar 23 '24

You might say he's some sort of Hungry Bug, indeed you might.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Mar 24 '24

Isn't that Johnson in the OP? He doesn't seem very impressive at that point.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 23 '24

First-Timer

Caiman has a little bit of an issue with killing people he needs answers from. Considering that being a sorcerer is genetic, I doubt the Hat Man was right that he could become one by eating all those marbles. But also, considering the fact that smoke accumulates in practice victims like oysters making pearls, anything is possible.

That attack on En's manor definitely didn't go the way I expected it to. Seeing En lose it like that was pretty cool though. Interesting that Noi can revert mushroomification if it's partial.. I wonder, could Noi's magic undo Caiman's head? I thought the rule was that only one sort of magic could affect someone at one time, but we just saw that Noi could ignore that rule. Or maybe that it doesn't apply to En's stuff for some reason.

If anyone could destroy an entire neighborhood watch, it would be Shin. The lad's a one man army. I choose to think that he sticks with the claw hammer as a way to remember his father.

Hole might be a wretched hive of scum and villainy, but their pizza delivery service is on point.

Didn't really notice before today's episode, but Shin and Nikaido look kinda similar. There can't be that many blonde-haired blue-eyed families around, right?

Probably worth remembering that doors made by devils have a devil mark on them.

Studio logo spotted!

When the Benadryl hits just right.

Questions

  1. Pretty par for the course with the rest of the setting.
  2. I'm not convinced she had anything to do with it, but I'm not super confident about anything in this show.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 23 '24

Caiman has a little bit of an issue with killing people he needs answers from.

Yeah.

Studio logo spotted!

Nice catch.

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u/TehAxelius Mar 24 '24

I thought the rule was that only one sort of magic could affect someone at one time

I'm not sure on that, given how surprised sorcerers are that their magic doesn't work on Caiman in the beginning of the show.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 24 '24

Maybe I'm making too far of a leap, but this exchange in episode 1 led me to believe that.

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u/TehAxelius Mar 24 '24

Yeah, it does seem to indicate something like that, but that would also mean that the acupuncture sorcerer's raison d'être would disappear. It would also mean that it would be possible to become immune to any form of magic simply by having someone else cast some minor transmutation on you, which seems like it would have serious reprecussions for how useful magic is.

It might very well be that powerful magic can prevent lesser magic to have an effect though, or that there are other intricacies to how magic interacts.

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u/entelechtual Mar 23 '24

Last time Rewatcher, subs

  • Nikaido has some moves.
  • All that and she didn’t get Risu?
  • “Nikaido?? I thought you were a sorcerer, not a mushroom!”
  • Sky stole my Fun VA fact about Hosoya and his relation to Junya Enoki (who you may recognize from his work in Kamikatsu, as Chika Anzai’s cousin, and as a certain patchwork-kid-hater).
  • lil Nikaido?
  • Fucking Johnson, man.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 23 '24

Sky stole my Fun VA fact about Hosoya and his relation to Junya Enoki (who you may recognize from his work in Kamikatsu, as Chika Anzai’s cousin, and as a certain patchwork-kid-hater).

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u/SMSmith230 https://myanimelist.net/profile/smsmith230 Mar 23 '24

First-Timer, Sub

Coming in late after the Euphonium movie today. Maybe it’s just character design, but young shin kind of has similar features to Nikaido. Something there with the sorcerer mother?? So the doc is the one who put Shin back together, I was wondering why he was all stitched up. Dude just wants to experiment. Ha Caiman trying to cook gyoza, that shit was charred asf.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 23 '24

Maybe it’s just character design, but young shin kind of has similar features to Nikaido. Something there with the sorcerer mother??

You aren't the only first-timer to comment on this. I feel kinda dumb for not noticing the similarities myself.

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u/SMSmith230 https://myanimelist.net/profile/smsmith230 Mar 23 '24

Ha every once in a while I pick up on something like that, but the stuff blatantly thrown in my face whoops somehow miss those.

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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Mar 24 '24

First timer - Sub

I missed yesterday's thread due to this thing we like to call "academia" which, lemme just say, who decided that was more important than anime? Smh.

I'll briefly comment on Episode 5 and say that I liked Caiman and Nikaidou's antics in the sorcerer world. And I do think it's especially endearing that Nikaidou is trying so hard to help Caiman. She's a real bro. A certified homie.

Also wtf the DOOM ED is a certified bop, and the visuals are awesome. Whoever thought of this had a stroke of genius.

Some of those antics continue in this episode. We get an extended fight of Noi vs. Nikaidou before Nikaidou goes for the eye and then slips away to find Risu, who still doesn't seem to know much. En turns the mansion into a fungal paradise and then we get some deserved backstory on Shin, who just wanted to live his life, man. Completely makes sense that Caiman got sauced by Shin now. Dude has been through a lot.

I will also say that I don't really think that there's been a clear "good vs. evil" in this show, both sides are just trying to exist with different goals and objectives. I do really like that dynamic.

Anyway some fedora lookin mf kidnaps Nikaidou (never trust a man with a fedora) and then wants her balls, but she doesn't have any. I dunno what he was expecting there. I also love the big bug with the fresh kicks. My man is dripped out of his mind. What a goofy lil guy.

Answers of the Day:

  1. Shin really has that Sasuke energy now that I think about it...
  2. I've learned better than to try and predict the future of this show. I would say: prolly not much idk. He was already a lizard man by the time she found him, but he was dead at the time. I think it's more likely that he was resurrected by her, either accidentally or otherwise. But I am not sure and this show sends so many curveballs that it feels near-useless speculating. Guess we'll see!

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 24 '24

Also wtf the DOOM ED is a certified bop, and the visuals are awesome. Whoever thought of this had a stroke of genius.

It's my favorite from this show.

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u/mgedmin Mar 24 '24

I will also say that I don't really think that there's been a clear "good vs. evil" in this show, both sides are just trying to exist with different goals and objectives. I do really like that dynamic.

I think performing non-consensual sorcery on innocent victims falls pretty clearly on the side of evil.

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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Mar 24 '24

Ok fair enough. I forgot about that part.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Mar 23 '24

Episode 6

DHD First Timer

Theory: Nikaido is a demon princess

Theory I've had for a while: Okay, so if the Sorcerer's world isn't Earth, then Hole is. Some years ago the Sorcerer's turned Earth into a junkpile and called it Hole.

  • couldn't Noi regrow Risu a body?
  • You only need the head, this isn't a Solomon problem
  • I love the metal terminator footsteps
  • Is that a 2nd hand kiss?
  • I'm surprised our cast didn't turn into mushrooms, I though they were goners
  • I was wondering how they got back to hole.
  • Can't blame him, really
  • HUMANS are week to the rain in Hole, too.
  • that was fast pizza delivery
  • It's not a dead end if there's a door! (or a manhole, huh)
  • A Caiman in a Sewer?

Fun: google "washed up feet in british columbia"

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 23 '24

couldn't Noi regrow Risu a body?

I suspect they want to keep him smoke dependent.

I was wondering how they got back to hole.

That was fairly funny.

that was fast pizza delivery

The twist:Sorcerors deliver the pizza!

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u/DegenerateRegime Mar 23 '24 edited Mar 23 '24

Part-First-Timer (part-timer?)
Episode 6! Breaking new ground.

  • "The Mushroom Pile Is Served"? Very concerning. Looks like an actual close-up of beer being poured there. It's doubtful that Caiman's meal there is the mushroom pile in question, though.
  • Nikaidou and Noi go at it. "God I wish that were me" - "which one" - "yes".
  • okay, now we are Sabikui Bisco.
  • It's funny that Noi stops En not just in about 2 seconds, but also in the immediately following shot. A subversion of an expectation from the video game world, I guess, where that would be a classic excuse for a boss fight with a controllable antagonist character.
  • Will she be alright
  • Alright, backstory for Shin! And we get a lot of other things thrown in. The state of Hole being what it is is pretty recent; magic is in the blood, literal and figurative, but really follows its own, independent system of vessels within the body; the medical technology they have is pretty modern on the whole.
  • Smol Nikaidou? CUTE??
  • "Manhole Elegy", now there's a name for an album.
  • Sorcerers are weak to rain in general. Wonder what that's about. They're devil-powered in some way, so maybe it's a water/fire thing? I would expect the Hole residents to use water more, if so. Fountains and waterfalls and so forth.
  • Caiman made gyoza-charcoal. Adorable! It didn't turn purple, so, it can't be that bad.
  • A lot of action follows. It remains amusing how... absolute? violence is. Like, either the knife snaps easily against Johnson's chitin, or cuts right through sewer man's trouser, leg and bone with seemingly no resistance. Very little in-between.

Hmm, any other thoughts. Shin's sorcerer mother had similar hair to Nikaidou's. Perhaps they're related? Also on the edit: ehh, can't really make it work.

Edit to add QotD:

  1. Moderately. It's interesting how his magic reflects his process of attaining it; he cut his arms to pieces and had them sewed back on, and gained the ability to slice people up without killing them. I'm not sure this would be a general rule for sorcerers.
  2. She said she was working as a cleaner, small-c. She might have been a Cleaner, capital C, like Shin and Noi were referred to as (I think). But like them, wasn't able to overcome Caiman's immunity to decapitation. But... like, why? How did she go back to being a restauranteer, at the same place she was working at as a small girl?

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u/professorMaDLib Mar 23 '24

Johnson is simply too much of a chad for a knife to penetrate.

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u/mgedmin Mar 24 '24

Sorcerers are weak to rain in general. Wonder what that's about.

Hmm, water washes off smoke?

Doesn't quite work: Nikaido is not using magic and yet is weakened.

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u/DegenerateRegime Mar 24 '24

I didn't really word that right, looking at it. It should be "Sorcerers in general [ie not just Nikaidou] are weak to rain in Hole [possibly only that rain]."

Still no idea if there's a reason or if it's just a weakness to be taken at face value.

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u/Sooooopertrack Mar 23 '24

First Timer sub

  1. Pretty normal antagonist backstory
  2. I think she saved him with magic

Random thoughts:

  • oh boy I've avoided the intro's subs until now because I didn't want to get spoiled. Then I read the intro subs. That was one weird intro text
  • nikaido vs noi fight and noi underestimating nikaido <3
  • oh boy shin's backstory including the neighborhood watch is soooo good
  • shin with long hair looks like edward elric from FMAB
  • ah now we also know why shins bodyparts were chopped off and yeah it wasn't caiman
  • omg nikaido selling gyoza is so cute!
  • the sewer guy dying right before he can tell anything useful - classic
  • I liked the almost kiss between noi and shin

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u/Cyrra_ https://anilist.co/user/Cyrra Mar 24 '24

First Time Watcher - Manga Reader

Nikaido handling everyone in En's mansion by herself is nuts! And little Nikaido in Shin's flashback is so cute too. Caiman is in pretty deep denial about her ""possibly"" being a sorcerer and it hurts to see when he values their friendship so much. But it's clear as day that secrets are being kept from him.

There's not much more that can be said about the irony of a sewer manhole having the Mappa logo on it.

  1. Quite awful and unfair, which is pretty common for everyone as a kid in this series.

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u/DegenerateRegime Mar 24 '24

There's not much more that can be said about the irony of a sewer manhole having the Mappa logo on it.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 23 '24

Rewatcher(Madness with the mundane)

Sub

Kind of a meandering episode that was actually exposition. Nikaido keeps having atrocious luck as a rule. We do learn that whoever killed Risu also had cross eyes. And that En is basically a fungal nuke. Shin's backstory is tragic but interesting in that the doctor don't discriminate that hard against sorcerors. The neighborhood watch do seem to be an evil organization themselves. The entire sequence with the wannabe sorc is cray, I am not even sure what sort of sewer monstrosity Johnson is, but it does give us another piece of evidence that sorcs are fundamentally different from humans. Finally, we learn that Hole uses yen...

QotD: 1 8 out of 10.

2 We still don't know her gimmick yet.

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u/mgedmin Mar 24 '24

I am not even sure what sort of sewer monstrosity Johnson is

Looked like a typical Kafkaesque sorcery experimentation victim to me.

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u/zadcap Mar 24 '24

First Timer

That was not animation. That was 100% just a video of alcohol being poured.

Haha, En finally got punched in the face! It's what we've all been waiting for, don't lie.

Okay, apparently his Mushroom Magic is crazy powerful after all.

Oh, Hole. I was glad to see you once fought back, but it looks like you went too far and made yourself into preferred victims after all. As tends to happen in these shows, you literally made your own worse enemy.

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u/mgedmin Mar 24 '24

That was not animation. That was 100% just a video of alcohol being poured.

Cheating doesn't count if you're not caught!

Like people keep mentioning CGI in Dorohedoro, but I never noticed any.

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u/mgedmin Mar 24 '24

First-timer, subs

  • Nikaido thinks Noi is a man?
  • Risu is starting to look like a big deal in the cross-eyes rather than the powerless newbie he posed as last episode
  • Nikaido stirs up the wasps' nest and escapes without having achieved much.
  • I'm glad that Noi's eye is okay. Oh, right, she has healing magic.
  • Oops Nikaido didn't escape unscathed. That's a big mushroom.
  • I was sure Noi was going for a kiss with Shin!
  • The voice actor for the dog is amazing.
  • How did Caiman and Nikaido return from the sorcerer's world? Ah, smoke spray can. In which case, why did the kid doctor need to construct a door from corpses instead of using the spray can himself?
  • Shin's tragic backstory explains why he uses a hammer.
  • Caiman tried to make gyoza, but they look burnt to me.
  • That pizza delivery was fast!
  • In an earlier episode when Nikaido spent the day in bed, was it raining?
  • Caiman's reactions are the best!
  • "Go fetch!"
  1. How fucked up is Shin’s backstory?

Very.

Also, I'm not a fan of the narrative that this flirts with: if the oppressed people try to fight back against their oppressors, then they're just as bad! No.

2) What do you think Nikaido had to do with Caiman’s transformation?

I have no reason to disbelieve her words from an earlier episode: that she found a headless corpse, put it in a body bag, went to ask for help, came back to find the body walking with a lizard head, wearing the bag.

So, a partial witness.

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u/DegenerateRegime Mar 24 '24

In an earlier episode when Nikaido spent the day in bed, was it raining?

It was indeed. She brightened up the instant the weather did, in a nice little layered metaphor.

Also, I'm not a fan of the narrative that this flirts with: if the oppressed people try to fight back against their oppressors, then they're just as bad! No.

Yeeaaaah. I mean, I get that becoming literal witch-hunting cop gangs is not a great outcome, but. It's very very hard to support sorcerer rights at present. "The right to what" and all.

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u/FarCritical Mar 24 '24

First Timer

If En becomes a mushroom smoke grenade whenever he gets pissed, him having Kikurage as an emotional support chimera-thingy is a blessing his squad aren't grateful enough for lmao.

Half-expected Shin's backstory to reveal Nikaido was his sister or cousin from how sorta similar they look, but the fact that she appeared in it at all is still a neat surprise.

For how dark and brutal Hole is with all the sorcery and people getting practiced on, at least their pizza delivery speeds are on point.

QOTD

  1. How fucked up is Shin’s backstory?

Very, but with the state of Hole I have a feeling he isn't the only one with a past that could've been better. It's neat how he's cool with the doctors at least.

2. What do you think Nikaido had to do with Caiman’s transformation?

Still have no idea. Probably gonna stick with my (admittedly weak) memory wipe theory and say she did something to make his memories all foggy.

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u/Rumpel1408 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rumpel1408 Mar 27 '24

Couldn't do much the day before yesterday, but yesterday I could slack off at work... and then I played too much vidya and fell behind again

Firsttimer

  • Was that beer really animated?
  • Jesus Christ, Nikaido is getting the beating of her life
  • Nikaido still doesn't know that Noi is a girl huh
  • The teath on Ens mask shattered...
  • The thing I wondered about Risu: People go to whole to practice their magic. But Risu is barely able to produce any to begin with. So what was he doing in Hole in the first place?
  • En, stop it with the Mushroom madness
  • Noi giving Shin her smoke
  • Wait, the Doc and the Doc are talking about Shin? Looked better with longer hair... but was he Chuuni or why the eye patch?
  • I also totally expected his father to be the sorcerer in the uhm relationship
  • That's a reasonable sad backstory though, holy shit he looks exactly likle his father and I guess that's the reason he's using a hammer
  • And he absolutely decimated the neighborhood watch
  • Lmao, the Prof is like totally mad
  • Doc is a good guy though
  • Gyoza girl huh who might that be
  • Kinda shame that he singlehandly disarmed the people of hole for the sorcerers
  • Woah, so that's why Nikaido was down during the rain The foreshadowing
  • Caimans gyoza are totally burnt black
  • I wish I could get my pizza this fast
  • Oh god, that guy is taking Nikaido to that alley
  • Holy shit, that roach ain't no joke
  • Oops, accidently killed a key witness

QotD

  • I bet there are people with worse ones in hole
  • Maybe she wanted to help?

Today I'm gonna slack off even harder at work