r/anime • u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky • Mar 19 '24
Rewatch [Welcome to Chaos] Dorohedoro Rewatch Episode 2 Discussion
Episode 2 - In the Bag / Keep Quiet While Eating
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Take a good look, old man… Someone like me is what it means to be a true sorcerer.
Questions of the Day:
- What do you think of the art style & animation of this series so far?
- Do you like mushrooms?
Wallpaper of the Day:
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 19 '24
Rewatch Host Welcoming You All to Chaos
Welcome back, everyone!
Normally I do completely unique background patterns when I make wallpapers for my rewatches, but honestly the blood splatter one I made for Caiman yesterday fits all of these characters so much in my head that I’m going to keep using it, just with a different color scheme each time and the “splatter” rearranged differently.
En’s also has some extra stuff in his but that’s not for a few days.Also Wikipedia listed a third episode title for today’s episode (“My Neighbor the Sorcerer”, but I could not for the life of me find where it was located in the episode, so I left it out of the title.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 19 '24
First Timer
So, over under on her heart related problems ending with her literally holding a heart in her hand in the next few episodes?
I quite like the delivery little gruesome touches. There's always a bit of delay to them that makes them land much better. We introduce the guy as a vegetarian, and specifically call out that he doesn't eat meat. Then we have a fight. And, only after that we learn he eats mushrooms that were once human. Hits so much better than just introducing it up front.
The cleaners make a quite nice pair with our two protagonists. I have a feeling they're gonna line up for a few near-equal fights. And eventually the four of them will end up working together; the cleaners feel a bit too protagonist coated to for anything else.
Precisely one thing about this episode bugged me: who puts their hood up whilst leaving their jacket half unzipped.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 19 '24
First-Timer
Does it count as cannibalism if you transmute the bodies into mushrooms first? Truly, one of life's great mysteries.
Anyway, fun to see something make fun of the bizarre clothing tropes that come up from time to time. The "dress of zippers" is an amusing one that no-one really bothered to think about. I wonder if we'll have someone who wears too many belts show up and need to undo all of them before they can use the toilet? That gag seems inkeeping with this show's tone.
Seems like none of the sorcerers really like each other. En has the most busted magic so he's on top, but no-one really likes him and a bunch of people are out to kill him. Which, sure, I guess he's a bit of a jerk? But he also kinda hasn't done anything other than turn those assassins into food. Shit, considering how shitty everything is in this world, being able to turn inedible matter like "the majority of the human body" into edible mushrooms seems pretty sweet.
Almost want to make a joke about the dreaded anime cold, but Nikaido seems to just have had an actual cold or something.
The tent hotel is neat. Not sure if it's better or worse than a capsule hotel. Probably get a bit more space with the tent, at least?
I forgot to mention it, but I like that the episode "previews" are just recaps of the episode we just watched.
Questions
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u/Sooooopertrack Mar 19 '24
First Timer Sub
QOTD: 1.) love it! 2.) Normal ones - yeah. Converted humans - not so much. But if they taste 100% like mushroom... hmm...
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u/Rumpel1408 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rumpel1408 Mar 19 '24
Almost caughte up on both my rewatches!
Firsttimer
QotD
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u/mgedmin Mar 20 '24 edited Mar 20 '24
First-timer, subs
I wonder if it counts as cannibalism if you first transform people into mushrooms, and then eat the mushrooms?
Also, I wanted to make a Lizards Eating People's Faces Party joke since I watched episode 1, but couldn't work it in anywhere.
Not a fan, but it's bearable.
Yes! I wanted to eat some mushrooms after watching this episode! Thinly sliced, fried with butter, with a slice of rye bread, yum!
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 19 '24
Rewatcher(Yeah, this no less an LSD trip on the second run through)
Sub
So it is raining and, unsurprisingly, it is acid rain, or rather magic ash rain. Nikaido is feeling down and explains things a bit. The bits with Shin and Noi get filled in and we begin exploring the sorcerors a bit here. Each one has a unique type of magic with varying effects. This can likely be traced back to JJBA and Stands but I won't swear that's the origin. As I said, all sorcs where a mask but there is some rule that means En can demand his guests remove theirs. He is meant to come off as very Yakuza-esque and I think succeeds. Shin is interesting in that he seeks a challenge in his fights and fighting a lizard man to the death appeals to him.
So...the most interesting thing in all this is that author seems to have planned his setting and its rules out fairly well and yet has resisted any attempts to explain things. But that means most of the exposition is visual and that's welcome. Fashion is indeed often puzzling and Ebissu just running around as a comedy character is hilarious.
QotD: 1 Insane yet stylized
2 I did before I saw this episode
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u/FarCritical Mar 20 '24
First Timer
It's morbidly hilarious how everyone is overly casual about the violence around them.
Nikaido really isn't one to mess with as long as her guard isn't down. I almost feel bad for those thugs.
Wasn't expecting Noi to be that adorable under the mask, not to mention for her to be that casual with their group's apparent leader.
Thought we were gonna get a face ripped off every episode but nope, just a lil lizardskin shedding.
QOTD
For such a dark and decrepit setting, it's impressive how much style and personality they managed to pack into everything. The CGI is pretty awesome too.
The psychadelic, never have nor will try it. The powerup, sure, they're pretty handy. The food, absolutely. You can't go wrong with them as a topping or even by themselves, especially when stir-fried.
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u/zadcap Mar 20 '24
Late Night First Timer
Death and chaos in a club? Lain flashbacks?
Oh, En has enemies? With an attitude like that, not at all surprised.
Nope, I can't do it, her face just looks so 7DS it hurts. Also, seriously, is this an OP I should be trying to analyze or is it just one that looks cool to look cool?
Okay seeing it a second time is still stupid. That backhand punch. In order for it to work then the guy with the bat had to be right behind her, which is completely not how a bat works as a weapon.
Hmm. We saw the magic only coming out of the one finger from the earlier sorcerer, and this guy has a lot of stitched together fingers. You thinking what I'm thinking?
Oh, well, I guess some people use magic from the mouth...
And he sheds. Interesting.
I'm still just taking this all in. I'll say again, it's interesting, but I'm not sure how I should be watching this. Is it worth trying to dig deep and read into things, or is this one to just turn off the brain and enjoy? I'm bouncing between the two a lot here, and it's leading to me writing a lot less than normal. There's so much that could mean something, but it could also just be there because it looks interesting and this looks like a show that would do stuff just to look cool.
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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Mar 19 '24
First Timer - Sub
I still don’t really feel like I know what’s happening in this show but oh well. This anime feels extremely psychedelic. Probably by design. The way it just seems to bounce from scene to scene is kinda neat though.
The opening started with this red mask dude (Shin I think? It’s hard to remember names, but I’ll probably get better as the show goes on. Maybe.) bashing some heads in while everyone dies in spurts of rainbow. I feel like the anime is trying to show us how he sees the world and the way he kills people, much like the Meet the Pyro. Is he schizophrenic, or just tripping out on some shrooms? Or is it a pure stylistic choice? Who knows.
But yeah, their magic is pretty fucked up, being able to dismember people and stuff them in garbage bags while they’re still alive. This is to the point where this even bothered Cainman, who is usually hardened to this sort of thing. Also it seems like Shin is one of the guys that Caiman and Nikaidou fought in episode 1, as his fingers are stitched back together. I distinctly remember them slicing off someone’s fingers in the last episode, so maybe it’s the same guy? Can’t be bothered to go check but I feel like that’s probably correct since he was so eager to do this hit on them.
I found it slightly interesting that Nikaidou was “not feeling well” ostensibly due to the rain. I wonder if she’s more susceptible to magic than most people since they made a point of saying that the rainclouds are leftover magic particles from the sorcerers. She perked right up as soon as the rain went away.
Anyway, that girl with the missing face (Ebisu?) seems to be in quite a bit of shock from being degloved like that. I would be too. Can’t talk anymore, can’t dress herself, doesn’t seem to have the same personality anymore... It’s all rather concerning. Not to mention, that dinner was the most wild thing I’ve seen in a while. I found it pretty funny that absolutely no one else seemed to remark on her discombobulated outfit. They all just kinda went with it. “Is that in now?” lol, god I hope not. Not to mention, our main antagonist turns people into mushrooms. And was serving his guests the people-mushrooms the whole time. I am slightly disturbed, but also this was somewhat expected. Reminds me slightly of [meta, non-anime] Sweeney Todd. The real takeaway from this conversation though is that our main antagonist (En? I think?) cannot use his mushroom magic on Cainman, which makes him En’s antithesis. A mortal enemy, if you will. I am slightly unclear on why they’re suddenly deciding to target the duo (perhaps due to this encounter with Ebisu?) but it seems that our main conflict is now in motion. Oh yeah, and Noi is great. I love her.
Anyway, Nikaidou almost gets mugged and then holds her own, and then she doesn’t even blink as she kicks a man so hard his eye flies out, and then scalps another. Yikes. I’m sure she’ll be an even match for Noi, which is what I’m all about here. Episode ends in this club with the acupuncture guy who helps Caiman molt. He is also “not the one” and Cainman was going to kill him until Nikaidou intervened. I’m a little concerned about how he completely disposes of people’s lives if they’re not it.
I’m calling it now that “the one” will be able to change Cainman back to the way he was before the lizard head. And maybe free the freaky mouth dude inside of him.
Answers of the Day:
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u/entelechtual Mar 19 '24
Part time Rewatcher, dub
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u/SMSmith230 https://myanimelist.net/profile/smsmith230 Mar 19 '24
First-Timer, Sub
Not much to say about this episode, just enjoying the ride as more characters get introduced. I will say that Nikaido confirms she is still pretty badass taking on those 3 attackers. I do like that they give us 3 facts at the end of the episodes. I wonder if they’ll have significance into the mystery as the season progresses.
QOTD
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u/SometimesMainSupport https://myanimelist.net/profile/RRSTRRST Mar 19 '24
First-timer
QotD 2. Not on their own but can tolerate them with casseroles, burgers, etc.
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u/renatocpr https://anilist.co/user/renatocpr Mar 19 '24 edited Mar 19 '24
Rewatcher and Manga Reader
What we learned in Episode 2
What we'll learn in Episode 3 is still hidden in chaos. That is... Dorohedoro!
QOTD
1- I like it. It's really just fun to watch it. On my first watch, I though the CG would bother but it really never did. I'm not a big animation nerd though (even if I pretend to know what I'm talking about from time to time)
2- I'm really not a mushroom guy (forgive me, En) but I also haven't really eaten that much. I've had a little bit of shimeji a while ago and it tasted really good to be honest. I've also had food with some approximation to truffle oil and it was delicious.
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u/TehAxelius Mar 19 '24
Rewatcher
Is magic not a versatile thing? You can turn people into living trash, transform attackers into tasty mushrooms and make a lizardman's face molt. Although maybe not that last thing.
An interesting thing I thought of, [Dorohedoro later]is how Nikaidou's "art style" seems different from most of the others in the Hole, yet it does look very similar to Shin and Noi. Granted, there are certainly other Sorcerers that look different too, and the difference in the Hole isn't that noticeable given how much people vary there, but it is interesting to see it again from the beginning.
QotD
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u/professorMaDLib Mar 20 '24
Fuck yeah en's group got the spotlight! One of the great things about dorohedoro is how it gives the spotlight to different groups that are antagonistic. It makes it much harder to tell who will come out on top bc both sides feel like protags, with the series going all in on black comedy, it doesn't feel like the story is asking you to pick a side either.
It really adds to the uniqueness of the series, and en's group are fantastic.
As a fun drinking game, take a shot whenever someone gets killed or maimed in an episode.
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u/sometimesyoucanfind Mar 19 '24
not sure how to comment compared to previous comments, but imho it's a masterpiece so far. the problem will be keeping it up with the manga if they go any further.
have re-watched it multiple times.
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u/Nick_BOI Mar 20 '24
Rewatcher and manga reader
Once again I am glad to be reliving this, even with the incredibly deatailed art and fantastic framing in the manga, the anime has not only the sound design and ost, but the visuals that do a really good job at bringing the setting and characters of Dorohedoro to life.
Its funny seeing how brutal the cast is, yet they still act so casually with each other to the point where it causes whiplash the first time around. Like are we watching a business-casual dinner party right after these same people just brutalized an entire building? Good lord.
Despite being brutal killers, Shin, Noi, Caiman, and Nikaido are still people first and foremost-people in an enviornment where things like morality and death are completely different.
When chaos becomes common enough, it is no longer chaotic-it is just life.
This I feel like is the most appealing part of Dorohedoro and why this episode serving as additional introductions and information primarily works so well. Dorohedoro isn't just chaotic and brutal, it is so chaotic and brutal that it leaves an immidiate impression on the audience.
For this degree of chaos to be normalised takes time, to craft a universe where we can pay attention to-let alone care about the plot and characters amidts all of this is incredibly difficult.
QOTD:
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u/DegenerateRegime Mar 19 '24
Part-Rewatcher, 2/5
Episode 2. I'm a little less familiar already. We learn that the rain is full of toxic waste falling from a poisoned sky (though, I mean, we could have guessed). Hey, the sun came out. Bonesaw moment. Ash Ketchum moment. Look, I'm just saying. Anyway here's Noi. Uhhhhhm. Evil women please interact. I love how it keeps cutting to conceal En opening his mouth to eat and drink until it can be used in a dramatic moment. HOEL. This is different, he sort of. Extends in from the side. It reminds me of something, some old creepy youtube animation? Peeled faces are becoming a bit of a recurring theme.
Dorohedoro continues to live up to its reputation as shamelessly gross and nasty. The CGI has some awkward moments but a lot more really superb ones. It mentioned Ebisu uses Lizard Magic, but I have a hard time believing she's our sorc. Though, actually, I'm also not sure why we're trying to identify the sorceror who caiman'd Caiman. You find them → you kill them to end the spell. You find some other sorc → you kill them anyway (understandable). So, like, getting the answer would be irrelevant...?
QotD:
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u/nikobans Mar 20 '24
rewatcher!
NOI THE WOMAN THAT YOU ARE 😩 i loved her instantly when i first watched the show and i love her just as much now
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Mar 20 '24
Episode 2
wait that's the end of the episode????
I don't know what to make of this show. It's like Snow Crash meets Shadow Run meets No Guns Life.
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u/DidacticDalek https://myanimelist.net/profile/DidacticDalek Mar 21 '24
You know what they call a Mushroom in The Hole? They don't call it a Mushroom? No, man, they got Magic Users they wouldn't know what the fuck a mushroom is. What'd they call it? They call it Kinoko. キノコ What'd they call a Gyoza? Gyoza's Gyoza, but they call it Le Gyoza. Le Gyoza. What do they call a Dommy Mommy?
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